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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #938 on: July 24, 2018, 05:26:36 PM »
not sure why 4K content hasn't taken off like HD, probably because most folks think HD is plenty good enough
It took HD a while.  I remember CBS doing a special broadcast of a basketball game between MSU and OSU in like 2000.  I hated it because we didn't have it, nobody I knew had it, and going widescreen with the black lines on the top and bottom was really irritating.
Flash forward 4 years to my parents actually getting an HD TV in 2004 when I was in college, there was still very limited programming.  I remember there was a station just called HD, just pretty much showed landscapes, but we'd watch it and just marvel at it.  They'd show replays of Olympic events (that was the 2004 Summer Olympics), but the HD programming wasn't live.  I don't think every NFL game was in HD until 2007.  It took a while, and that was a MUCH bigger leap.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #939 on: July 24, 2018, 05:26:51 PM »
I just got a new 34" curved monitor at work.  It's pretty ridiculous.  I don't have any particular need for it, but since my latest job is in Displays Marketing, and we have lots of demos and x-rev samples lying around, it would be silly not to take it.  I also have two 27" flat monitors but I'll likely only keep one of them.

As far as curved TVs, though, I agree.  No need for them.




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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #940 on: July 24, 2018, 05:36:18 PM »
since I'm a bachelor, neither daughter is around much and don't usually watch TV with me, I could get by with a curved TV 99% of the time.  I've checked them and really don't care for them.  I could probably get used to watching one and might really enjoy it.

but, those times when 4 or 5 Husker fans are over to watch the game it wouldn't do a tall
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #941 on: July 24, 2018, 05:54:42 PM »
not sure why 4K content hasn't taken off like HD, probably because most folks think HD is plenty good enough
Again, I work in close proximity to this industry, so there are a lot of reasons:
1) Lack of content - until there is enough of a pull for broadcasters to not only record, but also do all their post-processing and everything else for UHD, the content is truly limited.
2) Lack of equipment - cable/satellite providers like to keep equipment in the field as LONG as humanly possible. They paid for it, they make money renting it to you, and if they have to replace it with new-fangled models it cuts into their bottom line. Until they have enough content to justify charging you more for cable, they're not going to have a lot of 4K. Right now most of the 4K content you can get is video on demand through them, and only if you have their newest boxes. 
3) Lack of bandwidth. Cable and satellite are very bandwidth-limited, because they are true broadcast. And remember, when they broadcast a channel, they have to broadcast it to the lowest common denominator. The signal that comes in your coax from the cable company or to your satellite dish contains EVERY show on EVERY channel, in EVERY encoding scheme they support. Remember, they want to keep old equipment in the field forever. So even though UHD takes advantage of HEVC [high efficiency video encoding], any older boxes don't have HEVC decode capability. The new-ish boxes have AVC / MPEG-4. Older boxes are MPEG-2. That means if they want to provide a program in 4K, it requires additive bandwidth to ALL the stuff they're currently providing. So if they're providing "CBS", they need to provide CBS in UHD with HEVC, in HD with AVC, and in SD with MPEG-2 encoding. Right now it's just the latter two. Otherwise to send you a bunch of 4K channels means they have to go replace your Grandma's set top box that she's been paying $7/month over the last decade if they want to get rid of all their old MPEG-2 signals. And everyone else's grandma too.
3a) This is actually why the streaming services are beating cable to 4K. Netflix and Amazon already have it. Why? Because they're IP services as opposed to broadcast services. Their bandwidth is point-to-point, not broadcast. They send you ONLY the show you want to watch, in real-time. This was also the way that AT&T UVerse and Verizon FIOS work, but those services didn't take off all that well. It's also why you get 4K content over VOD rather than broadcast, since VOD is an IP service.
4) Lack of consumer demand. A report a month ago said that ~90% of the TVs in the US are not 4K/UHD. Now, while it's true that this is a bit of a weaker point, as a lot of the main living room TVs are being replaced by 4K, it's still not overwhelming. Why put all that content out there when most homes can't even watch it in 4K? 
I do think it might take off a little more quickly this time. I think the streaming services will force the cable/satellite guys to push a little harder to avoid losing more to cord cutters, and we should start to see OTA rollout in 2019. When you can get your OTA channels and your streaming services in UHD but the cable/satellite guys don't offer it, they're going to have to catch up. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #942 on: July 24, 2018, 06:27:40 PM »
A grand will buy an incredible TV.  I used to have. 13" color CRT.  OK, a while ago.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #943 on: July 24, 2018, 06:28:07 PM »
Listening to Eat a Peach.


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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #944 on: July 24, 2018, 06:35:25 PM »
Again, I work in close proximity to this industry, so there are a lot of reasons:

4) Lack of consumer demand. A report a month ago said that ~90% of the TVs in the US are not 4K/UHD. Now, while it's true that this is a bit of a weaker point, as a lot of the main living room TVs are being replaced by 4K, it's still not overwhelming. Why put all that content out there when most homes can't even watch it in 4K?

I also work close to the industry.
the conversion to HD had all the same issues.  I assume they were more quickly over come because of consumer demand.
HD content came along much more quickly enough though most homes didn't have HD TVs at the time.
Perhaps the manufacturers of the HD TVs pushed harder back at that time to make that revenue? 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #945 on: July 24, 2018, 06:36:47 PM »
HD was WAY better.  4K is some better.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #946 on: July 24, 2018, 06:38:14 PM »
Anybody up for a GaTech game this year?

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #947 on: July 24, 2018, 06:41:41 PM »
 are the yellow jackets playing in Lincoln?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #948 on: July 24, 2018, 06:58:12 PM »
In the ATL.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #949 on: July 24, 2018, 06:59:10 PM »
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #950 on: July 24, 2018, 07:02:34 PM »
Trayvon Walker, boom.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #951 on: July 24, 2018, 07:19:49 PM »
What did HDTV beat out?  There were 2 potentials, but HD won.  I forget the one that lost.
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