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Topic: #16 Iowa (3-3, 6-3) at Purdue (4-2, 5-4) Post Game

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#16 Iowa (3-3, 6-3) at Purdue (4-2, 5-4) Post Game
« on: October 31, 2018, 02:03:03 AM »
No idea where to start. Two teams down on their luck after last week.

Thank goodness, the weather does not include rain. That should benefit Nate Stanley. I am not sure it was rain last week rather than concentration and focus. He focused in the final drive, until he didn't.

Coming into this season I thought 9-3 was reasonable for Iowa, maybe 8-4, but I leaned to 9-3. With the schedule and the experience there was an outside chance Iowa would compete for the Western Division championship. But, I don' think that is reasonable anymore.

Will Northwestern or Purdue give Iowa its next loss? I am thinking Purdue. Northwestern is too busy preparing for Notre Dame, their once every 20-years 90-miles apart rival.

Purdue surprised Iowa last season. Iowa plays a lot like MSU, but this is a Purdue home game. Purdue has a good chance to win Saturday.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2018, 07:45:13 PM by ELA »

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Re: Iowa @ Purdue, Game Week
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2018, 08:09:06 AM »
We've seen what Good Iowa and Good Purdue can do when they're firing on all cylinders.  However, both teams have a tendency to hit the crapper after they've shot their load, so it's highly unlikely we'll see both Good Iowa and Good Purdue on the same field.  More likely, we'll see Mediocre Iowa and Mediocre Purdue this Saturday - I'm pretty sure this contest will be decided by single digits.  In other words, the team that sucks less will win.   Not sure who that will be.

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 10:08:58 AM »
Very interesting game for the B1G-W race.  Iowa has a better chance than Purdue but both need help.  

Iowa, if they win:
The Hawkeyes would move to 4-2 and own a tiebreaker over 3-3 Purdue.  They host 5-1 Northwestern next week so catching the Wildcats is within their control.  The problem is Wisconsin.  The Hawkeyes lost to the Badgers and right now both have two losses.  If the Hawkeyes win out they would win a tie with NU or lose a tie with UW.  In the case of a three-way tie between Iowa, Wisconsin, and Northwestern it would likely be decided by the cumulative winning percentage of their B1G-E opponents.  That probably favors Wisconsin so the Hawkeyes would still need Wisconsin to lose a game.  

Iowa, if they lose:
At 3-3 with a loss in West Lafayette the Hawkeyes would still be in the race mathematically but they would need all kinds of help.  

Purdue if they win:
The Boilermakers would move to 4-2 and own a tiebreaker over 3-3 Iowa.  They host 3-2 Wisconsin in two weeks so staying ahead of the Badgers is within their control.  The problem is Northwestern.  The Boilermakers lost to the Wildcats and the Wildcats have one less loss which means that Purdue would need Northwestern to lose twice.  It isn't impossible but it isn't likely either.  

Purdue if they lose:
They could still theoretically make it but for all practical purposes they would be eliminated.  

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 10:53:44 AM »
Good Purdue > Good Iowa... they're more explosive.   Bad Iowa>Bad Purdue... Iowa is fundamentally more sound and makes far fewer game changing mistakes.  

iowa has been more consistently good compared to Purdue as well.    I expect Purdue to play with a lot of passion, but Iowa to win based upon fewer key mistakes.   Good Iowa vs up and down Purdue.

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2018, 11:37:41 AM »
Good Purdue > Good Iowa... they're more explosive.   Bad Iowa>Bad Purdue... Iowa is fundamentally more sound and makes far fewer game changing mistakes.  

iowa has been more consistently good compared to Purdue as well.    I expect Purdue to play with a lot of passion, but Iowa to win based upon fewer key mistakes.   Good Iowa vs up and down Purdue.

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The Iowa @ Penn State game proved Iowa's Nate Stanley, at times lacks concentration and focus. Other times, he is great. Iowa can hang in with good teams because of its defense. But Stanley has to have a good game for Iowa to have any chance against Purdue. Purdue will score, and Iowa will likely have to score 31 or more to win.
The home team has the advantage.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2018, 10:36:50 PM by Hawkinole »

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2018, 01:16:03 PM »
If I were a betting person (which I'm glad I'm not), I'd stay far away from this one.  Purdue opened as 3 point favorites, which basically means it would be a pick-em on a neutral field. 

I think it's going to be a 27-21 type of game, but if Good Iowa or Good Purdue shows up, I can easily see one team piss-pound the other.

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 02:08:07 PM »
I'm surprised the Hawks weren't a slight fav or at least a pick'em

almost took the Hawks and the points and then remembered how fired up the Boilers were the last time on their home field

those fans are loving this
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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 02:58:53 PM »
This is the B1G game I'm most intrigued by this weekend. I think Purdue probably wins, by 3-4 points.
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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 10:19:21 AM »
I will agreed with all of that

expecting a helluva game down to the wire
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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2018, 06:45:40 PM »
Important game for Purdue's bowl hopes... 

Win it, and they can play loose and without a lot of pressure going forward, because while I expect them to get pounded by Wisconsin, I see no reason that they can't go 1-1 against Minnesota and Indiana. 

Lose, and it makes Minnesota/Indiana must-win games. 

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 01:02:33 PM »
Two items of significance:

1)  Rondale Moore is apparently slightly injured.  He had his ankle rolled up on in the game last week against MSU.  He is currently a game-time decision.

2)  I wouldn't touch this game with a 10 foot pole betting-wise.  The home team has lost this game for something like 20 straight years.

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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 01:58:08 PM »
I took the Hawks and get the 3 points
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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 03:05:12 PM »
#16 Iowa Hawkeyes (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue Boilermakers (3-2, 4-4)
3:30 - West Lafayette, IN - espn2
These two teams both had a ton of momentum at this time a week ago, and while trips to Happy Valley and East Lansing were daunting, wins were attainable, and could have really escalated the magnitude of this game.  Instead Iowa missed an opportunity, and Purdue's offense never made the trip.  So while nationally this game doesn't make the radar, I still think it's one of the more interesting offerings nationwide this week, aside from the few behemoth games.  The computers still like both of these teams quite a bit, even if the pollsters don't.  The Hawkeyes remain #12 in the composite computer rankings, right on the trail of #10 Florida and #11 Penn State for best 2 loss team.  Likewise, Purdue hangs on at #40, which is one spot behind #39 Missouri for highest ranked 4 loss team, ahead of some 3 loss Power 5 teams, including Big Tenners Wisconsin, Northwestern and Maryland.  While the offense needs to get going again, that feels more like a hiccup than an actual problem.  Although the health of Rondale Moore is a legitimate concern at this point.  Michigan State bottled him up, and it's no surprise that what followed was Purdue's worst offensive performance of the season.  Yes, he had 11 catches, but for only 74 yards.  His 6.7 ypc was his worst aside from the Eastern Michigan game, as were his 74 total yards scrimmage yards, a week after lighting up Ohio State for 194.  It was also the only time other than the Eastern Michigan game he failed to record a 30 yard play.  Sensing a pattern? Blough is good, Brohm knows offense, but this is still a program adding weapons, and right now if Moore isn't at his best, the offense struggles.  Now there's a concern he might not play at all.  But defensively Nick Holt needs to get the pressure dialed up.  He had a chance against a freshman quarterback making his first career start last week, and the Boilermakers let him get way too comfortable.  They totaled 1 sack and only 4 hurries against a struggling offensive line, and let a kid with a limited playbook, and down his top two receivers, work through his options enough to spread the ball around to 9 different receivers.  If Rocky Lombardi can beat you with that kind of time, Nate Stanley will kill you.  Last week changed once Penn State started getting pressure.  Stanley is as good as there is in the conference in a clean pocket, which his offensive line typically provides, allowing a conference best 1.0 sacks per game.  But that drops quickly if you get to him.  Purdue will have to bring extra guys to do it, so it's on Stanley to beat the blitz.  The pressure is also going to be on Purdue's tackles to do a lot better than they did last week.  A big reason Blough struggled so much is because Michigan State consistently got pressure with 4 guys, so he was throwing hurried passes into 7 man coverages.  Iowa is probably weaker in the middle of the line than Michigan State, but their edge rushers are better.  Anthony Nelson and A.J. Espensa have combined for 13 sacks this season.  Blough has struggled with holding the ball too long on third down.  At least Michigan State's pressure he could see, Iowa's he won't, and they will be seeking some strip sacks.  Purdue has looked like a different team at home, but Iowa looks to me like a better version of the Michigan State team that just proved to be a bad matchup for the Boilermakers.  They struggle some to run, but have a strong passing game, with a much better quarterback this week.  A defense that is elite up front and can both stop the run and get pressure with just four guys, allowing to drop 7 and force Blough to hit small windows.  But Iowa also has a better secondary waiting back there.  A bit better weather, and it's at home, so I think we'll see a touch more offense, but if Purdue couldn't beat Michigan State, I don't see them beating basically a better version of Michigan State.
IOWA 30, PURDUE 24
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Re: #16 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Purdue (3-2, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2018, 04:05:43 PM »
Part of Purdue's problem offensively against MSU is that Purdue kept trying to get Moore involved, and MSU sold out on stopping him specifically. Purdue has other weapons, but they kept force-feeding Moore and neglected the others. 

Purdue completed 29 passes, 11 were to Moore. Another 11 went to RB/TE. Meaning 3 other WRs on the team, Zico, Wright, and Sparks, combined for 6 catches to Moore's 11. 

They can't do that. If a team is going to single-cover Moore, or put a safety or linebacker on him, sure you should throw to him every down. But if a team is going to bracket him, you need to throw elsewhere to make them pay.

 

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