2018 Coaching Changes thread

[Entropy]

Deion has HS coaching experience, but does he have anything else?   It seems to me that the biggest stars don't become the best coaches.. it is the support guys/gals or those who sat on the bench at high levels that can translate and teach.  Those stars struggle with that bridge. 

[Mdot21]

Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.

I would pay whatever he wants

If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.
Can't believe LSU is stupid enough to let Canada go.

[ELA]

Yeah, the other two would be home runs.

Deion could go either way.

[ELA]

If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.
Can't believe LSU is stupid enough to let Canada go.

I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties.  It's EASILY his biggest weakness.  He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays.  And you obviously want Canada calling the plays.  Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.

[Mdot21]

Deion has HS coaching experience, but does he have anything else?   It seems to me that the biggest stars don't become the best coaches.. it is the support guys/gals or those who sat on the bench at high levels that can translate and teach.  Those stars struggle with that bridge.

there is a lot of truth in that. a lot of times incredible athletes like that don't make the best coaches.
Deion has a really high football IQ. He understands the game at a high level. He wasn't just pure athlete. I think someone like Barry Sanders for instance was just pure athlete, instinct. He'd never be able to teach other RB's a thing.
I'd bet if Deion was the DB's coach, FSU would be able to land just about any CB recruit they wanted.

[ELA]

Trying to think about in each sport, who was the best player that also became at least a very good coach?

For college football, Spurrier has to be the high bar right?

[Mdot21]

I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties.  It's EASILY his biggest weakness.  He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays.  And you obviously want Canada calling the plays.  Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.

well there's been a lot of smoke that Enos and Harbaugh are close to a deal, and it's not for an OC position. We'll find out one way or the other after the bowl season.
I can't say I'd agree with Canada as OC would be a better hire than Harbaugh as head coach, that's just nonsense imo. Not sure he'd even be a better hire than Don Brown. That is the hire that's kept this thing afloat in 2016 and 2017. Don Brown kicked the defense up another notch and is a significantly better DC than DJ Durkin was. Without Don Brown's defenses in 2016 and 2017, don't even want to think about where Michigan would have been. Would've been a lot worse than 10-3 in 2016 and 8-4 with a shot at 9-4 in 2017. Offense hasn't carried it's own weight the last two years, been the defense carrying that entire program.

[ELA]

I can't say I'd agree with Canada as OC would be a better hire than Harbaugh as head coach, that's just nonsense imo. 

I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation.  I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.

[Mdot21]

Trying to think about in each sport, who was the best player that also became at least a very good coach?

For college football, Spurrier has to be the high bar right?

I think Jim Harbaugh would have to be in that discussion as well. He didn't win a Heisman like Spurrier but he finished 3rd in the Heisman voting two years in a row, was a 1st Team All-American QB and was also a 1st round NFL draft pick, and he was a significantly better NFL QB and NFL Coach than Spurrier. Spurrier was horrible in the NFL both stints as a player and coach.
I think Deion could make it work as a DB coach as long as he's committed. Who knows if he'd really want to put in the work? He's a got a cushy tv job, he's a multi multi millionaire and he spends his time bouncing between mansions in LA and Dallas. Why would he give that up to live in podunk Tallahassee that's kinda in BFE and not much to do- certainly doesn't compare to LA or Dallas. And does he want to do the grind that it takes to be a college coach. Recruiting is 24/7, 365 non-stop. I don't question whether he could do the job and teach DB's and recruit. I think he'd be great at it honestly. I just question if he'd even want to do it considering his life style.

[Mdot21]

I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation.  I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.

I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.
An OC isn't as important to a program as a head coach. And Harbaugh is absolutely among the very best HC's in the nation. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
If the guy hit the open market he'd be the #1 candidate in college for the NFL to poach. Why do you think they pay him as much as they do? To keep him away from the NFL.

[MarqHusker]

Joe Torre probably has the edge in MLB over anybody else*.    Leo Duroucher, Stengel, Bruce Bochy are amongst the several 'decent' players, very good managers.  Of course then there are guys like Ty Cobb, Nap Lajoie, Ted Williams, etc. who were inner circle all-time greats, but average to mediocre managers. Most didn't manage that long.    Lots of guys like Dusty Baker, Frank Robinson,  Harvey Kuenn, who played very good to great careers, and admirable tenures as managers.  The rest of the elite managers, were basically minor league scrubs, who might've gotten cups of coffee in the Show (W. Alston, Connie Mack, Sparky, LaRussa, Lasorda)


* Would need to probably separate players from managers, versus the player/manager, otherwise you'd have to consider 19th Century/early 20th Century guys like: Cap Anson, John McGraw Frank Chance, and a few others.  

[ELA]

I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.
An OC isn't as important to a program as a head coach. And Harbaugh is absolutely among the very best HC's in the nation. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
If the guy hit the open market he'd be the #1 candidate in college for the NFL to poach. Why do you think they pay him as much as they do? To keep him away from the NFL.

He's possibly a top 10 coach, a very, very good coach, but I certainly wouldn't say he's a top 5 coach.  He also has an NFL pedigree, which is why the NFL wants him.

[MrNubbz]

Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.

I would pay whatever he wants

Wouldn't go that far as they are all vastly over paid.LSU should let go of Easy Ed should call him Special Ed.Don't know what MC is guaranteed but I think the Ogre is at 12 million-that's should land some one in prison

[ELA]

Heh, during the Belk Bowl, Jimbo Fisher just with a straight face said the early signing period isn't fair to coaches like him, who only got a couple weeks to lock down his class.

Seriously Jimbo?