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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #574 on: May 23, 2018, 12:54:40 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
There's data out there, 'cept no one seems interested in it here.
I love me some good data. I even love when data tells me something that I don't necessarily agree with because it shows me the contours of the system we're using. (i.e. I think the high-loss teams that do well in S&P+ are oddly fascinating because I know why they are where they are)
But this:
"to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals."
This is not data. This is conjecture. Our friends at UCF claiming a title is also silly. But that's the nature of the sport. Some take it as a chance to poke the power structure in the eye. But it only gets traction if some folks out there feel the need to feel poked in the eye (and by God they do).
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #575 on: May 23, 2018, 07:39:54 AM »
My point is probably conjecture too. 

The point being that kids play and prepare for every game as hard as they can, because there are so few games.

Plus, with bowl games.. Who the hell wants to lose their last game? Possibly their last game, ever, or at a minimum, last game for 9 months?

I'll never be convinced otherwise. Kids play to win. Coaches coach to win. It's what they do.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #576 on: May 23, 2018, 10:19:07 AM »
agreed

some kids/coaches may lose conviction midway through a blowout, but at the moment of kickoff, they are invested in playing well and winning the contest
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #577 on: May 23, 2018, 11:34:22 AM »
The problem is that Badge says he'll never be convinced. So it would have to take incontrovertible data to even broach the subject.

OAM says he's already convinced and there's data to prove it, but has only provided anecdotal data, which is easy to do if you cherry-pick the most egregious samples. But it's not a full data set.

I'm on the fence. I'm willing to be swayed either way, but to do that, we'd actually need real data. As far as I know, nobody has ever compiled this in a methodical way.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #578 on: May 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on May 23, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
 nobody has ever compiled this in a methodical way.
Nobody ever will. It's not possible.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #579 on: May 23, 2018, 01:49:14 PM »
obviously the big underdog is many times more highly motivated than the big favorite

obviously bowl season is something a bit different that the reg season, pre-season, or playoff season

and on top of those things, there's the variable of nearly (100) 18-22 year old kids on both rosters and half crazy coaching staffs

tough to compile things methodically 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #580 on: May 23, 2018, 09:50:44 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 07:39:54 AM


I'll never be convinced otherwise. 
If this is true, then you are not part of the conversation.  
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #581 on: May 23, 2018, 09:52:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
Nobody ever will. It's not possible.
Boy, you're on a roll.  Just because it hasn't been done means it can't be.  Sheeesh.  Give me $1,000 and a month, and I'll do a deep dive and come up with a valid answer.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #582 on: May 23, 2018, 09:54:04 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 23, 2018, 12:54:40 AM
I love me some good data. I even love when data tells me something that I don't necessarily agree with because it shows me the contours of the system we're using. (i.e. I think the high-loss teams that do well in S&P+ are oddly fascinating because I know why they are where they are)
But this:
"to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals."
This is not data. This is conjecture. Our friends at UCF claiming a title is also silly. But that's the nature of the sport. Some take it as a chance to poke the power structure in the eye. But it only gets traction if some folks out there feel the need to feel poked in the eye (and by God they do).
You're right, I'm trying to have a dialogue about the "why" behind what I'm suggesting is a thing and others are poo-pooing.  I find it odd that I say the data is out there while having my conjecture cited.
But to find something in the data, mustn't we first have a hypothesis?!?

It may be conjecture now, but why assume that will always be the case?!?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #583 on: May 23, 2018, 10:05:58 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Boy, you're on a roll.  Just because it hasn't been done means it can't be.  Sheeesh.  Give me $1,000 and a month, and I'll do a deep dive and come up with a valid answer.
I'm not a boy, but we can talk about $1K per month for sure.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #584 on: May 24, 2018, 09:39:13 AM »
The ATL is packed.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #585 on: May 24, 2018, 11:01:37 AM »
100 days out! 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #586 on: May 24, 2018, 11:08:23 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
100 days out!
Don't wish away summer. It's short enough already, and it just started today.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #587 on: May 24, 2018, 11:11:34 AM »
Man, summer started a couple months ago. 
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