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Topic: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game

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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #84 on: September 04, 2025, 12:26:02 PM »
You just can't get out of your own way,Michigan just munched on a Mountain West Team. But Underwood racks up stats vs one of them and everybody should sit up and take noticeM-kay, Mateer hasn't had an O-Line like the Weasels either,so Tamato/Tomato
hey genius, already talked about Underwood and what he's facing and how this is his first real test. Underwood didn't really rack up stats- he was just efficient, composed, didn't make mistakes and ran the offense and had handful of very impressive high level throws.

now I'm talking about Mateer- who if you remove his FCS game last year at Wash St he threw for 24 TD's vs 7 INT's and had 2 fumbles in 11 starts- 8 vs Mountain West opponents and 3 vs P4 opponents. Mateer is a veteran QB but he hasn't started that many games for a senior- and he's only started against three P4 level opponents in his entire career.

And Mateer won't have an O-Line like "the Weasels" this year either- OU has had serious issues on the OL the past couple years and they reared their head vs a bad FCS team. Could the OU o-line rebound in a huge way week 2- it's possible- but they will be playing 2 true freshman on the OL this Saturday- and I don't know about you but I never feel comfortable if my team is starting true freshman at QB, OL, or DT. QB because the inexperience factor- and OL and DT because well those are the grown ass man positions- and 18 year old right out of HS true freshman OL & DL are 99.9% of the time just not physically equipped to take on JR and SR guys in the trenches who have been in college S&C programs for 3-4 years.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #85 on: September 04, 2025, 12:42:23 PM »
Oklahoma 24, Michigan 21
this is my general thought as well. think it's low scoring and close- and OU pulls it out at home with the veteran QB by 3-4 points- something like this.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #86 on: September 04, 2025, 12:47:04 PM »
Hard to figure out what Oklahoma is under Venables. I guess also hard to know what Michigan is under Moore. Not sure any result would surprise me much.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #87 on: September 04, 2025, 12:57:22 PM »
Hard to figure out what Oklahoma is under Venables. I guess also hard to know what Michigan is under Moore. Not sure any result would surprise me much.
yeah, agree there is a lot of ways this game could go. and both coaches do have a lot to prove, but I'd say Venables moreso. He's been there 3 full seasons and in 2 of his 3 seasons OU was sub .500. They were 6-7 last year in Year 3- and well OU faithful isn't used to that and won't tolerate much more of that.

Sherrone just flat out did not have a QB last year on the roster that was startable. The QB situation was that bad. Davis Warren and Alex Orji were really that bad. And to pull off a road win in Columbus and beat Jalen Milroe and Bama in the bowl to close out the season was a big-time finish- and honestly still can't believe that it happened.

Sherrone went 8-5 last year in his first season and that was literally without a QB on the roster. The Texas and Oregon losses were very bad- they were really never in the games. But they were right there in the other 3 losses they had last year on the road @Washington, @Illinois, and @Indiana- if they had any QB play at all they might've won those games and been 10-2 and in the playoff in Moore's first year- like if Michigan had offered Cam Ward $4-5 million in the porthole last off-season and he was there QB that's probably a 10-2 team that's in the playoffs.

So while I do think both have a lot to prove- Moore has little bit more runway/leash- especially with breaking in a true frosh all-everything #1 overall player QB in Underwood.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2025, 10:52:26 AM »
Oklahoma has a couple players returning from injury, freshman LT Fasusi and RT Simmons.
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Re: #15 Michigan (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2025, 11:25:35 AM »
hey genius, already talked about Underwood and what he's facing and how this is his first real test. Underwood didn't really rack up stats- he was just efficient, composed, didn't make mistakes and ran the offense and had handful of very impressive high level throws.
Hey genuis stay in your lane - you had to blurt out "8 of those starts were vs Mountain West teams" ignoring your boys didn't exactly steam roll one of them. Glad we got that straightened out.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2025, 07:43:43 AM »
Ugly.  

Michigan’s OL needs work.  Piss poor converting  3rd downs. DB depth was an issue before losing Berry.  Michigan couldn’t contain Mateer or get to him fast enough.  

Glad they have two weeks before they go to Lincoln.  Hoping the coaching staff sans Moore can make something out of the hot mess.
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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2025, 08:04:12 AM »

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2025, 11:24:19 AM »
Ugly. 

Michigan’s OL needs work.  Piss poor converting  3rd downs. DB depth was an issue before losing Berry.  Michigan couldn’t contain Mateer or get to him fast enough. 

Glad they have two weeks before they go to Lincoln.  Hoping the coaching staff sans Moore can make something out of the hot mess.
I don’t want to be an overreacting person, but maybe Moore is the problem. Underwood is a freshman, definitely looked like one yesterday, but the also made the same type of gameplan for Davis Warren and made underwood look like Warren. 

I don’t know, maybe not run it up the middle on EVERY SINGLE DAMN FIRST AND SECOND DOWN. It drove me nuts ans difficult to watch, but at least the defense was good enough to enjoy one side of the ball. The defense has issues. I thought so after New Mexico and it was confirmed yesterday as well. DB is an issue and as much as I heard about the d-line all offseason, it got owned yesterday. 

so did the offensive line. The blocking schemes were weird. They knew you were going to run every play and you treated your o-line like running backs that would cut back and forth and they were also owned.

late in the game they finally decided to throw and move underwood out of the pocket and possibly give him the chance to run… but it was far too late and too much pressure. This game should have been far uglier if it weren’t for the turnovers and awful special teams play by Oklahoma. Offensively and defensively Oklahoma overpowered Michigan.

One final thing. The borderline targeting from last week truly ended up being a bigger impactful call than I thought. I took the stance of, well that’s technically the rule so I have to deal with it expecting it to be called that way.. then Semaj Morgan took a late hit that wasn’t called and was directly to his head, which you could see when he clearly had a concussion as he fell twice trying to get off the field. The play Justice Haynes got smoked by a poor decision by underwood is another I’d like to see a replay of which they didn’t show because the live play looked questionably high with the hit as well. Point being, if you’re going to kick the best defender of a team out, you better stay consistent when it happens to his teammate the following week and Semaj definitely took a targeted late hit and not a damn thing was done.

all in all, Oklahoma dominated and Michigan offense looked no different than 2024 Michigan offense and defense looked worse. Could be a long season as an M fan.

last thing, if I was a sooner fan, I’d be excited to cheer on Mateer. That kid is a perfect fit for that program. He was fun to watch. Still can’t believe a qb squats 470. They said it 12 times and probably because it is that impressive.

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2025, 11:36:48 AM »
  Hoping the coaching staff sans Moore can make something out of the hot mess.
M could prolly get someone to work on Underwoods mechanics seemed like he gives the ball too much lift instead of trajectory.Not sure who the WR was who made the over the back catch was.He had his man beat and BU seemed more to arm punt it,great grab by that guy though
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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #94 on: September 08, 2025, 10:04:19 AM »
Ugly. 

Michigan’s OL needs work.  Piss poor converting  3rd downs. DB depth was an issue before losing Berry.  Michigan couldn’t contain Mateer or get to him fast enough. 

Glad they have two weeks before they go to Lincoln.  Hoping the coaching staff sans Moore can make something out of the hot mess.
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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #95 on: September 08, 2025, 10:13:56 AM »
I don’t want to be an overreacting person, but maybe Moore is the problem. Underwood is a freshman, definitely looked like one yesterday, but the also made the same type of gameplan for Davis Warren and made underwood look like Warren.
I've been doubting Moore since last year. I really like him as a person and he's a hell of a recruiter and I want him to succeed. Having said that- I am getting some Brady Hoke vibes from him. He's suppose to be an OL specialist and well- the OL is too inconsistent in run game and it looks like absolute hot garbage in pass pro right now.

Two starting OL's got knocked out of the game and the starting RT Andrew Sprague is a RS Frosh who is dealing with injuries- and Oklahoma has a legit top notch defense and the game was on the road at night- so I do cut them some slack. Having said that- the offensive game plan did them no help- and if there isn't major improvement in the OL and in the scheme/play-calling during the course of the season- time to pull the fire alarm and get very worried. 

Marlin Klein being out hurt more than we could've imagined. He is the only legit DUDE they have as a pass catching option in the entire offense. Literally the only one. 

The WR's really, really, really suck. Semaj Morgan is absolutely awful- and a tiny midget with zero top end speed and dogshit acceleration for a guy that is 5'8, 175 pounds. Donovan McCulley is 6'5", but he is slow as shit and gets zero separation. He looks like he could be a great 50-50 jump ball guy and goal-line fade option in the red zone- but that's it. He's not a real #1 WR. I think Channing Goodwin will be a really good WR down the road- but he's a freshman and is a really good #3 WR at best after he's fully developed and seasoned- he's NEVER going to be a true #1 or even a #2.  

Michigan absolutely sucks at WR. They have to throw a trillion dollars in the portal or at flipping 5* Calvin Russell. Michigan used to have a STUD WR on the roster every season in the '90s and '00s. Time to get back to that. Underwood is too talented to waste.  

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2025, 11:45:15 AM »
 I am getting some Brady Hoke vibes from him. 
Yes. Exactly this.  Brady Hoke as a person, good dude, but, not an elite coach. There's a ceiling.

 the offensive game plan did them no help-
I think this is the problem. I think there was so much talent on the o-line (and d-line ) that Moore has been able to skate by in the past and last year it started to glaringly show. You lose Keegan, Zinter, Hinton, Henderson, talent at a high level.. add in great tight ends lost to the draft and injury and suddenly, your classic run up the middle, overpower and wear down defenses doesn't work, so you need to be sharp enough to adjust. They weren't. What's even crazier when I think about it today is that you didn't have a stud TE and you have weak receivers, you had a problem blocking and giving both the RB and the QB time.. YET.. you have a very mobile qb, you have Justice Haynes, Yu have Jordan Marshall and you have Max Bredeson. I don't know, maybe instead of trying to run absurd reverses, you line up both backs, add bredeson in the mix lined up as a TE and shift the pocket or run some options.

It's a tough balance to figure out. Was the Oklahoma defense that good? Was the play calling that bad? a mix of both. I really understand wanting Marshall & Haynes to have the ball, but use some brain cells and find other creative ways outside of run up the middle if your o-line is battling a lot of injuries and is thin and inexperienced. 

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Re: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2025, 04:42:41 PM »
From my Buckeye buddy:

Michigan tried running a Harbaugh offense when they needed a Denard/RichRod offense. Wow. That is spot on.

 

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