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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2019, 11:40:21 AM »
More concerning than the guys we're missing on D is that WR Marshall is out for a while.  There's definitely other guys who physically fit the profile, but there's just something "extra" about that unit when Jefferson, Chase, and Marshall are all on the field at the same time.  Can't cover three guys like that all at once.  Jefferson and Chase are still Jefferson and Chase, but it hasn't been the same since Marshall broke his foot.  Other guys have catches in his place, but it's not the same stress on a defense.  There's a sort of chemistry those three appeared to have together and with Burrow that probably can't be replaced.  

Against a pass defense like Florida, I'd rather have Marshall back and healthy than any of the guys on D.  

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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2019, 12:50:25 PM »
I put my faith in some random guy wearing an LSU hat.

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2019, 01:53:27 PM »
At least he's realistic.  I've seen some LSU fans who think we're going to win like 42-17.  

I guess that could happen if Florida does a lot of dumb stuff (see:  Auburn) and LSU plays a perfect game, but a good contest, relatively low scoring, with some sloppiness and turnovers seems like a safer bet.  Also fits more with the history of this series.  

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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2019, 06:50:34 AM »
I chat with him because he is realistic (in my experience).  He's on the heavy side and is just walking, but he's out there walking.  He likes to talk football but seems not to know much outside LSU and who they are playing.  And yes, Florida could turn the ball over 4 times to 1 and it could get out of hand.  And that could bounce the other way.

I'm interested in how well the Gators are able to generate some offense.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2019, 08:49:40 AM »
While tracking defensive numbers for a formula I do and write about on another site, I noticed Florida has 12 INTs through their first 5 games.  That's outstanding.  Not sure about their schedule, but that's good regardless.  

I wonder why their fans keep saying they can't run the ball.  Perine had 130 and a TD against Auburn.  Auburn's front is legit and their line is likely better than LSU's.  

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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2019, 09:51:57 AM »
I recall Perine had one long run to finish, right?  Otherwise he might have been mostly contained for the day.

I figure turnovers are more random things than something a team can really emphasize.  If you have one great cover corner, the other team usually doesn't throw that way.


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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2019, 06:04:58 PM »
Florida hasn't gotten any kind of consistent push in the running game all year, including against FCS teams.  Perine had an 88 yarder, otherwise he had like 20 carries for 50 yards.



Florida uses the run as a change-up only.  Not expecting to get yards, but doing it solely to keep the defense honest.  That's what impressed me so much about Mullen and the play-calling - being willing to call enough runs, knowing they're unlikely to yield the yardage you want - just to keep things going.  
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2019, 12:28:29 AM »
Not the game I expected, although the score was ballpark.  I figured Florida would harass Burrow more and that LSU would not allow so many sustained drives.  

We don't have the pass rush to be an NC caliber team, but I like everything else about this team so far. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2019, 12:48:46 AM »
that one was wide open, huh?

what i like most about both of these teams is they don't seem to stop playing when it looks as if the play is over.  they dig in and press.  that is the way it's supposed to be played, but in today's hurry up it seems as if teams are more want to go down and get back up and to the LoS to start again than they are to fight through.  

All said, though, i still don't have either team pegged.  UF is perhaps better than I thought, and improving as they weren't as sloppy the last two weeks.  LSU is holding steady and they're as good as i figure- which is contingent on UF's D being as good as i think too.. but back to that "not sure about either" thing.  

i flipped around between the Iowa/PSU game and the USC/ND game.... and this after watching parts of the RRSO and UGA/USCe, and Bama/aTm... who in the world would ever have thought watching the B1G would be more like watching early century SEC and the SEC more like watching '05-'15 or so BigXII?  and the ACC? Horrid, except for Clemson they don't know how to score- and then I watched some of the UL/WFU game, and it turns out? they do... 

My personal opinion right now has LSU in the lower third of the top tier handily... 

1- Bama +/- tOSU, Clemson, 
2- OU, LSU +/- Wisconsin
3- UGA, UF, Texas, ND +/- Auburn 

that would be my top ten... i'll be accused of being an SEC homer, but... it's not like i'd have any love for the west.  LSU sharing space with Wisconsin is a good thing. I'm thinking Wiscy is really that good this season. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2019, 01:24:35 AM »
Yeah, I think Florida's defense isn't a good as advertised, but the team, overall, is better.  The Gators weren't getting a lot of respect, aside from the defense.  

It would have been fun if we tied it up at 35.....
Good effort by both sides.  They were a little chippy, but these are big-boy teams.  Losing Greenard stunk.  No idea how we allowed those big runs over and over - that was from out of nowhere.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2019, 01:26:01 AM »


that would be my top ten... i'll be accused of being an SEC homer, but... it's not like i'd have any love for the west.  LSU sharing space with Wisconsin is a good thing. I'm thinking Wiscy is really that good this season.
Yeah, if you removed the helmets and names from the teams and there were no preseason rankings, Wisconsin would be ranked #1 and it wouldn't be close.  
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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2019, 10:32:14 AM »
I'd flip OU up to the top tier, and Clemson down.  OU appears to play defense now, which....giving Lincoln Riley a defense really ought to be illegal.  Clemson just doesn't move me until further notice.  Thrashing FSU is nice, but I mean c'mon...FSU is a name only at this point.  

I'm sure not having Greenard most of the game was a definite minus for Florida, but that's likely still a very good defense.  The coverage in particular was by far the best LSU has seen this year.  Unless you've poured over the film this year (and why would you if you're not an LSU fan) you might miss in the back and forth that this was BY FAR the hardest LSU has worked for its yards and points to date.  They had to mix the playcalling more by necessity, and had to work their way down the field for basically the first time this year.  

I think Florida has some depth issues, but the starting defense is still very good imo.  Our OL did well and while Grantham didn't blitz as much as his reputation, they did at times but the OL picked it up each time.  0 sacks allowed and 0 QB hurries allowed against Florida is good.  Punting only twice against Florida is good.  

I'm not even mad at the tackling or coverage.  Trask is just better than I expected.  He and the receivers just made plays.  The only cure for guys like that is a superb pass rush, and we just don't have it.  I know LSU fans, pundits and internet doofuses like us will talk a lot about LSU's "suspect pass defense" but honestly, just watch the film.  They've cleaned up a lot of tackling woes from the Texas game and they almost always have as good of position/coverage as you could ask for.  We just don't have the pass rush to help them out and a good QB and good receivers are going to win some plays with enough time.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  LSU is just an elite pass rush away from being as good as anybody.  

We'll see how UGA responds to this weekend, but I've been slowly losing some confidence in them.  Not enough to make them not the favorites in the east, but Florida's stock is rising after last night.  They went toe to toe with a very good LSU team in a hostile environment, really the game hinged on about two plays LSU made that Florida could not.  Stingley's INT and a goal line stand is what separated this game from covering the spread to being tied and going to OT.  The Cocktail Party is shaping up to be great.  Maybe between now and then Kirby Smart will remember that he has one of the best QBs on his roster and start being more aggressive.  I would've thought that after UGA's recent games against Alabama, holding leads and trying to sit on them late, Smart would've abandoned that philosophy and adopted a more aggressive "hell with you, we're gonna keep coming" mentality, but UGA so far seems determined to slow the game down, minimize the number of plays (WHY? when you have better recruits and Jake Fromm, go ahead and maximize the number of plays to lessen the chances of a something wonky happening) and take a "safe" approach.  I just don't think that's the era we're in right now with the SEC.  

Mullen didn't play it safe last night, he went for it nearly every chance he could, however that looked, and UF may be gaining ground on UGA simply by nature of the game right now.  

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Re: Florida @ LSU
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2019, 11:01:58 AM »
One thing that pops out to me on LSU is the defensive side. Dave Aranda's crew is giving up a lot more points than I'm used to seeing.

What's going on there?
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2019, 11:03:31 AM »
Yeah, if you removed the helmets and names from the teams and there were no preseason rankings, Wisconsin would be ranked #1 and it wouldn't be close. 
Ohio State in Columbus looms in 2 weeks, and they can't afford any letdown at Illinois this week.

I'm starting to believe in them. They look really good, especially on defense. Kudos to Jimmy Leonhard.
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