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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2021, 01:01:32 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 19, 2021, 09:54:46 AM
I was a big fan of Sweetness for many reasons, so I follow those who get close or pass him.

I wonder how many more yards he would have had running behind that OL in Dallas all those years.
Did Emmitt have that great OL at Escambia HS?  He ran for the 2nd-most yards in HS history.
Did Emmitt have that great OL at Florida?  Or a passing attack?  He finished as the Gators' all-time leading rusher and had the most receptions on the team.
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But I guess he wasn't that good.
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2021, 01:32:37 PM »
I never said Smith wasn't any good. Walter Payton was just better.
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2021, 01:50:48 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 19, 2021, 12:10:34 AM
He came into the NFL right as I was getting into fantasy football, so he was definitely never underrated in my sphere
yup, I had Fred Taylor and won a couple seasons with him
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2021, 02:34:21 PM »
Back to the B1G 2003 season, the conference wasn't much of a bell curve.  Look at the conference records:
7-1
6-2
6-2
5-3
5-3
5-3
4-4
4-4
1-7
1-7
0-8
Not much of a middle there. 
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Chris Perry had 51 carries against MSU.  If he was a FR, that'd be child abuse.
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Minny's Asad Abdul-Khaliq led the conference in passing and rushing yds by a QB. 
The Gophers also sported dual 1,000-yard rushers (Barber III and Maroney).  Hell, their 3rd-string RB (Tapeh) had 570 yds and 11 TDs.
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Minny averaged 289 yds rushing per game as a team.  MSU averaged under 100.
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OSU, UM, and PU had the best defenses, all near 300 ypg allowed.  OSU staunch vs the run and UM vs the pass.  It makes Perry's 150 yds vs the Bucks all the more amazing. 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2021, 02:40:04 PM »
It was the last year that Purdue beat Wisconsin in football -- and the teams have played I think almost every year since. 

It wouldn't surprise me if we've beaten every other Big Ten team since then. Heck, we've beaten OSU, the cream of the conference that entire stretch, several times since. The only ones I think might be questionable are either Maryland or Rutgers because they're new to the conference and being in the opposite division there are not that many games between us. 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2021, 02:51:37 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 19, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
It was the last year that Purdue beat Wisconsin in football -- and the teams have played I think almost every year since.

It wouldn't surprise me if we've beaten every other Big Ten team since then. Heck, we've beaten OSU, the cream of the conference that entire stretch, several times since. The only ones I think might be questionable are either Maryland or Rutgers because they're new to the conference and being in the opposite division there are not that many games between us.

I thought MSU might fit the bill, but it's 8 in a row, last loss was in 2006 (17-15).  I honestly do not remember that game at all
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2021, 05:01:02 PM »
Wow, I just looked up the 2003 All-Big Ten team.  The QBs are dumb.
QB - John Navarre, UM (Abdul-Khaliq had a far superior season...Smoker was 2nd team, led the conf in INT)
RB - Chris Perry, UM
RB - Marion Barber III
WR -Braylon Edwards, UM
WR - Lee Evans, UW
TE - Ben Utecht, MN/Ben Hartsock, OSU (tie)
C - Greg Eslinger, MN
G - David Baas, UM
G - Alex Stepanovich, OSU
T - Robert Gallery, Iowa
T - Tony Pape, UM
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DL - Matt Roth, Iowa
DL - Will Smith, OSU
DL - Shaun Phillips, PU
DL - Tim Anderson, OSU/Anttaj Hawthorne, UW (tie)
LB - AJ Hawk, OSU
LB - Niko Koutouvides, PU
LB - Alex Lewis, UW/Abdul Hodge, Iowa (tie)
DB - Bob Sanders, Iowa
DB - Stuart Schweigert, PU
DB - Jim Leonhard, UW
DB - Will Allen, OSU/Chris Gamble, OSU (tie)
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K - Nate Kaeding, Iowa (Nugent 2nd - had to be the best pair of kickers in a conference simultaneously)
P - BJ Sander, OSU/Brandon Fields, MSU (tie)
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I get it, they won the B1G, but this Michigan offense averaged under 450 yards per game...with the 1st team QB, RB, WR, and 2 OL.  That's some underperformance, no?
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2021, 05:07:51 PM »
no Badgers on the O-line?

Blasphemy 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2021, 06:34:03 PM »
That was that weird 23-5 loss to unlv season.  Weird season for Wisconsin. 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2021, 08:35:34 PM »
apparently didn't have the trench ponies
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2021, 09:28:53 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on April 20, 2021, 08:35:34 PM
apparently didn't have the trench ponies
They only had one OL drafted in the three subsequent drafts (04-06) combined, so it would appear not.
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2021, 11:11:43 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 20, 2021, 05:01:02 PM
Wow, I just looked up the 2003 All-Big Ten team.  The QBs are dumb.
QB - John Navarre, UM (Abdul-Khaliq had a far superior season...Smoker was 2nd team, led the conf in INT)

I get it, they won the B1G, but this Michigan offense averaged under 450 yards per game...with the 1st team QB, RB, WR, and 2 OL.  That's some underperformance, no?
So, the second part feels like a bellcow thing. Perry accounted for just short of 63 percent of UM's total carries. Edwards was at 31 percent of the team's catches and more than a third of the yards. Navarre threw 149 more passes than all but three conference QBs, and was around 450 yards ahead of all but Smoker. Concentrated production gets you on all-conferece teams.

The QB thing is interesting. I have a good guess why it happened. I think it comes down to data presentation and archetype. We're still pre-high-powered spreads at major conferences for the most part, so leading in yards seemed to mean something. We're also in relatively early internet, so most folks voting are looking at stat broadcast leaderboard printouts. Abdul-Khaliq is fourth, Navarre and Smoker are 1-2. Abdul-Khaliq's stats don't blow you away, and he's considered a "game manager" who takes advantage of play-actions (photo-NFL Jared Goff, as it were). He's considered like the fifth-best guy on his own offense, which is probably getting some, but not enough credit.  Which is not to say it was right, but it made more sense with that era's sensibilities, or at least it just wasn't considered a strong QB year. 

That was the last year Minnesota beat UW before the long streak began. 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2021, 11:16:51 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 20, 2021, 09:28:53 PM
They only had one OL drafted in the three subsequent drafts (04-06) combined, so it would appear not.
Starters
Morgan Davis RS JR
Dan Buenning RS JR
Donovan Raiola RS So
Jonathan Clinkscale RS JR
Mike Lorenz RS Jr. 

I learned who three of them were today. 
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Re: 2003 B1G Season
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2021, 11:24:21 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 20, 2021, 11:11:43 PM
So, the second part feels like a bellcow thing. Perry accounted for just short of 63 percent of UM's total carries. Edwards was at 31 percent of the team's catches and more than a third of the yards. Navarre threw 149 more passes than all but three conference QBs, and was around 450 yards ahead of all but Smoker. Concentrated production gets you on all-conferece teams.

The QB thing is interesting. I have a good guess why it happened. I think it comes down to data presentation and archetype. We're still pre-high-powered spreads at major conferences for the most part, so leading in yards seemed to mean something. We're also in relatively early internet, so most folks voting are looking at stat broadcast leaderboard printouts. Abdul-Khaliq is fourth, Navarre and Smoker are 1-2. Abdul-Khaliq's stats don't blow you away, and he's considered a "game manager" who takes advantage of play-actions (photo-NFL Jared Goff, as it were). He's considered like the fifth-best guy on his own offense, which is probably getting some, but not enough credit.  Which is not to say it was right, but it made more sense with that era's sensibilities, or at least it just wasn't considered a strong QB year.

That was the last year Minnesota beat UW before the long streak began.
That's good analysis.  
It could've just also been the helmets the guys were wearing.  
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