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Topic: SEC Front Porch

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utee94

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #770 on: August 24, 2025, 06:34:38 PM »

I thought I read the same thing, but thought I must be misunderstanding it.  So you play 6 of the schools one year, and the not necessarily the same 6 the next year?  Those epic match-ups where at least there is some continuity will be wiped out...like Johnny Football vs Bama in '12 and '13....

It just seems weird.  It's almost as if they want to intentionally change things up to artificially influence the outcome instead of just naturally letting the teams settle it out. 
Well the SEC office is certainly known for shenanigans in scheduling if they think it creates some advantage.

And I agree with you that it works better to play the same 6 teams 2 years in a row, to build up some continuity.

If they're not doing that, then the only other options seems to be to rotate the first 6 teams one year, the second 6 teams in year 2, then go back to the first 6 teams in year 3 but reverse the H/A from year1, and then finally hit the second 6 teams in year 4 and reverse the H/A from year 2.


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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #771 on: August 24, 2025, 08:29:48 PM »
There is literally zero reason to link Oklahoma and Florida.  Just another made-up, pulled-from-someone's-ass idea just like our pairing with LSU was in 1992.

The only issue with the trios is that some programs' ideal trios are all helmet schools.  That's tough on the schedule.  So the best way AND a more flexible way is to get 2 of those plus a weaker program you have played a ton in the past.

Texas' trio of OU, A&M, and Arky is fine, because Arky is a have-not.

Auburn's ideal trio is probably too tough - Alabama, Georgia, LSU....ouch.  So keep the 2 you must (Bama & UGA), then add MSU or OM or whoever. 

If you do this, everyone's mostly happy and isn't killing themselves on the scheduling aspect every year.
I agree with your take on OU and Florida being annual "rivals." The history of the two programs has intersected a grand total of twice. Both times in bowl games. And, as I posted earlier, Gainesville is the SEC campus farthest away from Norman, and it's probably true the other way around.

OU just doesn't have much history with longstanding SEC programs. 7 games with Bama, 3 games with Auburn, 4 games with LSU, 5 games with Tennessee, 2 games with Florida, 3 games with Kentucky, 2 games with Ole Miss, 1 game with Georgia. We've had 15 games with Arkansas, but only 3 in the last 99 years. We've had 31 games with Texas A&M, but the Aggies have much longer rivalries with Texas and Arkansas. OTOH, we've had 97 games with Missouri, going back to Big 6 days, so an annual OU-MU matchup makes historical sense, even if it has never been the major rivalry for each school. OU doesn't have a natural opponent for the 3rd permanent rivalry. Somehow, Florida is the choice that is being bandied about.

Supposedly, each of the top 8 SEC teams--as measured over the last 10 years--with have permanent rivalries with 2 other top 8 programs and 1 bottom 8 program. My source for this is columnist Berry Tramel of the Tulsa World:

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[R]eports about the SEC's projected nine-game schedule included the eight most recently (10 years) successful programs — Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State, OU, Texas, Florida, Texas A&M and Auburn — would play two games annually against each other. OU couldn't get both Missouri and Arkansas, under that scenario.

I don't know what metric is being used to rank the SEC programs 1-16. I did a ranking based on total points in final AP polls over the last 10 years and I got a list somewhat different than Tramel's.

1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. Oklahoma
4. LSU
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee

I guess we'll see how it all works out in the next 3-4 months.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #772 on: August 24, 2025, 08:31:39 PM »
It just seems weird.  It's almost as if they want to intentionally change things up to artificially influence the outcome instead of just naturally letting the teams settle it out. 
Yep. It does almost seem that way.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #773 on: Today at 02:02:02 AM »
It might be conference record or overall record.  Something lazy, I'm sure.

As for 2 consecutive vs the same non-rival 6 OR alternating years, I think I'd prefer alternating.  The continuity is with your 3 rivals.  You'll play everyone else every 2 years, so it's sort of irrelevant.

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« Reply #774 on: Today at 02:08:24 AM »
Hell, before they even start the rival trios, they should eliminate teams it shouldn't be.  Make a short list of 5-6 possible teams, eliminating ones that are furthest away and have the fewest past games against. 

For Florida:
The short list would be Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, USCe, Auburn, and Vandy/UK.
What it shouldn't be is OU or Texas or A&M or Arkansas, Mizzou, Bama, etc.

If every team had a short list of 6, the actual 3 chosen from those should be doable.

What we should not have is an OU being randomly thrown together with a Florida, a la LSU-Florida.
Florida had played Miss St more times, circa 1992 than vs LSU.  LSU had played Kentucky more times than it played Florida.
Shrug.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #775 on: Today at 09:13:41 AM »
I kinda do see a little logic in the 6 one year and the opposite 6 the next year. That way you play 100% of the entire SEC every two years. Not sure if I like that approach but it’s…different. With players moving around so much it ensures anybody who stays two years will see 100% of the conference. 

 

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