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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1022 on: August 07, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
I knew that was your purpose. At the same time, there are some other message boards that continue to call it a high scandal, and that - not you - is the origin of my flippancy.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1023 on: August 07, 2018, 12:31:17 PM »
I knew that was your purpose. At the same time, there are some other message boards that continue to call it a high scandal, and that - not you - is the origin of my flippancy.
I think there are two standards here.
  • Is what is being done legal and within SEC guidelines?
  • Is what is being done ethical?

In general, organizations would have clear guidelines about conflict of interest over things like this. For example, I work for a large HDD maker. Given that it's a bit of an incestuous industry, a lot of people jump back and forth between multiple competitors over the course of their careers. In those jumps, personal relationships are formed. For example, I know one woman who came over to our company from a competitor; her husband works for the competitor. They met while working together, and they're not exactly going to get divorced just because they work for competitors now. I know another whose brother works for a competitor. [Obviously they didn't become brothers due to working together; I presume one referred another to a job, but then one or the other changed companies.] They are required to disclose these potential conflicts of interest to the company. Usually there's no issue there; there certainly wasn't in either of these cases. But it allows the company to identify where problematic relationships might occur; such as where a personal relationship with a supplier could cause unfair decisions to be made relative to buying from that supplier. 

I would have assumed that UM would have clear guidelines regarding conflict of interest, quid pro quo, etc. In general, companies normally want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. It doesn't really appear that they're self-policing on this. Perhaps that is deliberate, in the case that they believe self-policing will reduce contributions from donors. It's possible that it's all on the up-and-up and these donors will contribute regardless of any kickbacks.

But it certainly raises some questions.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1024 on: August 07, 2018, 12:42:34 PM »
But unless "secret investment deals" with donors are either (1) illegal or (2) harming the university or its constituents (e.g., by prioritizing poor investments that harm the endowment), I disagree that this rubs an ethical line.
Since it isn't illegal, the only way I can imagine it being unethical is if these endowment investments in donor Funds were either actively dumb decisions or at the very least less smart than investing in some other Fund. And none of the reporting has gone in that direction. I suppose if there were insider trading that would also be unethical, but again, the reporting hasn't indicated anything like that.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1025 on: August 07, 2018, 12:50:47 PM »
The endowment is controlled by Fiduciaries, no?  They sure know what that means from a liability perspective.  I see nothing wrong with it.  Further, private equity investments have long been a substantial allocation of large pensions and endowments.  

As noted above, they can't exactly conceal this.


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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1026 on: August 07, 2018, 12:54:53 PM »
But unless "secret investment deals" with donors are either (1) illegal or (2) harming the university or its constituents (e.g., by prioritizing poor investments that harm the endowment), I disagree that this rubs an ethical line.
Since it isn't illegal, the only way I can imagine it being unethical is if these endowment investments in donor Funds were either actively dumb decisions or at the very least less smart than investing in some other Fund. And none of the reporting has gone in that direction. I suppose if there were insider trading that would also be unethical, but again, the reporting hasn't indicated anything like that.
Understood. 
However the reason that there are usually conflict of interest guidelines here is because it's really hard to determine whether these investments are good or bad relative to others. And they don't have to be "bad", they might just be "sub-optimal". That's really hard to figure out.
In companies, you are often taught that you can't really determine the quality of decisions by outcome. Because there are a lot of things, such as unknown variables, changing conditions, etc, that can make the outcome of a GREAT decision turn out badly. 
So you judge yourself on the decision-making process. And any decision-making process that doesn't account for conflicts of interest is generally considered to be a worse decision-making process than one that does. 
It doesn't mean that you CAN'T invest with a donor. It means that you have a higher level of scrutiny on a decision-making process when there are known conflicts of interest involved. 
So I'm not saying anything wrong occurred here. It's possible they evaluated these investment decisions with full knowledge of the conflict of interest and still arrived at the decision to make this investment.
I'm just saying I hope they included it in their decision-making process. Failure to do so is a bad process. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1027 on: August 07, 2018, 12:59:04 PM »
All of that lands with me.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1028 on: August 07, 2018, 01:14:20 PM »
The Ross thing is a horse of a different color.

As for the amount of investments directed towards donors, the investigation turned up the only one raising a red flag being not with a donor but with a former contact of the UM employee in charge of making those decisions.  I believe he had already been banned from managing funds by the SEC, and was doing so anyway, resulting in even greater punishments.  So while I believe that one smelled bad, it wasn't from the university standpoint as much as the individual making the decisions.  The only negative commentary on that I read was from a couple of ethics professors who wondered how one person was allowed to have that much authority over that much money with no real oversight, that he would have been even able to do that.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1029 on: August 07, 2018, 01:23:48 PM »
Yeah that one's fishy.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1030 on: August 07, 2018, 02:29:14 PM »
Speaking of unconsciousness, I went to the poll yesterday and went swimming with my wallet in my pocket.  It got wet.

No disaster really, everything dried out pretty quickly.  I felt a bit foolish, but was remarking on how everything (nearly) is plastic these days.  Better that than the cell phone.  I also noticed my concealed carry license expired last month, which was good to know.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1031 on: August 07, 2018, 02:34:19 PM »
concealed carry license transferred from Ohio to Georgia?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1032 on: August 07, 2018, 02:43:51 PM »
concealed carry license transferred from Ohio to Georgia?
The states had reciprocity, so I guess so, I couldn't find anything about it on line.  GA just has what to do to get a new one, or renew an old one.  I guess I have to just reapply for one here.
I only got one to be fully legal taking something to the range, if I went to the range.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1033 on: August 08, 2018, 08:49:34 PM »
Went to Lake Mozingo in Missouri this past weekend. Nice lake and one beautiful golf course. (except hole 7, green might as well been a volcano)  Fishing was absolutely brutal. One 2lb bass between 2 guys for 2 days. Felt a little better when I talked to some guys in a Tournament that said the lake was dead all weekend. Anyone else have bad fishing this year? 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1034 on: August 09, 2018, 12:06:57 AM »
Heh, I hate golf holes that are volcanoes.   I can think of a couple in Wisconsin like that.  I also hate blind deep soup bowl Par 3s with a 10 foot high flagstick.  Not to mention holes with a  green like a horse's back.

RE: fishing. Normally I head to Canada for a week in the summer, but with our house build ongoing, I can't get away for that long, so many decisions to make.   I've done a little bit here and there on some local lakes, and neighborhood ponds and its been pretty lean.  Always good for panfish here and there, which the kids love, but we've had some clumsy management of the lake at the in laws place that's screwed up the bass fishing.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1035 on: August 09, 2018, 08:55:13 AM »
The fishing in Lake Michigan has been pretty solid this year, although most of what we do is technically not fishing (trolling). Lots of Coho, which is the best salmon (that's relative) to eat. 
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