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bayareabadger

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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2019, 08:56:04 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 08:23:54 AM
I don't think an Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama puts much stock in the CotY award.  It does seem like something for middle of the pack.


The think is, I don’t think anyone really does. We argue about it because it’s fun, but we all know it basically is a one-year narrative measure. (Granted, a lot of things can probably impact one-year narrative measures in other ways).
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2019, 09:16:23 AM »
Yeah, I think it's an OK award for a coach who brought his team up from 4-8 to 8-4 or something, a Northwestern or Purdue.

It may overlook a coach who has done a great job building a program from the ground up over 5 years.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2019, 01:25:26 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 26, 2019, 08:54:31 AM
You best hope Frost wins it once. If it doesn’t, it means Neb likely never made the jump back up. (I guess Bo had his thunder stollen by Leach/Stoops when his team got 9 wins the first time, so maybe not)
There are two ways that Frost could succeed at Nebraska and not win any COTY awards:
 - 1)  What you mentioned, he has a big jump year but some cellar-dweller has a larger jump as you mentioned, or
 - 2)  Frost's Nebraska teams improve more incrementally so that by the time he has that 11-2, 12-1, or 13-0 B1G Championship year it isn't THAT big of a jump from the previous year's 8-4, 9-3, or 10-2.  

All-in-all, I don't think looking for COTY awards is a good way to determine if a team made a jump back up.  
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2019, 01:30:43 PM »
Maybe a program with frequent CotY winners is simply one that is up and down, but never that far up really.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2019, 01:42:24 PM »
Hey, I'm all for Frosty putting the freeze on the West this season and shocking the B1G and winning the award with a great record and all, but if he does all that and the award goes to the Maryland coach, I'm fine with that.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2019, 03:14:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 26, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
Hey, I'm all for Frosty putting the freeze on the West this season and shocking the B1G and winning the award with a great record and all, but if he does all that and the award goes to the Maryland coach, I'm fine with that.
I can see it now. Frost wins the B1G CCG over a 12-0 Rutgers team whose coach wins B1G COTY...
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2019, 04:56:04 PM »
If Rutger goes 12-0 .... we're talking national.

I wonder what the largest turnaround is in P5 history.  Ohio State did 6-7 to 12-0.  Baylor did something.

Da Braves went wurst to first.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2019, 05:05:57 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 26, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
I can see it now. Frost wins the B1G CCG over a 12-0 Rutgers team whose coach wins B1G COTY...
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #92 on: June 26, 2019, 09:30:20 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 04:56:04 PM
If Rutger goes 12-0 .... we're talking national.

I wonder what the largest turnaround is in P5 history.  Ohio State did 6-7 to 12-0.  Baylor did something.

Da Braves went wurst to first.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/745281-college-football-worst-to-first-the-biggest-one-year-turnarounds-in-history#slide5
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2019, 12:16:54 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 25, 2019, 05:40:03 PM
It should always go to the schools that don't have much else to play for. The Indianas, Purdues, and Michigans of the world.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2019, 07:57:34 AM »
At times, there is a rather slim margin between 4-8 and 8-4, a field goal here, a fumble there, a tipped pass over yonder.

You might also miss playing the powers in the other division one year and sneak away with an upset.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2019, 02:42:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 07:57:34 AM
At times, there is a rather slim margin between 4-8 and 8-4, a field goal here, a fumble there, a tipped pass over yonder.

You might also miss playing the powers in the other division one year and sneak away with an upset.
Also schedule as we were discussing in your thread about HFA.  I believe that Purdue's vs Nebraska's schedules could be the difference between 4-8 and 8-4 for a mediocre team.  
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #96 on: June 27, 2019, 02:59:20 PM »
See the difference between MSU's 3-9 2016, 10-3 2017 and 7-5 2018.

The locker room issues maybe caused 5-7 to become 3-9, but 2016 and 2018 featured a ton of injuries to a thin roster, and some close losses.  2017 was perhaps the healthiest I can recall a team being all year, and they won the close ones with the exception of Northwestern.  I don't think the gap between any of those 3 teams was very large at all, but it resulted in a 7 win improvement.  I actually think 7-5 is probably about what all three teams should have gone.
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Re: 2019 B1G-E Race
« Reply #97 on: June 27, 2019, 03:07:28 PM »
Yeah, this impacts teams that are middle of the road or somewhat above that, I agree, the most.  Kentucky last year comes to mind a bit, though they did beat Florida on the road.  The lost at A&M in OT then edged Vandy and Mizzou (near miracle) and then basically got clobbered at home by UGA and then lost to a pretty bad Tennessee team 24-7, showing perhaps the effect of the UGA loss (which was for the SEC E).  Then they won the bowl game, nice season really, but some close calls.

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