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Topic: Texas & OU = 16 teams = pods?

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Gigem

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Re: Texas & OU = 16 teams = pods?
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2021, 04:52:53 PM »
Quote from: bamajoe on July 24, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
The biggest missing rivalry would be Alabama-LSU. It would be a tragedy not to play that game every year. I remember when the Texas-Texas A&M and Oklahoma - Nebraska games were staples of college football. Every change imo makes things worse.
If we went to pods then you’d at least play twice in every four years. It’s not like you would do now and play like every 6 years or something. 

If these schools accept the new schools obviously something has to change. Plus there is a good chance old rivals would meet in the ccg. 
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utee94

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Re: Texas & OU = 16 teams = pods?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2021, 05:02:30 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 24, 2021, 04:12:13 PM
It's not a big deal to me, but UGA-Auburn is the "Oldest Series in the Deep South", something "they" play up each time they play.  That is why they have been linked to date.

Maybe we should swap Bama and Arkansas.
Cool, then moving Auburn to the same division as UGA makes that an annual divisional game, no need to use up a x-div slot on it.
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Re: Texas & OU = 16 teams = pods?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2021, 09:41:31 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 24, 2021, 03:09:52 PM
Agree, I would choose to save and/or reengage all old traditional college football rivalries, if I were the King of College Football.

So if there were divisions instead of pods and Alabama-LSU became a permanent x-div rivalry (like Alabama - Tennessee is currently), what other x-div rivalries would need to be preserved if the divisions looked like this? I've put each team next to a x-div perma-rival but don't know if the OG SEC ones make any sense other than Alabama-LSU as you pointed out, and this is assuming going to a 9-game conference schedule, but I think most pod suggestions assume the same.

East                        West
Alabama                  LSU
Auburn                    Ole Miss
Georgia                    Miss State
Florida                      Texas A&M
Kentucky                  Arkansas
Vanderbilt                Missouri
Tennessee                Texas
South Carolina          Oklahoma



See, what this looks like is randomly throwing 7 games together just because you want the one at the top to happen.  
In a pod system with Bama and LSU in different pods, they'd still play every other year.  
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2021, 09:51:51 AM »
Bigger rivalries:
Bama-Auburn (Iron Bowl)
Bama-Tenn (3rd Sat in Oct)
Florida-Georgia (WLOCP)
Georgia-Auburn (South's Oldest Rivalry)
OM-MSU (Egg Bowl)
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Lesser rivalries:
Aub-LSU
OM vs Bama
OM vs LSU
Florida vs Tenn
Bama-LSU
.
Just some BS thrown against the wall:
LSU - Arky
LSU - Florida
Vandy - anyone
Kentucky - anyone
Carolina - anyone
A&M - anyone
Mizzou - anyone
MSU - anyone besides OM
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2021, 10:11:33 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 25, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
See, what this looks like is randomly throwing 7 games together just because you want the one at the top to happen. 

I get that, for sure.  We never tried to do that in the B12, but maybe we should have.

Saving NU-OU as an annual rivalry game would have been good for the conference.  And I'd have been fine with Texas being set up with some rando team from the B12 North as a fake perma-rival, if it meant preserving NU-OU.  At the time, it was suggested that Colorado-Texas be paired up.  They were the 2nd best team in the B12 North at the time, so it would have made sense to make that pairing.

Pods are popular talk on all of the message boards right now, for the reasons you're pointing out. But they don't fold as easily into the conference championship game, as would 2 divisions. How are you proposing to resolve the SEC conference championship, with a 4x4 arrangement?
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2021, 10:23:43 AM »
I read somewhere that with 4 pods, the conference championship could be a Final 4 of the pod champs.  I hadn't thought of that, but it would be awesome AND it's realistic, because it would mean more $$$. 
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To piggyback on that idea, maybe 10 years down the road, if/when there are 4 superconferences of 16 teams divided into 4 pods, you could have the national playoff be 16 teams - all pod champs.
The 1st round would be the conference semis, the quarterfinals would be conference championships, and then you have your final 4.  It ends up very neat.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2021, 10:34:06 AM »
The problem with pod champs comprising the national playoff is that like small high school districts, you could have a 5-7 type team who beat the other 3 teams in its pod.
If you didn't tie the conference championship final 4 into the national playoff, which would probably be smarter - you'd simply have a 4-team playoff of conf champs only.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2021, 10:53:03 AM »
In a 4-team conference playoff from pods, I could see the potential for many rematches.  Theoretically, all three games could be rematches, although in practice I expect that would be extremely rare.
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2021, 11:15:00 AM »
There’s already been lots of rematches in the CCG through the years. 2001 ( or 2002) Texas vs Colorado comes to mind. I know OU has had several rematches although I can’t remember any specifics. Probably because the 2nd game went about like the first. I’m sure the SEC has had some rematches as well. 
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2021, 11:30:43 AM »
There is no rivalry in today's SEC more intense, more virulent or more important than Alabama-LSU. Calling it a secondary rivalry is silly. Alabama-Tennessee is not a rivalry anymore and the Georgia-Auburn game might be the oldest but it has no characteristics of a rivalry. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2021, 12:45:24 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on July 25, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
There’s already been lots of rematches in the CCG through the years. 2001 ( or 2002) Texas vs Colorado comes to mind. I know OU has had several rematches although I can’t remember any specifics. Probably because the 2nd game went about like the first. I’m sure the SEC has had some rematches as well.

Sure, but that's when there's only one championship game.

In a hypothetical 4-team playoff for the SEC championship, there would be 3 games.  Triple the opportunity for rematches.  And theoretically, all 3 of those games could be rematches, though it's statistically highly unlikely.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2021, 01:13:40 PM »
Why should rematches concern anyone? The problem with the pod scenario would be ties within a pod. I guess that would add another layer of playoffs.
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2021, 02:23:11 PM »
Quote from: bamajoe on July 25, 2021, 01:13:40 PM
Why should rematches concern anyone? The problem with the pod scenario would be ties within a pod. I guess that would add another layer of playoffs.
I can't speak for anyone else.  They concern me because I don't like them, no more nor less than that.

i certainly agree that pod ties are another problem with the pod system, but that potential exists in divisions as well.


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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2021, 02:43:48 PM »
When the B12 decided to have a rematch for the CCG, I thought it was stupid.  In practice, I thought it was pretty good.  Of course it helps that OU was the big beneficiary.  Anyhow, I'm not anti-rematch anymore.
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