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Topic: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread

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847badgerfan

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1022 on: January 25, 2019, 12:30:15 PM »
For however damaging recent BTN/Fox contracts have been to certain sports, none has been hit as hard as hockey.
This is correct, big time. I saw more UW hockey on TV 15 years ago than I do today.
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1023 on: January 25, 2019, 12:39:05 PM »
Depends on where you live.  In market, yes, much less, out of market, much more.  Pre-BTN showing hockey I saw 3 MSU games while living in Pittsburgh, the Frozen Four and national title game in 2007, and one random game against I think Notre Dame on ESPNU.  They've been on BTN now for 5 of their past 6 games.

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« Reply #1024 on: January 25, 2019, 01:29:17 PM »
Between BTN and FSN, Michigan hockey was heavily featured in out-of-market cable broadcasts from around 2007 through until recently (around 2-4 years ago but I have a hard time remembering the inflection point). 

In all of my Hershey, PA time and half of my time in Bloomington, IN, I caught most hockey games on "basic cable + sports package." That seemed revolutionary. But now it's gone. There's been at least 1 Michigan game viewable in Indiana so far this year. But I highly doubt as many as 3 made their way this far. My suspicion is that this correlates to the renegotiation with Fox a few years back.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1025 on: January 25, 2019, 01:31:39 PM »
Weird, the Pittsburgh FSN affiliate never picked up any of those FSD hockey broadcasts.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1026 on: January 25, 2019, 01:35:38 PM »
Weird, the Pittsburgh FSN affiliate never picked up any of those FSD hockey broadcasts.
Did you leave the state before or after BTN's arrival? Did you have a "sports package" in addition to standard cable? I didn't leave Michigan until after BTN showed up (perhaps incentivizing more FSN coverage to compete), and my access often required my sports package.
Now, even with a package add-on, watching the games is impossible. Only "BTN-Plus" enables watching, and I reject that on principle (the added cost, the inconvenience of live streaming to a laptop, and the glitchy product).

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« Reply #1027 on: January 25, 2019, 01:54:24 PM »
BTN-Plus is your culprit
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« Reply #1028 on: January 25, 2019, 01:55:54 PM »
Did you leave the state before or after BTN's arrival? Did you have a "sports package" in addition to standard cable? I didn't leave Michigan until after BTN showed up (perhaps incentivizing more FSN coverage to compete), and my access often required my sports package.
Now, even with a package add-on, watching the games is impossible. Only "BTN-Plus" enables watching, and I reject that on principle (the added cost, the inconvenience of live streaming to a laptop, and the glitchy product).
I left one year before BTN, and we had the sports package for a couple years, just based on the deal they were running.  We had a bunch of random networks, but none of the regional Fox networks.  MSU has had probably 7-8 games this year just on regular BTN, as I've said, 5 of their 6 games over the past 3 weekends have been on.

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« Reply #1029 on: January 25, 2019, 02:17:28 PM »
Lots of UW hockey is on Fox Sports Wisconsin, but we can no longer get that in any package with Comcast. I can stream it for free through BTN, so long they are not "plus" channel games. I might do that tonight. I have a pretty easy setup to hook my computer up to the TV at home, for both sound and video.
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1030 on: January 25, 2019, 04:35:34 PM »
That tweet made my day ELA 

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1031 on: January 25, 2019, 05:32:49 PM »
Vis-a-vis the tiers:

By my quick count, thus far there have been 57 B1G games and nine of those have been "upsets".  I'm defining "upsets" here as games in which our projected winner lost.  That is roughly one upset in every six games.  This weekend (Fri-Sun) we have the following seven games (with projected winner):
  • Michigan at Indiana - Michigan
  • Ohio State at Nebraska - Nebraska
  • Northwestern at Wisconsin - Wisconsin
  • Illinois at Maryland - Maryland
  • Rutgers at Penn State - Penn State
  • Michigan State at Purdue - Michigan State
  • Iowa at Minnesota - Iowa

Note that we expect the home team to win four and the road team to win the three bolded games.  

There are seven games this weekend so experience suggests that there will be one or two upsets.  Then I'll post updated projections on Monday.  

It should be a fun weekend.  The top two teams are both playing road games in tough environments that they could plausibly lose, Ohio State has a near-must-win in Lincoln, Wisconsin needs to avoid a let-down, etc.  

One game that probably doesn't interest many people but that I find interesting is Rutgers at Penn State.  I expect Penn State to win and I hope for their sake that they do.  Penn State got absolutely hosed by the schedule.  We project that they would go 6-20 in a full double-round-robin 26 game schedule.  However, our teams each miss six games and somehow PSU misses half of their projected wins (vMN, vNU, vtOSU) such that their projection dropped to only 3-17, then they lost one of their thee remaining projected wins (vIU) so now we project them to finish dead last in the B1G at just 2-18 despite the fact that we consider them to be better than both Rutgers and Illinois.  If they lose at home to Rutgers their projection will drop to a woeful 1-19 and they'll be nearly a lock for the #14 basement seed in the BTT.  

On the subject of schedule, at this point Northwestern appears to have the most favorable schedule (+.069) and Penn State the least favorable (-.081).  All teams are within +/-0.015 except:
  • +.069 Northwestern
  • +.065 Ohio State
  • +.046 Illinois
  • -.031 Minnesota
  • -.042 Maryland
  • -.081 Penn State

For the eight teams within +/-0.015 the schedule doesn't really impact them much, that is just a rounding issue*.  Northwestern, Ohio State, and Illinois all get a boost while Penn State, Maryland, and Minnesota all get dinged.  

*Explaining the rounding issue:
The calculation here is Projected Record for the 20 games actually played minus Projected Record for a full 26-game double-round-robin schedule.  Looking at Purdue, for example, we project that the Boilermakers would go 18-8 on a 26-game double-round robin.  They miss six of those 26 games.  Mathematically, their schedule would be exactly fair if they missed 4.15 wins and 1.85 losses.  Obviously that isn't possible and Purdue actually misses four projected wins and two projected losses.  They are theoretically helped by the schedule to the tune of 0.15 games.  That is just rounding.  

Now look at Penn State:
We project that the Nittany Lions would go 6-20 on a 26-game double-round-robin.  Mathematically they should miss 1.38 wins and 4.62 losses.  They actually miss three projected wins and three projected losses.  They are hurt by the schedule to the tune of 1.62 games.  

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1032 on: January 25, 2019, 05:44:40 PM »
They said on the radio that this is OSU's longest losing streak in 20 years.
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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1033 on: January 25, 2019, 05:52:55 PM »
They said on the radio that this is OSU's longest losing streak in 20 years.
Ugh!  To be fair, part of it is scheduling.  The three home games were all against high-end teams (MSU, UMD, PU) and road games are always going to be tough.  That said, the steak is at five and barring a surprise in Lincoln tomorrow or a miracle in Ann Arbor on Tuesday it will be seven before it ends.  
The Rutgers game is the one that really bothers me.  Three of the other four (MSU, UMD, PU) were against teams that will likely be high seeds in the NCAA tournament and the fourth (Iowa) was against a likely tournament team.  Losses always suck but those losses aren't THAT bad and they aren't terribly damaging.  The Rutgers loss is crippling in two ways:
  • Win Volume:  The team is now in a situation where they need to, at a minimum, win every game that they are favored in and they'll still probably need an upset or two somewhere along the way to get into the NCAA Tournament.  
  • Bad Loss:  No matter how you slice it, that RU loss is a "bad loss".  That hurts because we really need a "good win" to compensate.  

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1034 on: January 25, 2019, 06:37:13 PM »
Lots of UW hockey is on Fox Sports Wisconsin, but we can no longer get that in any package with Comcast. I can stream it for free through BTN, so long they are not "plus" channel games. I might do that tonight. I have a pretty easy setup to hook my computer up to the TV at home, for both sound and video.
I have a similar setup (HDMI cord). A smart TV would make it even easier. But even with those things, which - however simple - are still extra steps beyond normal cable watching, BTN Plus is not a smooth streamer in my experience. I have a strong connection, too. Netflix and Hulu are smooth for me. But BTN Plus is choppy garbage, sometimes no better than going to ESPN gamecast to follow the time and score.

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Re: 2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1035 on: January 25, 2019, 07:04:35 PM »
Hmmm. BTN streams fine for me, no matter the device. I do have a Smart TV, but F it. Easier for me to just do what I know.



But, since Mrs. Wonderful is into DDD tonight (Guy Fieri - don't get any ideas), we may just skip the hockey. They kinda suck this year anyway.
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