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Mdot21

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #98 on: December 02, 2017, 04:33:24 PM »
It's his NFL future we are talking about.  A kid like that isn't transferring anywhere to do anything but be the starter.  He'd be an idiot to do otherwise.  I think waiting so long to finally pull the trigger on Peters when everyone saw how bad O'Korn was, and then this, tells me, that in spite of what he showed in three games against terrible teams, there's something he's showing in practice that Harbaugh isn't liking.
I agree with bringing in talent every year.  That's expected.  You don't bring in a transfer at QB unless you have a problem.
I don't know man. Think you might be reading too much into the situation.
I think you take talent where you can get it. Patterson is clearly talented. Eason is probably the better fit for the style of offense Harbaugh wants to play, but he'd have to sit and doesn't have a prayer of getting that over-turned like Patterson might be able to with the Ole' Miss mess.
Makes way more sense to bring in someone like Patterson than it ever did to bring in someone like O'Korn- who had one of the worst QBR ratings in the FBS the year he lost his job to Greg Ward Jr.- a guy that was maybe 5 foot 10 and had played wide receiver the year before.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #99 on: December 02, 2017, 04:42:29 PM »
Yeah I agree.  But you also have to manage a roster.  You don't bring someone like that in to do anything but be the starter, and you don't bring in your 2018 and 2019 starter as a transfer unless you don't care if Peters and/or McCaffrey transfer.

If you know he's better than those guys, than you absolutely do it.  If you don't, then no way would I.
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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2017, 04:50:45 PM »
Yeah I agree.  But you also have to manage a roster.  You don't bring someone like that in to do anything but be the starter, and you don't bring in your 2018 and 2019 starter as a transfer unless you don't care if Peters and/or McCaffrey transfer.

If you know he's better than those guys, than you absolutely do it.  If you don't, then no way would I.
Agree ELA.  It sends a horrible message to guys your recruiting.   
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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2017, 05:06:05 PM »
if they can really trade Speight for Patterson- that's a talent upgrade at the most important position there is on the team.

If Peters or McCaffrey don't want to compete, they don't want to compete. I doubt either one is built like that though.

As that SB Nation Michigan blog reported, Patterson followed Peters on twitter and Peters followed him back- they were eachothers most recent follows. My guess is they've already been talking about Patterson coming there and competing. They obviously know each other from the Elite 11 and Army Bowl where they were both on the West team.

Makes less sense for Patterson to transfer to Michigan than it is for Michigan to take him. If he did come he wouldn't be handed that job, he'd have to win it. And I don't know if he would over Peters. Patterson is still recovering from an MCL and PCL knee injury that required surgery and he'd be way behind in Peters in that playbook. His best bet would probably be to go somewhere that'd guarantee him a starting job if he has NFL aspirations. Or to just stay at Ole Miss.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2017, 05:09:08 PM »
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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2017, 05:13:32 PM »
if they can really trade Speight for Patterson- that's a talent upgrade at the most important position there is on the team.

If Peters or McCaffrey don't want to compete, they don't want to compete. I doubt either one is built like that though.

As that SB Nation Michigan blog reported, Patterson followed Peters on twitter and Peters followed him back- they were eachothers most recent follows. My guess is they've already been talking about Patterson coming there and competing. They obviously know each other from the Elite 11 and Army Bowl where they were both on the West team.

Makes less sense for Patterson to transfer to Michigan than it is for Michigan to take him. If he did come he wouldn't be handed that job, he'd have to win it. And I don't know if he would over Peters. Patterson is still recovering from an MCL and PCL knee injury that required surgery and he'd be way behind in Peters in that playbook. His best bet would probably be to go somewhere that'd guarantee him a starting job if he has NFL aspirations. Or to just stay at Ole Miss.
I agree.  It makes no sense for Patterson, unless he was made guarantees.  Which is why I assume they were.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2017, 05:24:45 PM »
I agree.  It makes no sense for Patterson, unless he was made guarantees.  Which is why I assume they were.
Eh. That's not Harbaugh's style to guarantee starting jobs on the recruiting trail or even to incumbents on his own team. If Harbaugh wouldn't guarantee Speight his job going into 2017 or even for 2018 after Speight told him hey coach I'm leaving, boy I just have a hard time thinking he'd guarantee Patterson a job.
Patterson played in a completely different style of offense at IMG and at Ole Miss than what Harbaugh runs. Going from a spread where you're 95% shotgun with 4&5 WR's most plays to under center pro-style with so many different formations, 2&3 TE sets, different personnel groupings, and the play-calling system and terminology is so much more more complex and detailed- I honestly don't see how he'd come in there and just be handed a starting job over a guy with a major head start in that offensive playbook/terminology and that is way more versed in that offense in Peters. Especially coming off a knee injury that still isn't 100%.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2017, 05:46:05 PM »
Either way is an assumption and assuming a guy like Patterson, who could get a guarantee or at least "not a guarantee, wink, wink" from dozens of schools, would risk throwing his whole future away makes no sense.

Particularly when nobody could figure out why Harbaugh waited so long to go to Peters.

You read those things together, to me any other assumption is a hell of a leap.

Patterson has proven to be really good, Harbaugh has proven to be very hesitant about Peters.  Pitt those together, it's a good move, but only if he's ok with losing Peters, which I think he is.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2017, 07:21:36 PM »
Don't know if it means anything at all- but I was checking out the Ole Miss 247 site and they are in a panic that Patterson leaving means starting LT Greg Little will be gone. Apparently they are like best friends and room mates, came in the 2016 class together and if Patterson goes Little is gone too.

A guy can fricken dream, right? 

Greg Little is the free agent get of the college football off-season if he can transfer and get a waiver to play right away.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2017, 07:22:42 PM »
Now that makes sense no matter what

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2017, 07:27:58 PM »
Now that makes sense no matter what
Yah he's a plug and play starter at tackle then probably off to the NFL as a 1st round pick.
Essentially the CFB equivalent of a college basketball 1 and done.
Michigan needs a tackle in the worst way with Cole leaving. Just saying. Newsome is going to give it a go in the spring but he might not be the same player he was.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2017, 08:07:14 AM »
Wow.  That would be great.  Michigan's need at LT next year is dire.  I'm sure Coach Harbaugh will grit his teeth and accept a transfer from the 2016 #1 QB recruit to get Little.  Given Coach Harbaugh's cozy relationship with the NCAA I'm sure Patterson will have no trouble winning an appeal for an immediate release.
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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2017, 01:00:56 PM »
Sounds like Patterson is visiting Ann Arbor this weekend. Rumor is he is bringing an Ole Miss WR with him- but nobody has the name of which Ole Miss WR.

That Ole Miss safety Deontay Anderson looking to transfer to Oklahoma. Flood gates could open there. They might wind up losing 10+ players.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2017, 01:12:58 PM »
so apparently Ole Miss players QB Shea Patterson, S Deontay Anderson, and WR Van Jefferson all visiting Ann Arbor together this weekend. All have their releases and looking to transfer.

None of them are eligible to play right away, but they do have a shot to get a waiver from the NCAA for immediate eligibility. WR is already crowded, not sure Jefferson is really a need. Anderson would probably send Josh Mettelus to the bench, so hey I'm all for that. If there was a weak link in that defense this year it was depth at DL, Josh Mettelus at safety, and Mike McCray in space.

An insider who posts on all 3 sites- Mgoblog/Rivals/247 said a few days ago that 7 Ole Miss players sent out feelers, Michigan was only interested in 3-4 of them. We know who 3 of them are for sure now. I'm guessing the 4th one is OT Greg Little. Word on the street though is Little hasn't made up his mind whether to leave or not, still in the air.

If I am being completely honest, Little is the one I really want.

 

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