Thanks for the correction. But I also think those Indiana and Illinois games prevented the Coaches Poll from giving Penn State a piece of the NC.No doubt about that. Of course the other thing that hurt Penn State was that this happened during the BCA (remember that) era.
Are we going to bother going through this for 1995? :34:Of course we are, because in this exercise, the Fiesta Bowl didn't happen. Yes, it's rare that the #2 team beat #3 and #4 in the regular season, but hey, maybe FSU would be a bad matchup for Nebraska. You never know.
Of course we are, because in this exercise, the Fiesta Bowl didn't happen. Yes, it's rare that the #2 team beat #3 and #4 in the regular season, but hey, maybe FSU would be a bad matchup for Nebraska. You never know.Good luck with that.
A new report suggests that Tom Osborne tried to plan a Penn State vs. Nebraska bowl matchup in 1994, when both the Nittany Lions and the Cornhuskers were undefeated, but Joe Paterno stopped Osborne in his tracks.I can see that. I’m sure Joe Pa would have liked to have played Nebraska but he was just in his second year in the Big Ten and had just won his first conference title. He wasn’t really in position to start raising hell about the Big Ten/Rose Bowl alliance that early in his tenure.
https://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/6/6/3068366/joe-paterno-tom-osborne-penn-state-vs-nebraska-1994 (https://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/6/6/3068366/joe-paterno-tom-osborne-penn-state-vs-nebraska-1994)
I believe this, because Tom was tired of playing Miami on their home field
I can see that. I’m sure Joe Pa would have liked to have played Nebraska but he was just in his second year in the Big Ten and had just won his first conference title. He wasn’t really in position to start raising hell about the Big Ten/Rose Bowl alliance that early in his tenure.I understand. UNL wasn't about to start rocking Delany's boat in their 2nd year in the B1G
I understand. UNL wasn't about to start rocking Delany's boat in their 2nd year in the B1GI'm not sure it's being full of themselves, it's just valuing different things. I wouldn't trade MSUs 2014 Rose Bowl for a shot at the national title. Most of us we're just raised to believe the Rose Bowl was the goal, and a national title was a nice other thing some people voted on.
but, it's a damn shame the Big Ten couldn't allow it to happen in 94 and 97. I bit too full of themselves and seem to be that way yet today.
I agree with that. I value tradition.The powers that be realized the money they were leaving on the table.
but, it did change quickly when Michigan got a share in 97.
thoughts can change in two years and they did
I'm not sure it's being full of themselves, it's just valuing different things. I wouldn't trade MSUs 2014 Rose Bowl for a shot at the national title. Most of us we're just raised to believe the Rose Bowl was the goal, and a national title was a nice other thing some people voted on.I could buy that more if there were a bunch of 75-80 year old guys on here. You are in your 30s. During your formative years as a fan the race for#1 was front and center and a very debated topic. There was plenty of clamoring by the time you were a fan that the bowl tie-ins should be reevaluated in order to allow more flexibility for attractive matchups.
I could buy that more if there were a bunch of 75-80 year old guys on here. You are in your 30s. During your formative years as a fan the race for#1 was front and center and a very debated topic. There was plenty of clamoring by the time you were a fan that the bowl tie-ins should be reevaluated in order to allow more flexibility for attractive matchups.The Rose Bowl was a family holiday for my entire life. My mom made a big meal, we had extended family over for it. I've celebrated the Rose Bowl more in my life than I have New Years Eve. Until that first BCS title game between Tennessee-Florida State, I'm not sure how many "national championship games" I actually even watched, let alone made appointment viewing. So yes, seeing MSU on that stage, one time, was far more valuable to me than winning a national title. Like I've always said, I prefer college football because of what makes it different. If I didn't, I would just watch the NFL, it's the better product.
It’s just hard to believe that as a kid in high school you were so enamored with Rose Bowl tradition that it meant more to you than your favorite team finishing first in the polls.
The Rose Bowl still means a lot to teams that don't regularly play for national championships.Like Nebraska or Penn St :character0029:
My .02:I was the exact same way. I was most interested in the games that impacted the national championship race and there was a stretch where the Rose wasn’t one of those games. Honestly, my memories of watching the Rose when I was younger was as a way to pass time until the Orange Bowl started. For a while it seemed like the Orange always impacted the NC race.
When I was growing up the Rose Bowl was an afterthought, and I was a rabid consumer of college football. I used to buy up every one of those those preseason mags and read and re-read them, memorizing the best players, coaches and teams. I still have many of those mags.
Don’t get me wrong; the Rose was interesting when there were matchups between highly-rated Helmet Schools. That didn’t happen on a regular basis though. What I was seeing happen on a regular basis were the top-ranked schools from the other conferences squaring off against one another in the other NYD bowls. That was far more interesting, to me.
Just based on the anecdotal evidence from convos I was seeing online at CNN/SI and email listservs such, fans from the rest of the country felt the same and were ready to move on into some type of pre-playoff structure without the Big Ten after 1997. That controversy served to wake the BIG, fortunately.
I was the exact same way. I was most interested in the games that impacted the national championship race and there was a stretch where the Rose wasn’t one of those games. Honestly, my memories of watching the Rose when I was younger was as a way to pass time until the Orange Bowl started. For a while it seemed like the Orange always impacted the NC race.To further drive home that point my formative years watching college football was probably from about the 1982 season through the 1994 season. I went from 6 to 18 years old during that stretch. There were 13 Orange Bowls and 13 Rose Bowls during that period.
Out of curiosity is the Rose still like a holiday event for your family? Was Oklahoma-Georgia viewed the same way as the traditional Pac 10/Big 10 matchup?Yes. No.
It's got sponsors now but I still like that the Rose Bowl is not the __________ Rose Bowl.
Enjoy it while you canThe 1999 game was the first to have a sponsor (advent of the BCS the need for more payout $$ caused this). I blame Roy Kramer.
Out of curiosity is the Rose still like a holiday event for your family? Was Oklahoma-Georgia viewed the same way as the traditional Pac 10/Big 10 matchup?Well, my family is now dispersed, and so we get together at CHristmas, and are not together on NYD anymore, but we have my wife's family over to our house for the game. They aren't college football folks, being Pittsburghers, but my brother in law is a Penn State fan, and a few years younger than me. He's still all in on the Rose Bowl, not sure if he cares if it's Big 10/Pac 12 or not though.
My .02:this.... outside the BIG, we mocked the conference. They hid. Slow.. avoid the best teams. Right or Wrong, that was the perception growing up.
When I was growing up the Rose Bowl was an afterthought, and I was a rabid consumer of college football. I used to buy up every one of those those preseason mags and read and re-read them, memorizing the best players, coaches and teams. I still have many of those mags.
Don’t get me wrong; the Rose was interesting when there were matchups between highly-rated Helmet Schools. That didn’t happen on a regular basis though. What I was seeing happen on a regular basis were the top-ranked schools from the other conferences squaring off against one another in the other NYD bowls. That was far more interesting, to me.
Just based on the anecdotal evidence from convos I was seeing online at CNN/SI and email listservs such, fans from the rest of the country felt the same and were ready to move on into some type of pre-playoff structure without the Big Ten after 1997. That controversy served to wake the BIG, fortunately.
silly facultyYeah, enough with this Kollege nonsense, eh?
That's what the faculty wanted. The official name of the conference, until 1987, was the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives, founded in 1896. It had other nicknames along the way - Western, Big 9, Big 10, Big Ten - but Big Ten was not officially adopted until 1987.and Michigan talked the Commish into allowing them to play in the Orange Bowl after the 74 season?
that was a silly ruleIt sounds silly in today's environment but it helped to build up interest in the RoseBowl because that was it. The football fans in the two conferences' footprints pretty much all watched the RB and that helped build it into what it became.
and Michigan talked the Commish into allowing them to play in the Orange Bowl after the 74 season?They petitioned the faculty reps, is how I understand it. Then they changed the rule a year or two later. I don't have direct recall on it. I was 7.
FL was moving the ball early by going to Chris Doering the slot. I think he caught 5 passes on their first 3 possessions, when McBride swapped coverage to put Tyrone Williams on him from his usual field corner positon...and then Chris Doering was lost to the forgotten annals of history.Ehhh, he still holds the SEC career record for receiving TDs, so.....yeah.
I'm not sure it's being full of themselves, it's just valuing different things. I wouldn't trade MSUs 2014 Rose Bowl for a shot at the national title. Most of us we're just raised to believe the Rose Bowl was the goal, and a national title was a nice other thing some people voted on.You don't see this as completely backwards in hindsight?!?
You don't see this as completely backwards in hindsight?!?Nah, if I just cared who was best, I'd stop watching college football all together. I prefer college football because it's different. And the less dofferdif it becomes, it follows that the less I pay attention to it. It's just become more and more a crappy version of the NFL each year. To each his own though, I'm not going to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't value.
Nor I, but luckily for you, the players themselves don't share your opinion. They play to win, to be the best, and don't let traditional hokem cloud anything.I've been saying this for years. This they do. Every game, no matter where, nor against who.
Staying at 11 would have been great, except swapping out PSU for UNL. It's not that I don't like having PSU on board - I do. But for the greater good of CFB, they would serve as a nice anchor for an Eastern Conference. With Rutgers and all that. ND too.That'd been fine if Mizzou could have tagged along with UNL.The Big Ten & ND are booth too proud to acquiesce to the other.Though I do think down the road ND will bite the bullet on their preferential treatment and have to join a conference - much to their uppity chagrin
So the conference with UNL in place of PSU could have still been
I've been saying this for years. This they do. Every game, no matter where, nor against who.What they try to do vs what they actually do.
Ehhh, he still holds the SEC career record for receiving TDs, so.....yeah.That's crazy.
Nah, if I just cared who was best, I'd stop watching college football all together. I prefer college football because it's different. And the less dofferdif it becomes, it follows that the less I pay attention to it. It's just become more and more a crappy version of the NFL each year. To each his own though, I'm not going to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't value.Is the pursuit of a championship determination process what is making it more like the NFL though? All the other divisions have a playoff format, and IDK that they could be considered crappy NFL knockoffs.
That'd been fine if Mizzou could have tagged along with UNL.The Big Ten & ND are booth too proud to acquiesce to the other.Though I do think down the road ND will bite the bullet on their preferential treatment and have to join a conference - much to their uppity chagrinMissou is a mixed bag as a potential addition for the BIG. Its the only D1 program in a fairly-large state with two substantial metro areas, but IDK that it delivers either one. In KC, Missou football would rate fourth in terms of interest behind the Chiefs, Royals and KU, and maybe fifth, behind Sporting. As a Big 12 member, they rarely sold out their modest-sized stadium. If you brought them in with Nebraska and KU as a package deal, that might change some.
The fan who values a non-national championship bowl over a national championship bowl is wrong. Otherwise, what's the goal here?Then the best team is either the Patriots or the Rams, and everything else is a waste of time.
Football exists because it's a fun game. Competitive football exists to see which team is better and among a group of teams - which team is the best.
Texas fans are unusually sensativeDecades.
but, I think they are good folks
what was my sig? been a few years
Its was "Don't blame me!"hah, that just made me laugh out loud
Still makes me laugh.
Then the best team is either the Patriots or the Rams, and everything else is a waste of time.I don’t think anyone is suggesting that any season that doesn’t end with a championship is a waste of time. I wouid say we all as fans have labeled seasons as successful and enjoyable even if they didn’t end in a championship. It’s just unusual for a fan to openly admit he preferred an ending for his team that didn’t include a championship.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that any season that doesn’t end with a championship is a waste of time. I wouid say we all as fans have labeled seasons as successful and enjoyable even if they didn’t end in a championship. It’s just unusual for a fan to openly admit he preferred an ending for his team that didn’t include a championship.I didn't mean that it was a waste of time because the other teams didn't win a title, I mean it's a waste of time because they can't even play for it. We are already rooting for what is not the top level of football in America. Why? If everyone's goal is simply to "be the best" then I'll save you the time, you won't ever be. At best you might be the 33rd best football team in the world. I always preferred college football over pro football for a multitude of reasons that align with me not caring about a national championship above all else. To me, preferring the 2nd division of American football while placing the highest value on being the best, is a weird mentality that I'll lever understand.
I think in most other cases a fan’s pie in the sky, genie in a bottle wish for their team aligns with what the players and coaches would wish for. You’ve explained why you feel that way as best you can, imo. I’ll still always have a little trouble understanding it but it’s really not a big deal if I understand it or not.
Then the best team is either the Patriots or the Rams, and everything else is a waste of time.If you asked the veteran players, yes, they'd agree.
yup, the MNC in the polls was the pinnacle, but a conference championship with an Orange bowl or Rose bowl win was a great season to be revered for the ages. A top 5 or top ten finish in the polls was a great accomplishmentOr until there were 40 bowls?
until the playoff