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[Cincydawg]

Against real opponents, Tenn has scored 34, 38, 40, and 52 (which is a nice trend at least).

Against real opponents, Oregon has rung up 41, 44, 45, 49, and 3.  

But competitive games can swing on the wings of a butterfly.  That is one reason "we" enjoy CFB.

I'm reminded of a UGA season in 1975, I think it was, they beat Alabama 21-0 (in Athens) and were riding high only to lose to a mediocre Ole Miss the next week.  (Tenn won lose to UTM of course.)

We call these trap games now, and at times they are (not UTM, but if they were playing UK maybe).

[rolltidefan]

UT had its own miscues... it wasn't like they were executing as they have in other games... why? Bama tripped them, that's why.. and they tripped bama. 

fwiw, i didn't mean it to sound like tenn didn't deserve it.

i said it elsewhere, maybe here too, but i'll say it again... very peculiar game in which bama had no businesses losing that game and yet absolutely did not deserve to win (or be in a spot to win), while conversely tenn is both lucky to not have lost but 100% deserved the win. they were the better team when and where it mattered.

both teams had things go for and against them. from the refs, from themselves, and from the other team. bama was gifted a td by tenn from a miscommunication handoff. ut was gifted a short field and subsequent td from the baffling punt return blunder. tenn got a couple cheap pi calls on a late drive that took away ints. bama got a td from a pi "earned" from theatrics of our wr in endzone.

thing that bothers me is, yes the crowd noise caused problems and miscues, but those are also things 100% in your control. and we used to be masters of it. that hasn't been true last couple years, and that tenn game was worst of it. yet at least. it's fixable, but it's been fixable for last 2 year and for 6 weeks of this season and we haven't fixed it yet. it's just who we are this year.

[jgvol]

Against real opponents, Tenn has scored 34, 38, 40, and 52 (which is a nice trend at least).

Against real opponents, Oregon has rung up 41, 44, 45, 49, and 3. 

But competitive games can swing on the wings of a butterfly.  That is one reason "we" enjoy CFB.

I'm reminded of a UGA season in 1975, I think it was, they beat Alabama 21-0 (in Athens) and were riding high only to lose to a mediocre Ole Miss the next week.  (Tenn won lose to UTM of course.)

We call these trap games now, and at times they are (not UTM, but if they were playing UK maybe).

LOL ... using the terms Oregon's "real opponents" rather loosely aren't you?

[jgvol]

I think a team gives up 52 to anybody has issues, no matter what.  They aren't "elite".  I don't see Ohio State doing that.

You also don't see Ohio St. playing anybody worth a damn.

[Cincydawg]

Anybody would include bad teams.

Allowing 52, to me, is really bad D even against some great offense.

[jgvol]

Anybody would include bad trams

Wow....riveting.  You should have a CFB podcast.

[Drew4UTk]

why is it so hard to admit that UT's offense is pretty good? 

Bama allowed Texas 19 points... they allowed vandy 3, arky 26, and aTm 20.... and then UT 52... 

tennessee is ahead of tosu in total O by a slim margin, yet we're to believe how great tosu is because of their O?  who have they played?  meanwhile, UT has played and beat 4 ranked teams (at the time)- and one of them ranked #3 with a top ten ) and a top 20 D... 

meanwhile, top tier teams that have played UT, when UT is removed from that calculation, have a solid D. 

georgis's marque win thus far?  Oregon? who beat BYU by 21 (41-20) and the same BYU that lost to Arky at home 52-35? 

yeah, i get it- proxy scores don't work, but it's what we have all the same... 

the only teams in the top ten right now coaches poll that we know anything about for certain is Bama and Tennessee... MAYBE Clemson... every other one is popularity and talking head driven... that isn't to say they're wrong, because tOSU is a good team, as is UGA and Clemson... TCU may be and likely are.. but the one we can say for certain is? Tennessee.... yeah, i'm as surprised as anyone saying that, but it's so.  should they be #1?  i seriously doubt it, but they deserve the conversation and more so than tOSU who everyone just assumes is good and UGA who we're basing off of last year... 

bama has had a far more difficult run so far this season than tosu, and they'd handle tosu this season... and they lost to a UT that somehow beat them, but also beat the other ranked teams on their schedule including two big rivals... 

UGA hasn't beat anyone of note yet... neither has tOSU... neither has UM... but we know they're good... and nobody is really arguing where they're ranked and why... except some freakin' georgia fan wants to argue that tOSU is great because they have the second best O in the land (while not playing anyone with a pulse and who's opponents don't know where the end zone is) and something is wrong with Bama for allowing a team to hang 52 on them, when they've allowed 20 points twice and 26 points once this season and against against stout competition- the other three being shutouts or single scores. 

the takeaway: UT has a pretty good freakin O... that is the story, not "there is something wrong with bama"... else, there is something wrong with every team tOSU or UGA has played... wonder why that line of reason wasn't used here?  because UT orange burns the shit out of some folks eyes, that's why. 

[Cincydawg]

The Vol offense is excellent and very dangerous 

[Cincydawg]

In my opinion, an "elite" team, e.g., one in contention for the playoffs, should not allow 50+ points to anyone, ever, in regulation.  No other opponent allowed the Vols that many points.  It's a sign something is wrong in Tuscaloosa.  

[jgvol]

In my opinion, an "elite" team, e.g., one in contention for the playoffs, should not allow 50+ points to anyone, ever, in regulation.  No other opponent allowed the Vols that many points.  It's a sign something is wrong in Tuscaloosa. 

Look at all these non elite losers in that played and won National Championships.  LOL

• 2015: No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 2 Oregon 20
• 2016: No. 2 Alabama 45, No. 1 Clemson 40
• 2017: No. 2 Clemson 35, No. 1 Alabama 31
• 2018: No. 4 Alabama 26, No. 3 Georgia 23 (OT)
• 2019: No. 2 Clemson 44, No. 1 Alabama 16
• 2020: No. 1 LSU 42, No. 3 Clemson 25
• 2021: No. 1 Alabama 52, No. 3 Ohio State 24

[Drew4UTk]

Elite is a comparison of what? Awful?  How do we know either?

Elite Ds usually outweigh Elite Os, and take home the trophy. 

tOSU has beaten one team withba winning record- friggin toledo.  UGA has beaten Oregon who's not the Oregon of years past.  Michigan hasn't beaten anyone of note.  Tennessee has beaten bama, Pitt, LSU, and UF (which really only stands as they're a heated rivalry).  Clemson has beaten a couple teams with a pulse, as has TCU. 

If Elite is a measure of how competition has been handled, UT is Elite.  They may be the most Elite right now.  If we're to rely on our eyeballs and execution of assignments, UGA and tOSU are also Elite.  I don't knkw what the noise about UM is all about- except driving the prices and interest up in the last regular B1G game of the year... I'm not sure they're Elite. They may be.  Clemson, externally compared, is Elite.  However, they're not executing to the level they have in the past.  Bama has an Elite roster and Elite coaches and can play both D and O and our eyes confirm they're elite- but they've certainly not executed that way with penalties, and it's been proven the removal of their starting QB renders them mortal. 

I watched the bama game yet again last night.  There is nothing wrong with them while young is on the field.  They make dumb mistakes, but so did UT.  There was a point when the score was 28-20 a receiver for UT (McCoy) paused in route and missed a pass... there was nobody there to stop him.  That was THE turning point of the game which made it a game, again. 

Tennessee has an Elite O.  They were better than bamas d.  They played Elite last Saturday because of O... as they have all year... if they allow every opponent remaining on the schedule to score 50 points, so long as they score 51, what's the difference? 

Ohio state is BEHIND UT in total offense.. right behind them, as in #2... and they've played NO ONE with a noted D.  If UT swapped schedules? There would be nobody close to them in O.  The same bull shit UT haters use to prop up their teams os the same element that can be used to describe UTs reason for being there. 

UT WILL score 30+ on UGA if they remain intact.. maybe 40+... will they win? We'll see.  They gotta get past UK first, and then there is the matter of USCe and Mizzou.  Vandy shouldn't be an issue.  What will the excuse be if UGA allows them 50pts?

By the way.... UT let's off the gas when they're ahead at the end.  tOSU doesn't.  Neither does UGA or UM or Clemson for that matter. 

[Cincydawg]

I think we will learn more about Oregon today vs UCLA, who has had a nice season thus far.  At this point in the season of course, one can think Team X is over ranked, but it often is tougher to find Team Y to rank higher.  Oregon and UCLA are ranked 10 and 9, one will drop of course.  Is that too high?  Maybe so.  But everyone ranked lower has a loss except Syracuse (who probably gets one today).

I'm not blown away by Ole Miss but there they sit at #7.  Who should be there instead?  The good news is rankings at this point are just for Talking Heads (and fans who listen to them and worry about such things).  One can argue that nobody ranked has really played much of a schedule to date.  It's all imagery, like Michigan soundly beat Penn State, so they get ranked up as a result.  Iowa is said to have a stout D (and no O) so we'll learn more about OSU today.  The ND win looked pretty good until ...

I tend to look more at the second ten and ponder which team there might make a real run at the playoff.  Illinois is a surprise at 6-1, but I don't see them going 12-1 obviously.  

[MikeDeTiger]

FYI:  

I saw some Gump somewhere (I think here but maybe RBR) say something about the referee pumping his fists after signaling td for Tennessee after replay confirmation.

The same ref did the same thing at the LSU game in the same situation.  The guy is either a home-team schill OR that's just a thing he does after signaling TD and Gumps just gotta Gump.  

[Drew4UTk]

I was told there was some bammers complaining about the goal posts, saying they were too narrow... and evidencing it by the treasonous crowd removing them and throwing them in the river so they couldn't be validated.  

I guess UT spent the last few years missing kicks because of that, too.  

When it was 28-20 UTs McCoy dropped a pass that had nothing but sky between him and the end zone.  Jad that happened, I'm thinking UT would have ran away with it.  Ot didn't.  Oh well.