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Topic: #11 Michigan (1-0) vs. #17 Florida (0-1) Post Game

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2017, 09:46:04 AM »
You were right about D O'B but I wonder how he'd have done had Chryst stayed or if Bielema hadn't neutered Matt Canada from day one.
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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2017, 03:11:23 PM »
I really think Harbaugh talking up competition between O'Korn v. Speight is just that- talk. Nothing but hot air. He wants to keep Speight on his toes is my guess. But the job is most definitely Speight's. I certainly wasn't in love with Speight, he's got his flaws. But up until that injury he was a more than solid starting QB. And he's definitely shown in practice and in actual games to be superior to O'Korn. Pro Football Focus just came out with a graphic that showed that Speight is the best returning deep ball thrower in the B1G. One thing he does do well is throw the deep ball.

This game is hard to call. I could see Michigan being REALLY good this year OR really struggle to go 8-4. There is a ton of talent but it's young. How fast they mature will tell the story of the season. I really do think this will be the breakout year for the run game. I think Chris Evans and Ty Isaac are both going to have big-time seasons. I have a lot of faith in both of their abilities as players. I think with another year of development and experience and De'Veon Smith finally out of the way and not there to take up a bunch of useless carries- both will flourish.

And the OL just might be improved as well with Greg Frey there. OL coaching is HUGE. So freaking important. Michigan has the luxury of having two excellent ones in Greg Frey and Tim Drevno. That will pay dividends immediately along the offensive line IMO.

WR's are very young but Eddie McDoom is about as fast as it gets- that guy can FLY, Dylan Crawford was a top 100ish recruit in his class and DPJ is a freak of nature. Not to mention Oliver Martin, Tarik Black, or Nico Collins. There is serious talent there at WR.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2017, 07:58:42 PM »
IIRC, Danny O'Brien was ACC Freshman of the Year too, and I warned Wisconsin fans about him too.  Trends and momentum are important.

I've never trusted CFB trends and momentum because we're working in terms of years and games, so basically pretty small sets of data.

DOB was good, then bad, then unsightly bad. Then again, Russell Wilson fell 25 spots to No. 32 from sophomore to junior. Then no. 1.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2017, 08:48:25 PM »
I really think Harbaugh talking up competition between O'Korn v. Speight is just that- talk. Nothing but hot air. He wants to keep Speight on his toes is my guess. But the job is most definitely Speight's. I certainly wasn't in love with Speight, he's got his flaws. But up until that injury he was a more than solid starting QB. And he's definitely shown in practice and in actual games to be superior to O'Korn. Pro Football Focus just came out with a graphic that showed that Speight is the best returning deep ball thrower in the B1G. One thing he does do well is throw the deep ball.


MDot's in the house.I agree Spreight can heave the deep ball and the wide outs just might be up to snagging them.Be nice if JTB could throw 40 yds like that,Burrow has proven he can but Meyer is giving his boy a blank canvas.Good Luck to us
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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2017, 11:21:48 PM »
O'Korn won the starting position at Houston as a freshman and was AAC Freshman of the Year with a QB rating of 133.  Then Herman got the job at Houston and things went downhill for him his sophomore year.   My point being O'Korn has potential.

A QB rating of 133 in college stinks (mediocre at best).
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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2017, 07:53:08 AM »
A QB rating of 133 in college stinks (mediocre at best).

Not to mention it was achieved in the AAC.
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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2017, 11:58:01 AM »
Man O'Korn was brutal last year.  I figured they hype on him was over.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2017, 12:17:31 PM »
This is an interesting game I think in that both teams are pretty well regarded but both have many questions.  Neither is an Ohio State or Alabama that has proven they reload each year and just about never lose two games.  Both have apparent holes and inexperience, and obviously some of those inexperienced players might turn out to be great at some point in the season.


I wouldn't bet on it.  And it if is a blow out, I wouldn't say the winner is a world beater but I would tend to think the loser has issues (duh).  Like most competitive games, this may hinge on turnovers and critical plays that bounce one way or the other.


I rewatched some UGA games last night on youtube and was recalling how some critical plays went one way on not the other and turned out to be pivotal.  It's a crap shoot.  The ball bounces on way and you win, or the zebra calls holding and you lose.


It's sort of funny watching a football game where all the dead time is cut out and you see only the action.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2017, 04:17:36 PM »
Man O'Korn was brutal last year.  I figured they hype on him was over.

I do think the hype is over. I think it's just Harbaugh talking/promoting competition. I don't think Harbaugh wants to just hand Speight the job and make him think he can go through the motions. Speight was OK last year. He wasn't special. Not like he's Andrew Luck or anything. My guess is this is just Harbaugh pushing Speight's buttons to get him to work even harder to improve. Iron sharpens iron.

This O'Korn talk is just that. Talk. Job is Speight's.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2017, 04:22:08 PM »

MDot's in the house.I agree Spreight can heave the deep ball and the wide outs just might be up to snagging them.Be nice if JTB could throw 40 yds like that,Burrow has proven he can but Meyer is giving his boy a blank canvas.Good Luck to us

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The WR's are young, but they do have some size. Tarik Black looked really good in the spring game snagging the deep ball. Big, rangy athletic kid at 6'4" ish with good hops. He just went up there and snatched them like it was second nature. Nico Collins is even bigger at about 6'5". DPJ is every bit of 6'2" maybe a tick under 6'3" and he is hands down the best athlete on the entire team. Even as a frosh. DPJ- now that kid is a freak of fricken nature who can jump out of the gym- his vert is over 45" and he can run a legit 4.4 flat on an off day. I think it will obviously take them time to adjust to the college game, but the physical tools are definitely there for all of them. Can't teach size and leaping ability. All 3 of them have it.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2017, 04:30:01 PM »
Do college players who think they have a position locked up tend to "take it easy" and not work hard?  Do they need encouragement by a coach saying there is still a competition?


The teams on which I played everyone knew who was going to start and why.


I guess I'm not much on this tactic of motivating a player.

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2017, 07:07:01 PM »
looks like Vegas moved the line a half point after the news


Michigan -3 to -3 1/2

South Point is at -4. Treasure Island has taken it off the board.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/

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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2017, 05:30:14 AM »
In the house- guilty as charged. Lol.

The WR's are young, but they do have some size. Tarik Black looked really good in the spring game snagging the deep ball. Big, rangy athletic kid at 6'4" ish with good hops. He just went up there and snatched them like it was second nature. Nico Collins is even bigger at about 6'5". DPJ is every bit of 6'2" maybe a tick under 6'3" and he is hands down the best athlete on the entire team. Even as a frosh. DPJ- now that kid is a freak of fricken nature who can jump out of the gym- his vert is over 45" and he can run a legit 4.4 flat on an off day. I think it will obviously take them time to adjust to the college game, but the physical tools are definitely there for all of them. Can't teach size and leaping ability. All 3 of them have it.

If JH can get some quality blocking could be some fun times ahead(for M fans).Might wanna get the ground game up & moving how ever
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Re: #9 Michigan vs. #16 Florida Pregame
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2017, 01:47:13 PM »
If JH can get some quality blocking could be some fun times ahead(for M fans).Might wanna get the ground game up & moving how ever

I'm with you there. It's been a long time since Michigan has had great OL's. I think Drevno and Frey will get them to the point where they just replace and reload on the OL like a Wisconsin or Ohio State seem to do every fricken year. Gonna take a little bit of time though.

As far as the ground game is concerned, I feel like going into 2017 that this is the best depth that they've had at RB in a long time. Chris Evans added some much needed size as did Karran Higdon. Both of them were super quick with great vision last year, just a little undersized and not able to break the arm tackles. Higdon has a knock for hitting that hole hard and getting upfield and if he has any space he's gone. His problem was the arm tackles. He was just too slight. He's a smaller guy but so was Mike Hart- and arm tackles rarely if ever took him down. Higdon needs to build up his lower body. Same for Chris Evans- who was just a wizard in the open field at making people miss and finding space. And Ty Isaac has looked like a beast this spring. He's continued to transform his body and it's showed- and he's improved a lot in pass protection and ball security- the two things that really have been his achilles heel and kept him in Harbaugh's doghouse- because the guy literally has everything else. This could be his breakout year if he can put it all together. That trio is maturing and coming together at the right time. My only concern is that the OL might be absolute trash. We'll see. If Drevno and Frey can earn their money by coaching the hell out of that OL those backs will produce on the ground.

 

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