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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: MikeDeTiger on October 13, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
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why?
Well....I mean, there is now....
This game must not be interesting
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I think there would be more discussion if this SEC page wasn't a graveyard.
The game is plenty interesting.
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I am interested in this game.
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It all depends on Bryce Young's health. With a healthy Young Bama wins something like 40 - 30. If Bama plays the tight end at qb like last week reverse the score.
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Eh, not sure Bama is that much better.
They certainly did not look great against the other UT, and a last minute win against a 2 loss A&M makes me think they are overrated.
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My battered Vol syndrome tells me:
Bama by 10-14
I doubt we can run the ball, and have major doubts about our O-line holding up to Will Anderson and company’s pass rush.
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Eh, not sure Bama is that much better.
They certainly did not look great against the other UT, and a last minute win against a 2 loss A&M makes me think they are overrated.
winning by 10 isn't out of the question for either team.
with bryce, i don't think we're guaranteed to win, but i'd feel a hell of a lot better about it. but if our wr's continue the dropsies, it's not gonna matter if it's bryce, milroe, or tom brady.
if bryce can't go, we need the oc to come up with a better plan than they had last week (i'm not confident of that either). i'm not down on milroe like half our fanbase seems to be, but he was put in some bad spots, didn't resolve the issue himself, and became very gun-shy and mistake prone after. was like a snowball. 1 mistake led to him trying to do too much, which led to more mistakes, which led to him clamming up for fear of making even more mistakes, which was a mistake in itself.
and our players are going to have to protect the ball much, much better or it won't matter either way.
i honestly don't know what to expect. except a shit ton of penalties, cause both these teams like to see those yellow flags flying.
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good luck, tenn fans. here's to a good, clean game, no injuries, and no ref shenanigans.
and may alabama win, regardless of who the best team is.:)
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I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch. I hope Bryce can go, and both teams are as close to full strength as possible.
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42-42. wow.
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Congratulations to the Vols!
That was one exciting game.
It's great to see Josh Heupel having success at Tennessee.
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Unbelievable…..
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That took a lot of guts on Heupels part to go for the win with 20 seconds left. Good gamble I guess. Great game. I can't believe it's been 15 in a row. Crazy. I think about our streaks against good teams and we've had some 8-9 in a row but I bet it feels good to get that monkey off your back.
Now go win the SEC East and beat Bama again.
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That was a wild game- felt surreal most the evening.
Tennessee has had a bad run over the last generation... its not that Fulmer was great... or cutcliffe.. or chief... it was that the three of them together was a dang force. When cutcliffe left he broke that up and Tennessee felt it... badly.. they never regained that composure. That was 1999.
Sanders wasn't ready at the time to be an OC on that stage. Then, the attempt at what's became known as RPO didn't fly... and personnel issues we all know about.
I like heupel a lot- and he has brought excitement to the program once again... what he's accomplished there is massive and from outsiders looking in way underestimated.
He has beaten the two most hated rival in the same season and done it with names nobody outside of Tennessee knew before the season. He could literally sign a lifetime contract and name his price this morning. To Tennessee fans, that would be a small price to pay.
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https://twitter.com/BrentZwerneman/status/1581433945060581376
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i honestly don't know what to expect. except a shit ton of penalties, cause both these teams like to see those yellow flags flying.
called it, unfortunately.
edit to be clear, most were deserved. and refs missed some for both teams. though i guess i still don't understand what targeting is, but not sure it changes outcome of the game if it is called.
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called it, unfortunately.
That team could've set sail with the amount of flags they had flying.
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A surging tennessee and a bama team playing more undisciplined than I've seen them play under Saban set this one up.
The calls were bad. Holding by the OLine in particular. It was bad for both teams... and the only call I'll bitch about--- why? Because in bowl season these teams will play with crews that actually call those, and it will impact the game. Hugely. They get by with it all season long, and then play OOC with other crews, and can't figure out why they're being "picked" on...
I recall a bama team not long ago (under saban) that was called for defensive holding in the third Saturday of October, and for the rest of the season they were not called again. Not once. THAT was impressive- disciplined, well coached, focused. This team ain't that.
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Some people think the Tide would win a rematch should the teams meet in the SECCG. I'd still pick UT because Hookers tend to fare well in Atlanta. That's my thinking, anyway.
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I'm thinking bama is imploding under its own weight. I think Saban is losing or has lost the grip he's had since taking his first head coaching job. He lacks the focus and the team lacks discipline all season- his hallmark was and is discipline... professionalism... it ain't apparent on this team. At all. They still have serious talent and skill, and some players are still bought in- but it takes ALL of them, and that ain't there.
The next two weeks are crucial for not omly for this season but for their future. I see them crumbling as easy as getting their act together. 50/50.
It happened long before the UT game... its been there all season.
Ole Miss may just clear the schedule. The egg bowl is their biggest hurdle. Them playing UT in Georgia would be more entertaining that watching UGA play them... you know, golf balls and mustard and all... but, alas, it's UGAs to have unless they trip. If UT gets the UGA that played mizzou, UT beats them handily. They won't, though. They'll get the real McCoy.
Mizzou, UK, UGA are hurdles for UT. They drop one and maybe two at a minimum. They could easily drop all 3. The thing about "arriving", that UT may not know anymore and apparently Bama has forgotten somehow, is holding that momentum becomes harder, not easier.
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I'm thinking bama is imploding under its own weight. I think Saban is losing or has lost the grip he's had since taking his first head coaching job. He lacks the focus and the team lacks discipline all season- his hallmark was and is discipline... professionalism... it ain't apparent on this team. At all. They still have serious talent and skill, and some players are still bought in- but it takes ALL of them, and that ain't there.
The next two weeks are crucial for not omly for this season but for their future. I see them crumbling as easy as getting their act together. 50/50.
It happened long before the UT game... its been there all season.
Ole Miss may just clear the schedule. The egg bowl is their biggest hurdle. Them playing UT in Georgia would be more entertaining that watching UGA play them... you know, golf balls and mustard and all... but, alas, it's UGAs to have unless they trip. If UT gets the UGA that played mizzou, UT beats them handily. They won't, though. They'll get the real McCoy.
Mizzou, UK, UGA are hurdles for UT. They drop one and maybe two at a minimum. They could easily drop all 3. The thing about "arriving", that UT may not know anymore and apparently Bama has forgotten somehow, is holding that momentum becomes harder, not easier.
Dropping one to Mizzou would be akin to the 2016 second half of the season collapse and losses to S. Carolina and Vandy, thus eliminating us from the Sugar Bowl and dumping us into Nashville for the Music City. Ugh.
That would taint an otherwise magical season thus far. I hope that doesn't happen.
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The UGA that played Mizzou was truly awful. I figured that one was a loss until very late. Once you pull out a W even like that one, a few weeks later it gets mostly forgotten, usually, with a couple 55-0s. (Vandy however looks really bad.)
UGA plays at Lexington and I think UK has a pretty solid team when healthy. They also play at Miss State.
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i'll somewhat agree bama is "imploding", but i'll temper that with "relative to where we've been last decade or so". discipline is a major issue, but so is scheme. and it's been longer than just 2022. 2021 was showing major signs as well. going back to 2017, bama only had 4 close games, and all were either away or in the playoffs. 2018 - 2. 2019 - 2. 2020 - 1. enter ridiculous coaching changes (6 of the 12), and then in 2021 you had 6 close games. and so far in 2022 - 3 (of 7). one of the things saban's been so good at is reloading his coaching staff. but he missed on this current staff. saban is too loyal to fire anyone, but he really needs to clean house.
having said all that, bama is still good enough to compete with and beat the best teams. even vs tenn and all the mishaps that we had, we were a decent fg away from either winning or at least forcing ot. woulda, coulda, shoulda. hate those.
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UT had its own miscues... it wasn't like they were executing as they have in other games... why? Bama tripped them, that's why.. and they tripped bama.
How do you trip a team? The easiest is to take them out of their rhythm and comfort zone. It's easier to do that with an undisciplined team.
UT firing somewhere between 85 and 90% was enough to beat a bama team at 80-85%.. thats good enough for me as it is...
Anytime a game comes down to the last play or are in a contest the zebras actually can impact outcome- neither of those teams are substantially better than the other that game...
We've seen UGA gut punched against an inferior opponent and saw what happened... we've seen bama backed into a corner three times... we've not seen UM or tOSU challenged because they have a bitches schedule... they will literally cancel each other- one adding to the others legend when neither have done anything to earn it except tickle the fancy of some sports writers... clemson really hasn't been challenged. Not really so, anyway. TCU is out there and so is UCLA- tcu having much more to show than ucla...
Tell a tOSU fan that UT should be #1 and watch them spin into a tizzy... as if it matters at all this time of year. It does to them, and because it's ALL about appearances to "get them there"... perception is reality and other manipulational tactics offered like chants/incantations to minor gods that determine playoff placement... meanwhile... UT has more to claim than anyone else including Georgia... yet, most UT fans i speak to know better... theyre not there yet, but they're OH so close... closer than they should be...
It has a feel to me like that old cartoon where the sheep dogs clock on.. UT passing Bama and "mornin' sam"... one climbing and the other falling. I dont for a second believe that, mind you...
Bama has been based on "discipline, professionalism, and do your job"... st nick removed the very element that got UT that win and has them 6-0... thats the charge of doing something you didn't think you could and being out of your mind about it... and playing that much harder because of it... the danger with st.nick is he loses that as a tool to a large degree in getting his team "up"... the bad thing for UT is that kind of charge is almost impossible to sustain, as it's fleeting at its very core.
But don't tell them that.
"Fake it till you make it".
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The ball bounces oddly in contested games ...
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I watched the game again last night... first time since Saturday.
Saturday, I had a sizable amount of booze in me, and about 40 guests... though I watched, I couldn't study. I got a good look last night with the clicker in hand rewinding and slowing down.
I'm here to say... I'm full of shit. Bama isn't hurting, and though they played undisciplined they're still bama... Tennessee just plain beat them. A big part of that was the 12th man- the crowd.. the crowd was unrelenting and caused all kinds of miscues. Not just false starts, either.
Tennessee had a great game plan and took bama out of their comfort zone after the second TD.
There isn't a thing wrong with bama as I was to figure- they just need to tighten up a little and clear the season, thr CCG, and they're back in the playoff. If UT makes it to the CCG amd if they face bama, they'd need to haul at least 100k fans with them to do it again- or find another way to take bama out of stride to do that again.
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I think a team gives up 52 to anybody has issues, no matter what. They aren't "elite". I don't see Ohio State doing that.
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UT has done that to everyone except Pitt, the first road game of the season.. the 52 is more charge to UTs impact on O than bama's failure- though its a bit of both. UF gave UT hell, bit that's just what happens in that game... their success on 4th downs was the wildcard UT couldn't solve.
Tennessee will score on anyone- Georgia and tOSU, and even UM.. but will they score enough is the only question....
At this point and if played tomorrow and both teams at top of their game I'd see a 45-56 to 31-41 affair for UT and UGA, UGA winning... for tOSU, I just don't know. There is no basis in tOSU to measure. Same with UM except I'm all but certain UT would run away with it with them across the field.
That stadium got to bama. From the very beginning. That game elsewhere has bama by 10.
UT is gonna meet up with a team that has an answer to their same look stacked receivers, and when they do UT is gonna look like what they are- a team playing above their station. The thing about their offense is the more it rolls out the more evidence there is to unwind it, and better equipped defensive coordinators will solve it.
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Against real opponents, Tenn has scored 34, 38, 40, and 52 (which is a nice trend at least).
Against real opponents, Oregon has rung up 41, 44, 45, 49, and 3.
But competitive games can swing on the wings of a butterfly. That is one reason "we" enjoy CFB.
I'm reminded of a UGA season in 1975, I think it was, they beat Alabama 21-0 (in Athens) and were riding high only to lose to a mediocre Ole Miss the next week. (Tenn won lose to UTM of course.)
We call these trap games now, and at times they are (not UTM, but if they were playing UK maybe).
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UT had its own miscues... it wasn't like they were executing as they have in other games... why? Bama tripped them, that's why.. and they tripped bama.
fwiw, i didn't mean it to sound like tenn didn't deserve it.
i said it elsewhere, maybe here too, but i'll say it again... very peculiar game in which bama had no businesses losing that game and yet absolutely did not deserve to win (or be in a spot to win), while conversely tenn is both lucky to not have lost but 100% deserved the win. they were the better team when and where it mattered.
both teams had things go for and against them. from the refs, from themselves, and from the other team. bama was gifted a td by tenn from a miscommunication handoff. ut was gifted a short field and subsequent td from the baffling punt return blunder. tenn got a couple cheap pi calls on a late drive that took away ints. bama got a td from a pi "earned" from theatrics of our wr in endzone.
thing that bothers me is, yes the crowd noise caused problems and miscues, but those are also things 100% in your control. and we used to be masters of it. that hasn't been true last couple years, and that tenn game was worst of it. yet at least. it's fixable, but it's been fixable for last 2 year and for 6 weeks of this season and we haven't fixed it yet. it's just who we are this year.
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Against real opponents, Tenn has scored 34, 38, 40, and 52 (which is a nice trend at least).
Against real opponents, Oregon has rung up 41, 44, 45, 49, and 3.
But competitive games can swing on the wings of a butterfly. That is one reason "we" enjoy CFB.
I'm reminded of a UGA season in 1975, I think it was, they beat Alabama 21-0 (in Athens) and were riding high only to lose to a mediocre Ole Miss the next week. (Tenn won lose to UTM of course.)
We call these trap games now, and at times they are (not UTM, but if they were playing UK maybe).
LOL ... using the terms Oregon's "real opponents" rather loosely aren't you?
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I think a team gives up 52 to anybody has issues, no matter what. They aren't "elite". I don't see Ohio State doing that.
You also don't see Ohio St. playing anybody worth a damn.
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Anybody would include bad teams.
Allowing 52, to me, is really bad D even against some great offense.
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Anybody would include bad trams
Wow....riveting. You should have a CFB podcast.
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why is it so hard to admit that UT's offense is pretty good?
Bama allowed Texas 19 points... they allowed vandy 3, arky 26, and aTm 20.... and then UT 52...
tennessee is ahead of tosu in total O by a slim margin, yet we're to believe how great tosu is because of their O? who have they played? meanwhile, UT has played and beat 4 ranked teams (at the time)- and one of them ranked #3 with a top ten ) and a top 20 D...
meanwhile, top tier teams that have played UT, when UT is removed from that calculation, have a solid D.
georgis's marque win thus far? Oregon? who beat BYU by 21 (41-20) and the same BYU that lost to Arky at home 52-35?
yeah, i get it- proxy scores don't work, but it's what we have all the same...
the only teams in the top ten right now coaches poll that we know anything about for certain is Bama and Tennessee... MAYBE Clemson... every other one is popularity and talking head driven... that isn't to say they're wrong, because tOSU is a good team, as is UGA and Clemson... TCU may be and likely are.. but the one we can say for certain is? Tennessee.... yeah, i'm as surprised as anyone saying that, but it's so. should they be #1? i seriously doubt it, but they deserve the conversation and more so than tOSU who everyone just assumes is good and UGA who we're basing off of last year...
bama has had a far more difficult run so far this season than tosu, and they'd handle tosu this season... and they lost to a UT that somehow beat them, but also beat the other ranked teams on their schedule including two big rivals...
UGA hasn't beat anyone of note yet... neither has tOSU... neither has UM... but we know they're good... and nobody is really arguing where they're ranked and why... except some freakin' georgia fan wants to argue that tOSU is great because they have the second best O in the land (while not playing anyone with a pulse and who's opponents don't know where the end zone is) and something is wrong with Bama for allowing a team to hang 52 on them, when they've allowed 20 points twice and 26 points once this season and against against stout competition- the other three being shutouts or single scores.
the takeaway: UT has a pretty good freakin O... that is the story, not "there is something wrong with bama"... else, there is something wrong with every team tOSU or UGA has played... wonder why that line of reason wasn't used here? because UT orange burns the shit out of some folks eyes, that's why.
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The Vol offense is excellent and very dangerous
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In my opinion, an "elite" team, e.g., one in contention for the playoffs, should not allow 50+ points to anyone, ever, in regulation. No other opponent allowed the Vols that many points. It's a sign something is wrong in Tuscaloosa.
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In my opinion, an "elite" team, e.g., one in contention for the playoffs, should not allow 50+ points to anyone, ever, in regulation. No other opponent allowed the Vols that many points. It's a sign something is wrong in Tuscaloosa.
Look at all these non elite losers in that played and won National Championships. LOL
- 2015: No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 2 Oregon 20
- 2016: No. 2 Alabama 45, No. 1 Clemson 40
- 2017: No. 2 Clemson 35, No. 1 Alabama 31
- 2018: No. 4 Alabama 26, No. 3 Georgia 23 (OT)
- 2019: No. 2 Clemson 44, No. 1 Alabama 16
- 2020: No. 1 LSU 42, No. 3 Clemson 25
- 2021: No. 1 Alabama 52, No. 3 Ohio State 24
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Elite is a comparison of what? Awful? How do we know either?
Elite Ds usually outweigh Elite Os, and take home the trophy.
tOSU has beaten one team withba winning record- friggin toledo. UGA has beaten Oregon who's not the Oregon of years past. Michigan hasn't beaten anyone of note. Tennessee has beaten bama, Pitt, LSU, and UF (which really only stands as they're a heated rivalry). Clemson has beaten a couple teams with a pulse, as has TCU.
If Elite is a measure of how competition has been handled, UT is Elite. They may be the most Elite right now. If we're to rely on our eyeballs and execution of assignments, UGA and tOSU are also Elite. I don't knkw what the noise about UM is all about- except driving the prices and interest up in the last regular B1G game of the year... I'm not sure they're Elite. They may be. Clemson, externally compared, is Elite. However, they're not executing to the level they have in the past. Bama has an Elite roster and Elite coaches and can play both D and O and our eyes confirm they're elite- but they've certainly not executed that way with penalties, and it's been proven the removal of their starting QB renders them mortal.
I watched the bama game yet again last night. There is nothing wrong with them while young is on the field. They make dumb mistakes, but so did UT. There was a point when the score was 28-20 a receiver for UT (McCoy) paused in route and missed a pass... there was nobody there to stop him. That was THE turning point of the game which made it a game, again.
Tennessee has an Elite O. They were better than bamas d. They played Elite last Saturday because of O... as they have all year... if they allow every opponent remaining on the schedule to score 50 points, so long as they score 51, what's the difference?
Ohio state is BEHIND UT in total offense.. right behind them, as in #2... and they've played NO ONE with a noted D. If UT swapped schedules? There would be nobody close to them in O. The same bull shit UT haters use to prop up their teams os the same element that can be used to describe UTs reason for being there.
UT WILL score 30+ on UGA if they remain intact.. maybe 40+... will they win? We'll see. They gotta get past UK first, and then there is the matter of USCe and Mizzou. Vandy shouldn't be an issue. What will the excuse be if UGA allows them 50pts?
By the way.... UT let's off the gas when they're ahead at the end. tOSU doesn't. Neither does UGA or UM or Clemson for that matter.
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I think we will learn more about Oregon today vs UCLA, who has had a nice season thus far. At this point in the season of course, one can think Team X is over ranked, but it often is tougher to find Team Y to rank higher. Oregon and UCLA are ranked 10 and 9, one will drop of course. Is that too high? Maybe so. But everyone ranked lower has a loss except Syracuse (who probably gets one today).
I'm not blown away by Ole Miss but there they sit at #7. Who should be there instead? The good news is rankings at this point are just for Talking Heads (and fans who listen to them and worry about such things). One can argue that nobody ranked has really played much of a schedule to date. It's all imagery, like Michigan soundly beat Penn State, so they get ranked up as a result. Iowa is said to have a stout D (and no O) so we'll learn more about OSU today. The ND win looked pretty good until ...
I tend to look more at the second ten and ponder which team there might make a real run at the playoff. Illinois is a surprise at 6-1, but I don't see them going 12-1 obviously.
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FYI:
I saw some Gump somewhere (I think here but maybe RBR) say something about the referee pumping his fists after signaling td for Tennessee after replay confirmation.
The same ref did the same thing at the LSU game in the same situation. The guy is either a home-team schill OR that's just a thing he does after signaling TD and Gumps just gotta Gump.
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I was told there was some bammers complaining about the goal posts, saying they were too narrow... and evidencing it by the treasonous crowd removing them and throwing them in the river so they couldn't be validated.
I guess UT spent the last few years missing kicks because of that, too.
When it was 28-20 UTs McCoy dropped a pass that had nothing but sky between him and the end zone. Jad that happened, I'm thinking UT would have ran away with it. Ot didn't. Oh well.
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I was thinking maybe the fist-pump at the end of review was like a "Yay, my crew got the call right!"
...cuz, you know.....SEC crews....
He was too far away for me to see that live. I only noticed when I rewatched at home and realized it was the same guy.
Or--who knows?--maybe he's a secret Tennessee/LSU dual fan who covertly wormed his way into the zebra brigade so he could gently tilt contests in his preferred direction, yet despite all his cunning, he's still dumb enough to pump his fists in public to betray his allegiance.
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I've seen some people in the past complain about our H-style goal posts. Being too narrow is a new--and rather inventive--one on me. Maybe ours are too narrow and that's why Ramos' kick in the second quarter wasn't good. Could've beaten the bastards 48-20.
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I was told there was some bammers complaining about the goal posts, saying they were too narrow... and evidencing it by the treasonous crowd removing them and throwing them in the river so they couldn't be validated.
That is funny ....
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I'll say this, Mike, and not in defense or even charge- just observation.
We watch the officials hands. That's how we knkw what the call is and so we don't have to listen to the dumbass announcers on the tube, or so we can tell from the other side of the stadium over the noise.
Their hands mean something.
And the fist pump meant something too- and I'm guessing a signal to other officials in a language known likely to that crew... and... they may want to determine another signal better than a fist pump. It sets bammers and old southern guys off.
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Whatever it is, the fact he did it with us too in the Rebears game is evidence against a Tennessee conspiracy.
Maybe we'll get that crew in two weeks and he'll do it again confirming a Bama TD as they're beating our ass 58-3 like they're Florida and it's the 90's and Hatin'-Ass-Spurrier is exorcising his demons on us again. That oughta disabuse any notions of anti-Bama bias.
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Their hands mean something.
And the fist pump meant something too-
Still think it means "Hey...we got one right!"
They probably went to Shady's straight after the game to celebrate and tied one on so hard they stumbled into the Mississippi and later woke up on a raft halfway to Havana.
.....still better than Big 12 refs tho