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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2017, 11:51:46 AM »
whatever happened to program players who stuck around for depth/special teams?

I guess I can understand why most of these guys are leaving, they want more playing time. But if they have a fantasy they are going to go somewhere else be stars and then get drafted- well it's just that, a fantasy.

Drake Harris can't stay healthy. Moe Ways is really slow. Malzone really doesn't have the arm to be an FBS starter at a P5 program that runs a pro style offense- and he doesn't have the running ability to go play in a spread option offense to off-set that lack of arm strength. What's wrong with being a back-up? Speight is living a fantasy if he thinks he's going to go somewhere get handed a starting job play amazing and get drafted by the NFL. He's ceiling was reached at Michigan with Harbaugh- that's as good as that guy is ever going to get with his physical limitations- 6'6 statue that can't run, has very average arm strength, and goes through bouts where he is wildly inconsistent with his accuracy throwing everything wide, short, high, or behind.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2017, 12:16:40 PM »
Dawg fans mostly think Eason is staying at UGA, but who knows?  He has not graduated and so would not be eligible to play next season at Michigan if he transferred.  Supposedly Florida contacted him about moving, along with Fields.

Eason would have one year left if he declared for the draft.

QB play is very important for elite level teams.  Duh.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2017, 12:25:36 PM »
Dawg fans mostly think Eason is staying at UGA, but who knows?  He has not graduated and so would not be eligible to play next season at Michigan if he transferred.  Supposedly Florida contacted him about moving, along with Fields.

Eason would have one year left if he declared for the draft.

QB play is very important for elite level teams.  Duh.
God I was so pissed off when Eason wouldn't give Michigan a look. I did hear a rumor from one of the Georgia 247 mods that Eason was looking at a couple schools to transfer to and Michigan was one of them. I don't think Michigan goes after Eason, unfortunately. I'd love to have him, but that probably isn't a fit for either side. If they go for a transfer it will be for a grad transfer who is eligible to play right away and who can battle with McCaffrey to be the back-up. Peters is going to be the guy in 2018. I think Eason should go to FCS, play right away and dominate. Flacco was a 1st round pick out of the FCS. Eason lights up the FCS in 2018 and 2019- he'll be a 1st round pick too.

Harbaugh came in and went full throttle after Josh Rosen in the 2015 class and then Eason in the 2016 class, but both of them stuck with their commitments. Those were the #1 pro-style QB's in their classes. And for good reason. Both of them had ELITE level arm talent. Only a handful of guys every class that are 6'3+ and can sling the rock with that much velocity and accuracy. It's just really rare. Lot of kids have one or 2 of those 3- the elite physical size, elite arm strength, and elite accuracy. Almost none have all 3. Rosen and Eason had that out of the box.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »
Eason to Michigan never made a lick of sense

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2017, 12:51:15 PM »
whatever happened to program players who stuck around for depth/special teams?

I guess I can understand why most of these guys are leaving, they want more playing time. But if they have a fantasy they are going to go somewhere else be stars and then get drafted- well it's just that, a fantasy.
They are definitely few and far between, particularly at QB.  If a guy gets passed by a younger player, he's most likely gone.  Damion Terry was asked that in an interview this year, and said he has no regrets, and he's happy he's a Spartan for life.  His career certainly didn't go the direction MSU fans thought it would, when he impressed the moment he stepped on campus, and during the Maxwell-O'Conner-Cook QB debate early in 2013, a healthy segment of the fan base figured Terry was the future, pull his redshirt and let him learn on the fly, since none of the other three were any good.  But he's definitely the exception.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2017, 12:56:34 PM »
Eason to Michigan never made a lick of sense
Would've made sense in 2016 to come in as a true Frosh. Rudock was leaving, job was open and Eason was physically ready to play as a freshman. 
Now? Makes no sense. Eason has to sit a year and Peters is the guy until he loses it. I don't think he loses it. Peters can play. He needed development. Peters played like 4 different sports in his HS career, wasn't a year round football kid and didn't have private QB coach in HS like a lot of kids do these days. Came into Michigan skinny beanpole of a kid, added like 15 lbs, probably needs to add like 10 more then just maintain that size. 

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2017, 12:59:09 PM »
Would've made sense in 2016 to come in as a true Frosh. Rudock was leaving, job was open and Eason was physically ready to play as a freshman.
Now? Makes no sense. Eason has to sit a year and Peters is the guy until he loses it. I don't think he loses it. Peters can play. He needed development. Peters played like 4 different sports in his HS career, wasn't a year round football kid and didn't have private QB coach in HS like a lot of kids do these days. Came into Michigan skinny beanpole of a kid, added like 15 lbs, probably needs to add like 10 more then just maintain that size.
Yeah, I mean the transfer "rumors" never made a lick of sense.  If you are leaving due to losing PT to a freshman starter, why would you transfer, sit out a year, to be in the exact same situation?

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2017, 01:05:10 PM »
Yeah, I mean the transfer "rumors" never made a lick of sense.  If you are leaving due to losing PT to a freshman starter, why would you transfer, sit out a year, to be in the exact same situation?
Eason is better than Fromm IMO. Eason was the starter, he gets injured, Fromm goes in and they just kept winning and Kirby was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fromm just kept winning and if it ain't broke- don't fix. No need to mess with the team chemistry when you're like 10-0 ranked #1. They're 11-1 and one win away from winning the SEC and a playoff spot. If they do pull off the upset- hard to say Kirby made a mistake sticking with the Fromm. AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!! Lol.
Eason situation is just really rare. He should absolutely leave though IMO and go to the best FCS program that fits his ability and play right away. Hell he rips it up there 1 year he might actually be able to leave and be a 1st round pick.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2017, 01:10:29 PM »
Speaking of transfers....NCAA to announce its ruling on Ole Miss tomorrow. If they get hit hard, the players might be able to leave and play right away. 

If I'm Harbaugh two guys I'm going after full throttle are LT Greg Little and QB Shea Patterson. Patterson might not want to go compete, but Little could plug in right away and start at LT and if Newsome can come back healthy move him to RT- if he can't recover from that devastating injury- then stick with JBB.

Ole Miss roster about to get poached I think. 

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2017, 01:13:34 PM »
Urban Meyer called Michigan's "No. 73" (Maurice Hurst) "the best we've ever seen at that position." Also cited Rashan Gary and "No. 90" (Bryan Mone) for superb play. "But we kept leaning on them, leaning on them, and finally we got a big run."

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2017, 01:24:28 PM »
Urban Meyer called Michigan's "No. 73" (Maurice Hurst) "the best we've ever seen at that position." Also cited Rashan Gary and "No. 90" (Bryan Mone) for superb play. "But we kept leaning on them, leaning on them, and finally we got a big run."

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Hurst should've been starting last year. They rotated a lot more guys last year because they had more guys. They need to rotate more in 2018 to keep em fresh.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
Seems like Michigan against the USC-Stanford loser in the Holiday is pretty likely.
very likely we'll see Michigan vs. South Carolina in the Outback bowl in Tampa. Per college football reporter Brett McMurphy- formerly of ESPN - until they fired him in those huge rounds of layoffs last year. Still breaking stories despite being unemployed. Impressive.

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Re: 2018 Michigan Off-Season thread
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2017, 01:18:57 PM »


pretty cool graphic from PFF. Long & Hill #1 and #2 in the conference in passer rating against. Only a RS Frosh and Soph. Feel pretty confident that both these guys will both be playing on Sunday. Might be the most talented CB tandem they've had in awhile.
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