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Topic: #14 Michigan (2-0, 5-0) at Wisconsin (0-2, 1-3) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2021, 08:41:57 AM »
I think they need to go outside of the program for an OC/QB coach.

Unless someone like Scott T would have interest?

Maybe move Rudy to ST, get rid of Haering (useless) and hire an MLB coach.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2021, 10:20:05 AM »
Quote from: ELA on September 30, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
QBs, agreed.  Trenches, yes.  WRs, usually are.  Michigan has developed a ton of front 7 guys.  I think they've exceeded their stars there.  QBs, meh.  I agree, WRs are the biggest issue.  Their route running development is abysmal.  Is Harbaugh's unqualified son still the WR coach?
Definitely agree with you on a lot of this. And Michigan has been great during the Harbaugh era with front 7 dudes. And the development of WR's has been ass. They've had plenty of talent there, just could never get it polished up and could never develop a legit QB & passing game to feature the WR talent.

Harbaugh Jr. was never the WR's coach. He's always been involved with special teams and he started out as the TE's coach, moved to RB's coach, then moved back to TE's coach. He's always caught flack, but his units have never been the worst on the team or glaringly bad. Michigan special teams have always been pretty solid, and he's scouted/recruited well. He was the main recruiter for Zach Charbonnet, Blake Corum, Hassan Haskins, and Donovan Edwards. Haskins and Ronnie Bell were also his finds I believe. Those were a pair of diamonds in the rough with like no offers that Harbs Jr. found.

Michigan actually went DPJ's first two years without even having a WR's coach. It's like Jim Harbaugh is a retard or something and figures hey, we don't need to have elite coaches teaching WR's how to run routes and read coverages. Let's let them figure it out on their own.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2021, 10:44:22 AM »
Wisconsin favored by 2 points. Jim Harbuagh is 0-12 as an underdog. OH and Twelve. That is pathetic. Truly. Have a hard time seeing that changing. Dude is just a shit coach. Wisconsin wins by 1 pt on a crazy play- I'll say a blocked punt or FG attempt- in a low scoring scrum.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2021, 11:08:31 AM »
There is NO WAY Wiconin beats Michigan.

NO

WAY
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2021, 11:13:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 01, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
There is NO WAY Wiconin beats Michigan.

NO

WAY
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2021, 11:27:00 AM »
Gypsy. Heh. I've been called a lot of things. This is a first.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2021, 11:44:36 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 30, 2021, 04:38:43 PM
Well, it can be very hard, but that's why they have things like Elite 11 camps for QBs, like AAU ball in basketball, etc. It's why big schools will sponsor their own football and basketball camps, why former pros will set up camps (and invite recruiters), etc.

But it's also why there's groupthink in recruiting. I.e. if a recruit is getting attention from Bama and OSU but they're rated as a 3*, sometimes they'll get a ratings bump because the ratings folks suddenly think they MUST have missed something.

It's why basketball players who (for injury or other reasons) miss a summer of AAU ball often fly under the radar recruiting-wise because they weren't "seen". It's also why some players get huge boosts from their AAU success but then fall flat in real college basketball, because the style of play in AAU is all about scoring and not so much about disciplined team basketball. Heck, it's one of the reasons that Purdue has beaten IU in basketball for going on 5 years straight. IU often gets those AAU stars but hasn't excelled at putting together a basketball team, whereas Painter is extremely good at identifying high-BBIQ players who may not have the same physical gifts and teaching them how to work well together.

Recruiters are right more often than they're wrong, but it's an inexact science and always will be. Heck, the NFL draft gets it right more than it gets it wrong, but it's an equally inexact science.
I get that but I think the hardest part would have to be that since basically none of these kids have played regularly against equals it would be simply impossible to determine which ones will figure it out and which ones will not.  A camp is one thing but it is a few days or a week.  If you are slightly more physically gifted than I am, you are probably going to look better at that week-long camp but if our reactions are:
  • You:  I've got this, I'm the best here too.  
  • Me:  Wow, there are guys more physically gifted than me, I need to throw myself into learning technique and film study.  
Ok, who is going to be better six months from now?  

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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2021, 12:03:32 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 01, 2021, 10:44:22 AM
Wisconsin favored by 2 points. Jim Harbuagh is 0-12 as an underdog. OH and Twelve. That is pathetic. Truly. Have a hard time seeing that changing. Dude is just a shit coach. Wisconsin wins by 1 pt on a crazy play- I'll say a blocked punt or FG attempt- in a low scoring scrum.
Was he not an underdog when he collected his lone top ten win against Notre Dame? 
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2021, 12:05:04 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2021, 12:03:32 PM
Was he not an underdog when he collected his lone top ten win against Notre Dame?
no, Michigan was a home 1.5 point favorite day of.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2021, 02:46:00 PM »
back-up OG Nolan Rumler enters the transfer portal. He was the #174 player in the nation overall, #10 Guard, and #5 player in the state of Ohio in the 247Composite back in the class of 2019. A little surprising he hasn't been able to crack the line-up at all. Might've been a case of a guy who just physically peaked in high school and was beating up on a bunch of kids a lot smaller than him. OL is a crap shoot position, especially on the interior positions. That's why I say give me 4-6 OL recruits every single class and hope 1-2 of them per class workout. Most important position group on the team aside from QB & DL. I'd rank them in that order- 

1) QB
2) DL
3) OL
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2021, 03:01:37 PM »
Highly rated QB not working out?  Join the club. Probationary status of course.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2021, 08:09:41 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 01, 2021, 03:01:37 PM
Highly rated QB not working out?  Join the club. Probationary status of course.
But boy when the highly rated ones work out- they really do.

Vince Young, Matt Stafford, Tim Tebow, Justin Fields, and Trevor Lawrence all immediately come to mind.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2021, 08:20:34 PM »
Mel Kiper latest 2022 NFL Draft big board has Michigan DE Aidan Hutchinson as the #5 overall Draft pick. IF he keeps playing like he has all season, I think he'll be a top 5 pick for sure.

btw: I pray to GOD he doesn't go to the Detroit Lions. For his sake. Hopefully he goes to like Jacksonville or something and gets to play for Urban on a team lead by Trevor Lawerence. And I fully expect Urban to figure it out and turn it around there- he's too good of a coach not to.
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Re: #14 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) at Wisconsin (0-1, 1-2) Game Week
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