2018 Michigan Season thread

[847badgerfan]

5 ships is plenty in the QB room

but, if that's what it takes to get a great one, ya gotta do it.

Agree. I do think one of them is a candidate to move to DB though (talking about UW here).

[ELA]

Patterson and Eason both had interest in transferring to Michigan. Michigan didn't really pursue either. That's all changed in the past couple weeks. In regards to Patterson. Still not likely to talk with Eason.

They just lost 2 scholarship QB's. Malzone was sort of expected, but Speight was out of left field.

Speight was told he was going to have to compete with Peters for the job, he felt it should be his, didn't want to do it. He wants a guarantee start, it's his last year and he has NFL pipe dreams.

McCaffrey is going to be a good one, but he's still rail thin. He's realistically still probably another year away physically. He came in at 174 pounds. He is 6 foot 4 plus. That's rail thin at that height. He's added size but he's still got a lot more to add.

They'll go after Patterson but only if he can get a waiver to play right away. Open comp between he and Peters and may the best man win, loser is the back-up.

Nobody like that is transferring to compete for a starting job.  No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.

[Mdot21]

Nobody like that is transferring to compete for a starting job.  No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.

Harbaugh ain't no coach lol. In that interview Speight did with Detroit 7 ABC he said Harbaugh made him compete with O'Korn and Peters for the job in 2017 and didn't know he'd be starting until the day before the Florida game. Reason why he's transferring right now. The way he sees it, he has 1 year left to be the guy and play his way into a potential NFL Draft pick. Probably didn't want to risk losing a competition, or winning competition and then getting yanked if he struggled. Either scenario would likely kill what little NFL shot he has.
And a kid like Patterson thinks he can beat anybody out. Doesn't care about competition. Only way they'd even take him is if he can play this year. He'd have to get a waiver from the NCAA. You never know with the NCAA. 50/50 shot. He's just as likely to get the waiver as he is to get shot down.

[Mdot21]

I think they should stop with the transfer stuff and just develop a QB they already have. Why use up snaps on a transfer who might not pan out?

Ever since Russell Wilson, schools are trying to find the next one. Hell, even mine tried it again and we know how that went.

UW has 4 scholarship players at QB right now; A Sophomore (starter), a RS Fr, and two true Fr. One more recruit is coming for next year.

I don't want them to even thing about a transfer, unless it's Keller Chryst (grad transfer) from Stanford, who could somehow develop into a QB coach or something. I think that runs in his blood.

depth. they need a guy who can play right away this year. They're going into 2018 with two playable QB's. Peters and McCaffrey. Should always have 3. Michigan lost Speight to injury in 2017 and went through 3 different QB's this year. What if disaster struck again? Wouldn't be able to play 3 in 2018 as they'll only have 2 that Harbaugh would consider playing.
Speight leaving has really hurt the depth. Harbaugh does not like true freshman QB's. If he didn't play Andrew Luck at Stanford as a true freshman, he's probably not ever going to play a true freshman QB unless he absolutely has to.

[Mdot21]

5 ships is plenty in the QB room

but, if that's what it takes to get a great one, ya gotta do it.

5 minimum.

I feel like you want to always have 3 that are RS Frosh or higher. Playing true freshman at QB is the worst.
Most important position on the entire team, bar none.
When Tom Brady got to Michigan in 1995 they had 7 QB's on scholarship and he was the 7th guy on that depth chart.
Speight coming back would've probably left them with near perfect mixture of experience/depth at the QB position. 5th SR, RS Soph, RS Frosh and then two frosh that you redshirt. Some kind of mixture like that is an ideal situation.

[Mdot21]

Ever since Russell Wilson, schools are trying to find the next one. Hell, even mine tried it again and we know how that went.

Patterson is a talent for sure, but he hasn't proven anywhere close to what Russell Wilson did before transferring. Totally different situations really. Patterson was a hot-shot recruit, but he's started about 9 games of football. Wilston started like 34 games at NC State. Wilson wasn't that heavily recruited, but he proved it on the field. He was the best QB in the ACC for maybe 3 years in a row and he came real close to all of Phillip Rivers' school records. Might've broken some of them had he stayed 1 more year.
Even if Patterson could get a waiver and come in and compete, I'd put money on Peters to win that competition. He will have had 5 games (including bowl) directing the  offense, 2 spring practices in that offense, 2 bowl practices in that offense, and a 3-year head start in absorbing the offense/playbook.

[Mdot21]

No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.

also- Michigan wasn't recruiting Eason or Patterson to transfer. Those guys were thinking about Michigan, but Michigan wasn't reciprocating that interest. Georgia 247 mods said as much about Eason. And Sam Webb shot down Patterson rumors weeks ago when it was rumored that Patterson wanted to come to Michigan. Family is from Toledo, big Michigan fans and he wants out of Ole' Miss. The change with Patterson on Michigan's end only came very recently after Speight and Malzone both decided to transfer. They weren't recruiting him- he was recruiting them. If he wants to come- how do you turn that down? Don't think you can.

[Mdot21]

per Maize N Brew Michigan blog on SB Nation, Patterson's most recent follows on twitter are Michigan players Rashan Gary, Brandon Peters, Kareem Walker, and Dylan Crawford.

They also re-tweeted a tweet of CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd from back in the spring....

Shea Patterson: “I had dreams of playing in the Big House.”
— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) May 30, 2017

[Mdot21]

well that Patterson to Michigan fire is raging hot now. Ole Miss 247 reporting Patterson has been granted permission to explore a transfer by the school and that Michigan may be the most likely destination spot.

https://247sports.com/college/ole-miss/Article/Ole-Miss-football-Shea-Patterson-granted-permission-to-transfer-per-sources--111567091

[ELA]

also- Michigan wasn't recruiting Eason or Patterson to transfer. Those guys were thinking about Michigan, but Michigan wasn't reciprocating that interest. Georgia 247 mods said as much about Eason. And Sam Webb shot down Patterson rumors weeks ago when it was rumored that Patterson wanted to come to Michigan. Family is from Toledo, big Michigan fans and he wants out of Ole' Miss. The change with Patterson on Michigan's end only came very recently after Speight and Malzone both decided to transfer. They weren't recruiting him- he was recruiting them. If he wants to come- how do you turn that down? Don't think you can.

If you are happy with your starter, no, you don't.  Add some random mid major grad transfer for depth?  Sure.  Bring in a new starter, when you ended the previous year with a freshman incumbent?  No thanks.  Unless, like I said, Harbaugh doesn't like what he's seeing from Peters

[Mdot21]

If you are happy with your starter, no, you don't.  Add some random mid major grad transfer for depth?  Sure.  Bring in a new starter, when you ended the previous year with a freshman incumbent?  No thanks.  Unless, like I said, Harbaugh doesn't like what he's seeing from Peters

Bring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.
The kid is all but begging to come to Michigan. I don't see how you turn talent away. Bring in the talent and may the best man win.

[ELA]

Bring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.
The kid is all but begging to come to Michigan. I don't see how you turn talent away. Bring in the talent and may the best man win.

It's his NFL future we are talking about.  A kid like that isn't transferring anywhere to do anything but be the starter.  He'd be an idiot to do otherwise.  I think waiting so long to finally pull the trigger on Peters when everyone saw how bad O'Korn was, and then this, tells me, that in spite of what he showed in three games against terrible teams, there's something he's showing in practice that Harbaugh isn't liking.
I agree with bringing in talent every year.  That's expected.  You don't bring in a transfer at QB unless you have a problem.

[Honestbuckeye]

Bring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.
The kid is all but begging to come to Michigan. I don't see how you turn talent away. Bring in the talent and may the best man win.

Does he have to sit a year?

[Mdot21]

Does he have to sit a year?

right now he does, yes. He has to request and be granted a waiver from the NCAA to play right away. If they reject him- he'll have to sue them to try and be eligible to play right away.