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Topic: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2020, 12:14:10 PM »
Did they look back at the previous playoff teams to see if they all fit into this group?  I suspect a few didn't.  Michigan State?  Washington?

But in general ...

"We" have almost penciled in Ohio State, OU, and Clemson, and you could then pencil in Bama/UF/UGA, and we're done.  Probably.  Maybe.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2020, 12:22:05 PM »
I was surprised by Clemson's rating as well.
Clemson's 2017 ranking drops them a bit, it was "only" 16th overall.

Every class since then has been top 10.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2020, 02:21:34 PM »
Clemson's 2017 ranking drops them a bit, it was "only" 16th overall.

Every class since then has been top 10.
They also get picky with some high-end guys that might have questions and don't mind taking a smattering of randoms.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2020, 02:21:56 PM »
Did they look back at the previous playoff teams to see if they all fit into this group?  I suspect a few didn't.  Michigan State?  Washington?

But in general ...

"We" have almost penciled in Ohio State, OU, and Clemson, and you could then pencil in Bama/UF/UGA, and we're done.  Probably.  Maybe.
It's not playoff teams, just title winners. 

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2020, 12:53:29 AM »
I know that Georgia was right there with Bama in 2017.  That NCG could have gone either way.  But then they seem to have taken about a half-step back.  Is it the case that Georgia and Florida figure to be right there with Bama in 2020?
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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2020, 01:34:55 AM »
Florida has a legit HC now and our talent level is getting back to be top 5-8, where it should be.  Once we get some OL that can run-block, I think we'll be an annual top-5 program again.  What we did last year with no running game was pretty amazing.
Georgia fans know we're on the cusp.
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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2020, 07:10:54 AM »
tough to have 3 annual top 5 programs from the same conference

but, SEC, SEC, SEC
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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2020, 08:10:05 AM »
You can be a top five team with two losses obviously, so it's not a huge stretch to have 3 from one conference, but it probably will be "unusual".

If Georgia can find a QB and OL this year, they should be very good.  Something was missing on offense last year, at least when their two top receivers were out.  Florida has the disadvantage of being paired with LSU in the West, if you think LSU is a bit better than Auburn, and to date they have not recruited as well as UGA.


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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2020, 11:19:29 PM »
I think that's one thing that gets lost in the anti-SEC mindset of the rest of the country.  Ignore the conference vs conference crap, just imagine being the HC of an SEC program and your recruiting class is like 7th in the country.  Great, right!?!  

No.  Not at all.  Your class is also 4th in your conference.  You're losing ground.  
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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2020, 09:43:31 AM »
Florida has a legit HC now and our talent level is getting back to be top 5-8, where it should be.  Once we get some OL that can run-block, I think we'll be an annual top-5 program again.  What we did last year with no running game was pretty amazing.
Georgia fans know we're on the cusp.
Dan's issue is he's not that much of a grinder as a recruiter and he keeps taking really talented kids whose heads aren't on straight. He always feels to me like a coach that can get you to that 95th percentile, but not to that Urban peak (weirdly, Kirby is in the 97th percentile, but there may be a UGA factor there)

That said, he'll raise the floor of a program, and with a high floor, you get close a lot, which is of course the best place to break through from. 

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2020, 09:48:02 AM »
I figure if you get close a lot, over time there will be a breakthrough.  The problem of course is we have three apparently elite consistent programs.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2020, 10:14:04 AM »
Did they look back at the previous playoff teams to see if they all fit into this group?  I suspect a few didn't.  Michigan State?  Washington?
And they didn't exactly acquit themselves well.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2020, 10:15:54 AM »
Well, I figure the list could be teams most likely to make the playoffs, as well as win the NC (something that can be luck as much as ability).

But we have a couple apparent outliers, even if they did not fare well.

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Re: 15 teams who can win a national title, based solely on recruiting
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2020, 10:24:19 AM »
Well, I figure the list could be teams most likely to make the playoffs, as well as win the NC (something that can be luck as much as ability).

But we have a couple apparent outliers, even if they did not fare well.
I think you can be good, but not great, but you get a couple bounces, a couple schedule breaks, and wind up in the CFP.  But then actually beating two teams of that caliber, back to back, you can't fluke your way to that.

 

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