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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #532 on: May 20, 2018, 10:18:19 PM »
Right, I haven't ever said it's consciously, but it's a real thing.  Hell, I'm not sure it even can be consciously.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #533 on: May 21, 2018, 08:28:09 AM »
Sometimes teams have bad games. It's not for a lack of trying.

Michigan was trying like hell in that game against Appy. They didn't want to be that team that lost to an FCS school.

Appy was just a little better (and more lucky) that day. The "ball" bounces funny sometimes.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #534 on: May 21, 2018, 09:04:09 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
2007 App St beat Michigan 34-32.  App St was I-AA, UM was #5 in the country.
This one was unique, wasn't it?  The season-opener.  App State was #1, but in FCS.  Vegas didn't put a line on it, because it was supposed to be an easy blowout.  UM had a lot of talent coming back - NFL types.  Home game.  Ranked 5th.  Probably paid ASU a lot of money, too.  No big statistical difference, no big turnover difference.  App State earned the win.
The flukiest things in the game were the last 2 events, really - UM getting into FG range in the last 25 seconds, then App State blocking the FG attempt as time expired.  The other 59 minutes and 30 seconds weren't fluky.  Was the eventual 13-2 ASU team better than 9-4 Michigan?  No.  But they won, and that's the goal. Great.  Did UM "show up"?  Did they play their best?  

If you want to debate playing your best every single game vs playing your baseline average, that'd be one thing.  But UM's best was better than ASU's best.  UM's average baseline was better than ASU's baseline.  Now badge and others like to say every team should always play their best at all times forever.  Sure they should.  BUT THEY DON'T.  NO ONE DOES.  NO ONE CAN.  What should be and what is, is vastly different.  Putting your head in the sand and pretending it's not true is silly.


M*ch players came right out and said they played down for this game. They were smoking weed in the locker room and joking around in practice. 
I think what is getting challenged here is cincydawg's statement "bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger." Then the examples given are all SEC not quite National title contenders. 
Upsets happen, motivation is a factor. I don't think anyone is arguing that (well maybe badge is.) I think what is getting challenged is if motivation is a larger factor during a bowl game than regular season. I don't know if we have data that backs this up, but what we do have is 3 weeks of build up, lazy announcers/reporters trying to find something to talk about during a bad game, and the whole offseason to reflect upon it.
The Ten Commandments for Betting the Bowls - three of the 10 commandments take into account for motivation. 
Switching sports I can tell if Cleveland is gonna win or lose by watching Kevin Love run or walk after the opposing team makes a bucket. (Love typically helps with the inbound, if he is hustling I think the Cavs will be fine, if his shoulders slump and his walks to the ball, open spot on court; I say "uh-oh" the Cavs are about to lose the game. motivation is thing. 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #535 on: May 21, 2018, 09:11:08 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
Badge, you gotta get off the SEC thing, jesus christ.  It has nothing to do with conference.  
In my perception, fans of SEC teams are the ones who use the "didn't show up" excuse more than any others. It's the fans of teams that expect perfect seasons every year, because their team has the best players and best coaches. The only reason they could possibly lose is if they "didn't show up".
Fans of most of the big boys are like this. Here, not so much, but then again we are for sure debating it.
Ohio State "fans" want to fire Urbie after every (rare) loss. That's silly too. I don't think Glen Mason could handle another round of the OSU job being open. If you fire a guy like Urbie, you could end up with Bill Callahan or Derek Dooley or something.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #536 on: May 21, 2018, 09:14:08 AM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on May 21, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
M*ch players came right out and said they played down for this game. They were smoking weed in the locker room and joking around in practice.  
They may have "played down" in the beginning, but they were trying like crazy after getting punched in the mouth.
I thought those comments ended up being refuted?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #537 on: May 21, 2018, 09:16:21 AM »
I think this is more about game prep than being up for the game, as I said earlier.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #538 on: May 21, 2018, 09:24:02 AM »

That Michigan team certainly had some issues coming out of the gate. They got hammered (literally) by Oregon the next week. 

To their credit they turned it around and wound up having a pretty good season.

They didn't beat OSU of course, but they did beat the Tebow led Florida juggernaut in a Bowl Game.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #539 on: May 21, 2018, 09:34:20 AM »
There were problems on that Michigan team that season... Chemistry, leadership, prima donnas getting preferential treatment, dont know I wasnt there, but they certainly were. 

Bama was exposed by a team that was built to expose them as they played wide open with nothing to lose, where bama thought they could give half effort and roll... That was arrogance, plain and simple.  

You cant look at games like those and not consider games that went like you think it should have gone prior.... Example boise vs uga early season and they got mopped. Broke their touted qb's heart and he gave up in the third.   

Urban Meyer said something and he needs the credit.  He said "99 out of 100 times the better prepared team wins".  The losses of giants to mortals is ALL on the coaching staff.  The better coaches learn from their mistakes, the arrogant ones shrug and move on. 

Auburn was beat the hell up last season.  Especially late
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #540 on: May 21, 2018, 10:59:47 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 21, 2018, 09:16:21 AM
I think this is more about game prep than being up for the game, as I said earlier.
so, when a not great Auburn team beat Bama and then upset Georgia, Auburn just prepared better the week of the game?
Bama just wasn't "up" for preparing for Auburn?
upsets happen, the better team doesn't always win, for many reasons.  Sometimes for lack of motivation.
fans are going to excuse away losses.  I just don't agree with the idea that Bama and Georgia would have rolled UCF if given the change in the playoff.
Obviously, Bama and Georgia were very fine teams and if they get on a roll they could beat any team by 3 or 4 TDs and that might have happened to UCF, but to think it was a certainty is reaching.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #541 on: May 21, 2018, 11:25:33 AM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on May 21, 2018, 09:34:20 AM
 

Auburn was beat the hell up last season.  Especially late
Apparently not beat up enough to beat Bama?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #542 on: May 21, 2018, 12:33:20 PM »
Bama was probably outscored 16-7 in the 2nd half of that game because the players all knew that Auburn was beat up and lost motivation to prepare properly the week before.

Saban even apologized for his team's performance:

Alabama coach Nick Saban said his team still deserves a playoff shot after playing for the national title the past two years and scarcely getting challenged this season.

"I don't think one game defines who you are," Saban said. "It certainly doesn't define this team for who they are. I'm sorry that I could not do a better job as a coach and as a leader."
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #543 on: May 21, 2018, 12:42:00 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 11:25:33 AM
Apparently not beat up enough to beat Bama?
bama and Georgia is how they got beat up so badly... much of Auburn's O was based around the impact and rumor of impact of their TB... which isn't attempt to take anything away from UCF- they were a fine team last year i don't think anyone can argue.   I think they would have played anyone in the top 5 tight- especially for a single game.  
and maybe that is the crux of this, and something we'll never know because these games aren't played in consecutive series- it's a one time shot at a team as they are currently built.  having players motivated knowing they've got to play at their best and leave it all on the field right dang now, and is their only chance of winning carries more weight than telling the team to 'saddle up and execute one more time', especially when the arrogance of 'league' or 'status' is involved... I don't think UCF beats Auburn 3 out of five, but i think it would have come down to the third game... I don't think Auburn beats Bama three out of five, though they'd have at least one... I don't think Auburn would have had even two against UGA last season (out of two they got one, with a healthy 'hell on wheels' TB)- though watching the first game would certainly have made you think otherwise.  Meanwhile, I think UCF could have beaten any of them, or anyone in the top ten, once... as long as it was the first game.  
all of that is conjecture and opinion and based on nothing other than my gut feeling after watching them play. 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #544 on: May 21, 2018, 02:04:07 PM »
I thought Auburn would be lucky to beat UCF for reasons I stated.

I was not surprised at all.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #545 on: May 21, 2018, 02:17:46 PM »
i wasn't surprised at all either- but i also will freely say that auburn was not playing as i'd witnessed them play earlier in the year. 

this sport is about cohesion and concert- all parts contributing their role as a cog in the machine, that if not operating properly will throw the entire machine off kilter- and as that happens it makes the source of the issue hard to locate/isolate.  it's what draws me to it- team players and cohesion; one goal through separate acts... this feeds into the whole 'comfort zone' thing i've blabbed about for years. 

whatever the issue- maybe UCF removed Auburn from their comfort zone or maybe auburn removed themselves, they lost to a team that played like a team and wasn't intimidated or deterred.  the ability UCF showed in team unity/cohesion showed me they could play against anyone- especially the first encounter.  once a giant team (such as a Bama, tOSU, Wiscy, UGA, ect) realized what they were up against, they'd simply shift gears- meld into a team again, and go to work- winning a lot more often than losing after that warning shot across their bow. 

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