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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2019, 10:36:41 AM »
FWIW, tiebreakers:

In a two-team tie the tiebreaker is H2H. 

In a multiple-team tie, the following steps are used with the stipulation that if only two teams remain after any step (or sub-step), the H2H winner between those two wins:
1)  H2H...2H
2)  Divisional Record
3)  Record against the next highest placed team(s) in the division, then the next, then the next, etc
4)  Record against all common conference opponents
5)  SOS as determined by cumulative winning percentage of non-divisional opponents
6)  Record against the best team(s) in the other division (note that for this step, 1-0 is better than 0-0)
7)  Overall record not including games against FCS teams
8)  Random Draw
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LittlePig

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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2019, 04:19:22 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on May 22, 2019, 10:36:41 AM
FWIW, tiebreakers:

In a two-team tie the tiebreaker is H2H. 

In a multiple-team tie, the following steps are used with the stipulation that if only two teams remain after any step (or sub-step), the H2H winner between those two wins:
1)  H2H...2H
2)  Divisional Record
3)  Record against the next highest placed team(s) in the division, then the next, then the next, etc
4)  Record against all common conference opponents
5)  SOS as determined by cumulative winning percentage of non-divisional opponents
6)  Record against the best team(s) in the other division (note that for this step, 1-0 is better than 0-0)
7)  Overall record not including games against FCS teams
8)  Random Draw

All tiebreakers which can't really in any fair way break a tie between 3 teams that finished 11-1. 

It would then come to SOS based on the records of the cross-division opponents,  which is I guess is one way to break the the tie when there is no real fair way to break it.  Better than flipping a coin,  I guess.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2019, 04:41:25 PM »
Don’t know if they’ll dethrone Wisconsin, but I can definitely see Nebraska making a big jump in year 2 under Scott Frost.
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LittlePig

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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2019, 02:27:22 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 04:41:25 PM
Don’t know if they’ll dethrone Wisconsin, but I can definitely see Nebraska making a big jump in year 2 under Scott Frost.

Interesting that you think its Wisconsin that needs to be dethroned and not Northwestern. 
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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2019, 11:50:38 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 26, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Interesting that you think its Wisconsin that needs to be dethroned and not Northwestern.
I get that Northwestern won (by three games no less) last year, but here are UW's finishes in the five years of the B1G-W's existence:
 - 5-4, tied for second place, three games back in 2018
 - 9-0, first, two games ahead of second in 2017
 - 7-2, first, a game ahead of second in 2016
 - 6-2, tied for second place, two games back in 2015
 - 7-1, first, two games ahead of second in 2014

So in five years of B1G-W play, Wisconsin has three B1G-W Championships and on two of those occasions they were two games out.  The two years that Wisconsin didn't win the B1G-W they finished second both times.  At least for the time being, they are team to be "dethroned" in the B1G-W. 

Cumulative Conference Records in the B1G-E/B1G-W era:
Team2014W2014L2015W2015L2016W2016L2017W2017L2018W2018LCum-WCum-L
Ohio State8071818181394
Wisconsin7162729054349
Michigan35627254812914
Northwestern35625472812914
Penn State26448172632716
Iowa44806345542716
Michigan State71711872542716
Nebraska53356336362023
Minnesota53265427361726
Purdue17171845541231
Indiana17264527271132
Maryland44173627361330
Illinois3526270927934
Rutgers3517093609736
Total56565656636363636363301301
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2019, 02:56:54 PM »
Oh I get that Wisconsin has dominated the west since it was formed, but it's good to see that the numbers back up what we were all assuming.

But by that measure, it will take more than one year for Nebraska to "dethrone"  Wisconsin.  Nebraska could go 9-0 this year and they still wouldn't dethrone Wisconsin as the King of the West.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2019, 03:01:05 PM »
Yup, Nebraska could "dethrone" NW, but not Wisconsin, oddly enough.

Nebraska is one of the teams on my "watch list" this season as a team "of interest".

Syracuse is as well, and no doubt some more.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2019, 03:16:56 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 28, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
Oh I get that Wisconsin has dominated the west since it was formed, but it's good to see that the numbers back up what we were all assuming.

But by that measure, it will take more than one year for Nebraska to "dethrone"  Wisconsin.  Nebraska could go 9-0 this year and they still wouldn't dethrone Wisconsin as the King of the West.
I just want the win over the Badgers in Lincoln this season, they can keep the "throne" for another year or two
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2019, 03:21:19 PM »
Purdue remains interesting, I think, and I suspect they will upend someone unexpectedly, while perhaps being 7-5 or 6-6.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2019, 03:32:58 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 28, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
Oh I get that Wisconsin has dominated the west since it was formed, but it's good to see that the numbers back up what we were all assuming.

But by that measure, it will take more than one year for Nebraska to "dethrone"  Wisconsin.  Nebraska could go 9-0 this year and they still wouldn't dethrone Wisconsin as the King of the West.

It is interesting to me that most of the difference in the 2014-2018 figure is attributable to the second place (and lower) teams having at least one really bad year. 

In the B1G-W:
Wisconsin (34-9) leads Northwestern (29-14) by five games.  The Badgers lead Iowa (27-16) by seven games.  Most of that lead is because Wisconsin's worst season was a not-that-bad 5-4 in 2018 while Northwestern went 3-5 in 2014. 

In the B1G-E:
Ohio State (39-4) leads Michigan (29-14) by ten games.  The Buckeyes lead Penn State and Michigan State (both 27-16) by 12 games.  Most of that is because Ohio State's worst record was 7-1 in 2015 while Michigan (3-5 in 2014), Penn State (2-6 in 2014), and Michigan State (1-8 in 2016) all had MUCH worse worst seasons. 
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2019, 06:55:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
Purdue remains interesting, I think, and I suspect they will upend someone unexpectedly, while perhaps being 7-5 or 6-6.
I'm trying to discern whether Vegas will give us an O/U on 6.5 wins or 7.5 wins.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2019, 08:40:23 PM »
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2019, 08:08:39 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on May 28, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
It is interesting to me that most of the difference in the 2014-2018 figure is attributable to the second place (and lower) teams having at least one really bad year. 

In the B1G-W:
Wisconsin (34-9) leads Northwestern (29-14) by five games.  The Badgers lead Iowa (27-16) by seven games.  Most of that lead is because Wisconsin's worst season was a not-that-bad 5-4 in 2018 while Northwestern went 3-5 in 2014. 

In the B1G-E:
Ohio State (39-4) leads Michigan (29-14) by ten games.  The Buckeyes lead Penn State and Michigan State (both 27-16) by 12 games.  Most of that is because Ohio State's worst record was 7-1 in 2015 while Michigan (3-5 in 2014), Penn State (2-6 in 2014), and Michigan State (1-8 in 2016) all had MUCH worse worst seasons. 

There seems to be a lot of parallels between the East and West divisions

Each has 1 team totally dominating, winning 3 out of 5 divisions, and never finishing worse than second.

Both have 2 other teams that have won the division once.

Both have a traditional power that has not been able to win a division yet.
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Re: 2019 B1G-W Race
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2019, 08:30:04 AM »
I do not like talking about this because it reminds me UW mostly has room to fall. 

I hope the Badgers are good enough to hold that throne again.
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