that would suckit would really suck for Purdue and the conference. He looks like a really good coach who is building something at a place that had been maybe the worst program in the P5.
I'm interested in what values and ethical standards Louisville has that Petrino broke.Spit out some coffee on that one pal.
well, looks like it was a false report. fake twitter account. not fired. yet.Fake News?
I'm interested in what values and ethical standards Louisville has that Petrino broke.Yeah, that well could just be verbiage, if this really were real from the UL.
Fake News?It is Fake News, though probably born out of a bunch of message board rumors that Petrino is in trouble
Honestly, losing a coach before he hits his full potential sucks. Equally true, though: Purdue should feel glad at least that Brohm isn't at Tennessee this season. For a time, they seemed poised to pick Brohm. No doubt that was a disaster of a search that waffled over a monstrous lists of candidates. But still. There's more than one universe in which Brohm never even made it to Purdue Year 2.Maybe Lou Vull can hire PJ Barnum. Row the Boat and shit.
I would love to see a coach like him stay put at a "lesser program" to see what he can do over time.Sort of like Hayden Fry and Kirk Ferentz to Iowa? And, Barry Alvarez to Wisconsin?
Maybe Lou Vull can hire PJ Barnum. Row the Boat and shit.I like him but know you don't. Respect his teaching philosophy. I don't think he's losing because of his style. And believe he'll turn it around to at least the Glen Mason level if they give him 6-10 years.
Last year was year zero (his words). Now he's in 0.1. So you're talking about giving him 60-100 years to turn it around. Sounds doable.I'm surprised the mantra for this year isn't "Still in beta!"
I'm interested in what values and ethical standards Louisville has that Petrino broke.Petrino/Pitino whatever
If Brohm and Frost can catch up to UW and Iowa, and UW and Iowa can take another step, I'd be very happy.Me too. I don't think that's how it usually works, though. My feel is that teams generally leap frog one another, rather than have an entire division inchworm forward while staying in the same order.
Spit out some coffee on that one pal.That cracked me up too!
I like him but know you don't. Respect his teaching philosophy. I don't think he's losing because of his style. And believe he'll turn it around to at least the Glen Mason level if they give him 6-10 years.I’m still of this mindset as well. Every school has injuries, but PJ lost his most dynamic athlete on each side of the football this year going into conference play. Unlike big time programs there aren’t others to fill those gaps.
Fake News?Speaking of fake news, everyone see 1.8 million Tweets Clemson University found sent out by Russian Bots?
I don't know that a program like Purdue can collect enough talent to have the depth needed at high levels these days.fair, but after just two seasons he's really upgraded the talent
A lot of talented teams are great when healthy, but they have 3-4 injuries and 3-4 players playing dinged and ...
Might make sense to change thread title.I think @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) should merge it with the completely and totally OT stream of unconsciousness, but I'll defer to him.
fair, but after just two seasons he's really upgraded the talentNot really, actually... Outside of Rondale Moore, I think most of the starters are Hazell holdovers. Even the 2017 recruiting class was *mostly* Hazell's, as it's always difficult for a brand new coach to consider that first class 100% their own.
STARZ and talent don't always mesh.Agreed, but it is quite often a proxy. And for 4 years, Purdue consistently ranked at the bottom of the B1G in STARZ. I find it hard to believe that Hazell was exceptional at finding diamonds in the rough but just couldn't coach them, and that this team is light-years more talented than the recruiting services suggest. Purdue's recent NFL draft results also don't suggest that we've found boatloads of underrated kids in HS who were bursting with talent that just escaped notice.
Jonathan Taylor was a 3* with not a lot of offers, and now he's probably the best running back in the country. There are lots more examples. Just look at your own team.
I think @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) should merge it with the completely and totally OT stream of unconsciousness, but I'll defer to him.Let's be honest, we'll need it at some point.
There is a strong correlation between STARZ and how players perform in college, and later.No doubt. Though I think we can safely argue that, given Wisconsin's in-state crew of cornfed Polacks**, and how they are relatively insulated from the recruiting services (whether they commit early or not, are easily underrated), [and not to mention the fact that the Badgers football program is wildly stable, still essentially running Alvarez's way, and free to redshirt almost everyone] that no team is more insulated from that STARZ-to-results correlation like UW.
There is a strong correlation between STARZ and how players perform in college, and later.Sure there is, at some places. Clemson was knocking it out of the park in recruiting STARZ in 2012, but they did some damn good things on the field in the 2-7 years since. Ya still need great coaching to make the kids go. I'm not sure Clemson has ever outranked FSU (or Miami?) in recruiting.
Not really, actually... Outside of Rondale Moore, I think most of the starters are Hazell holdovers. Even the 2017 recruiting class was *mostly* Hazell's, as it's always difficult for a brand new coach to consider that first class 100% their own.sorry, I thought it was a very young team similar to Nebraska when they played. Young guys, but maybe not Brohm's recruits?
No doubt. Though I think we can safely argue that, given Wisconsin's in-state crew of cornfed Polacks**, and how they are relatively insulated from the recruiting services (whether they commit early or not, are easily underrated), [and not to mention the fact that the Badgers football program is wildly stable, still essentially running Alvarez's way, and free to redshirt almost everyone] that no team is more insulated from that STARZ-to-results correlation like UW.add Iowa to this list
For a few years, MSU was insulated from that correlation, too. Which I think is interesting: We've come to think of Dantonio as an elite developer of talent. But I think - for a limited while - that he was actually far more elite as a talent identifier. My years could be slightly off, but I'm thinking of the teams from ~2012-2015. The NFL drafts before and after this period were not nearly as kind to his NR/2* kids as they were during that period.
**(don't be an offended if you're Polish; as my dad says when he looks at my bar "But really, what are you doing with Absinthe and bitters - Did you forget you're a Polack from Detroit!?")
There is a strong and general and broad correlation between STARZ and success on the field.true and then there are outliers
No doubt. Though I think we can safely argue that, given Wisconsin's in-state crew of cornfed Polacks**, and how they are relatively insulated from the recruiting services (whether they commit early or not, are easily underrated), [and not to mention the fact that the Badgers football program is wildly stable, still essentially running Alvarez's way, and free to redshirt almost everyone] that no team is more insulated from that STARZ-to-results correlation like UW.Except that Wisconsin is made up of 45% German descent and 10% Polish. Other than that... Heh.
For a few years, MSU was insulated from that correlation, too. Which I think is interesting: We've come to think of Dantonio as an elite developer of talent. But I think - for a limited while - that he was actually far more elite as a talent identifier. My years could be slightly off, but I'm thinking of the teams from ~2012-2015. The NFL drafts before and after this period were not nearly as kind to his NR/2* kids as they were during that period.
**(don't be an offended if you're Polish; as my dad says when he looks at my bar "But really, what are you doing with Absinthe and bitters - Did you forget you're a Polack from Detroit!?")
Except that Wisconsin is made up of 45% German descent and 10% Polish. Other than that... Heh.yah, but the O-line is 60% polish
Iowa is another that gets more out of less. Northwestern too.
true and then there are outliersOf course there are. No correlation has an r squared of 1.00. That is the basis of statistics, and why I value statistics over anecdotes.
"But really, what are you doing with Absinthe and bittersYou're yanking our proverbials - you don't.That's one hell of a Bohemian Elixir.I imagine you could keep it in the shed for your gas powered equipment as an additive.Not sure I'd even open it up in the house for fear the fumes may waft over to the furnace flame
yah, but the O-line is 60% polishI'm honestly not sure what Van Lanen, Deiter, Biadasz, Benzschawel and Edwards are ethnic-wise, but they are only 60 percent Wisconsin. Deiter is from Ohio and Edwards is from Illinois. I'm guessing one of the guys is Polish.
I'm honestly not sure what Van Lanen, Deiter, Biadasz, Benzschawel and Edwards are ethnic-wise, but they are only 60 percent Wisconsin. Deiter is from Ohio and Edwards is from Illinois. I'm guessing one of the guys is Polish.There's always one.
sorry, I thought it was a very young team similar to Nebraska when they played. Young guys, but maybe not Brohm's recruits?From the below list (including all that you mentioned, plus I added all the 2017 commits that I've seen on the field), you can see what the recruits really look like.
WR - jared Sparks soph
OL - Grant Hermanns soph
WRs - Moore frosh & Anthrop soph
DE - Reviere R-frosh
DT - Watts soph
LBs - Jones & Barnes soph
Nobody can put away food without becoming roundly sloppy like a Dudek. We have a little of that Mike Onwenu gene.Is that your last name Dudek?Thought your name on the other board was more of Dude-K,like the name of a character on a popular series that I always seem to ignore or miss
Is that your last name Dudek?Thought your name on the other board was more of Dude-K,like the name of a character on a popular series that I always seem to ignore or missYup. Last name. One of the few Polish ones that doesn't end in -ski. On the old site, I wanted to stay C.I.M.H., but when we merged with scout, I already had an account with an unoriginal screenname and just went with it.
My last name is badgerfan. For some reason my family never used capital letters, and only used numbers for first names.Is 847 your cholesterol count?
My last name is badgerfan. For some reason my family never used capital letters, and only used numbers for first names.Where's that [rolling laughing emoticon] we used to have on the original-original board when you really need it?
Yup. Last name. One of the few Polish ones that doesn't end in -ski. On the old site, I wanted to stay C.I.M.H., but when we merged with scout, I already had an account with an unoriginal screenname and just went with it.Mine is the same. Polish name that doesn't end in -ski.
Mine is the same. Polish name that doesn't end in -ski.What was the name of that blog you had?Insolent Slut or sumsuch
Very few people have ever picked up on it being Polish.
What was the name of that blog you had?Insolent Slut or sumsuchLOL... Unrepentant Individual... Actually took it down completely a while back.
Is 847 your cholesterol count?it's his credit score
just stirring the pot...........Should I be surprised how dismissively quick the tide has turned on Petrino? Should there have ever been a tide to turn in the first place? His second go at Louisville has been very underrated - IMO - going 34-18 leading into this season. This second tenure after bringing Louisville from Conf USA to the Big East and into a more competitive ACC. This is his first soon to be losing season and his worst detractors are the home town fans he’s given the most team success to.
Petrino still has a job?
it's his credit scorePretty close. I'm only at 832 right now. Pisses me off.
Mine is the same. Polish name that doesn't end in -ski.Warbianski?
Very few people have ever picked up on it being Polish.
Why was he such a colossal failure at Louisville this time around?I haven't followed to know if this happened, but I'd have expected him to have recruiting issues given his wounded reputation.
Why was he such a colossal failure at Louisville this time around?He hired Brian Vangorder as his defensive Coordinator. Dude almost got Brian Kelly fired at ND
Why was he such a colossal failure at Louisville this time around?That’s the thing - save for this disaster of a season Petrino’s 2nd stint really wasn’t a failure. Not only did he average 8.5 wins/yr, he’s the godfather of growing the Louisville program from C-USA to the Big East to the ACC, and yet in these reactionary times for CFB the Louisville crowd only waited a moment after realizing the recruiting and coordinator situations to turn on him.
That’s the thing - save for this disaster of a season Petrino’s 2nd stint really wasn’t a failure. Not only did he average 8.5 wins/yr, he’s the godfather of growing the Louisville program from C-USA to the Big East to the ACC, and yet in these reactionary times for CFB the Louisville crowd only waited a moment after realizing the recruiting and coordinator situations to turn on him.they fired him because they want Brohm imo.
That’s the thing - save for this disaster of a season Petrino’s 2nd stint really wasn’t a failure. Not only did he average 8.5 wins/yr, he’s the godfather of growing the Louisville program from C-USA to the Big East to the ACC, and yet in these reactionary times for CFB the Louisville crowd only waited a moment after realizing the recruiting and coordinator situations to turn on him.It makes me believe that internally... not everyone agreed with Petrino coming back. This season is being used to justify those feelings.
I hope he stays in the BIG. If I'm purdue, I'm giving $$$ to keep him. The west is wide open and he's building something. Frankly, Purdue should be able to outspend Louisville.Money won't keep him, if he wants to go. Louisville is home.
Michigan fans should hope Brohm takes the job. Michigan "insider" Sam Webb said on his radio show today that if Brohm goes to Louisville, 5* DL George Karlafatis- a Purdue commit from the state of Indiana- will be going to Michigan. Sam stated it basically as fact. He doesn't really do stuff like that unless he knows something.Well, that "hot take" isn't exactly a shock. Nobody thinks we could hang on to GK without Brohm, and Michigan is the #1 suitor trying to take him away from us.
Money won't keep him, if he wants to go. Louisville is home.from a distance he seems to be a HC who cares as much about his assistants as anything else. I'd guess that would be important to him.
Not that I disagree, however. I'd love to see Purdue give him a raise [and devote more money to assistant budgets] in order to show how much we appreciate him reviving our program and that we believe he's worth it.
But money won't keep Jeff Brohm. Honestly I don't think money is that important to him. He's still driving the same 2004 Honda Accord 2 years into the Purdue job. Money helps, but the decision will ultimately be whether he wants to take on the Louisville job right now.
from a distance he seems to be a HC who cares as much about his assistants as anything else. I'd guess that would be important to him.at the end of the day, Louisville is home and Purdue isn't.
at the end of the day, Louisville is home and Purdue isn't.You must have one hell of an arm if you can throw a stone 122 miles.
Brohm grew up in Louisville and was a star HS QB at Louisville Trinity HS. His father played college ball at Louisville, he played his college ball at Louisville, his brothers played their college ball at Louisville. His first head coaching job was for a Louisville arena league team. His first college coaching job was at Louisville. His first college head coaching job was at WKU- just a stones throw away from Louisville.
I think Louisville made the decision to dump Petrino right now in order to go all in on Brohm. That's the only reason they made the move right now imo.
I think it's going to be really hard for him to say no to going home.
Whether he goes or not could depend on his view of the current LV administration. He might not be so enamored with them as one might think, and that matters, probably more than money. I presume he is getting paid well at Purdue now, so maybe he goes from $2.5 mil to $6 mil or whatever, it might not be enough to compensate, perhaps maybe.Brohm is making over $4M guaranteed on a 7-year deal (https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2018/04/26/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-receives-two-year-contract-extension/552018002/). It looks like it's backloaded somewhat, only $3.8M this year and increasing each year, but it's 7 years for $29M.
I think Louisville made the decision to dump Petrino right now in order to go all in on Brohm. That's the only reason they made the move right now imo.Brohm is certainly Louisville's #1 target, however that is not why they fired Petrino during the season.
Brohm is certainly Louisville's #1 target, however that is not why they fired Petrino during the season.Wow didn't know that about all the transfers.
The Louisville AD even said he did not expect to have to make the decision so early. The reason he was fired is because he had clearly lost the team. It would have done more damage in the long run to let Petrino find ish out the season. Louisville peviously had 2 payers put in for transfer out thus year. Af fw weeks ago 20 current players requested transfer paperwork. The writing was on the wall. Petrino had to go, no matter what.
Wow didn't know that about all the transfers.Didn't they already fire Jurich [AD]?
I still think it doesn't make a lot of sense to fire him right now. Usually what happens is the AD gets fired first, the coach gets to finish the season, then a new AD gets hired and fires the coach and then a new coach gets hired. Even Brady Hoke and RichRod got to finish the season their last year at Michigan.
Although, I did initially have the same exact thought after the Minnesota loss. And it was a strange coincidence Petrino was fired the day after. However, there is no way that 85 young men + a coaching staff keep a secret that long. Something definitely would have leaked by now.That's fair. Even then, this baseless rumor doesn't assume anyone but Brohm knows. It only requires that "Brohm's head being in it" through the week and game matters **that much** that a Minnesota beat down or Purdue blowout are the outcomes in the balance.
Brohm is making over $4M guaranteed on a 7-year deal (https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2018/04/26/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-receives-two-year-contract-extension/552018002/). It looks like it's backloaded somewhat, only $3.8M this yearI really can't figure how these poor souls squeek by
I really can't figure how these poor souls squeek byI can't figure out how Brohm is making so much.
Ya it's nuts but appears to be a good move though.Of course fans will get pissed if a kid sits out a bowl/play off game preparing for Sundays.I prolly won't attend another College game unless it's the Div.III locals.Prices have gone thru stratospherewith all the different camera angles and replays and slow-mo and DVR's to rewind- you are better off watching the game at home. you get a better view of things at home on your couch and you save a shit ton of money and a headache parking and walking into crowded areas and jam packing into a stadium with 100,000 other people.
I can't figure out how Brohm is making so much.I think he is worth every penny. He completey turned Purdue around within the first year. This article is a really good read on Brohm:
The guy has only ever been a head coach at WKU before his stop at Purdue, and his first year was a really nice 7 win season, but does that really merit a $4 million a year salary?
Let's imagine he's like to coach at an Ohio State/USC/Bama kind of program someday.That's a good point, if Louisville or Purdue is an end game, then he stays/leaves based on that. If neither is, then IMO it makes the most sense for him to just stay. He's a hell of a lot closer to a helmet offer now than if he leaves. And it's not like rebuilding Louisville would be more impressive to those type of offers than doing it at Purdue.
Is he better off staying at Purdue or going for more money at LV?
He might crash and burn at LV while at Purdue he seems able to generate bowl level teams anyway.
I think he is worth every penny. He completey turned Purdue around within the first year. This article is a really good read on BrohmAgreed.
Purdue has probably more than made up for the $4 Mil in tickets alone. They actually have fans in the seats now, instead of having fans dressed up to look like seats.
Pretty good guess there badge
$4.0 million
The estimated increased annual ticket sales revenue from 2018 to 2016. This is based on an estimated $25 average ticket price estimate in 2018 versus a $18 average ticket price estimate in 2018.
I think his decision will let us know his future ambitions.Maybe, maybe not. If he decides to stay with Purdue, it could mean a few things. The first one could be that he loves Purdue and plans to be the King Barry of West Lafayette. The others could be he is holding out for an Alabama to open up or he wants to coach in the NFL (I'm highly doubtful on this one).
Maybe, maybe not. If he decides to stay with Purdue, it could mean a few things. The first one could be that he loves Purdue and plans to be the King Barry of West Lafayette. The others could be he is holding out for an Alabama to open up or he wants to coach in the NFL (I'm highly doubtful on this one).I don't think he's a lifer at Purdue.
So Dakich is spreading a little fake news?Wouldn't be the first time.
Dakich tweeted today that Brohm will be announced as the coach of Louisville on Nov 26.Not sure how Dakich would even know that. Doesn't strike me as a guy who would get the scoop on that. He's a loud mouth blowhard. Not a college football reporter.
Brohm after practice when talking to reporters called that "completely false".
Not sure how Dakich would even know that. Doesn't strike me as a guy who would get the scoop on that. He's a loud mouth blowhard. Not a college football reporter.He's definitely a dipshit, but I always thought he was somewhat dialed into Purdue and Indiana.
And if it were somehow true, what is Brohm going to say besides it's completely false?
I'd bet Brohm is going to Louisville, but if he is it won't be until Purdue's season is finished. Purdue still has to get past Wisconsin and then Indiana to make a bowl. With the way they played vs Minnesota, neither of those games will be gimmes for Purdue.
LV strikes me as a kind of marginal P5 program with little history that the ACC picked up out of desperation, but they do have some money, though perhaps not so much from pizza any more.Oh, no question. Rutgers was a terrible addition, for terrible reasons, but at least there were reasons.
Dakich tweeted today that Brohm will be announced as the coach of Louisville on Nov 26.This is an interesting moment because it means news reporting could essentially shift news.
Brohm after practice when talking to reporters called that "completely false".
I was hoping not but I understand Brohm wanting to straighten the program out.Kind of a punch in the gut to Boiler Backers really hope they find the right guyHe's in Buffalo.
Unfortunately it seems to be happening (Louisville recruits are being told so, at least):double darn!
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/11/28/jeff-brohm-louisville-football-recruits-hear-hes-new-coach/2134524002/
funds are usually "found" in the pockets of boosters of substanceTheir biggest booster hasn't had the best of years
I don't remember the last coaching change being stalled because of lack of funds
at any program
Their biggest booster hasn't had the best of yearsYeah, and they took his name off the University too. No pizza for you!
Oh, no question. Rutgers was a terrible addition, for terrible reasons, but at least there were reasons.I can't lie; I feel an embarrassing schadenfreudeish joy about how Louisville has fallen on their face in all sports since learning about the grind of competing in a major league conference. We got jeered and ragged on after the announcement that we were leaving the ACC (actually, we got that treatment for years before that announcement for a variety of reasons); that included a lot of jabs about how our replacement was "better in every way!"
Louisville was a 100% desperation add. The WVU fans I know are still pissed that they were passed over when the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, because their academics weren't good enough. Then the Big Ten stole Maryland, they panicked, and went and got Louisville, with worse athletics and academics. If WVU had waited it out, they'd be in the ACC, which makes way more sense in terms of geography and rivalries, but I also don't blame them for jumping to the Big XII when it seemed like if they didn't, they'd be stuck in the American.
If WV had Louisville's spot in the ACC, who'd have WV's spot in the XII? Louisville?Cincinnati, perhaps? I have a lot of WV connections too, and many thought Cincinnati might be eventually added as an Eastern partner for them (although I think that turned out not to have ever been considered).