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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on September 10, 2017, 07:45:56 AM
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1. Penn State: Hardly a dominant effort, and the offense had enough fits and blips to be a bit concerned. Still, a comfortable win over the in-state (non)rival. Defense continues to play well. Marcus Allen is a hitter.
2. Michigan: Thoroughly unimpressive and booed by the home fans, but still, they can play defense, which is enough.
3. Wisconsin: Pretty through beatdown, even if the score wasn't super impressive. But needs to play a decent team before we know what their made of.
4. Ohio State: Got whipped by an actual good team. Rare case of a team getting whipped despite the offensive and defensive lines playing quite well. Quarterback was bad, linebackers were bad, need to get it figured out as 8-4 is staring them in the face.
5. Michigan State: Played strong defense, got enough offense.
6. Iowa: Squeaked out a win against the Cyclones, which has been challenging for them.
7. Maryland: Run young team run.
8. Minnesota: Convincing win in the Rodent Bowl
9. Purdue: Look like a competent outfit that can give anyone some trouble.
10. Indiana: Nice win against Virginia
11. Northwestern: Blech
12. Nebraska: Yuck
13. Illinois: 2-0 baby
14. Rutgers: Gross
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1 Penn St
2 Wisconsin
3 Michigan
4 Ohio St
5 Maryland
6 Michigan St
7 Iowa
8 Indiana
9 Purdue
10 Minnesota
11 Nebraska
12 Northwestern
13 Illinois
14 Rutgers
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1. Penn State
2. Ohio State
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan
5. Iowa
6. Maryland
7. Minnesota
8. Purdue
9. Michigan State
10. Indiana
11. Illinois
12. Nebraska
13. Northwestern
14. Rutgers
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So far I think the top 4 of the B1G is down but the middle 5-11 looks solid. If i had to guess the conf. winner finishes with 2 losses.
1. Michigan - didn't watch against Cincy but was really impressed by the D in the FL game.
2. Penn State
3. Ohio State
4. Wisconsin
5. Maryland - I think they might be a top 25 team. Backup QB looks good (supposedly a good kroot). I just think they have to stop constantly running that Jet nonsense (its fine every now and then, just pick your spots) because Durkin wears out his own D. I can see them knocking off one of the top 3 if they learn to control the clock and shorten the game.
6. Minnesota
7. Sparty
8. Iowa
9. Purdue
10. Nebraska - I couldn't really tell if Oregon or nebraska were good teams in that game.
11. Indiana
12. Illinois - quietly 2-0
13. NW - Duke is bitey this year. They are the ACC's Maryland.
14. Rutgers
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To me, Penn State appears to have the best overall combination of offense and defense.
Buckeye fans are really despondent.
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To minimize my knee jerk reactions I'm still using a +/-3 cap on my rankings. No team can move up or drop more than 3 spots based off 1 weeks results.
TOP
1) PSU (--) - Dominate.
2) M*CH (--) - Scrappy Cincinnati worried the Big House
3) Wisconsin (--) - Scrappy Kiffin Owls worried Camp Randall.
MID
4) Maryland (+1) - clicking along.
5) Iowa (+1) - fun OT win
6) Mich St. (+3) - Beating directional teams like they should
7) OSU (-3) - Humbling loss, script is easy to beat the Bucks.
8 ) Minnesota (+2) - rowing in Corvallis FTW?
9) Nebraska (-2) - Scrappy 4th quarter, not enough.
10) Northwestern (-2) - Duke looked good.
BOTTOM
11) Indiana (--)
13) Purdue (+1)
12) Illinois (-1)
14) Rutgers (--) worse team eva'
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Twice in a row, why is it called "Powder Rankings"?
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Conference is not looking very strong.
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It's a measurement of how much cocaine each team uses
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Husker defense needs to get on the cocaine in the first half, no reason to wait until halftime
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Time to shake things up in the middle.
1. PSU
Still the clear #1
2. OSU
OSU has issues but has the talent and time to work them out the next few games, and Oklahoma is a legit top 5 team. But it may be time to forget about making the playoffs. If they get the offense figured out, they might still win the conference.
3. Wisc
Wisc has been decent enough not to drop but not good enough not to move up from #3
4. Mich
Of the schoosl in the middle , Mich's OOC victory over FL most impressive right now
5. MD
Victory over Tex is a little impressive too
6. Minn
Not sure if Ore St is any good, but still impressive to go out west in win on the road.
7. Iowa
Iowa escaped but its still a win against a P5 on the road.
8. Neb
Not sure what to make of Neb's blowout, I mean close loss. Does this mean they are bad or not so bad?
9. Indy
Va may not be any good, but its a win against a P5.
10. Pur
Thus team is starting to scare me.
11. MSU
Not jumping on the MSU bandwagon just yet
12. NW
Just when I decide to write off NW as awful, is usually when they pull a big upset and become decent, but right now they look awful.
13. ILL
May be some hope for Lovie Smith afterall.
14. Rut
Ugh, No hope for this team this year.
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1. Michigan - Yesterday was disappointing, but the problems are all fixable. Playcalling was uninspiring but the defense scored twice. Florida is still the league's best win.
2. Penn State - I'm not sure how good Pittsburgh is considering they barely beat Youngstown State.
3. Wisconsin - If they start slow against better teams, someone will beat them. Fortunately they don't play Iowa or Michigan until November.
4. Ohio State - Oklahoma is a top team, but they exposed OSU's weaknesses.
5. Maryland - Not sure how good they are, but UCF will be a good indicator next week.
6. Iowa - I know the Hawkeyes usually struggle against the Cyclones, but I thought their defense should be better.
7. Purdue - They look good enough to make a bowl game. The Missouri game will be another good indicator.
8. Indiana - Not sure where to put this team. Virginia probably isn't very good.
9. Minnesota - Looked much better than they did against Buffalo (which also challenged Army so maybe they're not terrible), but Oregon State is clearly a bad team.
10. Michigan State - Not sold yet, but definitely surprised that they weren't challenged by WMU.
11. Nebraska - Even though they almost came back to win, from what I saw, they look bad on defense.
12. Illinois - WKU might not be as good this year with a new coach, but I'm still surprised Illinois beat them and shut down their offense.
13. Northwestern - Duke isn't bad but getting blown out by them after struggling with Nevada is. Fortunately they have Bowling Green next weekend.
14. Rutgers - Back to the bottom. At least they have a bad FCS team next week.
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1. Penn State (1) - McSorely had a pretty mediocre game and they still won by 19. The defense is looking like a strength now.
2. Michigan (3) - Speight is awful, but he doesn't have to be very good with that defense.
3. Wisconsin (4) - Might be #1, might be #4. Not enough info yet. They are beating lesser teams like they should.
4. Ohio State (2) - I really thought their offense had come around... I guess I was wrong?
5. Maryland (5)
6. Michigan State (8 )
7. Minnesota (10
8. Iowa (6)
9. Nebraska (9)
10. Purdue (12)
11. Indiana (11)
12. Northwestern (7)
13. Illinois (14)
14. Rutgers (13)
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it's just my opinion, but it appears to me you guys are being too tough on them bucks.
OU has all the offensive tools anyone could ask for, and though Riley isn't exactly an unknown, he is performing above his station. Their D is pretty good, it's fair to say.
this isn't about tOSU faltering, in my opinion- it's about OU playing very well. yeah, they coughed the ball up twice needlessly in the first half, but they played in a tight rhythm all night and kept the tOSU D honest- they ran the bubble screen to perfection in a couple instances, and when that play is done right (it was) at the right time (it was) it's good for at least 10~15.
to top that, the pass in the fourth that was called incomplete on the field (it wasn't) could not have been better placed- the defender did it right and which is all that could be asked of him, but that pass was a six inch diameter ball in a four inch diameter box- perfect... there is nothing you can do about that. that is ALL on the Offense executing to perfection.
it ISN'T tOSU fouling it up... it was OU playing one helluva game, not panicking early, and just plain executing on both sides... three out of five i think this game is within a single possession, just not that one. I also think tOSU could still very well be a top 5 team. it's just that OU is likely where they should be right now.
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Conference is not looking very strong.
Depends on how you look at it. Top 4 look like they belong in the 7-15 range but they can go 10 deep into the top 40. I also don't think there is much difference between say #16 and #40 this year.
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B1G looked strong last week, weak this week
let's see what next week brings
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It's a measurement of how much cocaine each team uses
When I was in school, UW had a QB that would help in that department. :)
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1. Penn State (1)
2. Michigan (3)
3. Ohio State (2)
4. Wisconsin (4)
5. Maryland (9)
6. Iowa (5)
7. Michigan State (8 )
8. Indiana (11)
9. Minnesota (12)
10. Purdue (10)
11. Nebraska (9)
12. Northwestern (7)
13. Illinois (14)
14. Rutgers (13)
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When I was in school, UW had a QB that would help in that department. :)
When were you in school?
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Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Iowa
Michigan State
Maryland
Minnesota
Nebraska
Indiana
Northwestern
Purdue
Illinois
Rutgers
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Last week in parenthesis
1. PENN STATE (2) - look like the most complete team right now
2. WISCONSIN (3) - tough to judge based on the competition
3. MICHIGAN (4) - not going to win the Big Ten with Speight, and Speight won't be there next year. Why keep playing him?
4. OHIO STATE (1) - the secondary is concerning, but Lagow and Mayfield are about as tough as it gets back to back
5. IOWA (5) - funny things happen in those road rivalry games, bullet dodged
6. MARYLAND (6) - did what they needed to do
7. INDIANA (7) - nice job not letting OSU beat them twice
8. MINNESOTA (9) - after 6 quarters, the offense finally woke up
9. MICHIGAN STATE (11) - defense looks much improved from 2015 and 2016, but they can't beat better teams with the turnovers and special teams miscues
10. NEBRASKA (10) - still not sure what to think. 42 points has to be the most ever given up in a half where the other half was a shut out
11. PURDUE (12) - still think ultimately they need to pick a QB
12. NORTHWESTERN ( 8 ) - Northwestern did this last year too remember
13. ILLINOIS (13) - glad I didn't drop them behind Rutgers, but still wouldn't pick them to beat Northwestern on a neutral field tomorrow
14. RUTGERS (14) - that's why I wasn't ready to buy in on improvement after a not blowout, but not close loss in Week 1
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Rutgers shouldn't be losing at home to mid tier MAC teams, but EMU vastly improved from '15 to '16 under Creighton. They may actually be a good MAC team this year.
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Rutgers shouldn't be losing at home to mid tier MAC teams, but EMU vastly improved from '15 to '16 under Creighton. They may actually be a good MAC team this year.
Based on composite computer ranking now, they are #3, behind (although well behind) only Toledo and WMU.
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10. NEBRASKA (10) - still not sure what to think. 42 points has to be the most ever given up in a half where the other half was a shut out
I remember once in the Hayden Fry days, Iowa was trailing Ohio State 56-0 at halftime, then ending losing 56-35!
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When were you in school?
Late 2000's (it wasn't any of the real starters)
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Based on composite computer ranking now, they are #3, behind (although well behind) only Toledo and WMU.
If they go to a bowl, I'm calling that coach's work Bill Snyder-esque
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If they go to a bowl, I'm calling that coach's work Bill Snyder-esque
Yeah, I think I had them starting 3-0, but finishing 5-7 and no bowl in my projections.
They still have non conference road games against Kentucky and Army, both of whom are better than Rutgers.
So they need to probably go 4-4 in MAC play. Ball State, Bowling Green and Ohio at home are probably must wins to get there, then steal a road win against Central Michigan or Northern Illinois.
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I remember once in the Hayden Fry days, Iowa was trailing Ohio State 56-0 at halftime, then ending losing 56-35!
1995, nice memory. Difference there was OSU benched their entire offense it seems like, based on the article. Oregon was still trying and somehow scored 42 in one half, and 0 in the other.
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/10/28/Ohio-St-56-Iowa-35/6288814852800/
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7) OSU (-3) - Humbling loss, script is easy to beat the Bucks.
Yes, it was a humbling loss. Yes, the script is easy to beat the Bucks. That said, I think you are putting them too low here. Just because the script is easy doesn't mean that anyone can do it. There is still a LOT of talent in Columbus and they can win a lot of games even without a functional passing game.
At this point I have no confidence whatsoever in Ohio State's ability to beat Penn State or Michigan because those teams can match (or at least get close to matching tOSU's talent). However, I think that Ohio State is better than 50/50 to beat Maryland, Iowa, and MSU even without a functional passing game. Thus, when I do my rankings I will have the Buckeyes at #4.
Additionally, I'm not very convinced so far by Michigan either. It seems to me that while their passing game is more likely to do good things it is also more likely to do bad things so that might be a wash.
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1995, nice memory. Difference there was OSU benched their entire offense it seems like, based on the article. Oregon was still trying and somehow scored 42 in one half, and 0 in the other.
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/10/28/Ohio-St-56-Iowa-35/6288814852800/
I remember that game well. I was in the 'Shoe for it. Cooper pulled nearly all of the starters at halftime and Iowa beat up Ohio State's backups pretty good in the second half but the game was never in doubt. That game and OSU's 28-6 win over Penn State in 2006 are my go-to examples of why you shouldn't solely use score differential to determine how close a game was. Short version:
- In 1995 Ohio State thoroughly dominated Iowa and led 56-0 before allowing 35 meaningless points to win by 21.
- In 2006 Ohio State and PSU played a defensive slugfest for most of the game (the sole difference was that Ohio State's goaline units got two TD's and allowed none while PSU's got none and allowed two). Then, with Ohio State leading 14-6 Penn State had the ball and a chance to tie and proceeded to throw pick-6's on back-to-back plays leading to Ohio State winning by 22.
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- Penn State
- Wisconsin
- Michigan
- Ohio State
- Maryland
- Iowa
- Indiana
- Minnesota
- Michigan State
- Nebraska
- Purdue
- Illinois
- Northwestern
- Rutgers
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1. Penn State - B1G's pony to bet on to the get into the playoff
2. Michigan - They have the D, but they have a lot of work to do on offense
3. Wisconsin - Business as usual
4. Ohio State - Plenty of time to learn and improve. B1G title and playoff berth are still there for the taking
5. Iowa - in much better shape with BF calling the shots instead of GDGD. ISU looks to be trending upwards, but Iowa shouldn't get torched like that
6. Maryland - may be the B1G's surprise team
7. Minnesota - Oregon State is probably one of the 3 weakest Power 5 teams this year (along with Kansas and Rutgers), but the Gophers won on the road in style. B1G teams aren't known to do that out West, regardless of whom they play
8. Michigan State - at least look improved enough to go bowling
9. Indiana - just good enough to maybe mess up someone's season
10. Nebraska - Nearly came back to at least force OT @ Oregon, but so far it appears neither team is anywhere close to being back yet
11. Northwestern - Looking like the B1G's most disappointing team so far
12. Purdue - This team is showing some signs of life. I'm going to wait a week or two before I feel moving them higher is justified
13. Illinois - Lovie probably isn't the answer
14. Rutgers - no excuse to lose to EMU at home
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....7. Minnesota - Oregon State is probably one of the 3 weakest Power 5 teams this year (along with Kansas and Rutgers), but the Gophers won on the road in style. B1G teams aren't known to do that out West, regardless of whom they play....
there is a name for this in the NFL- something Vegas created and folks were talking about some years ago... has something to do with crossing 3 timezones and the level of handicap given to the traveling team? ... it is the same or very similar in College... i think there was a noted difference with college and top level teams that broke the rule, but other than that 3 time zones are worth something like 17 points or some such... enough to call locks in games there should be no 'lock'.... Minni crossed what, two zones? not exactly by the letter of the rule, but... still impressive. good for them.
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Week 2 composite computer rankings (46 computers - last week in parentheses)
1. Alabama (1)
2. Oklahoma (4)
3. Clemson (3)
4. USC (5)
5. PENN STATE (9)
6. OHIO STATE (2)
7. LSU (6)
8. MICHIGAN (7)
9. Oklahoma State (11)
10. Washington (10)
11. WISCONSIN (8)
12. Florida State (14)
13. Stanford (13)
14. Georgia (16)
15. Auburn (12)
16. Virginia Tech (15)
17. Louisville (19)
18. Kansas State (21)
19. Colorado (17)
20. Miami (20)
21. Tennessee (18)
22. Washington State (22)
23. TCU (-)
24. IOWA (24)
25. Utah (-)
27. Minnesota (46)
45. Michigan State (58)
49. Nebraska (32)
52. Maryland (60)
59. Northwestern (28)
63. Indiana (73)
75. Illinois (93)
79. Purdue (96)
109. Rutgers (106)
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1) Penn State (1)
2) Wisconsin (3)
3) Michigan (4)
4) Ohio State (2)
5) Michigan State (7)
6) Maryland (9)
7) Iowa (8 )
8 ) Northwestern (5)
9) Nebraska (6)
10) Indiana (10)
11) Purdue (11)
12) Minnesota (12)
13) Illinois (14)
14) Rutgers (13)