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MikeDeTiger

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2025, 09:52:36 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 25, 2025, 11:38:00 PM
Kiffin hasn't won a damn thing, really.  His average record in-conference is 5-3.  He's a name and he has fun offenses, but he has lived under the line programs like Florida and LSU expect to be above.  

Arguably, the best part about Kiffin and the mythos that surrounds him is his time as OC for other really good head coaches.  He's been part of some great teams, but you're right, all he's actually shown is that he's a great coordinator.  

One thing to note about Kelly.  His dismissal had as much to do with the aesthetics as the record.  We could've lost to Texas A&M--maybe even gotten blown out in the second half again--but if the offense weren't so inept, he'd probably still be here.  And in fact, his firing resulted from an argument he got in the next day with then-AD Woodward, not exactly the A&M loss itself.  Woodward told him to move on from the OC, Kelly told him F-you, I'm the coach and I don't think the offense or the coordinator is the most important thing that needs addressing, and Woodward didn't like that.  All that to say, it's possible to be as lackluster as we are, and not be fired.  But overall, yeah, 7-4 headed into the final weekend is not where LSU expects to be, especially with the NIL that went into this roster.  I think with a willingness to placate some powers, Kelly could still be here, but it's definitely correct to say that another year or two of this and he'd have been gone one way or the other.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2025, 11:00:29 AM »
I personally wouldn't hire Kiffin, ever, for anything, even OC.

Get a DC somewhere, pay him $3.78 million x 5 years, save money, he might be really good.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2025, 11:06:27 AM »
Some fans want Kelvin Sheppard, a former LSU linebacker who is a pretty new DC for the Detroit Lions.  Insiders say they know for sure he would take the HC job if offered, but I don't think LSU would ever seriously entertain a move like that.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2025, 11:27:48 AM »
I'd look at how many expensive HC hires have worked out over the past 20 years vs how many inexpensive hires of DCs/OCs have worked out for a third the price.

Look at the former assistants now doing well as HCs, Smart, Lanning, many others, vs all the HCs poached away now getting paid not to coach.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2025, 12:14:37 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 26, 2025, 11:27:48 AM
I'd look at how many expensive HC hires have worked out over the past 20 years vs how many inexpensive hires of DCs/OCs have worked out for a third the price.

I generally agree, BUT this is akin to the "more All-Americans were 3* and 4* compared to blue chip guys."
Yeah.......but there are way more of those guys.  The list of huge-contract HCs is far smaller than the alternative.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2025, 12:55:02 PM »
I'd look at percentages, not raw numbers.  How many coordinators have worked out vs how many poached HCs, as a percentage, knowing the $$$$ amont would be different by a lot.

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2025, 03:48:56 PM »
FWIW, many sites are reporting that Alex Golesh of USF is going to be the next HFC at Arkansas.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2025, 11:29:15 AM »
I think I got the details wrong about that ill-fated conversation conversation between Scott Woodward and Brian Kelly.  I think the correct version is Woodward told Kelly to move on from OL coach Brad Davis, pronto, and Kelly wouldn't do it, saying instead the most pressing need was to get rid of OC Sloan asap. 

The dumb part is they were both right, both Davis and Sloan needed to be fired.  Instead of recognizing that and having a civil conversation, they yelled a lot, Woodward fired Kelly, and then the next day the board fired Woodward, apparently at the governor's behest.  

Sounds like two hotheads that are out on their asses, as they deserved, except that somehow the board still looks like petty, sycophantic, a-holes.  Welcome to Louisiana, where everybody gets it wrong.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2025, 01:20:41 PM »
All the coverage on Kiffin is stupid and embarrassing.  Making declarative, click-bait statements and headlines, when all we have to do is wait for Kiffin himself to say what he's going to do.  

Why isn't our society better than this?  
Just wait.  Stop guessing.  Stop pretending you have any better sources than anyone else.

Can we all just grow up?  FFS
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2025, 12:33:13 PM »
So we got a guy with the same, exact resume as Napier, but for half the cost of Kiffin. 
Also, the PHI Eagles personnel guy is our GM now.  

Just win, please.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2025, 05:15:01 PM »
Kiffin--ptui!
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2025, 09:24:10 AM »
all this image repair he’s been doing has been smoke & mirrors. the stories coming out now are wild if even a fraction of them are true. i hesitate to definitively predict it won’t work bc he did well at om in spite of his degenerate qualities but there’s real scrutiny at lsu that he didn’t have at om & they aren’t going to pander to him.

i think if i’m a fla fan rn i’m perfectly fine with how this played out.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2025, 09:32:49 AM »
Have there been this many HC openings in the SEC before ever, pro rated?
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2025, 10:03:01 AM »
This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing.  Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.  

Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge.  LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not.  I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.  

fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes.  Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.  
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