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utee94

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1134 on: Today at 11:01:38 AM »
So was three perma-rivals too many?  I suspect they settled on it, at least partially, because it then provides a clean 6/6 "other" teams to rotate every other year.

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« Reply #1135 on: Today at 11:02:55 AM »
We're probably more of a "big game" to several teams than what fans tend to think of as "rivals."

Well...."big game" might be generous given the state of things for the past few years, but there was a time.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1136 on: Today at 11:15:34 AM »
I'm fine with the 3 semiperm rivals, I judt acknowledge that  they won't all be real rivalries.  

And yes, LSU would be a Big Game for UGA because LSU has been historically a good program.  UGA happens to have three "real" rivals, I think that is unusual.  Some matches appear to be rivalries because they were significant more recently, like Tenn-UF.  One can define "rivalry" however, of course, I think it usually means contiguous states (or intra), usually, ND-USC is an exception, and a lot of history.

UM-OSU
UT-OU
Bama-Auburn
etc.

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« Reply #1137 on: Today at 11:15:55 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on Today at 11:02:55 AM
We're probably more of a "big game" to several teams than what fans tend to think of as "rivals."

Well...."big game" might be generous given the state of things for the past few years, but there was a time. 
More poor-mouthing from the crawdad.

Y'all have won the NC more recently than all SEC teams not named Georgia and Alabama, 13 of them to be exact. 
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1138 on: Today at 11:23:57 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 10:54:18 AM
Several SEC teams don't have a real SEC rival, it's not unique to Vandy.  You can list the "true rivalries" out there in conference on a page, not everyone has one.

USC-A&M would be first I guess.

Except Vandy does have one, stretching back over 100 years, albeit one sided for most of that span.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1139 on: Today at 11:31:21 AM »
The reason I don't view UT-Vandy as a rivalry is because it's so one sided.  But, it's arbitrary.  I rarely viewed that game as being more than a Jefferson Pilot.

We could view them in hierarchies:

Major
Minor
Maybe inside the state
Not really
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1140 on: Today at 11:36:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 11:31:21 AM
The reason I don't view UT-Vandy as a rivalry is because it's so one sided.  But, it's arbitrary.  I rarely viewed that game as being more than a Jefferson Pilot.

We could view them in hierarchies:

Major
Minor
Maybe inside the state
Not really

Well -- you defined it about 3 posts up:


One can define "rivalry" however, of course, I think it usually means contiguous states (or intra), usually, ND-USC is an exception, and a lot of history.

UM-OSU
UT-OU
Bama-Auburn
etc.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1141 on: Today at 11:44:05 AM »
Yeah, I didn't include all my criteria, which includes being fairly balanced and having national significance in many cases, to be a MAJOR rivalry.

USCe-Clemson is a very heated rivalry, but it has rarely has any significance outside the state.  UNC-Duke, the same.  IMHO, Tennessee has ONE real major rivalry, I'd then include Florida in the next tier because it wasn't always of consequence with much history, same with UGA.  

But lesser rivalries obviously are more common, Ole Miss- MSU for example, UGA-GaTech.  The latter COULD be of consequence this season, for a change.

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« Reply #1142 on: Today at 11:47:55 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 11:44:05 AM
Yeah, I didn't include all my criteria, which includes being fairly balanced and having national significance in many cases, to be a MAJOR rivalry.

USCe-Clemson is a very heated rivalry, but it has rarely has any significance outside the state.  UNC-Duke, the same.  IMHO, Tennessee has ONE real major rivalry, I'd then include Florida in the next tier because it wasn't always of consequence with much history, same with UGA. 

But lesser rivalries obviously are more common, Ole Miss- MSU for example, UGA-GaTech.  The latter COULD be of consequence this season, for a change.



As could be TN/Vandy.

And I'd say not many rivalries have national significance.  A handful perhaps, but 90% are regional.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1143 on: Today at 12:10:59 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on Today at 11:15:55 AM
More poor-mouthing from the crawdad.

Y'all have won the NC more recently than all SEC teams not named Georgia and Alabama, 13 of them to be exact.


I'm just making a point about how we're perceived by other teams.  I'd have to leave it up to them and their fans as to how seriously they take us.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1144 on: Today at 12:17:18 PM »
That got me curious, since I no longer know this stuff in real time and have to go look it up.

Since winning an NC in 2019--which, let's face it, was already a blip in an otherwise declining period under Orgeron--LSU has a .54 win% vs. FBS teams, and is 5-11 vs. ranked teams (Top 25) in the Kelly years (includes the recent, Kelly-less loss to Alabama).  

We're not in the 90's, but it hasn't been good either.  The current 2-4 SEC record is indicative of the wide gap between the other recent NC winning teams, and us.  
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