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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
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Any rememberies from that season? A customer ordered those teams from Whoa Nellie. Well, he ordered 10, but I'm tossing in Illinois to complete the conference set. The Illini were baaaaaaaad.
Indiana's defense allowed 9 yards per pass ATTEMPT. It's the 2nd-worst of the 2,000 teams I've created, behind 2020 LSU.
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That was a pretty good season for Purdue.
Had a saucy defense with 1 player drafted in 2003 and 7 who were productive upperclassmen then drafted in 2004.
With that defense, despite being a "basketball on grass" spread team, it was a much more balanced attack than other Purdue years. Jerod Void rushed for just under 1,000 with two other RBs getting around 600 combined yards on the ground. John Standeford had more than 1K receiving yards with Taylor Stubblefield not far behind at 835. Kyle Orton wasn't yet the Heisman favorite that he became after week 5 of 2004 (right before his injury and The Fumble against Wisconsin), but played well.
Team finished 9-4 with a 6-2 conference record. Spent most of the season ranked with wins over #20 Wake Forest, #14 Wisconsin, and #10 Iowa. They opened the season with a better-than-it-appeared-at-the-time loss to a pretty darn good Bowling Green team [who had just promoted their OC after previous HC Urban Meyer left to go sell used cars or something--what happened to him anyway???], had one blowout loss against #10 Michigan, and OT losses to #4 OSU and #11 Georgia in the bowl game.
Probably the best overall team of Joe Tiller's era at Purdue, and yes I'm including the Rose Bowl year in that statement.
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Spot on about Purdue.
My cousin went to Bowling Green. I bet him on that game, straight up, he didn't he even take the spread. I remember being let down by that loss and questioning just how good Purdue really was.
The rest of the season was a good one though. Definitely one of the best Purdue teams in the modern era. That Georgia bowl game was a wild one.
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Any rememberies from that season? A customer ordered those teams from Whoa Nellie. Well, he ordered 10, but I'm tossing in Illinois to complete the conference set. The Illini were baaaaaaaad.
Indiana's defense allowed 9 yards per pass ATTEMPT. It's the 2nd-worst of the 2,000 teams I've created, behind 2020 LSU.
That was me, don't worry about tossing in the extra one. Eventually I'll be requesting some more.
Or if you do, I'll make my next order the ACC, with just 9 teams, so it all evens out
I personally think that was peak college football for me. So I want to figure out what I want to do with it. But I think that was peak offensive diversity with the ability to still play stifling defense if you had the personnel. So I think that's the most fun year to play around with
For some reason I missed that you started the thread, and saw the most recent post, and got excited that someone else wanted to talk 2003 college football. Otherwise I would have realized what the purpose was.
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Oh wow, okay, cool.
Are you sure about Illinois? You'll only order more teams if you like the game. :57:
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Speaking of early 2000s Indiana football, BTN playing their 2000 win over Iowa and 2002 upset of Wisconsin today.
I paid a whopping $30 TOTAL for student season tickets in 2002, but missed that upset of Wisconsin, back in Ann Arbor, watching the UM-PSU OT game
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Oh wow, okay, cool.
Are you sure about Illinois? You'll only order more teams if you like the game. :57:
I still occasionally play this game, and have an old scorebook with games I've played since I was probably 9 years old, so I wouldn't worry
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What other games did you play?
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Sports strategy? None really. I played the hell out of the mobile version of OOTP, but they discontinued it a couple years ago, although they are *supposedly* close to releasing a new one...as they have since 2019.
We played this game quite a bit, but there is no strategy involved. I don't even think there is a correlation between choosing run/pass (pass being higher risk/higher reward or something). Plus the nature of VHS is after you played it enough, you always knew which play was coming up next when you got a VCR card.
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That was one of the last times that Ohio State and Michigan played for the Rose Bowl.
Coming into THE GAME, the Buckeyes were 10-1/6-1 and ranked #4 while the Wolverines were 9-2/6-1 and #5.
Ohio State had lost at Wisconsin while Michigan had lost at Oregon OOC and at Iowa.
The Buckeyes and Wolverines were tied for 1st/2nd heading into THE GAME. Purdue was in third place at 5-2 but had already lost to both and could only tie the loser anyway.
The BCSCG was completely out of reach for Michigan and realistically out of reach for tOSU* so this was simply an old fashioned tOSU/UM game for the league title and a trip to Pasadena.
*BCSCG notes:
The Buckeyes were #2 in the BCS standings heading into THE GAME, but LSU also had only one loss and had an extra chance to impress voters and computers (the SECCG).
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My recollection is Robert Reynolds choking Jim Sorgi so hard he got knocked out of the game and was unable to speak. He got suspended one game.
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Sports strategy? None really. I played the hell out of the mobile version of OOTP, but they discontinued it a couple years ago, although they are *supposedly* close to releasing a new one...as they have since 2019.
We played this game quite a bit, but there is no strategy involved. I don't even think there is a correlation between choosing run/pass (pass being higher risk/higher reward or something). Plus the nature of VHS is after you played it enough, you always knew which play was coming up next when you got a VCR card.
(https://i.imgur.com/xQ6SpYz.png)
I remember that game!
I remember one play on the VCR portion with Walter Payton, where he goes for a sweep around one side, gets bottled up, reverses field to go to the other side, gets bottled up there, then reverses field to sweep back to the original side, and was tackled for a 2 yard loss lol... Probably ran 70 yards to lose 2.
I learned a lot about football rules from that game and from the old Monday Night Football "You make the call!" commercial break teasers...
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Wisconsin was weird and dumb that season.
Opened 6-1, only loss UNLV. Capped that with the Lee Evans upset to topple defending national champion Ohio State, snapping a long win streak.
Then lost five of the last six, with the only win coming against Michigan State when Evans put up 258 yards and five touchdowns and Dwayne Smith ran for 207 yards.
The team had OK QB play that was lifted by a pretty good couple of receivers. They should’ve been better, but their star running back was hurt and they never really had a great answer after him. Defense with some degree of nothing special, and neither side of the ball was particularly consistent.
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1. OSU remained in the NC hunt until dropping THE GAME in Tressel's only loss in that series, even though Maurice Clarret was ineligible and Lydell Ross was just awful.
2. Michigan native Craig Krenzel was knocked out of THE GAME after winning it each of the two previous seasons.
3. Bam Childress had one Hell of a Spring Game, making himself a household name in Buckeye lore for generations to come.
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Wisconsin was weird and dumb that season.
Opened 6-1, only loss UNLV. Capped that with the Lee Evans upset to topple defending national champion Ohio State, snapping a long win streak.
Then lost five of the last six, with the only win coming against Michigan State when Evans put up 258 yards and five touchdowns and Dwayne Smith ran for 207 yards.
The team had OK QB play that was lifted by a pretty good couple of receivers. They should’ve been better, but their star running back was hurt and they never really had a great answer after him. Defense with some degree of nothing special, and neither side of the ball was particularly consistent.
Similar for MSU. They started 7-1 (4-0) in the Big Ten, with wins at Notre Dame, home against #13 Iowa and at #25 Minnesota. But the one loss was when they blew a 13 point lead in the final minutes to Louisiana Tech, by surrendering TD, onside kick, TD.
They reached #9, and hosted Michigan on Halloween weekend. Michigan dominated, but MSU had a game tying hail mary dropped in the end, thanks to an 80 yard broken coverage TD, and like a 70 yard fumble scoop and score, turned a 27-6 game into 27-20. Started a streak of losing 4 of their final 5. Including letting Lee Evans go crazy on them in Madison, and sleepwalk of a performance in the Alamo Bowl against Nebraska, where Drew Stanton (who was still the #2 QB then) tore his ACL on punt coverage, resulting in him missing the first month of the following season.
The team had (IIRC) the top rush defense in terms of ypc through October. They lost their best interior lineman to injury in the Michigan game, and the whole thing kind of fell apart after that. The LBs and CBs were awful. The offense threw the ball a lot, and weren't overly efficient, but did hit on a number of big plays. DeAndra Cobb possibly remains the best returnman MSU has had in the post-Rogers years. I think he had 3 return TDs that year?
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2003 season was crazy for Husker fans
2 games vs the BIG
Fearless Frankie's last team hosted Penn St in Sept.
4 FGs and a Jamal Lord rushing TD were enough with Pelini's defense to win 18-10
With Bo Pelini as head coach the Huskers went to the Alamo bowl vs Sparty and the Blackshirts beat Smoker 17-3
finished ranked 19th in the AP poll
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My recollection is Robert Reynolds choking Jim Sorgi so hard he got knocked out of the game and was unable to speak. He got suspended one game.
Yep. I was there to see it live. Reynolds should have never taken the field for OSU again.
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My recollection is Robert Reynolds choking Jim Sorgi so hard he got knocked out of the game and was unable to speak. He got suspended one game.
On IMO, the greatest weekend of college football ever
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Yep. I was there to see it live. Reynolds should have never taken the field for OSU again.
On IMO, the greatest weekend of college football ever
Remind me, what else went on that weekend?
I didn't see much because, like @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) I was in Camp Randall to see tOSU/UW live. We actually drove Medina to Madison on GameDay then stayed the night after the game, then drove home on Sunday.
As far as the Reynolds choke goes, I'm not sure that Badge's suggestion of a permanent ban isn't too much but I am sure that a one game suspension wasn't anywhere near enough.
I've traveled to some bad road and neutral site tOSU losses. I saw Florida beat the snot out of tOSU in the Fiesta Bowl. I saw LSU beat tOSU in their home state. I saw Northwestern's only win over tOSU in my lifetime, etc. That said, the only time I was ever embarrassed by my team was when Reynolds choked Sorgi.
FWIW, not all of my trips have been for losses, I've also seen some great wins. The Buckeyes are 3-3 in bowls that I attended, 9-4 in the 13 road B1G stadiums I've seen them play in, and 1-0 in OOC road games:
Bowls:
- W 1997 Rose Bowl vs ASU
- W 2003 Fiesta Bowl BCSNCG vs Miami, Fl
- L 2007 Fiesta Bowl BCSNCG vs Florida
- L 2008 Sugar Bowl BCDNCG vs LSU
- L 2014 Orange Bowl vs Clemson
- W 2015 Sugar Bowl CFP vs Bama
B1G Stadium tour:
- W 2001 at Michigan, first win in Ann Arbor since 1987
- W 2003 at Indiana
- L 2003 at Wisconsin
- L 2004 at Northwestern, only loss to NU since 1971
- W 2006 at Iowa, largest crowd ever to see a sporting event in the state of Iowa
- W 2006 at Michigan State
- W 2007 at Penn State, got to see JoePa in his house
- W 2010 at Illinois
- W 2010 at Minnesota
- L 2011 at Nebraska, first B1G game in Lincoln, largest comeback in Nebraska football history
- L 2011 at Purdue
- W 2014 at Maryland
- W 2015 at Rutgers
OOC road games:
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Remind me, what else went on that weekend?
I didn't see much because, like @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) I was in Camp Randall to see tOSU/UW live. We actually drove Medina to Madison on GameDay then stayed the night after the game, then drove home on Sunday.
Friday night had the crazy #20 Michigan comeback over #17 Minnesota in the Metrodome, because the Twins had a playoff game Saturday. UM outscored them 31-7 in the 4th quarter to erase a 28-7 lead.
Saturday:
#1 Oklahoma vs. #11 Texas in the Red River Shootout
#2 Miami at #5 Florida State
#3 Ohio State at #23 Wisconsin
Unranked Florida upset #6 (and eventual national champion) LSU in Death Valley
Unranked Auburn upset #7 Arkansas in Fayetteville
#8 Georgia at #13 Tennessee
Missouri upset #10 Nebraska
Notre Dame upset #15 Pitt in Pittsburgh
#16 Northern Illinois erased a 14 point 2nd half deficit to avoid being upset by Central Michigan
Oklahoma State upset #22 Kansas State
Clemson upset #25 Virginia
So the weekend had 5 games between ranked teams, and another 6 ranked teams getting upset by unranked teams. So all in all 11 ranked teams lost.
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Friday night had the crazy #20 Michigan comeback over #17 Minnesota in the Metrodome, because the Twins had a playoff game Saturday. UM outscored them 31-7 in the 4th quarter to erase a 28-7 lead.
Saturday:
#1 Oklahoma vs. #11 Texas in the Red River Shootout
#2 Miami at #5 Florida State
#3 Ohio State at #23 Wisconsin
Unranked Florida upset #6 (and eventual national champion) LSU in Death Valley
Unranked Auburn upset #7 Arkansas in Fayetteville
#8 Georgia at #13 Tennessee
Missouri upset #10 Nebraska
Notre Dame upset #15 Pitt in Pittsburgh
#16 Northern Illinois erased a 14 point 2nd half deficit to avoid being upset by Central Michigan
Oklahoma State upset #22 Kansas State
Clemson upset #25 Virginia
I really didn't care for 3 of the upsets that weekend
friggin Mizzou
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I remember that Florida-LSU game. Our defense played balls-to-the-wall and they forgot to cover our RB out of the backfield for a late TD.
In 2002 we were UGA's only loss and LSU's only loss in 2003.
Lowered expectations in the Zook years.
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That VCR game sucked after about 4 times playing it, maybe sooner.
That Mizzou game ended badly, a series of turnovers and falling for trick plays is what I recall. Gave up 4 TDs in 4th iirc.
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That VCR game sucked after about 4 times playing it, maybe sooner.
That Mizzou game ended badly, a series of turnovers and falling for trick plays is what I recall. Gave up 4 TDs in 4th iirc.
Like I said, it would be better if there was some amount of strategy involved, and if it was a DVD where you could scramble which plays were involved. I also recall that there were too many decently positive gains, compared to negative or zero plays, that it was almost impossible not to score without turnovers
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Back when Nebraska losing to Mizzou would have been unexpected.
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Huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk
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Speaking of years Florida gave someone a costly only loss
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ELA, your order includes a first: a team with 2 QBs, both of which contributed to the running game, but who's stats were so different, I need to make 2 unique rushing charts.
2003 Penn State - Zach Mills and Michael Robinson
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Speaking of years Florida gave someone a costly only loss
Caused one of Sean McDonough's best voice cracks, lol. "Green is behind the DEeEfense!!"
'97 FSU defense: allows 40 yards rushing per game
'97 Fred Taylor: 160 yards and 4 TD
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ELA, your order includes a first: a team with 2 QBs, both of which contributed to the running game, but who's stats were so different, I need to make 2 unique rushing charts.
2003 Penn State - Zach Mills and Michael Robinson
Didn't want you to miss this
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Like I said, it would be better if there was some amount of strategy involved, and if it was a DVD where you could scramble which plays were involved. I also recall that there were too many decently positive gains, compared to negative or zero plays, that it was almost impossible not to score without turnovers
The college version had an outsized sample of BYU clips.
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Didn't want you to miss this
I guess I didn't remember Robinson being that involved in the 2003 team
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Caused one of Sean McDonough's best voice cracks, lol. "Green is behind the DEeEfense!!"
'97 FSU defense: allows 40 yards rushing per game
'97 Fred Taylor: 160 yards and 4 TD
We had some out of town family in that weekend. We were all Gators that Saturday
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Is there a more underrated RB in NFL history than Fred Taylor? Maybe Frank Gore. Is anyone aware that Gore went over 16,000 yards rushing? The 3rd man to ever do that.
Curtin Martin was underrated until he wasn't.
Taylor was 225 lbs and outran CBs. He played in Jax and never had a lot of TDs. But he was truly great.
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And I see that I've gone and posted NFL stuff in my own college thread.
I'm the biggest hypocrite here.
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ELA, you mentioned The Game That Shall Not Be Named.
I can still see one screen pass after another going to Chris Perry in the 4th quarter.
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Is there a more underrated RB in NFL history than Fred Taylor? Maybe Frank Gore. Is anyone aware that Gore went over 16,000 yards rushing? The 3rd man to ever do that.
Curtin Martin was underrated until he wasn't.
Taylor was 225 lbs and outran CBs. He played in Jax and never had a lot of TDs. But he was truly great.
Felt like injuries capped him in spots. Also was a little lost in a nice era for top RBs. Couldn't make the Pro Bowl much and was only twice better than 9th in yards. Seven nice to very nice years in Jacksonville, six sub-1,000. Nice receiver a few years there.
I don't know I'd call him the most underrated (I don't know who would be). His talent and ability were great, but injuries kinda kept him just below that level.
(One interesting thing is how "rated" changes. Like Corey Dillon was super good for a while and had that one super year in New England, but these days, does anyone care?)
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Dillon was the first big college football player I was aware of as a JC transfer. I know there had to be many successful ones before him, but he was the first I knew of as it was happening.
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For Taylor, I had just watched a highlight video and he just routinely outran players 30 lbs lighter than him.
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He came into the NFL right as I was getting into fantasy football, so he was definitely never underrated in my sphere
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I'd bet you less than 5% of hardcore NFL fans know Frank Gore is 3rd in all-time rushing yardage.
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I was a big fan of Sweetness for many reasons, so I follow those who get close or pass him.
I wonder how many more yards he would have had running behind that OL in Dallas all those years.
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I'd bet you less than 5% of hardcore NFL fans know Frank Gore is 3rd in all-time rushing yardage.
Of course he's 3rd all time. He's been in the NFL since 1964. Only active NFL player with an AARP card. :57:
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I was a big fan of Sweetness for many reasons, so I follow those who get close or pass him.
I wonder how many more yards he would have had running behind that OL in Dallas all those years.
Did Emmitt have that great OL at Escambia HS? He ran for the 2nd-most yards in HS history.
Did Emmitt have that great OL at Florida? Or a passing attack? He finished as the Gators' all-time leading rusher and had the most receptions on the team.
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But I guess he wasn't that good.
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I never said Smith wasn't any good. Walter Payton was just better.
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He came into the NFL right as I was getting into fantasy football, so he was definitely never underrated in my sphere
yup, I had Fred Taylor and won a couple seasons with him
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Back to the B1G 2003 season, the conference wasn't much of a bell curve. Look at the conference records:
7-1
6-2
6-2
5-3
5-3
5-3
4-4
4-4
1-7
1-7
0-8
Not much of a middle there.
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Chris Perry had 51 carries against MSU. If he was a FR, that'd be child abuse.
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Minny's Asad Abdul-Khaliq led the conference in passing and rushing yds by a QB.
The Gophers also sported dual 1,000-yard rushers (Barber III and Maroney). Hell, their 3rd-string RB (Tapeh) had 570 yds and 11 TDs.
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Minny averaged 289 yds rushing per game as a team. MSU averaged under 100.
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OSU, UM, and PU had the best defenses, all near 300 ypg allowed. OSU staunch vs the run and UM vs the pass. It makes Perry's 150 yds vs the Bucks all the more amazing.
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It was the last year that Purdue beat Wisconsin in football -- and the teams have played I think almost every year since.
It wouldn't surprise me if we've beaten every other Big Ten team since then. Heck, we've beaten OSU, the cream of the conference that entire stretch, several times since. The only ones I think might be questionable are either Maryland or Rutgers because they're new to the conference and being in the opposite division there are not that many games between us.
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It was the last year that Purdue beat Wisconsin in football -- and the teams have played I think almost every year since.
It wouldn't surprise me if we've beaten every other Big Ten team since then. Heck, we've beaten OSU, the cream of the conference that entire stretch, several times since. The only ones I think might be questionable are either Maryland or Rutgers because they're new to the conference and being in the opposite division there are not that many games between us.
I thought MSU might fit the bill, but it's 8 in a row, last loss was in 2006 (17-15). I honestly do not remember that game at all
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Wow, I just looked up the 2003 All-Big Ten team. The QBs are dumb.
QB - John Navarre, UM (Abdul-Khaliq had a far superior season...Smoker was 2nd team, led the conf in INT)
RB - Chris Perry, UM
RB - Marion Barber III
WR -Braylon Edwards, UM
WR - Lee Evans, UW
TE - Ben Utecht, MN/Ben Hartsock, OSU (tie)
C - Greg Eslinger, MN
G - David Baas, UM
G - Alex Stepanovich, OSU
T - Robert Gallery, Iowa
T - Tony Pape, UM
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DL - Matt Roth, Iowa
DL - Will Smith, OSU
DL - Shaun Phillips, PU
DL - Tim Anderson, OSU/Anttaj Hawthorne, UW (tie)
LB - AJ Hawk, OSU
LB - Niko Koutouvides, PU
LB - Alex Lewis, UW/Abdul Hodge, Iowa (tie)
DB - Bob Sanders, Iowa
DB - Stuart Schweigert, PU
DB - Jim Leonhard, UW
DB - Will Allen, OSU/Chris Gamble, OSU (tie)
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K - Nate Kaeding, Iowa (Nugent 2nd - had to be the best pair of kickers in a conference simultaneously)
P - BJ Sander, OSU/Brandon Fields, MSU (tie)
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I get it, they won the B1G, but this Michigan offense averaged under 450 yards per game...with the 1st team QB, RB, WR, and 2 OL. That's some underperformance, no?
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no Badgers on the O-line?
Blasphemy
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That was that weird 23-5 loss to unlv season. Weird season for Wisconsin.
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apparently didn't have the trench ponies
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apparently didn't have the trench ponies
They only had one OL drafted in the three subsequent drafts (04-06) combined, so it would appear not.
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Wow, I just looked up the 2003 All-Big Ten team. The QBs are dumb.
QB - John Navarre, UM (Abdul-Khaliq had a far superior season...Smoker was 2nd team, led the conf in INT)
I get it, they won the B1G, but this Michigan offense averaged under 450 yards per game...with the 1st team QB, RB, WR, and 2 OL. That's some underperformance, no?
So, the second part feels like a bellcow thing. Perry accounted for just short of 63 percent of UM's total carries. Edwards was at 31 percent of the team's catches and more than a third of the yards. Navarre threw 149 more passes than all but three conference QBs, and was around 450 yards ahead of all but Smoker. Concentrated production gets you on all-conferece teams.
The QB thing is interesting. I have a good guess why it happened. I think it comes down to data presentation and archetype. We're still pre-high-powered spreads at major conferences for the most part, so leading in yards seemed to mean something. We're also in relatively early internet, so most folks voting are looking at stat broadcast leaderboard printouts. Abdul-Khaliq is fourth, Navarre and Smoker are 1-2. Abdul-Khaliq's stats don't blow you away, and he's considered a "game manager" who takes advantage of play-actions (photo-NFL Jared Goff, as it were). He's considered like the fifth-best guy on his own offense, which is probably getting some, but not enough credit. Which is not to say it was right, but it made more sense with that era's sensibilities, or at least it just wasn't considered a strong QB year.
That was the last year Minnesota beat UW before the long streak began.
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They only had one OL drafted in the three subsequent drafts (04-06) combined, so it would appear not.
Starters
Morgan Davis RS JR
Dan Buenning RS JR
Donovan Raiola RS So
Jonathan Clinkscale RS JR
Mike Lorenz RS Jr.
I learned who three of them were today.
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So, the second part feels like a bellcow thing. Perry accounted for just short of 63 percent of UM's total carries. Edwards was at 31 percent of the team's catches and more than a third of the yards. Navarre threw 149 more passes than all but three conference QBs, and was around 450 yards ahead of all but Smoker. Concentrated production gets you on all-conferece teams.
The QB thing is interesting. I have a good guess why it happened. I think it comes down to data presentation and archetype. We're still pre-high-powered spreads at major conferences for the most part, so leading in yards seemed to mean something. We're also in relatively early internet, so most folks voting are looking at stat broadcast leaderboard printouts. Abdul-Khaliq is fourth, Navarre and Smoker are 1-2. Abdul-Khaliq's stats don't blow you away, and he's considered a "game manager" who takes advantage of play-actions (photo-NFL Jared Goff, as it were). He's considered like the fifth-best guy on his own offense, which is probably getting some, but not enough credit. Which is not to say it was right, but it made more sense with that era's sensibilities, or at least it just wasn't considered a strong QB year.
That was the last year Minnesota beat UW before the long streak began.
That's good analysis.
It could've just also been the helmets the guys were wearing.
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Corey Dillon played JuCo for the Dixie State Rebels in St George Utah
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Imagine you're in St. George, Utah playing football and your task is to tackle Corey Dillon every day?
It was back then that I learned Kansas and Mississippi were JC hotbeds.....for whatever reason. (football specifically)
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It was back then that I learned Kansas and Mississippi were JC hotbeds.....for whatever reason. (football specifically)
I've always wondered that. I think Arizona to some extent as well.
How about being the 5'11" 230 lbs JUCO DE who just had to get pancaked by Larry Allen over and over for 3 hours?
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I don't think they've ever had a player better than Corey Dillon, even though they have since expanded into a 4 year college, and worked their way up the ranks to FCS.
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I've always wondered that. I think Arizona to some extent as well.
How about being the 5'11" 230 lbs JUCO DE who just had to get pancaked by Larry Allen over and over for 3 hours?
Being a pulling guard is a blast when they don't know what play you're calling.
When the HC is pissed and you do it 7 times in a row, being a pulling guard sucks.
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My granny couldn't figure out why I didn't walk on at Florida as a 5'9", 240 lb left tackle. I wonder if she didn't want one less grandson?
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I don't think they've ever had a player better than Corey Dillon, even though they have since expanded into a 4 year college, and worked their way up the ranks to FCS.
Southern Utah?
They have a little rivalry with Northern Arizona in Flagstaff. They should both play some school in NE Nevada and call it the Isolation Playoff.
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Southern Utah?
They have a little rivalry with Northern Arizona in Flagstaff. They should both play some school in NE Nevada and call it the Isolation Playoff.
Southern Utah and Dixie State are two different schools.
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Southern Utah and Dixie State are two different schools.
Wow, I'm surprised there's enough poeple there to even staff 2 schools.
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Southern Utah has been D1 for a while in basketball. I think MSU played them a few years ago. Big Sky?
I believe Dixie State just jumped to D1 in basketball this year
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Most of my time spent in southern Utah is on the eastern half. Monument Valley, Mesa Verde?, etc. Basically the background of every western, ever.
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The western half of Southern Utah is quite a bit more populous.
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Southern Utah has been D1 for a while in basketball. I think MSU played them a few years ago. Big Sky?
I believe Dixie State just jumped to D1 in basketball this year
Yes that is all correct. Both will be in the Wac going forward.
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Played first game tonight against my son. He got bored at halftime, but 03 MSU was up 17-0 on 03 OSU.
Granted I scored on a 60 yard Woah Nellie play, and he got frustrated and went for it on 4th and 6 at his own 16 to set up my other TD. But OSU offense couldn't do squat. They only crossed midfield twice, once thanks to a 30 yard completion on 3rd and 12
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Played first game tonight against my son. He got bored at halftime, but 03 MSU was up 17-0 on 03 OSU.
Granted I scored on a 60 yard Woah Nellie play, and he got frustrated and went for it on 4th and 6 at his own 16 to set up my other TD. But OSU offense couldn't do squat. They only crossed midfield twice, once thanks to a 30 yard completion on 3rd and 12
I hope you made him cry
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The dice was unkind to his running game, and very kind to mine. Aside from the overly aggressive fourth down play call, it wasn't really on his play calling
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Played first game tonight against my son. He got bored at halftime, but 03 MSU was up 17-0 on 03 OSU.
Granted I scored on a 60 yard Woah Nellie play, and he got frustrated and went for it on 4th and 6 at his own 16 to set up my other TD. But OSU offense couldn't do squat. They only crossed midfield twice, once thanks to a 30 yard completion on 3rd and 12
Was too many runs for -3 or -4 yards to blame?
Many use a house rule of limiting the negative rushing plays to -1 yard.
If you have any feedback, I'd welcome it.
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A couple, but he had several no gains.
It was hard enough to keep an 8 year old engaged, so I didn't chart plays
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Ah, okay. Yeah, its probably a little dry for an 8 year old.