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Topic: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame

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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2025, 10:55:30 AM »
  I didn't get to watch as most of the day spent thatching out accorns and raking leaves and other items in the job jar. But caught most of it on the radio while raking it appeared that Matt Patricia was trying to force the Huskies QB Williams to beat his defense from the pocket by reigning in his running. It worked as Williams rushed 13 times for -28 yards as the Buckeyes held Washington to 61 yards on 30 carries. The Buckeyes sacked him six times(as many points allowed), three by defensive end Caden Curry, who apears to be coming into his own. And DT. KMac sounded like he had a good game also,not sure on the depth of this unit though.But a stout job over all as the DC transition from Knowles to Matty P. is going rather well. Specially considering the exodus of talent from last season's squad to the NFL and graduation

On the offensive side Julian Sayin completed 22 of 28 passes for 208 yards and two touchdowns.Mostly short and precise tosses,not sure about his downfield game. He passed his first road test without a turnover in a very loud stadium. Showing poise with more experience & entered the week as the most accurate quarterback in the country, and showed his success through the air can translate to the road also. He was able to lead the O on a couple of long, plodding scoring drives - that was encouraging. There is discussion on the boards that the Bucks have problems in short yardage situations,specially on the right side,seems there were a few missed assignments there. The RBs seem decent but it's a tall order replacing Henderson/Judkins playing now on Sundays. Over all I'll take it,baby steps,good team but young and unseasoned


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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2025, 11:54:23 AM »
Sayin really impressed me. looks like a young QB just getting better every week.

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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2025, 12:35:27 PM »
Yeah- Washington was dropping 7 or 8 on D pretty much the entire game, with the intent being to not give up any long passes.

Sayin took what was there.  Kid knows when to throw the ball away and when to just take a sack. Plus, he throws a beautiful ball. Very accurate and leads  the receiver. Nobody watched him against Grambling for good reason, but the kid throws a beautiful deep ball as well 

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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2025, 12:46:24 PM »
Yeah- Washington was dropping 7 or 8 on D pretty much the entire game, with the intent being to not give up any long passes.

Sayin took what was there.  Kid knows when to throw the ball away and when to just take a sack. Plus, he throws a beautiful ball. Very accurate and leads  the receiver. Nobody watched him against Grambling for good reason, but the kid throws a beautiful deep ball as well
I'm very impressed with him. only weakness I see from him is lack of size, athleticism, and overall horsepower in his arm. first two are bigger issues than the last imo- as arm strength is far less important than accuracy/ball placement/timing- which he seems to have all of that in spades. i'd much rather my QB have all that than a howitzer with none of that. first two might be problems- he's pretty small and he gives you nothing in the QB run game and cannot escape pressure and extend plays and make something out of nothing- he's a pure drop back passer with like 43 speed on Madden. if his protection isn't there/he gets moved off his spot- it's a dead play.

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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2025, 01:22:42 PM »
I'm very impressed with him. only weakness I see from him is lack of size, athleticism, and overall horsepower in his arm. first two are bigger issues than the last imo- as arm strength is far less important than accuracy/ball placement/timing- which he seems to have all of that in spades. i'd much rather my QB have all that than a howitzer with none of that. first two might be problems- he's pretty small and he gives you nothing in the QB run game and cannot escape pressure and extend plays and make something out of nothing- he's a pure drop back passer with like 43 speed on Madden. if his protection isn't there/he gets moved off his spot- it's a dead play.
Generally agree with one big exception.  He can rip the ball on a rope and hit deep throws.

he also has a quick release and a pocket presence that allows him to move around the pocket an avoid sacks.  Uncanny for his experience level. 
He isn’t going to much of a run threat. 

They say in HS  he ran quite a bit- and seeked out contact lol.  He can’t do that now. 
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Re: #1 Ohio State (3-0) at Washington (3-0) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2025, 05:56:44 PM »
Generally agree with one big exception.  He can rip the ball on a rope and hit deep throws.

he also has a quick release and a pocket presence that allows him to move around the pocket an avoid sacks.  Uncanny for his experience level. 
He isn’t going to much of a run threat. 

They say in HS  he ran quite a bit- and seeked out contact lol.  He can’t do that now.
Agreed. He's a very wise decision maker. The part of the game plan that was a very wise adjustment for the buckeyes was attacking the shorter part of the field against the Washington defense. Going deep wasn't going to work, so they picked apart the D with short throws and route running. It wasn't from lack of ability by Sayin, just Washington playing to not get beat deep. The adjustment eventually tore apart the defense.

Now that being said, I'm curious how Sayin would do if he has to come back and beat teams deep, under pressure or a certain amount of time. It helps to have a Smith and Tate out there, but that's the only part of his game i see as untested. First half looked like 2024 OSU against UM offense with Sayin 2 for 4 for 63 yards. Odd game plan in the first half and massive adjustment in the second half. 

I don't think we get a clear picture of 2025 Sayin ceiling until he faces the Nittany Lions. It's certainly high enough to ride a crazy good defense until then

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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2025, 08:41:41 AM »
PFF is looking more and more like clickbait and not the Almanac/Encyclopedia it attempts to portray itself up as.I'm not an anti-analytics guy, but I am becoming convinced that these people arent actually watching the games and rely solely on obscure metrics to dictate their grades/approval. But these findings are tough to defend

For instance - Brandon Inniss fumbled and lost the ball but scored a 74.2 with 0 yds. Meanwhile, Julian Sayin completed over 75 % of his passes,completing 22 of 28 passes for 208 yards and two touchdowns. His efforts earned him a Pro Football Focus grade of 59.9?Really - make it make sense.I asked AI for the boxscore and PFF clearly highlighted boxscore.They gave the score,the spread,the betting odds & the scoring plays but no boxscore(CBS produced one immediatelyby comparison).

 Here are some of the collective concerns 

- Front Office Sports reports that PFF has lost significant talent, which could impact its ability to stay competitive.

- subjectivity and potential bias of its grading system, a lack of contextual understanding of schemes and assignments, questions about the expertise of some graders, and the perceived inaccuracy or lack of nuance in their ratings compared to coaches' evaluations.

- Qualitative vs. Quantitative Data: Unlike purely statistical analyses, PFF's 0-100 grades are based on qualitative, opinion-driven evaluations of each play, which can be prone to bias and subjective interpretation.

- Mismatch with Reality: Players sometimes find PFF grades to be at odds with their coaches' evaluations or what they believe actually happened on the field, leading to frustration and skepticism.

- Misleading Metrics: The focus on detailed, micro-metrics can sometimes devalue a player's overall performance, such as focusing on pressures for a defensive lineman rather than the more impactful sack.

 Maybe it's me but that doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement - PFF are some slappies in a decked out basement rec-room pouring themselves cold ones & hoping those less insightful than themselves swallow this bilge whole while they make bank :D
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2025, 08:44:49 AM »
my eyeballs are better
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2025, 08:50:14 AM »
Blood shot but not blind like those rocks of journalism.Those frat boys need to finish the week end keg and maybe report back wednesday
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2025, 08:58:43 AM »
I do have corrective lenses w/ bifocals
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2025, 09:23:50 AM »
If you didn't you could go to work as a PFF analyst
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2025, 06:24:22 PM »
I don't need 2 jobs

job took me to the golf course in Omaha today, free golf, free beer, free food, .............  I can't afford to retire
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Re: #1 Ohio State (4-0, 1-1)) at Washington (3-1, 0-1) Postgame
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2025, 10:05:07 AM »
The crossesyou must bare
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