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Cincydawg

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2021, 09:44:36 AM »
The idea teams come out flat after a Big Win (or in this case close loss) has some merit but it doesn't happen all the time of course, so I wouldn't assert it as a certainty.

I'd be shocked if the Vols cover whatever the spread is, I looked it up, nearly 20 here.  I'd take Florida and give 20.  I had 37-10, the Vols might manage more points of course.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2021, 11:58:49 AM »
I never played football.  Played my fair share of basketball and baseball though.  My experience was that in basketball coming out flat, or inspired, or anywhere on the spectrum was a real, almost tangible thing.  Not so much in baseball.  I wasn't a pitcher, so maybe sometimes they are "flat" or not, I don't know.  I mainly played shortstop.  I was what I was from day to day, and it seemed to be the same for the other positions.  Batting....we had good days where it felt like we really had a bead on the pitchers, and other days where we couldn't hit a soccer ball if it'd have come across the plate, but it never felt like emotion....being "up for it" or not.  Just good days and bad days. 

I wonder how it is with football.  The teams certainly look like emotion or the flatness thereof is a thing.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2021, 12:07:54 PM »
We played HS basketball Friday and then Saturday, and I felt flat on the latter.  My legs were tired, I played every minute of every game except when I was injured.

In baseball, I did pitch, and my arm needed recovery time.  I recall some All Star games when I was a kid and was used in successive days and the second day was not as sharp.  We had some kind of innings limit back then, ten innings in two days or somesuch.

But this is physical, being "flat" after a big win or notable loss is more mental.

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2021, 12:26:34 PM »
Skip Bertman, for all the good he did for LSU baseball, probably prematurely ended the careers of a lot of good pitchers with potential.  He really didn't look out for their arms. 

I remember Ben McDonald when I was a kid, Bertman would send him out as the Friday starter, have him in relief on Saturday, and start him again for a while on Sunday if he thought it necessary to win.  McDonald wasn't the only pitcher Bertman treated that way.  Skip really blew out some promising arms on his way to the history books.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2021, 12:48:34 PM »
I didn't know it at the time, but I pitched the first game of our season my junior year.  It was cold and I was over throwing, I was supposed to be the stud pitcher that year.

The next day my arm was shot, I could not throw overhand at all, our idiot coach put me in left field, and I had to return the ball side armed, which still hurt.

Fifty years later, it's getting worse, and I learn I had a torn labrum.  So, since I pitch nowadays at fantasy camp, I get it fixed (which is an odd surgery).  I'm doing pretty well now, but my shoulder still has some deep pain and I can't throw like I did at 17.  If you ever watch a major league pitcher in slow motion, the arm angles are bizarre.

And unnatural.

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2021, 06:01:48 PM »
Yeah, it looks like something is structurally wrong with their arm when they're throwing.  No wonder so many end up as Tommy John surgery candidates.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2021, 06:17:51 PM »
But a lot of the things athletes do with their bodies would seem unnatural to me.  These people aren't physically like me.

When I watch football on TV everything looks normal, because all I'm seeing is a bunch of guys in the same category.  And the TV angles diminish some of the height discrepancies, like say cornerbacks who are 5'11".  

I've had really good seats at a few LSU games, one Texas game, and a Vanderbilt game when Florida was the visiting team (2008, they were NCs that year).  It's always disconcerting when you get close enough to those guys to realize how big they really are and how fast they're actually moving.  Shaq is the only high-level athlete I ever met and it's not really surprising to feel dwarfed by him, being really tall is part of his thing, you expect it.  At 6'2" I'm often the tallest guy in the room, but most of the college football players I've been sort of up close to are clearly taller and significantly bigger than me.  

Back in 2013 and some of the 2014 season LSU started a MLB named DJ Welter who became a whipping post for LSU's defensive woes.  He played "smart" and did everything right, but he was a definite weak link because he wasn't physically what you expect from a team like LSU at MLB.  You could see how outclassed he was when linemen got out to block him or a physical tailback came right at him.  Poor guy was just smallish and slow compared to everyone else, and seemed to lack elite strength as well.  I saw him up close at a game that year and he looked like he would kill me on accident if he tackled me. 

Tony Parker looked like a midget playing for the Spurs, and he's 6'2" like me.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2021, 08:14:25 PM »
Coming out flat involves a range of factors. 

Back when Carolina beat Bama, I guaranteed they'd lose their next game, even without knowing who it was against.  My friend looked it up and it was a bad Kentucky.  I still predicted they'd lose and they did.

I'm predicting Florida will come out flat because I still don't think the Gators are THAT good.  Win or lose, when you have that kind of game vs that kind of opponent (#1 Bama) and IF you played over your head, you don't just regress to your mean, you crash land to it.

I could be wrong.  The good thing is we'll find out.  Maybe Richardson comes back, splits snaps, and puts up video game numbers again.  Maybe Mullen realizes this is a run-heavy version of his offense and they gobsmack the Vols with 400 yards rushing.  

I just smell the recipe of a flat game.
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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2021, 11:58:43 PM »
I couldn't tell what changed in the game after the first quarter when it was 21-0.  I didn't notice any major adjustments by either team, but that doesn't mean anything.  I'm not good enough with X's and O's to look at coverages without a lot of pausing and thinking. 

I can't tell if Alabama lost their fire, shot themselves in the foot, or if Florida started doing something significantly different and better.  It didn't look like Florida changed that much.  Didn't look like Bama did either though.  Seemed like they just quit executing around the same time Florida started.  

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2021, 07:08:12 AM »
Sometimes I think the battle is mostly mental with teams like Bama. They have the game won before the ball is hyped because the other team doesn’t believe in themselves. 

Florida was not playing well in the first quarter but they were hanging in there fighting. Once they tasted a sliver of success and realized the run game was working things started clicking. I would ave loved to see the game had they not spotted them a 3 TD lead. 

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2021, 07:12:46 AM »
I admit I’m very worried about the Arkansas game. Our OL has not been good. They make a big deal about our starting QB Haynes King going down but our run game was non-existent because our OL couldn’t generate any push. 

We will need our D to hold Arkansas the same way they held CU because this will be a low scoring game. Hopefully they won’t be able to run the ball like they did against Tx. 

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2021, 09:09:37 AM »
I admit I’m very worried about the Arkansas game. Our OL has not been good. They make a big deal about our starting QB Haynes King going down but our run game was non-existent because our OL couldn’t generate any push.

We will need our D to hold Arkansas the same way they held CU because this will be a low scoring game. Hopefully they won’t be able to run the ball like they did against Tx.

Texas didn't sell out to stop the run and dare the QB to win through the air.  I think the ags' defense will. 

It's strange to me that so many of these TAMU-UA games have been close, and yet the ags always find a way to win.  I suspect we'll see more of the same in JerryWorld on Saturday.

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2021, 09:09:43 AM »
I agree Florida MAY be flat for reasons stated, I just don't agree it's a certainty.

I'd worry about Arkansas a lot this year.  I think they are dangerous and "pretty good", probably a top 15 kind of team. 

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Re: Week the Fourth
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2021, 09:12:04 AM »
I saw this from somewhere:



Arky could be a very good7-5 kind of team.  I don't now why Florida is so low.

 

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