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Topic: trending... who is and who isn't?

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Re: trending... who is and who isn't?
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2020, 09:21:10 AM »
I disagree on three of your four points. I think Kellen Mond is arguably the best returning qb in the SEC. I think Mond is a proven commodity.  I think Trask is overrated and is a product of Mullen qb whispering.

I strongly disagree about Mississippi State even with the Pirate at head coach. The previous coach didn't recruit anybody and they will battle Vanderbilt for the basement.

I do agree that Guarantano is inconsistent and will continue being a problem for Tennessee. I do like Tennessee's Oline and expect them to be better.


You can disagree that's what people do on message boards but the stats says it all as does their won loss record. 

 Kyle Trask at Florida is the best returning QB and has the stats to prove it.  He threw more touchdowns, fewer interceptions and has a QB rating 20 points higher than Kellen Mond.  He's a better QB under pressure if you've seen them both play. 

I rank Mond just a little higher than Guarantano at TN but not much.  Mond has a better supporting cast of players is the only difference.
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Re: trending... who is and who isn't?
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2020, 10:17:56 AM »
Obviously, the stats don't always "say it all".  The stats might say that Aaron Murray was the all time greatest QB in the SEC, followed by Drew Lock and David Greene.

Would anyone here post them in their top three all time?  Maybe.

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2020, 06:02:33 PM »
Obviously, the stats don't always "say it all".  The stats might say that Aaron Murray was the all time greatest QB in the SEC, followed by Drew Lock and David Greene.

Would anyone here post them in their top three all time?  Maybe.

Do you ever engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear?

Comparing two QB of the same time period and same year is a hell of a lot different than attempting to say who was the greatest in the SEC.

Of course you wouldn't know that unless someone posted a link to explain it to you.
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Re: trending... who is and who isn't?
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2020, 06:42:14 PM »
Ergo, "stats" don't say it all.  They are a factor to be considered, but hardly do they "say it all"

Most folks understand and accept this.

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2020, 11:19:03 PM »

I think there will be a lot of surprises because of so many questionable starters at QB for the predominately top teams. Texas A&M and Jimbo haven't lived up to the predictions because they too have a QB problem one that is highly over rated.

Florida is probably in the best shape of the top teams at QB one with SEC game experience so look for them to be to the team to beat in the East.

I think Miss. St. may be the sleeper because of the receivers they recruited and a number one transfer at QB.  They also have the leading rusher in the SEC for 2019.  The thing that may prevent them from being a contender will be on how good their defense is going to be. But with Mike Leach you better be able to put points on the board if you're gonna beat him.

If Tennessee continues to start JG at QB just expect more of the same from last year, inconsistency. He hasn't improved that much in three years so don't expect him to be much better.  If Maurer can stay healthy or Shrout has improved and Harrison Baily is as good as he looks on film then maybe one of the three can start and TN can be a contender in the SEC again.
I concur with many of your thoughts, but will add a few caveats:  JG has been inconsistent, but so has his coaching staff.  This is the first year he has had any stability and he's a senior.  It's also his second year with Chaney so I would not be surprised with him starting well and maintaining his consistency to a much greater degree.  I am not enamored with JP's offensive philosophy as I never thought it was a great idea to try to beat Bama playing their offensive style.  In fact, Saban has utilized more RPOs and spread formations.  I have been impressed with Kyle Trask at Forida, but they are not an unbeatable team.  UGA is still the favorite to me in the East, but this could be a year where Tenn makes strides over one of them.  They have holes in receiver, but their O-line will take over some games.  My only interest in Miss State is the pirate.  I love that he's in the SEC and was excited when UT almost landed him.  I see Mond having a better year as well so TAMU should contend for the West. 
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Re: trending... who is and who isn't?
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2020, 08:36:18 AM »
The best looking QB often benefits (duh) from a great OL and some great RBs, so he can pass with relative ease, versus a great QB hampered by lack of both and has to improvise on nearly every pass attempt.

It also helps to have some tall leapy WRs who make plays.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2020, 08:10:32 PM »
Obviously, the stats don't always "say it all".  The stats might say that Aaron Murray was the all time greatest QB in the SEC, followed by Drew Lock and David Greene.

Would anyone here post them in their top three all time?  Maybe.
Why would anyone suggest Murray is the best based on stats?  6th-highest in career rating.
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Re: trending... who is and who isn't?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2020, 08:40:29 AM »
Why would anyone suggest Murray is the best based on stats?  6th-highest in career rating.
Nobody with any notion about CFB would, but a casual drive by might.  That's the point, statistics often provide a misleading picture, especially when cherry picked.

 

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