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Topic: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2024, 11:18:44 AM »
Anyway, congrats to the Sooners.  Wow.  Now that's an upset that I don't think anyone would have predicted.
I thought that it would be a slaughter that I didn't want to watch. So I watched the early goings on in Yankee Stadium. I thought that the Notre Dame team that lost to Northern Illinois might show up.

Meanwhile, my esposita was watching the OU game and I heard some happy shrieks, so I joined her in watching OU-Bama. I never saw that coming. Finally winning the turnover battle helped, but that doesn't fully explain what happened in Norman last night.
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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2024, 01:20:18 PM »
I think Ole Miss will roll the Gators, even in the Swamp.  They're playing really well now, with some serious talent, and Florida still is mediocre on a good day. 

Well I was half right.  Florida is still mediocre on a good day.  Ole Miss is not playing really well right now.  Should've known better than to trust a team that lost to LSU. 

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2024, 02:50:31 PM »
This is what I think happened. After Alabama got up on UGA 28-0 Smart figured out how to play Milroe.  He said after the game Georgia started out too aggressively and he switched to more of a read and react defense.  Alabama did not get another td until the game winner at the end. The other dcoordinators around the league saw what Kirby did and the Ala o was complete trash for the next 3 games during which Ala lost 2 out of 3 and could have lost to SC if the young qb had been big enough to do it in Tuscaloosa. For whatever reason, Missouri and LSU went back to an attacking defense which Milroe destroyed.  Venables played Alabama the right way and shut down the Tide o again.

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At any rate, congrats on a fantastic win!

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2024, 09:17:24 PM »
This is what I think happened. After Alabama got up on UGA 28-0 Smart figured out how to play Milroe.  He said after the game Georgia started out too aggressively and he switched to more of a read and react defense.  Alabama did not get another td until the game winner at the end. The other dcoordinators around the league saw what Kirby did and the Ala o was complete trash for the next 3 games during which Ala lost 2 out of 3 and could have lost to SC if the young qb had been big enough to do it in Tuscaloosa. For whatever reason, Missouri and LSU went back to an attacking defense which Milroe destroyed.  Venables played Alabama the right way and shut down the Tide o again.

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At any rate, congrats on a fantastic win!
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My non-expert thought last night was that the OU defense was pretty aggressive. They put a lot of pressure on Milroe. But they also kept containment, so he was never able to break off a decent run. He completed a couple of big throws early on, but not so much as the game went on. Maybe being hit often contributed to that.
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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2024, 10:16:02 AM »
Yeah, I don't think LSU's problem with Milroe was attacking him too much, it's that they have yet to keep lane integrity when defending a rushing QB, unless you count Vanderbilt.  They bit on every little bit of motion and left wide open spaces for Milroe to zip through, just like they did Reed, just like they did Lagway, just like they did Sellers before he got hurt.  

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2024, 11:28:49 AM »
Alabama is a very talented team, but they clearly run through Milroe's magic. If he's on, he's almost unstoppable. If he's not performing miracles, they don't have much of a Plan B.

We all look for those "overcoming the odds" stories, but in reality, OU losing their coach(es) and the majority of both current and recruited players to USC should be a real blow for any team. The Sooners aren't just "any team", and have the resources to recover, but it shouldn't shock anyone that the pathway back isn't pretty.

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2024, 12:01:51 PM »
My issue with that is the same one I have with Kelly/LSU.  For both that scenario and Venables/OU, this is Year 3.  It's hard to buy the "the roster was depleted" angle by this point.  I'm sure it was true for OU.  It was certainly true for LSU. 

They've had 3 years.  And as I've mentioned previously, this is an era where you can go down to the local Portal-Mart and immediately stack your team. 

I don't pay nearly so close attention to OU, but as far as my own team goes, the "O left the roster decimated" excuse that fans keep trotting out is beyond thin.  Why is our offense so stacked at this point--heck, it was even more stacked last year--but "the defense just isn't talented yet, O left a terrible roster, wait til he gets better players" line persists?  O leaving things in a mess doesn't explain why the offense immediately was rebuilt but the defense still isn't, why special teams is consistently a disaster year after year, and why the biggest problems we can see aren't talent or scholly numbers related, it's kids who don't know their job. 

"It's only Year 3" wouldn't even have worked for me back in the pre-portal era.  I ain't buying it for Venables/Kelly now.  They may turn the ship around--I'm not saying they can't--but there wasn't an excuse for what we saw this year for either team.  

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Re: Possible Upsets this weekend that would shake the tree
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2024, 02:14:00 PM »
I think where Venables failed was assuming that the offense would continue to hum, as if on autopilot, despite the departure of Heisman Candidate QB Dillon Gabrie, now at #1 Oregon, l and OC Jeff Lebby, now failing as HFC at Mississippi State.

We didn't have an experience QB to step in and run the offense. And our OC/Co-OC lashup of two former OU players (Seth Littrell and Joe Jon Finley) was a flop.

Meanwhile, Venables had rebuilt the defense, which has played well this season, despite the offense's ineptitude and torrent of turnovers. It hasn't helped that our top 5 WRs have been injured the entire season. Or that we had our 9th OL lineup Saturday night. But, against Bama, the offensive line seemed to gel, and the offense did one thing well--it ran the ball effectively and only gave up one turnover, a fumble approaching the Bama red zone on the first (IIRC) possession.
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