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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2023, 07:41:00 AM
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It begins today. Ohio State takes on Missouri in the Cotton Bowl and is favored by 4.5.
The B1G has 6 more games to play, including this one. ESecPN unless noted otherwise.
Fri 8PM OSU/MU - Cotton
Sat Noon PSU/Ole Miss - Peach
Sat 2PM UMD/Auburn - Music City - ABC
Mon Noon UW/LSU - Outback
Mon 1PM Iowa/Tenn - Citrus - ABC
Mon 5PM UM/Bama - Rose/CFP
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Feeling a lot more juice tonight than when the matchup was announced. Fun to see a new quarterback. Hopefully not a train wreck.
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I'm gonna work a 1/2 day and then start some cooking. I'll mine the freezer in a little while.
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I'd rather be playing golf in Texas with the high of 56, but I'll watch football....
Brother has a brisket on the smoker this morning
been on vacation since the 20th but it's the last business day of the year and need to close a deal before 5pm
It's worth a steak diner at Archie's waeside on the boss
hopefully the Buckeyes and the new QB can close the deal - B1G looking good so far
been watching plenty of new QBs in bowl season
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Is Harrison going to play tonight?
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It begins today. Ohio State takes on Missouri in the Cotton Bowl and is favored by 4.5.
I honestly don't think I've ever been less excited about an Ohio State Bowl game than I am about this game tonight.
Part of it is simply that tOSU fans are spoiled. In 10 years of the CFP the Buckeyes went five times so the others feel like bad seasons.
Part of it is that even without Ohio State's recent successes, the playoffs suck all the air out of the room. It becomes a dichotomy where your team either goes to the playoff or doesn't. That isn't fair because there is a HUMONGOUS difference between teams like Georgia and Ohio State that barely missed the playoffs and teams that barely made a bowl or didn't even accomplish that.
Part of it is that with expansion coming next year This year just feels weird. With an 11-1 record next year the Buckeyes would obviously EASILY be in the playoffs so this oddly feels like a weird transitional year where missing the playoffs is simply a function of timing.
Part of it is the portal. The team I cheered for all year long is gone. The starting QB now wears Syracuse Orange. The star WR is prepping for the NFL combine. Another long-time starting WR has transferred. Major parts of the 2023 Buckeyes are gone.
Non-CFP Bowl games now feel like a Spring Game where the reason for watching is simply to see how the new players look and nobody really cares about the outcome. This is honestly my main interest in Ohio State's game tonight is simply to see how the projected 2024 starters look.
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Is Harrison going to play tonight?
No
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Is Harrison going to play tonight?
The star WR is prepping for the NFL combine.
So:
No
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Non-CFP Bowl games now feel like a Spring Game where the reason for watching is simply to see how the new players look and nobody really cares about the outcome. This is honestly my main interest in Ohio State's game tonight is simply to see how the projected 2024 starters look.
hah, always better to win than lose
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No
I read that he travelled with the team.
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I honestly don't think I've ever been less excited about an Ohio State Bowl game than I am about this game tonight.
Bowl Game maybe but since the ND game I have had 0 confidence in consistent QB play.IMO Devin brings a little exuberance or zest other than a guy moves like the tin man after a rainstorm. In a tight game McCord played tight hopefully Brown plays with swagger
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Badgers have 12 outgoing in the portal plus 2 NFL bound. 4 were starters, including RB, C and WR.
I'm excited to see what the youth bring.
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Yeesh, it's the Big Ten-SEC Challenge.
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Yeesh, it's the Big Ten-SEC Challenge.
That's the future... We're in it I guess.
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I read that he travelled with the team.
team first guy
Like the butkus award winner with the Wolfpack that stood on the sideline and spoke about his great teammates and coaches and their committment
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I read that he travelled with the team.
He did but hasn't practiced. Hasn't announced anything official but seems very unlikely.
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I'm hoping OrSU stomps ND today.
ND has become a thorn in UW's side lately.
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He did but hasn't practiced. Hasn't announced anything official but seems very unlikely.
Crazy but I doubt it he has been projected from as high as no.2 & as low as no.7 in the Draft's 1st rd
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I'm hoping OrSU stomps ND today.
ND has become a thorn in UW's side lately.
same as always and forever
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Kentucky holding its own against Clemson. 14-10 late 2nd.
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UK up 21-10 now.
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these really are like watching a middling spring game.
fans' body language looks that way too.
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Should go back to the old daze...
No poll after the bowls
Bowl stats don't count
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We all agree in this environment, any bowl outside of the playoff doesn't matter.
The top players and many transfers sit out.
So yeah, why do these games count? It's become another big, fat lie.
They should be called "Backup Bowls" or something. It's a joke.
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I mean who cares - some of these games are great fun. They never, you know mattered.
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Harrison not playing.
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I mean who cares - some of these games are great fun. They never, you know mattered.
Ehhh, mattering and counting are 2 different things.
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Ehhh, mattering and counting are 2 different things.
Counting, mattering, whatever. Only a small handful of bowl games have mattered, most of them never have.
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Devin Brown likes to throw to Egbuka
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Well perhaps OSU does need to hit thee portal for a QB. Brown looked erratic then got hurt, and they didn't even call a pass for the freshman.
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Well perhaps OSU does need to hit thee portal for a QB. Brown looked erratic then got hurt, and they didn't even call a pass for the freshman.
it’s got nothing to do with the portal in my opinion.
without McCord, Ohio State, gambled and use the whole entire bowl prep, giving all the first team reps to Devon Brown. They used the freshman on the scout team to play the role of Brady Cook of Missouri. Lincoln Kienholz can play trust me. They did not prepare him
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it’s got nothing to do with the portal in my opinion.
without McCord, Ohio State, gambled and use the whole entire bowl prep, giving all the first team reps to Devon Brown. They used the freshman on the scout team to play the role of Brady Cook of Missouri. Lincoln Kienholz can play trust me. They did not prepare him
I get that, but if they thought he could be the guy next year seems like they would have prepared him more.
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More QBs should wear 20+ numbers.
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I get that, but if they thought he could be the guy next year seems like they would have prepared him more.
Totally agree with you
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How does #12 on OSU have that many buckeye stickers? He sucks.
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How does #12 on OSU have that many buckeye stickers? He sucks.
Some are for individual things and some are team things
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Did he make a great play at practice??
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More QBs should wear 20+ numbers.
Kid's father must have read a book about slingin Sammy.
Or his grandfather saw Sammy play and told stories
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This has to be the poorest offensive showing by ohio state in decades
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This has to be the poorest offensive showing by ohio state in decades
Buddy you must be new here
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Should call Brian Ferentz for a tip on throwing to the TE
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Buckeyes gonna mess around and send their defense to the NFL
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This has to be the poorest offensive showing by ohio state in decades
Since the 2006 NCG lol
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Since the 2006 NCG lol
That was way better than their 2016 playoff game against Clemson
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Lot of McCord haters wishing he was playing for OSU in this game.
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This game should be an advertisement for the 12 team playoff if you care about any sort of postseason. The NY6 games have actually become the worst games
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And this is a lose lose scenario. Missouri had a really good season, and their reward is playing Ohio State's backups in a game their opponent doesn't care about. Ohio State had a really good season, and they end in playing a game they clearly don't care about, with their most important players skipping. This is a completely unsatisfying ending for two good teams
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I do enjoy the announcers pretending like this game means anything to OSU fans in regards to Ryan Day. I'm pretty sure this is about on par with Red beating White in the spring game.
And again, I do feel bad for Missouri, and their fans. They had a great season. And you could tell they cared, but nobody else did.
Granted Georgia-FSU will make this look like the Super Bowl
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Mizzou seems satisfied
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OSU fans will be asking Day to grab a QB in the portal
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And this is a lose lose scenario. Missouri had a really good season, and their reward is playing Ohio State's backups in a game their opponent doesn't care about. Ohio State had a really good season, and they end in playing a game they clearly don't care about, with their most important players skipping. This is a completely unsatisfying ending for two good teams
That's why escorts take payment up front.
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Granted Georgia-FSU will make this look like the Super Bowl
I'm currently spreading ticks and fire ants all over the field. Shhh.
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And this is a lose lose scenario. Missouri had a really good season, and their reward is playing Ohio State's backups in a game their opponent doesn't care about. Ohio State had a really good season, and they end in playing a game they clearly don't care about, with their most important players skipping. This is a completely unsatisfying ending for two good teams
I was under the impression most of Ohio St’s players played though. I know about McCord and MHJ and they had a couple guys injured but in the pregame and during the game they were talking about how most of Ohio St’s players were, in fact, playing.
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Announcers doing their job.
Talking up the game.
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That was hard to watch. So hard, in fact, that I quit and went to bed.
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McCord says there’s room for Day under the bus.
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This game should be an advertisement for the 12 team playoff if you care about any sort of postseason. The NY6 games have actually become the worst games
Be tough to top that clinker
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That's why escorts take payment up front.
speaking from experience?
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don't think the bowl games really matters at all anymore, but they definitely count of course. basically the only bowl games that matter are the playoffs, which is why I am for expanding it to 12. MBGMA. Make Bowl Games Matter Again.
As for Ohio State, think that game showed that McCord was the best option they had- and that Day will likely hit the portal for a QB. Also think it showed just how important Marvin Harrison JR was to that offense. He is literally uncoverable at the college level- he changes the math for how a defense has to defend OSU's offense. Needless to say that without him- it's a much easier offense to defend.
Ohio State might be in some trouble next year if they don't get a portal QB.
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Was reading about Carson Hinzman being benched by Day. Some interesting stuff out there.
C'mon home, son.
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Was reading about Carson Hinzman being benched by Day. Some interesting stuff out there.
C'mon home, son.
Ohio State's OL has been pretty bad all year. If he got benched on that OL probably not a guy good enough to play at Wisconsin....
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He wasn't benched for not playing well...
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1740953783566577945?s=20
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Since the 2006 NCG lol
Much different situation. Florida 06 had an elite defense and tOSU scored an offensive TD against them.
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Announcers doing their job.
Talking up the game.
That’s not really true, though. I’ve watched plenty of bowl games the last two weeks. I’ve heard many announcers talk about the numerous absences for each team.
In the Ohio St game they were talking about how so few guys opted out. I mean, I get MHJ was a big opt out and after Brown got hurt they were down to their 3rd string QB, and they mentioned a couple of guys being injured, but the talk I heard was how many players OSU had going.
Joey Galloway cited that as his main reason for picking OSU to win.
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Much different situation. Florida 06 had an elite defense and tOSU scored an offensive TD against them.
82 total yards.
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Ted Ginn Jr's opening kickoff return for a TD was more yards than OSU's offense had the whole rest of the game.
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That’s not really true, though. I’ve watched plenty of bowl games the last two weeks. I’ve heard many announcers talk about the numerous absences for each team.
In the Ohio St game they were talking about how so few guys opted out. I mean, I get MHJ was a big opt out and after Brown got hurt they were down to their 3rd string QB, and they mentioned a couple of guys being injured, but the talk I heard was how many players OSU had going.
Joey Galloway cited that as his main reason for picking OSU to win.
well, this crew was hiding it.
heard them say a couple times that EVERYONE that was not injured was playin.
Didn't say much about McCord not being there.
I assume the WR that was looking to transfer wasn't there either. They didn't talk about him.
If they really did just have a QB and a WR out (obviously two dudes) they sure looked like crap.
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82 total yards.
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Ted Ginn Jr's opening kickoff return for a TD was more yards than OSU's offense had the whole rest of the game.
They still had an offensive touchdown was the point. That shit show last nite was really,really low.DAY definitely needs to give some of that money back outside of Congress,Corporate and Jimbo Fisher there is not a bigger financial theft in the country
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don't think the bowl games really matters at all anymore, but they definitely count of course. basically the only bowl games that matter are the playoffs, which is why I am for expanding it to 12. MBGMA. Make Bowl Games Matter Again.
As for Ohio State, think that game showed that McCord was the best option they had- and that Day will likely hit the portal for a QB. Also think it showed just how important Marvin Harrison JR was to that offense. He is literally uncoverable at the college level- he changes the math for how a defense has to defend OSU's offense. Needless to say that without him- it's a much easier offense to defend.
Ohio State might be in some trouble next year if they don't get a portal QB.
it was interesting. Going into the game I was most excited to see how Devon Brown has progressed being given all of the first team reps. Did not get to see that.
the defense was elite again keeping a team that averages 36 points a game to zero for 3/4 and 14 in total. Normally you win a lot of games like that
the line, it’s easy to look bad when the other team knows you can’t pass the ball and they can load the box and blitz on virtually every play.
I’m not worried about the quarterback. With another spring and fall practice and getting the reps either Devon Brown or Lincoln Keenholts will step up. They are both extremely talented.
just look at JJ mCCarthy‘s progression. He was a turnover machine who couldn’t throw for shit when he first started playing.
What are you seeing out there about Carson Hinzman?
he was one of their better linemen and most consistent through the season.
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What are you seeing out there about Carson Hinzman?
he was one of their better linemen and most consistent through the season.
Carson Hinzman Offers Insight into NIL, Recruiting, Bowl Prep, and More | Eleven Warriors
(https://i.imgur.com/9WuUP0k.png) (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2023/12/144199/carson-hinzman-offers-insight-into-nil-recruiting-bowl-prep-and-more)
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it was interesting. Going into the game I was most excited to see how Devon Brown has progressed being given all of the first team reps. Did not get to see that.
You saw a little. Not pretty
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Terps seem to be able to prepare QBs
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A top 10 match-up with a line of +21. Lots of 17ish pt spreads in a top 10 game but 21?
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Just vegas trying to make a buck
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35-3
The only good thing about this Orange Bowl is that it reveals/confirms who I hate more.
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And they will.
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FSwhoo?
Might want to stay in the ACC where you can compete
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FSwhoo?
Might want to stay in the ACC where you can compete
And this is against a top team with nothing to play for. Imagine if they made the playoff.
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Soooooo Tennessee is going to start a FR QB vs Iowa's defense?
Good Luck with that.
Give me the Vols with a score of 3-2.
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College football embarrassing itself so badly.
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The question is....
Georgia replaces Texas or Washington???
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Why. They can sit on the couch and watch.
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49-3. FSU never belonged.
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Why. They can sit on the couch and watch.
I agree but if there's a question it's not FSwhoo
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49-3. FSU never belonged.
A thanks to the Dawgs for illustrating the point
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Gee, FSU's backup QB isn't actually great. Hmmph.
For every dolt who pretended he wasn't an obvious weak spot in their pro-FSU playoff debate.......your brain is broken.
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Gee, FSU's backup QB isn't actually great. Hmmph.
For every dolt who pretended he wasn't an obvious weak spot in their pro-FSU playoff debate.......your brain is broken.
Speaking of broken brains, Maryland (with a backup QB) put Auburn into a woodchipper. The same team that Alabama needed a miracle to beat. Maybe we should have gotten Bama-Maryland in the Orange Bowl.
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Dogs over FSU 56 to 3 after 3 quarters
maybe the committee knew what they were doing after all
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maybe the committee knew what they were doing after all
Not including the dawgs.???
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Let's not pretend that FSU didn't have 15+ of their best guys bail out on this game. At best this was a 98 Alamo bowl scenario.
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Not including the dawgs.???
who would you replace
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Dogs over FSU 56 to 3 after 3 quarters
maybe the committee knew what they were doing after all
The committee ranked FSU 5th and Georgia 6th.
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Speaking of broken brains, Maryland (with a backup QB) put Auburn into a woodchipper. The same team that Alabama needed a miracle to beat. Maybe we should have gotten Bama-Maryland in the Orange Bowl.
This is precisely what I expect from you.
That's all I'll say.
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This is precisely what I expect from you.
That's all I'll say.
That's all you can say.
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I will never get tired of watching people pick and choose what results matter based on whatever goofy result they want. That's why certainty should be what we want over "data points." Play your way in or out.
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You've accused me of ignoring results.
You're ignoring a 63-3 result.
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OSU vs FSU in the MyPillow Bowl?
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I will never get tired of watching people pick and choose what results matter based on whatever goofy result they want.
It's called context. Adults understand it, children don't.
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Gee, FSU's backup QB isn't actually great. Hmmph.
For every dolt who pretended he wasn't an obvious weak spot in their pro-FSU playoff debate.......your brain is broken.
You don't think these guys could have made it respectable or is your brain broken also.That is a big vacuum not only in talent but morale
FSU players skipping Orange Bowl
At least 23 Seminoles have made the decision to not play in the Orange Bowl. That includes nine players opting out to declare for the NFL draft and 14 players who have entered the transfer portal.
There are plenty of big names on the list of players skipping the game, including Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson and Jaheim Bell. The trio accounted for 53 percent of receiving yards on the season and 15 of 25 touchdowns through the air. Not to mention, backup QB Tate Rodemaker has announced his decision to transfer.
- QB
- RB
- Trey Benson*
- Rodney Hill
- CJ Campbell
- WR
- Keon Coleman*
- Johnny Wilson*
- TE
- Jaheim Bell*
- Markeston Douglas
- OL
- Thomas Shrader
- Bless Harris
- Daughtry Richardson
- Qae'shon Sapp
- DL
- Jared Verse*
- Fabien Lovett*
- Malcolm Ray
- Dylan Brown
- Ayobami Tifase
- LB
- DJ Lundy
- Dylan Brown-Turner
- DB
- Renardo Green*
- Jarrian Jones*
- Akeem Dent*
*Declaring for 2024 NFL Draft
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You don't think these guys could have made it respectable
Define respectable.
They were 23.5 point underdogs.
THAT is the point.
They didn't belong. There was no universe in which FSU competes w/o Jordan Travis.
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Off the thorazine again? Thicko thru defections and injuries a 1/4 of their roster is gone,have one of your students read the list. Never said they did belong but that's not a list of Gators either.Oh and the 'Noles and Mizzou dumped your lizards so they wouldn't even make the My Pillow Bowl
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14 players who have entered the transfer portal.
Why? Where are they going???
To a team that has a chance at the playoffs next season????
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Fearless don't interrupt me when I'm interrupting
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Dammit Jim
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It's called context. Adults understand it, children don't.
"Context," where our personal preferences become much more important than any pesky facts. Adults love that stuff
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"Context," where our personal preferences become much more important than any pesky facts. Adults love that stuff
Context = facts surrounding the focus
Ignore them at your own peril. You may look absurd on a college football forum.
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Dammit Jim
Bugeater he locked the thread before i could respond,playing favorites, you owe him one at the Board Meeting
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Context = facts surrounding the focus
Ignore them at your own peril. You may look absurd on a college football forum.
Well you would be the expert on that
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But seriously - the same people who want you to believe that FSU missing their quarterback means they aren't the same team suddenly find the FSU missing half their players being basically full strength. We need auto-bids, otherwise you get the parade of nonsense and people trying to sell you something.
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You may look absurd on a college football forum.
May include all of us to an outsider
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Bugeater he locked the thread before i could respond,playing favorites, you owe him one at the Board Meeting
I'll give him one in Nashville
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But seriously - the same people who want you to believe that FSU missing their quarterback means they aren't the same team suddenly find the FSU missing half their players being basically full strength.
Who has suggested this?
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Who has suggested this?
You.
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FSU wants respect??
Earn it on the field of play
Like bowden did in the 80s
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FSU wants respect??
Earn it on the field of play
Like bowden did in the 80s
Like when they won a championship over Notre Dame despite losing to Notre Dame
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You.
Quote the post where I said that. You're a liar.
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Quote the post where I said that. You're a liar.
"And this is against a top team with nothing to play for. Imagine if they made the playoff."
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"And this is against a top team with nothing to play for. Imagine if they made the playoff."
No mention of players being out.
No mention of being at full strength or not being at full strength.
Once again, the caricature you have of me in your mind skews your reality.
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Define respectable.
They were 23.5 point underdogs.
THAT is the point.
They didn't belong. There was no universe in which FSU competes w/o Jordan Travis.
Here's a more related post, where I specify Travis being out.
But that doesn't play into your caricature of me.
You're not good at this.
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Here's a more related post, where I specify Travis being out.
But that doesn't play into your caricature of me.
You're not good at this.
"Like, what I meant was"
See. this is my point. You obviously are retreating from your own words, yet again. But that's natural! When you are putting in your own personal preferences over cold hard facts, you get lots of mumbo jumbo. There are no liars when the winner of the game advances and the loser doesn't. When you take that part away, you have situations like this one, where you say one thing and then say you meant something totally different.
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You're suggesting you know my thoughts better than I do.
I'm going to ask you to stop. The post you quoted to support your lie doesn't in any possible way suggest that FSU wasn't at full strength.
If anything, I'm saying the 63-3 score could have been worse if FSU had to play a big-boy team with its goal of a NC still in play. UGA's NC hopes are gone, yet they still obliterated FSU.
You misconstrue so many posts that it can't possibly be earnest.
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"And this is against a top team with nothing to play for (GEORGIA). Imagine if they (FSU) made the playoff."
Does this help???
You truly are the worst.
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Does this help???
You truly are the worst.
No. As it happens, I understand the English language and already understood what you said and meant. Hence, my next comments. So run from your own words if you want - I don't care and fully expect it. My point is building narratives and making up data points is not a proper way to pick playoff teams.
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OK, so tomorrow and beyond:
Texas > Washington
Alabama > Michigan
Texas > Alabama
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Debating whether to dry roast or braise the pork shoulder
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It can get mushy with braising. Gotta keep an eye on it.
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braise
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braise
That's what I'm thinking. Pineapple juice?
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always good
or apple cider or red wine
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Dogs over FSU 56 to 3 after 3 quarters
maybe the committee knew what they were doing after all
(https://i.imgur.com/oAzySw6.png)
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Well nevermind the wife demanded dry roast
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Just put some chicken stock in the bottom. It will help to not dry it out.
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I like Jamie Oliver's method. A. For the crscklkns, B as Badge suggests to keep the moisture
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https://twitter.com/evolutionof56/status/1740960322737902004?s=20
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OK, so tomorrow and beyond:
Texas > Washington
Alabama > Michigan
Texas > Alabama
there needs to be a downvote button so I can downvote this.
Michigan > Bama
Texas > Washington
Michigan > Texas
BOOM. Dream scenario at least.
You're probably right though. Have a feeling Bama is going to go in dry on Jeem's clown ass.
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Kirby with some strong words on the bowl games...can't say he's wrong....really like this guy for real....heckuva coach
https://youtube.com/shorts/Rpu-YRJvShY?feature=shared
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https://twitter.com/ripbigturbo/status/1741187718002970894?s=20
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I like the idea of moving the portal window to after the bowl games, but that doesn't leave much time if you want to enroll at the new school for the spring semester. This is all F'd up right now.
NIL is private money. Make a contract. If you opt out of a bowl (or any game) your NIL is reduced by some percentage.
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https://twitter.com/ripbigturbo/status/1741187718002970894?s=20
Next year is tough for them. No Michigan, but still. I don't know what UCLA is going to be, but that's a helluva stretch from UCLA to Washington. At WVU is no cupcake either.
(https://i.imgur.com/5h7TB9U.png)
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I see 8 wins, maybe 9
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49-3. FSU never belonged.
That wasn't FSU. That was the burnt-out husk of a carcass that was once FSU. Revel in drilling a bunch of noobs and backups if you like. It's definitely better than losing to a bunch of noobs and backups.
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It would have been closer but FSU had little chance regardless of who played
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Kirby Smart slams current bowl format, opt-outs after Georgia demolishes Florida State, 63-3 (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/kirby-smart-slams-current-bowl-format-opt-outs-after-georgia-demolishes-florida-state-63-3-224264648/)
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Kirby with some strong words on the bowl games...can't say he's wrong....really like this guy for real....heckuva coach
https://youtube.com/shorts/Rpu-YRJvShY?feature=shared
I've always been against this up coming expansion.Just going too deep into the season,the kids will sit to protect their interests.The Blame rests with just blatant,dripping greed on the part of the Networks,NFL & University Admns
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It would have been closer but FSU had little chance regardless of who played
They probably couldn't score enough on UGA to matter, but UGA would definitely not have been running amok on offense if the real Seminole defense was on the field. We got a first hand look at that defense, and they by far were the best defense we played. Alabama barely slowed us down before they knocked Daniels out of the game, and Alabama just whipped UGA on both lines and made them look pedestrian on offense. FSU, on the other hand, beat the ever-living hell out of our offense.
Of course, if the FSU defense was playing, that would've meant their 2nd string QB was still available instead of their 3rd stringer.
There's just nothing to infer from any of it, although it won't stop people from adamantly announcing it "proves" the committee got something right.
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There's just nothing to infer from any of it, although it won't stop people from adamantly announcing it "proves" the committee got something right.
I guess your assuming FSU no shows would have stuck around if they were in the playoff which is not a given
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I guess your assuming FSU no shows would have stuck around if they were in the playoff which is not a given
True, like assuming going undefeated in a major conference would mean you make the playoffs
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I guess your assuming FSU no shows would have stuck around if they were in the playoff which is not a given
There is no question they'd have stuck around if they were in the playoff. Sitting out the playoffs is not a thing.
And no, Texas' backup QB transferring is not the same thing.
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It could be next season for the 11th or 12th seed
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There is no question they'd have stuck around if they were in the playoff. Sitting out the playoffs is not a thing.
Specially for Sunday bound types looking to up the ante
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There is no question they'd have stuck around if they were in the playoff. Sitting out the playoffs is not a thing.
And no, Texas' backup QB transferring is not the same thing.
How is that not the same thing
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Well he's 3rd string
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True, like assuming going undefeated in a major conference would mean you make the playoffs
There were 5 conference winners so one had to be eliminated
The committee picked correctly
FSU was not better then any of the other 4 with its reserve QB
not sure why folks dont understand this
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Well he's 3rd string
nope 2nd string do your homework
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Well he is now
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Well he is now
So you dont think Duke will start him?
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Since we're creating a bunch of narratives out of limited and irrelevant information like bowl game results when players have opted/transferred out...
We all know Michigan's schedule was Charmin soft, with the exception of PSU and OSU. But PSU got worked by Kiffykins, and OSU failed to score an offensive touchdown on Missouri. Clearly those wins by Michigan are worthless. Their schedule was probably no harder than the MAC champ.
How are they in the damn playoff after such a weak year where they have proven NOTHING against NOBODY?
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Since we're creating a bunch of narratives out of limited and irrelevant information like bowl game results when players have opted/transferred out...
We all know Michigan's schedule was Charmin soft, with the exception of PSU and OSU. But PSU got worked by Kiffykins, and OSU failed to score an offensive touchdown on Missouri. Clearly those wins by Michigan are worthless. Their schedule was probably no harder than the MAC champ.
How are they in the damn playoff after such a weak year where they have proven NOTHING against NOBODY?
They beat Ohio State
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Why I picked Bama
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So you dont think Duke will start him?
Duke might start Murphy.
Ggotta be decent to stay ahead of Arch
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Duke might start Murphy.
Ggotta be decent to stay ahead of Arch
Arch is a wait and see situation
Im not sold yet
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Tough to tell with only 5 attempts in 2 games
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Why I picked Bama
you should pick Bama bc Nick Saban is the GOAT and is gnarly with a month to prepare meanwhile Jeem continually sh*ts his pants and pisses down his own leg come post-season.
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Bama > Michigan
Texas > Wash
Bama > Texas
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Bama > Michigan
Texas > Wash
Bama > Texas
well you got 2 out of 3 right
not bad
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you should pick Bama bc Nick Saban is the GOAT and is gnarly with a month to prepare meanwhile Jeem continually sh*ts his pants and pisses down his own leg come post-season.
Well that too
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don't forget the boogers.
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They beat Ohio State
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Missouri beat Ohio State. OSU didn't even score an offensive TD. Should Missouri be in the CFP too based on that "accomplishment"?
Ohio State was a paper tiger and Michigan's defeat of them didn't prove they belong.
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What's on the menu, everyone?
Today is the NYE tradition of boeuf bourguignon with sauteed pearl onions and sauteed mushrooms, over mashed potatoes.
Tomorrow we'll have biscuits & gravy for brunch, and then Michael Symon's lucky pork stew for dinner.
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Still eating brisket and smoked beans and sweet taters here.
Had smoked wings for lunch at hooters
Chopped brisket chili soup tomorrow for lunch
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Since we're creating a bunch of narratives out of limited and irrelevant information like bowl game results when players have opted/transferred out...
We all know Michigan's schedule was Charmin soft, with the exception of PSU and OSU. But PSU got worked by Kiffykins, and OSU failed to score an offensive touchdown on Missouri. Clearly those wins by Michigan are worthless. Their schedule was probably no harder than the MAC champ.
How are they in the damn playoff after such a weak year where they have proven NOTHING against NOBODY?
I'm rarely the one to stick up for a team with a weak schedule, but there is an explanation.
A weak schedule doesn't mean a team isn't great, it just brings uncertainty. My mind always goes back to the multiple undefeated Boise teams. Their high school schedules were too weak to assume those teams deserved a spot at the table.
But they could have been that good. They may have been. But we couldn't assume so.
This year, Michigan's outscored their opponents by 27 ppg. That's high. Really high. All-time great teams win by 27-30 ppg.
And while UM's schedule was weak as hell, they did play in a P5 conference. So while no, the Marylands and Indianas and Minnesotas aren't good, they're better (on average) than the Nevadas and UNLVs and Wyomings of the world.
Pre-becoming P5, the great TCU and Utah teams and the G5 Boise teams were as dominant vs their schedules as UM was this year, but UM's schedule is only relatively weak compared to other strong P5 teams. It's not as weak as a G5 schedule.
So they get the benefit of the doubt with their +27 margin of victory vs a P5 schedule, even a relatively weak one.
A great team would dominate a weak schedule, and that's what UM has done.
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Happy New Year!
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We had filet of beef w crab legs and these delicious hasslebacks w gouda etc. We also made pretzels for snacks.
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nope 2nd string do your homework
Dead wrong. Do yours.
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Dead wrong. Do yours.
Do you even know who we are talking about?
If you did you must just be yanking my chain
nice try
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The quarterback, who took all the first team reps for Florida State leading up to the Georgia game, and who was supposed to be the starter, was highly recruited kid named:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4433886/tate-rodemaker
But, he chose to go to the transfer portal because he’s got wind that Florida State was shopping in the portal for another quarterback.
So they were forced to go with this guy:
https://247sports.com/Player/Brock-Glenn-46114831/
What are you Discussing? I’m not a chain puller longhorn.
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The quarterback, who took all the first team reps for Florida State leading up to the Georgia game, and who was supposed to be the starter, was highly recruited kid named:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4433886/tate-rodemaker
But, he chose to go to the transfer portal because he’s got wind that Florida State was shopping in the portal for another quarterback.
So they were forced to go with this guy:
https://247sports.com/Player/Brock-Glenn-46114831/
What are you Discussing? I’m not a chain puller longhorn.
Im talking about Murphy the Longhorn 2nd string QB
and thats Mr longhorn
anyway happy new year
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And I was talking about Arch Manning- 3rd string
Happy new year 🎉 ✨️
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The quarterback, who took all the first team reps for Florida State leading up to the Georgia game, and who was supposed to be the starter, was highly recruited kid named:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4433886/tate-rodemaker
But, he chose to go to the transfer portal because he’s got wind that Florida State was shopping in the portal for another quarterback.
So they were forced to go with this guy:
https://247sports.com/Player/Brock-Glenn-46114831/
What are you Discussing? I’m not a chain puller longhorn.
Ummm.....but here's the thing....
a person can't say FSU should be in the playoff AND claim Glenn is 3rd string QB.
Why?
Because the FSU that would have been in the playoff still has Rodemaker. He's the starter. Glenn is the backup.
One cannot put FSU in the playoff based on who they were pre-Travis injury and then talk about their QBs as if he's still around.
Does that make sense?
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What's on the menu, everyone?
Today is the NYE tradition of boeuf bourguignon with sauteed pearl onions and sauteed mushrooms, over mashed potatoes.
Tomorrow we'll have biscuits & gravy for brunch, and then Michael Symon's lucky pork stew for dinner.
Went out for a late lunch yesterday. Patty melt.
Not sure about today. No plans yet.
Hopefully the Badgers can bite the Corndogs.
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What's on the menu, everyone?
Today is the NYE tradition of boeuf bourguignon with sauteed pearl onions and sauteed mushrooms, over mashed potatoes.
Tomorrow we'll have biscuits & gravy for brunch, and then Michael Symon's lucky pork stew for dinner.
Made sliders out of the pork shoulder yesterday. Probably not cooking much today. The family can fend for themselves. Might bake some cookies, though.
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Brisket chili soup and cornbread today
and it's too cold in north Texas - 33 degrees this morning
I'm moving further south to Austin
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Happy New Year!
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Your furry family member is like - knock it off BWARB
Like Ralphie in the pink bunny suit
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Went out for a late lunch yesterday. Patty melt.
Cindy just made 3 of them Friday Nite - heavy but hit the spot
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We no longer eat after 4 PM if we can help it.
(Exceptions for parties or out to dinner with friends, etc.)
Needless to say, I don't cook like I used to. Still do, but just not as often.
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Picks for today:
Wisconsin over LSU
Iowa over Tennessee
Oregon over Liberty Liberty Liberty
Alabama over Michigan
Texas over Washington
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Oregon over Liberty Biberty
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Baby back ribs on the Egg today. Not enogh people around for more than that.
I like Mich and Wash today. I have no views on the quasi spring games being played today.
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matchup to watch?
Horns d-line vs Huskies o-line
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63 in Tampa, with a high of 71.
It's 66 here, with a high of 69.
Gulf temp here is 66.
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Ummm.....but here's the thing....
a person can't say FSU should be in the playoff AND claim Glenn is 3rd string QB.
Why?
Because the FSU that would have been in the playoff still has Rodemaker. He's the starter. Glenn is the backup.
One cannot put FSU in the playoff based on who they were pre-Travis injury and then talk about their QBs as if he's still around.
Does that make sense?
Yes, but one also can't look at the FSU team that had all these opt-outs and transfers and say "Look! The 63-3 drubbing they took from UGA is evidence that they weren't CFP-worthy." Because that outcome was based on fielding a VERY different team than what they put on the field, EVEN the final two weeks without Travis.
The bowl game didn't prove that the CFP was right to exclude FSU. Nor would a win over UGA have proven the CFP was wrong to exclude FSU. Fans would have said "well UGA didn't care / didn't show up since they weren't playing for anything."
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We no longer eat after 4 PM if we can help it.
:o what have you been joining the blue hairs at the bistros for the 4 PM senior specials?
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Oregon over Liberty Biberty
How the hell did they get matched up
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Yes, but one also can't look at the FSU team that had all these opt-outs and transfers and say "Look! The 63-3 drubbing they took from UGA is evidence that they weren't CFP-worthy." Because that outcome was based on fielding a VERY different team than what they put on the field, EVEN the final two weeks without Travis.
The bowl game didn't prove that the CFP was right to exclude FSU. Nor would a win over UGA have proven the CFP was wrong to exclude FSU. Fans would have said "well UGA didn't care / didn't show up since they weren't playing for anything."
I agree on both counts. Neither FSU nor UGA "wanted" to be in whatever game they played each other in. Both spent the entire 2023 season up until the end in the CFP hunt but met in a game that was nothing more than a glorified Spring Game for both teams.
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:o what have you been joining the blue hairs at the bistros for the 4 PM senior specials?
Nope. We don't go out much and if we do it's a late lunch/early dinner. I call it Linner.
Sleep is much better. So is the belly.
Down 30 pounds since summer. Shooting for 50 pounds total by Spring.
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How the hell did they get matched up
undefeated Biberty - hopin fer a Scott Frost national title
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:o what have you been joining the blue hairs at the bistros for the 4 PM senior specials?
I put it at 7pm but, I'm older than Jimbo
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Time for some football!
Go Big Red!
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Kirby Smart is right, when you have a major bowl game score of 63-3, something needs to be fixed.
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Not many complaints about 62-24.
#1 Dominated #2 back in the 90s
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Easy for the badgers
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62-24 was "OK" I think, one team was just that good.
UGA probably beats a full strength FSU, but more of a competitive contest, maybe 31-17 or so.
It's a funny thing about picking the "four best teams" if indeed that is the real object.
UGA will end up ranked as one of them.
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Very possibly #2
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Kirby Smart is right, when you have a major bowl game score of 63-3, something needs to be fixed.
Well since networks and coaches getting paid like they cured cancer and solved world peace started all of this - when would they like to start walking it back? That/there is Kirby's answer.
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"We" pay "entertainers" of all sorts vast sums, and can treat them as if their opinions are relevant to anything.
HCs are entertainers.
Time to get ready for baseball, get packed, double check my gear, etc., and keep working out.
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Well why are they working for Public Universities? And that doesn't change the point, the proletariat is protecting itself while the fat cats are getting fatter
PS and "we" - "I" certainly didn't agree to the gross negligence of common sense to make glorified Phys.Ed. Instructors paid obscenely more than those making advances in medicine or society and I'm not referring to Big Pharma
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Entertainers are the players
Producers and directors get paid plenty
I'm unimpressed by Hollywood but could care less how much they are paid.
Same as coaching staffs
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Again seperate public and private as one is clearly using a public platform. Frank,Sammy,Dean or Hollywood actors weren't/aren't
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Coaches really are working for collegiate athletic departments, which financially are separate from the education side. I view them as "entertainers" broadly speaking.
Anyway, it's obvious that they have a major stake in college football's health in this case, and the health situation isn't all that great, in the view of many who post here.
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How you view them is irrelevant,stll massive money in funding pouring in from both state and federal levels and is the spring board used to line their coffers.Kids gonna bail to protect what they may be able to make
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I don't know of any massive funding from government coming into athletic departments. Maybe I missed it.
Many of them "donate" to the education side.
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PS and "we" - "I" certainly didn't agree to the gross negligence of common sense to make glorified Phys.Ed. Instructors paid obscenely more than those making advances in medicine or society and I'm not referring to Big Pharma
The kind of coaching staff willing to work for below market rates might be below market quality. Would you accept a coaching staff who maybe can only put together 9-3 seasons and go 0-for against Michigan if you can get them to work for what you deem to be acceptable pay?
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Watching Iowa's offense is painful.
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Oregon over Liberty Biberty
LoL.
Liberty Biberty starting out strong!
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I don't know of any massive funding from government coming into athletic departments. Maybe I missed it.
Many of them "donate" to the education side.
The Universities shuffle federal funding all around how about the stadiums and the grounds they sit on? Sure some money is scuppered in by broadcast rights and donations but public monies built many of those behemoths.And a large slice of funding goes into maintaining or expansion. How many private schools are in the mix for huge venues & CFB Playoffs? Even ND with backing from GOD 😈 find it hard to compete
Look if you started out as an "entertainer" = actor,guitar picker,comedian,fire breather,freak show - what ever - it would be funded by CinciDawg Enterprises,LLC not Uncle Sam. Only Congress and Corrupt Corporate can pull that off. And none of this gets back to the original point,Coaches and Networks are part of the problem.
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Wow. Where was this Tanner Mordecai all season? Kid is ballin.
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210 yrds isn't a bad half of work,but I can't get the game
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Watching Iowa's offense is painful.
You can't spell Citrus without UT.
Happy New Year, everyone.
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LoL.
Liberty Biberty starting out strong!
More Biberty than Liberty in the 2nd quarter.
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Wow. Where was this Tanner Mordecai all season? Kid is ballin.
That's how bad LSU's defense is.
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LoL.
Liberty Biberty starting out strong!
More Biberty than Liberty in the 2nd quarter.
Yeah, they only had enough in the tank for the opening possession.
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Only fitting if Brian is shutout in his last game
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Too bad Brian Ferentz didn't opt out or jump in the portal
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That's how bad LSU's defense is.
I’ve never seen an LSU defense this ineffective/hopeless since maybe when I started watching during the Gary DiNardo years. And that was more of a roster issue that hasn’t been anything short of loaded with defensive studs since DiNardo was fired 24 or 25 seasons ago.
Wisconsin’s 73rd ranked (total) offense is nearing 500 yds of offense against LSU’s 101st ranked total defense. Wisconsin’s 88th ranked passing offense has 330 yds into the 4th Q.
Recruiting hasn’t dropped off for LSU. And players sitting out isn’t an excuse because this has been an awful LSU defense all season. And yes, a lot of defensive coaches have quit/left under Brian Kelly, but isn’t he a defense guy? This is on Coach Kelly.
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Welp, dud of an end for UW. Annoying for a spry game.
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I’m not worried about the quarterback. With another spring and fall practice and getting the reps either Devon Brown or Lincoln Keenholts will step up. They are both extremely talented.
just look at JJ mCCarthy‘s progression. He was a turnover machine who couldn’t throw for shit when he first started playing.
Not sure I get this take at all. Brown was used in rushing situations almost as much as passing and neither were that impressive outside of against Youngstown state. Keinholz has played almost none outside of the bowl game and he looked completely overwhelmed and the explanation is he wasn’t prepared, which I’m sure there’s some truth but you don’t go from that level to great qb in 8 months.
JJ on the other hand looked incredibly polished his freshman year outside of overthrowing some balls, but his defensive reads looked great and his only struggle was against Georgia in the CFP. When he entered games it was often questioned why he wasn’t getting more reps because he had stardom written all over him.
I didn’t get that feeling with either Brown or Keinholz. Keinholz could certainly be a rep thing, but if I were a buckeye fan, I’m not sure I’d be confident in 2024 if those were my options. I’d want to see transfer portal success, especially with Marvin and Egbuka gone. Sure there’s a Jeremiah Smith and everyone seems to be big on Tate, but they’ve proven nothing and losing the 1-2 pick in the draft seems similar to going from Stroud to McCord. Replacing elite talent, even with high end recruits on the depth chart isn’t easy an qb looks like a giant hole in Columbus right now
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BIG getting played like a cheap violin
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Seems like the interim AD at Iowa made the correct decision
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How is that not the same thing
Texas' QB is still looking to play college football and those guys will hit the portal when they can. I'm sure he'd like to be on a playoff team, but if he knows he's leaving he has to go. Whereas players who are headed to the NFL have nothing to look out for but their health, which they will ignore if their team is in the playoffs and they have a chance to go out as NCs.
Think of it like this. Malik the QB xfer'd because he needed to. For this example, assume Worthy is draft eligible and is leaving (I don't know if that's the case or not). If Texas weren't in the playoffs, he might protect his health and sit out. Since Texas is in the playoffs, he'll play for the chance to win an NC.
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Not sure I get this take at all. Brown was used in rushing situations almost as much as passing and neither were that impressive outside of against Youngstown state.
JJ on the other hand looked incredibly polished his freshman year outside of overthrowing some balls, but his defensive reads looked great and his only struggle was against Georgia in the CFP.
Bullshit both JJ and and Devin had 57% passing their 1st seasions.What you saw Friday was a QB with a bad leg behind a bad line that mailed it in.To date he hasn't thrown 2 pick 6s in one game
This was before he injured his leg with time to throw
https://youtu.be/lsTcPrIMmJg?t=23
You see you can get results with time
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Seems like the interim AD at Iowa made the correct decision
The only thing she did wrong is let Brian Ferentz finish out the season.
Not only does Iowa get shut out the last 2 games of the season, Turnovers by Iowa QB Deacon Hill lead to about 30% of the points that Iowa gives up to Michigan and Tennessee.
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I’ve never seen an LSU defense this ineffective/hopeless since maybe when I started watching during the Gary DiNardo years. And that was more of a roster issue that hasn’t been anything short of loaded with defensive studs since DiNardo was fired 24 or 25 seasons ago.
Wisconsin’s 73rd ranked (total) offense is nearing 500 yds of offense against LSU’s 101st ranked total defense. Wisconsin’s 88th ranked passing offense has 330 yds into the 4th Q.
Recruiting hasn’t dropped off for LSU. And players sitting out isn’t an excuse because this has been an awful LSU defense all season. And yes, a lot of defensive coaches have quit/left under Brian Kelly, but isn’t he a defense guy? This is on Coach Kelly.
That's incorrect. Orgeron left a heckuva depleted roster. So many kids from his final couple of classes left the team that 247 or On3 or whoever's rankings are irrelevant. The ones we got absolutely are not like the kids we had the last couple of decades. The front 7 does have some talent and should be significantly better, but there are not studs on the line like we used to churn out. The secondary is just untalented and there's nothing else to do about it. Plus they're poorly coached. But hardly any of these guys except LB #4 and LB #40 would play on, say, LSU circa 2003 - 2019. They just physically aren't that caliber. But again, they're also all poorly coached. Thus, awful.
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Wow. Where was this Tanner Mordecai all season? Kid is ballin.
Our defense has that effect on QB's.
And receivers.
And backs, tight ends, O-linemen.....
We are the sure-fire cure for whatever ails an offense. Iowa should've been matched up with us, they'd have had a season high, and that's not hyperbole or me being funny.
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I really think Fickell should've gone for it there at the end. In most cases I'd agree with his gut and the analytics, plus they did pin LSU at the 2. Still, against the LSU defense I think Wisconsin could've called another curl route, which we were completely incapable of defending all day, converted, and gone on to drive the nail in our coffin. When the defense you're playing is that bad, make them pay. Instead he gambled by putting our unit on the field that at least had a shot to succeed.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I didn't like the call there. Even with all Wisconsin's players missing, they were far too much for our defense and I think they could've gotten the final couple of yards on 4th down.
Oh well, it was meaningless anyway. I don't feel like I learned anything useful about either team I didn't already know, except that Nussmeier may be a decent QB next year. Wisconsin had players missing, and our defense and special teams are horrible. Not news. I guess I learned that Mordecai can ball when the competition doesn't have a P5-caliber defense.
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The only thing she did wrong is let Brian Ferentz finish out the season.
Yes, my brother and I were discussing iowa's chances of getting a better offensive coordinator and then getting offensive players in the early signing period and from the portal if Brian steps down a few weeks ago
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Roll Tide!
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This is a cool, big-time matchup independent of it being a playoff game.
UM vs Alabama is yuge.
And I attended their first meeting when I was a kid (Hall of Fame (Outback) Bowl). Both RBs ra wild (Jamie Morrris and Bobby Humphrey).
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McCarthy. Wtf?
Might get bailed out.
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McCarthy channeling his inner Kienholz
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I've been thinking this leading up to the game.....if THIS Michigan team can't beat THIS Alabama team......what can the B1G do? OSU seems incapable of ever beating an SEC team. This is a very flawed Bama team.
Do they hope for a new PAC member to rise up?
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I've been thinking this leading up to the game.....if THIS Michigan team can't beat THIS Alabama team......what can the B1G do? OSU seems incapable of ever beating an SEC team. This is a very flawed Bama team.
Do they hope for a new PAC member to rise up?
OSU beat an SEC team one its way to win a title, and was a missed field goal from beating one just one season ago
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This is why Milroe only averaged 3.3 ypc this year. He's fast enough to get himself into deep trouble - turning a 5-yard loss on a sack into a 12-yard loss.
Annnnd UM muffs a punt.
Jesus.
It's like Bama is the hot chick and all UM can do is stutter and mumble and piss its pants.
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OSU seems incapable of ever beating an SEC team.
I was in NOLA for a CFP Semi-final in the first year of the CFP where Ohio State beat an SEC team.
I admit that it hasn't happened often but it HAS happened.
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OSU beat an SEC team one its way to win a title, and was a missed field goal from beating one just one season ago
How many lbs of cherries do you plan on picking today?
OSU is 3-12-1 in the modern poll era vs the SEC.
0-3 with the NC on the line, with 3 blowout losses.
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FUMBLLLLEEEE!
WTF was the return man thinking?
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How many lbs of cherries do you plan on picking today?
Sorry. OSU is incapable of beating an SEC team (disregard all examples to the contrary)
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How many lbs of cherries do you plan on picking today?
It isn't cherry picking when responding to a comment where you said:
OSU seems incapable of ever beating an SEC team.
If you had said that tOSU rarely beats SEC teams, fine. You didn't, you said ever so . . .
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Who I am rooting for/against seems to change by the second in this game
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Jesus.
OSU very rarely ever beats an SEC team, and never with the NC on the line.
UM is much better, going 2-7 in their last 9.
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Wow Sainristil got put in the blender
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UM needs to settle down and run the ball.
If they can.
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Bama should settle down and run the ball
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Jesus.
OSU very rarely ever beats an SEC team, and never with the NC on the line.
I think that is what, like 3 times in 100 years?
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Who I am rooting for/against seems to change by the second in this game
Sorry have to root against the Michigan cheatas. Then root for whoever is playing bama in the title game
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I think that is what, like 3 times in 100 years?
Poo-pooing the facts is no way to fix the problem.
Wow, UM claims 9 NCs?
1 in the last 75 years, though.
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Hey, if UM can run the ball, then just keep doing it.
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Poo-pooing the facts is no way to fix the problem.
Wow, UM claims 9 NCs?
1 in the last 75 years, though.
What problem? We already solved it by hiring Florida's coach then beating Alabama with a national championship on the line.
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That was a great game.
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Good looking drive there. McCarthy running is the equalizer.
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Sorry have to root against the Michigan cheatas.
Exactly. This is as simple as rooting for Oregon the year they played Cam Newton and Auburn.
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Now THAT'S a pick play, lol.
Trips left, massive traffic jam, Corum is lonely.
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The guy behind him was lonely
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Lucky break for UM there
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How was that nor running into the punter?
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Wow, #44 penalized for playing football.
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Well there is the makeup call
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Wow, #44 penalized for playing football.
Hitting a player on the ground out of the play??? Helmet to Helmet
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Hitting a player on the ground out of the play??? Helmet to Helmet
I mean, that is one of the safest plays there is. Otherwise he letting the guy get up and make a play or standing there waiting to get hit in the leg.
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Michigan d line just whooping Bama
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Hitting a player on the ground out of the play??? Helmet to Helmet
It was nothing. Did you play football?
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Agree on the D line whooping Bama.
HTF did Bama beat UGA ?
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It was nothing. Did you play football?
It was obviously unnecessary.
Ref agreed
And yes sir. I played in high school.
Not very well
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LOL wow
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B1G speed
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It was obviously unnecessary.
Ref agreed
And yes sir. I played in high school.
Not very well
It was more necessary than standing there with his thumb up his ass and getting yelled at by his coaches.
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Bama would do well to get something on this series
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I'm shocked OSU did a reasonable job blocking Michigan
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Good first half. Michigan mistakes meant Bama hung in, and they seemed to get more comfortable pass blocking
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Well that was lucky
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A bad snapper looking at two NFL tackles in front of him is a bad combo
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Looks like a catch
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Michigan special teams today...woof
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I'm thinking Washington is going to win the national championship. This game has been pretty boring, neither team has a good quarterback. I feel like Penix is going to have his Vince Young moment
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We can hope
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I'm thinking Washington is going to win the national championship. This game has been pretty boring, neither team has a good quarterback. I feel like Penix is going to have his Vince Young moment
Let's hope!
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That's what happens when you just button-mash. Milroe pressed circle, R1, down, and L2 all at the same time.
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Goddammit couldn't Michigan do some of these boneheaded things against OSU?
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10 minute drive for a TD would be great!
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Who had special teams as the difference?
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FG is fine
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I'm thinking Washington is going to win the national championship. This game has been pretty boring, neither team has a good quarterback. I feel like Penix is going to have his Vince Young moment
Thanks for the love guys
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It’s getting good, boys.
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This game rules
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WTF
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Good game so far
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Need to put Sugar on Bevo TV so somebody can watch it tonight.
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What is it with college football special teams? Every time a returner calls a fair catch inside their own 5 they catch it, when they need to get out of the way and the ball rolls into the end zone.
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How big a crap did MDot take in his underoos when that kid muffed the punt?
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Michigan special teams today...woof
It's almost like the special teams coach is a giant nepo baby
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What is it with college football special teams? Every time a returner calls a fair catch inside their own 5 they catch it, when they need to get out of the way and the ball rolls into the end zone.
I know. Whatever happened to the put your heels on the 10 rule? See that all the time now.
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What is it with college football special teams? Every time a returner calls a fair catch inside their own 5 they catch it, when they need to get out of the way and the ball rolls into the end zone.
Particularly when you are just going to take a knee anyway. You tell him to plant his legs on the 20 and not move back. But Michigan has a nepo baby who has no idea how to coach, coaching STs
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Wow Corum!
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I see now why Bama offered WVU’s Center a bag.
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Congrats Michigan! Hell of a game
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Great game.
Corngrats to Michigan
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GO BLUE!
(https://i.imgur.com/YU41yjX.jpg)
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Bama shmama
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Terrible execution on the 4th down play. A QB draw with a mobile QB is a solid play, but he ran right into the center's ass.
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SEC sucks
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Terrible execution on the 4th down play. A QB draw with a mobile QB is a solid play, but he ran right into the center's ass.
ball at the shoestrings, yet again.
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There is no chance in hell I stay up to watch the second game. Why does college football do this to itself? Hey, we have two games on a holiday - better put one of them on at 9:30!
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Not only that but both are on ESPN they had to take a hit on viewership.Great game except fot the final score
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Congrats Michigan! Hell of a game
Shut your whore mouth
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There is no chance in hell I stay up to watch the second game. Why does college football do this to itself? Hey, we have two games on a holiday - better put one of them on at 9:30!
I've said that forever. I don't get why the Sugar Bowl fought for this time slot. Particularly when 2/3 of the time it's an exhibition. I haven't made it to the end of a Sugar Bowl since I had kids.
You are literally asking people who stayed up past midnight yesterday, to do it again, except hungover, and frequently with work the next day
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There is no chance in hell I stay up to watch the second game. Why does college football do this to itself? Hey, we have two games on a holiday - better put one of them on at 9:30!
It’s ridiculous. This game should have been at 1:00 with the Rose Bowl capping off the day.
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Good, quality game.
Horrible last play call.
UM earned it.
I hope they don't go twelving in the next game.
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Nice start for the Udubs
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Good, quality game.
Horrible last play call.
UM earned it.
I hope they don't go twelving in the next game.
By all means let them get the squirts
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I will say, it's pretty clear having a good punt returner does not appear to be a prerequisite for making the CFP
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Terrible execution on the 4th down play. A QB draw with a mobile QB is a solid play, but he ran right into the center's ass.
Wasn't a draw.
Some theorizing it was an RPO, but the bad snap kinda busted it.
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You are literally asking people who stayed up past midnight yesterday, to do it again, except hungover, and frequently with work the next day
I'm not working tomorrow.
I'm still watching.
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Washington with the incredibly stupid penalty on the punt coverage team.
Texas will have a shot at this...
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Elite PBU to end it.
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Corngrats to the purple puppies
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UW: Here, Horns, have your Hollywood ending.
UT: Nah.
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Warshington vs Mirchigan
Do you have any idea what a wolverine would do to a husky?
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Horns played a terrible game but still had a chance at the end. I have no idea what those last 4 playcalls were, but there you have it. Not much more I can say about that game. Still a pretty nice season.
Best of luck to Michigan in the final.
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All B1G Final
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I had mentally picked Bama-Texas, so there is that.
I didn't watch either game. The real champ played earlier. :)
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Michigan now tied with the Buckeyez with 9 Rose Bowl wins.
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Nodded off at 28-21 UW,not sure how many 16oz Draught Yuenglings I quaffed watching the Bama/Booger debacle
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Wow. Where was this Tanner Mordecai all season? Kid is ballin.
Broke his hand early. Fully recovered now. Will get drafted.
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Welp, dud of an end for UW. Annoying for a spry game.
I really thought they would win. Very disappointing.
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All B1G Final
Unbelievable,really how bad the BIG was this season and how good the PAC was.If it wasn't for eyeballs on the set the BIG would have come calling,amazing how fortunes can swing in just a season or two. I need to find one of these swings
The Buckeye O-Line played a very good Game vs UM,Much better than better than Bama's.For as big as some of those guys were they weren't crushers.That right tackle I wanted to pull on the side and scream pick some one and steam roll them.He got all confused when M blitzed the gaps,shit hit one of them don't dosey doe or turnstile
Well I'm going to find the Ouija Board,Tarot Cards,Vodoo Doll maybe even dial up the Prince of Darkness himself at a seance to call Jimmy home
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I think we had about 7 teams that were competitive with the other 6, and any could win a given game with a near 50-50 shot. I include a healthy FSU in that. Obviously, Mizzou et al. could win, but with lower likelihood.
It ends up, as usual, being a crap shoot as to who actually prevails.
I think the 12 team scheme will end up being not very satiifying in many years.
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Horns played a terrible game but still had a chance at the end. I have no idea what those last 4 playcalls were, but there you have it. Not much more I can say about that game. Still a pretty nice season.
Best of luck to Michigan in the final.
an outstanding season - corngrats
announcers describe things as unbelievable countless times during a game to hype the audience.
those last 4 playcalls were unbelievable to me.
I knew the Horns were going to win it with 20 seconds left.
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Picks for today:
Wisconsin over LSU
Iowa over Tennessee
Oregon over Liberty Liberty Liberty
Alabama over Michigan
Texas over Washington
I'm glad I don't gamble. I suck.
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Brian Ferentz sucks
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I view a lot of these games as close to 50-50 affairs.
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Iowa and Biberty were anything but 50-50.
I thought the Iowa D would show up. Oops.
Biberty is yet another example of a G5 team not belonging in these games. Yeah, it was cute when Boise and Utah showed up and won. The gap has widened greatly since then.
Enough already.
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hopefully the nc game is as good as the two po games, we'll be in for a treat. i like mich.
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I had mentally picked Bama-Texas, so there is that.
I didn't watch either game. The real champ played earlier. :)
LSU?
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I'm glad I don't gamble. I suck.
I picked Alabama and Texas for the semis, so there's my track record.
In other news, did the special teams fairy get dumped for Tinker Bell and decide to take a giant crap on the four contenders yesterday? Never seen so much derpy "fielding" of kicks and punts. If you can call it fielding.
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As things stand now, TWO G5 teams will make the 12 team playoff.
"They" of course feel like they have to include at least one.
I would've picked Tenn over Iowa something more like 24-10 or so.
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Iowa and Biberty were anything but 50-50.
I thought the Iowa D would show up. Oops.
Biberty is yet another example of a G5 team not belonging in these games. Yeah, it was cute when Boise and Utah showed up and won. The gap has widened greatly since then.
Enough already.
you get a great coach like chris peterson at a g5 & it can happen, same with urbs at utah. so it's pretty hit & miss from my pov - i think they should remove the guarantee - from the big 12 too starting next yr.
as for iowa they got smoked by all ranked opps, they were a product of their schedule.
wisc could have gone either way it was a great game & saved the early window as far as entertainment goes.
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Gotta say re: Iowa/Tenn.
That freshman 5* QB is better than Joe Milton.
I'm glad the QB from Wisconsin transferred to Iowa. Just brutal yesterday.
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you get a great coach like chris peterson at a g5 & it can happen, same with urbs at utah. so it's pretty hit & miss from my pov - i think they should remove the guarantee - from the big 12 too starting next yr.
as for iowa they got smoked by all ranked opps, they were a product of their schedule.
wisc could have gone either way it was a great game & saved the early window as far as entertainment goes.
Good points.
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Early thoughts on Mich/U-dubb NC:
The Huskies continue to be more physical than my brain wants to give them credit for. My inclination is to say Michigan is going to bully them on the lines, but I've thought that before and Washington keeps proving me wrong.
Still don't think they're going to be able to run for much against Michigan. Especially after their RB got injured...that didn't look good.
Penix and the Husky WRs played out of their minds last night. Can they do it again against a saltier Wolverine secondary?
Does Washington have an answer for Corum not to bleed them to death with a thousand paper cuts?
Going into yesterday I thought Washington was the least likely to win the NC. Now I'm not so sure. I think Michigan has better linemen, which counts for a lot with me, but Washington has so many ways to move the ball, they might be able to force Michigan into the kind of game they don't want to be in. They are a far more capable offense than Alabama. Question is, can they really protect Penix against UM's pass rush? If yes, it's game on. If not, it will be an ugly Michigan win.
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Iowa won their close games (but one) and lost to any pretty good opponent badly. Their 10-2 was misleading I think.
The Vols had a half decent team, and yes, the new QB (Nico) is better than Milton, at least more talented.
A few teams impressed me this season vs preseason expectations, Ole Miss and Mizzou in particular, and USC of course was on the other side of that, though I knew "we" here doubted they would do very well. I'd add Texas to an extent as being impressive. I thought Penn State had a shot at 11-1.
You have to add Washington I think as an over achiever.
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Going into yesterday I thought Washington was the least likely to win the NC. Now I'm not so sure. I think Michigan has better linemen, which counts for a lot with me, but Washington has so many ways to move the ball, they might be able to force Michigan into the kind of game they don't want to be in. They are a far more capable offense than Alabama. Question is, can they really protect Penix against UM's pass rush? If yes, it's game on. If not, it will be an ugly Michigan win.
This is a great take. Penix seems to have a way to extend plays and when he does, he uses his incredible accuracy and hits his great receiving core. Can the Michigan D-line put enough pressure to slow that down?
I also think a huge part of the game will be Washington scoring early. It's what buried Michigan against TCU. They had to change their gameplan completely. If the defense can keep it close early, the Michigan grinding offense should do their thing. Michigan also needs to go figure out special teams because punting and punt returns were scary bad.
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unless UM's pass rush is better than the Horns' or unless the Michigan staff decides to blitz.. Texas did not (not sure why)
Penix will probably have another big game and score plenty of points.
The Dawgs DE #8 was impressive and put pressure on the Horn QB
Michigan should be able to run the ball as Texas did. Just can't run the ball over at the Texas RB did.
I'd take Michigan in a close one.
I thought Texas would win by a couple scores.
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as for iowa they got smoked by all ranked opps, they were a product of their schedule.
So was Liberty
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Bama > Michigan
Texas > Wash
Bama > Texas
well you got 2 out of 3 right
not bad
Thought you Texans knew football
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Texans know EVERYTHING
I've been living amongst them for the past 2 weeks
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Thought you Texans knew football
Obviously not. But I’m thrilled I was wrong.
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FFS,I'm certain the fix was in not even try to hide it.Should be pissed that he got let go after all of that - some serious loot is exchanging hush money hands
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Gotta say re: Iowa/Tenn.
That freshman 5* QB is better than Joe Milton.
Duh. Joe Milton sucks, always has, likely always will.
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Washington’s pass attack scares me. Penix has a laser and they have 3 legit WRs. Michigan needs to stuff the run and force them into being one dimensional and I think they’ll have a shot.
Michigan has an elite front 7. Mason Graham, Kris Jenkins, and Kennth Grant + their pass rushers + ILBs is legit. And they have an elite CB1, FS, and Nickel. Will Johnson is the best CB in college football. Rod Moore might be the best free safety. And Mikey S just makes plays at nickel all the damn time.
It’ll be a hell of a game.
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Horns pretty much shut down the Husky RB
Penix got a few timely runs for first downs
Huskies were one dimensional and still very productive
Wolverines will need to blitz Penix and turn up the heat
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Horns pretty much shut down the Husky RB
Penix got a few timely runs for first downs
Huskies were one dimensional and still very productive
Wolverines will need to blitz Penix and turn up the heat
Michigan D quite a bit better than Texas’ D imo. But Penix is legit and so are those WRs, they can make plays against anyone.
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Michigan's secondary has been quite a bit better than Texas', albeit against dissimilar schedules, so that's always a caveat. Texas' front 7 doesn't really take a back seat to anyone. They have both of PFF's highest graded interior tackles, and it doesn't drop off much from there. They did get occasional pressure on Penix even though Washington's OL is quite good, but they never could get their hands on Penix...he was slippery in the pocket.
It will be fun to watch if Michigan's front can succeed where Texas failed. Like I said, Washington's OL is good, but Texas showed you can collapse that pocket a few times. Michigan and Texas are built a little differently up front, and I think Mich. may be better suited for playing one-gap rush technique. I think they'll be able to bring him down when they get there a couple times. We'll see.
Penix and his targets went off, we'll see if they can have that same kind of game against a pass D like UM. Both they and the UM secondary will make some plays, just a matter of who makes more.
When Michigan has the ball against the Husky defense, I really don't see how Washington can stop Michigan from playing the exact game they want to play. Michigan just confused and at times overpowered a much better defense than Washington. Who is not bad, it's just that they're average. Alabama's D is one of the best, and their corners are the filthiest, per PFF, but McCarthy was still able to throw as needed, and UM's play designs on run plays was good stuff.
To me, I think Michigan wants to be in 24-13 boa-constrictor affairs. I don't think their goal is to score 40 pts. If Washington can't score much, I don't know what their path to victory is. I don't believe they can stop UM from possessing the ball for chunks of time and grinding out a slow win.
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UGA would be a 2 point favorite over UM, just saying, as if that matters to anything.
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Duh. Joe Milton sucks, always has, likely always will.
I wouldn't say he sucks. He just has never lived up quite to the hype. He's a decent QB and would start at a lot of places. He's just not a star and not elite. Too many UM junkies wanted that to be the case when he was in Ann Arbor.
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UGA would be a 2 point favorite over UM, just saying, as if that matters to anything.
Considering Alabama and Texas were favored, probably not much.
Syllogism doesn't necessarily work in every aspect, obviously, but Alabama just beat UGA somewhat convincingly despite the score, and lost to Michigan somewhat convincingly despite the score (and Michigan trying multiple times to give the game away).
I'd pick Michigan in a close game against UGA right now, but I wouldn't be very confident about it.
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Michigan 34- Washington 17.
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Joe Milton is Uncle Rico.
UW could score and win w/o a running game because Penix kept hitting big passes.
I don't think UW is willing to nickel-and-dime short passes down the field for a full game. They NEED or feel the need to go deep very often (compared to other teams).
If UM can just do an umbrella defense and take away the long ball, Penix will still take those chances and it'll retard their offense.
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I like Washington in this game. I think Penix will pass all over them.
I also thought Bama and Texas would win, so there’s that.
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feel like people have been sleeping on Will Johnson all year. He's the best CB in all of college football. As good as Washington's WR's are....and they are freaking really good- none of them are on the level of Marvin Harrison JR- that guy stands alone- he can't be seen by any WRs in college. None. And Will Johnson has done about as good a job on him as a college CB possibly can the last two years. Will Johnson is flat out just a true shutdown corner. Mikey Sainistril is a hell of a nickel- sure tackler, big hitter, big-time play maker on the football- but he also can get put in the blender and gets burnt badly from time to time. Washington getting favorable matchup in the slot and attacking him scares me a little bit- because he can be beat time to time. CB2 Josh Wallace has been a pleasant surprise. He's actually been way better than I thought he would coming in the portal from UMass- especially during the last month of the season when he started to get healthy and get more comfortable in the system. Michigan's safeties are pretty damn good as well- Rod Moore is an ELITE free safety and Makari Paige is a damn good strong safety. Michigan's secondary is pretty damn good.
Penix played a virtually flawless game- escaped pressure every single time and made insane contested throws- and literally just about every 50-50 ball he threw his WRs came down with. He and his WR's are going to have to do that again vs a much better defense than what Texas trotted out. IF they can- more power to them.
But I also feel like Washington won't have as many opportunities to have the ball because Michigan will just try to ground and pound them and lean on them and play keep away.
Should be a really great game.
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feel like people have been sleeping on Will Johnson all year. He's the best CB in all of college football. As good as Washington's WR's are....and they are freaking really good- none of them are on the level of Marvin Harrison JR- that guy stands alone- he can't be seen by any WRs in college. None. And Will Johnson has done about as good a job on him as a college CB possibly can the last two years. Will Johnson is flat out just a true shutdown corner. Mikey Sainistril is a hell of a nickel- sure tackler, big hitter, big-time play maker on the football- but he also can get put in the blender and gets burnt badly from time to time. Washington getting favorable matchup in the slot and attacking him scares me a little bit- because he can be beat time to time. CB2 Josh Wallace has been a pleasant surprise. He's actually been way better than I thought he would coming in the portal from UMass- especially during the last month of the season when he started to get healthy and get more comfortable in the system. Michigan's safeties are pretty damn good as well- Rod Moore is an ELITE free safety and Makari Paige is a damn good strong safety. Michigan's secondary is pretty damn good.
Penix played a virtually flawless game- escaped pressure every single time and made insane contested throws- and literally just about every 50-50 ball he threw his WRs came down with. He and his WR's are going to have to do that again vs a much better defense than what Texas trotted out. IF they can- more power to them.
But I also feel like Washington won't have as many opportunities to have the ball because Michigan will just try to ground and pound them and lean on them and play keep away.
Should be a really great game.
Yeah no kidding. Washington and Penix played great against Texas, but they also had a tremendous amount of luck. They scored a TD on a ball where the Texas defender was in perfect position and tipped the ball, and it just so happened to fall right into the hands of the Husky receiver streaking into the endzone. In a 1-score game, that TD was literally the difference between winning and losing.
But even so, I do think you're over-estimating Michigan's defense against Washington. I think the Huskies are going to score 24-28. It'll be up to Michigan's offense to match or better that.
Hoping for a Michigan win but I won't be surprised if it goes the other way.
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i like mich in a close game.
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Yeah no kidding. Washington and Penix played great against Texas, but they also had a tremendous amount of luck. They scored a TD on a ball where the Texas defender was in perfect position and tipped the ball, and it just so happened to fall right into the hands of the Husky receiver streaking into the endzone. In a 1-score game, that TD was literally the difference between winning and losing.
But even so, I do think you're over-estimating Michigan's defense against Washington. I think the Huskies are going to score 24-28. It'll be up to Michigan's offense to match or better that.
Hoping for a Michigan win but I won't be surprised if it goes the other way.
Maybe. But I don't think so. Washington hasn't seen a front 7 playing in the PAC as gnarly or deep as Michigan's nor a CB that can take a #1 WR out and lock down a side of the field by himself the way that Will Johnson can. Michigan's defense the last 3 years under the Ravens' 3-4 disciple DC's that John loaned out to Jeem have been designed to stop Ohio State offenses with more skill talent than what Washington has been bringing to the table- and they've been largely successful in doing so- and this 2023 defense is the best defense of the last 3 playoff teams. Lot of these same players have played elite skill talent- playing the kind of talent that Washington has at the skill positions will not be a shock to them.
Washington probably just will not be able to run the football on Michigan's front. And if Michigan doesn't have to even worry about the run, then Jesse Minter can get creative with his pressures and just pass rush the sh*t out of Penix all game long. On the flip side of that, Washington's defense is 130th in success rate against the run and they are 112th on defense in red zone rushing touchdowns allowed. I have the feeling that Michigan is just going to smash the shit out of Washington and control the clock and game flow and take the air out of the ball- and that Washington won't have very many opportunities to put up huge stats.
I was super nervous vs Bama, precisely because of Bama's elite defense. Michigan seemed to have no problem with 4 of the best defenses in CFB when they went on the road and slayed Penn State's gnarly defense, beat Ohio State's elite defense at home, beat Iowa's defense in the B1GCCG, and just beat Bama's defense in the Rose Bowl. Washington's defense has very little shot at stopping a Michigan team that is pissed and on a mission imo. They'll have to play the absolute game of their lives PLUS Michigan will have to blow it with some pick 6's (like JJ did last year vs TCU) for that to happen imo.
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Maybe. But I don't think so. Washington hasn't seen a front 7 playing in the PAC as gnarly or deep as Michigan's nor a CB that can take a #1 WR out and lock down a side of the field by himself the way that Will Johnson can. Michigan's defense the last 3 years under the Ravens' 3-4 disciple DC's that John loaned out to Jeem have been designed to stop Ohio State offenses with more skill talent than what Washington has been bringing to the table- and they've been largely successful in doing so- and this 2023 defense is the best defense of the last 3 playoff teams. Lot of these same players have played elite skill talent- playing the kind of talent that Washington has at the skill positions will not be a shock to them.
Washington probably just will not be able to run the football on Michigan's front. And if Michigan doesn't have to even worry about the run, then Jesse Minter can get creative with his pressures and just pass rush the sh*t out of Penix all game long. On the flip side of that, Washington's defense is 130th in success rate against the run and they are 112th on defense in red zone rushing touchdowns allowed. I have the feeling that Michigan is just going to smash the shit out of Washington and control the clock and game flow and take the air out of the ball- and that Washington won't have very many opportunities to put up huge stats.
I was super nervous vs Bama, precisely because of Bama's elite defense. Michigan seemed to have no problem with 4 of the best defenses in CFB when they went on the road and slayed Penn State's gnarly defense, beat Ohio State's elite defense at home, beat Iowa's defense in the B1GCCG, and just beat Bama's defense in the Rose Bowl. Washington's defense has very little shot at stopping a Michigan team that is pissed and on a mission imo. They'll have to play the absolute game of their lives PLUS Michigan will have to blow it with some pick 6's (like JJ did last year vs TCU) for that to happen imo.
Ah okay we're getting the super-positive nobody-can-ever-stop Michigan side of manic MDot today, got it. :)
I GUESS that's better than fatalistic fire-everyone-at-Michigan MDot. I'm not sure though.
Gonna be a close game. Your rhetoric indicates you believe otherwise. You should probably check that before you wreck that.
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Times are changing, as always. NIL is cutting into the SEC’s bagman advantage. No wonder Saban doesn’t like it and is holding out his hat for NIL money.
PS. Paul Finebalm’s ears are the largest I’ve ever seen on a human.
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Ah okay we're getting the super-positive nobody-can-ever-stop Michigan side of manic MDot today, got it. :)
I GUESS that's better than fatalistic fire-everyone-at-Michigan MDot. I'm not sure though.
Gonna be a close game. Your rhetoric indicates you believe otherwise. You should probably check that before you wreck that.
First positive UW play, mdot turns into Chicken Little with the sky falling.
Fun fact: that Fansville commercial where everyone goes apeshit after 1 bad play is based on mdot.
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Times are changing, as always. NIL is cutting into the SEC’s bagman advantage. No wonder Saban doesn’t like it and is holding out his hat for NIL money.
PS. Paul Finebalm’s ears are the largest I’ve ever seen on a human.
All the better to hear you.
Or not.
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First positive UW play, mdot turns into Chicken Little with the sky falling.
Fun fact: that Fansville commercial where everyone goes apeshit after 1 bad play is based on mdot.
accurate. lol.
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Ah okay we're getting the super-positive nobody-can-ever-stop Michigan side of manic MDot today, got it. :)
I GUESS that's better than fatalistic fire-everyone-at-Michigan MDot. I'm not sure though.
Gonna be a close game. Your rhetoric indicates you believe otherwise. You should probably check that before you wreck that.
Lol.
I am just looking at the match-ups and the team statistics. Michigan has a pretty significant edge in all the advanced stats and metrics and I just think that they will be able to control the game on the lines of scrimmage, get more stops on defense than Washington will, and be able to run the ball and control the clock.
Washington's QB & WR's were insanely perfect vs Texas. Hard to do replicate that kind of performance two weeks in a row, especially when going up against an even better team/defense in Michigan. It could happen, obviously. But I tend to think things like controlling the LOS, playing stingy defense, and running the football are more reliable and easier to lean on than a QB/passing game being absolutely on fire and nearly perfect.
Just feel like this was the best most favorable matchup of all the teams in the playoff for Michigan. Washington's defense is legitimately very bad vs the run. Pretty decent at rushing the passer, and OK against the pass- but they are downright terrible vs the run.
As long as they don't have another game with special teams disasters like they did vs BAMA and as long as JJ McCarthy doesn't throw 2 pick 6's and fumble the ball at the 1 yard line on a 1st and goal like he did vs TCU- Michigan will win this game imo.
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Maybe. But I don't think so. Washington hasn't seen a front 7 playing in the PAC as gnarly or deep as Michigan's nor a CB that can take a #1 WR out and lock down a side of the field by himself the way that Will Johnson can. Michigan's defense the last 3 years under the Ravens' 3-4 disciple DC's that John loaned out to Jeem have been designed to stop Ohio State offenses with more skill talent than what Washington has been bringing to the table- and they've been largely successful in doing so- and this 2023 defense is the best defense of the last 3 playoff teams. Lot of these same players have played elite skill talent- playing the kind of talent that Washington has at the skill positions will not be a shock to them.
McCord was on the 37 with a chance to win the Game,he's no Penix.If their O-Line can give him time it will be a hell of a game
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Washington seems like a poser, just casually, but they handled Texas. I'd go with UM something like 27-21.
I really think next year could be a catastrophe.
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Jesse Minter is ready to let his Michigan defense speak for itself. The defensive coordinator is aware that the ACC officiating crew set to call Monday’s national championship has a history of calling pass interference penalties.
Minter said he’s aware that the officiating crew has the highest PI rate of any crew in the country. That is a dangerous mix given Washington’s wide receivers and their propensity to produce big plays down the field.
“They draw about as much PIs as anybody in football as well with the times they throw the ball downfield. So a great challenge,” Minter said Saturday at the media day for the national championship. “Our guys gotta play really disciplined, really technique driven.”
However, Minter said that won’t change how the Michigan defense will approach the matchup.
“But not be afraid to go make plays and go make plays on the ball,” he said. “So we’re not going to let the numbers of that dictate how we play. We’re going to go play our style of football. We’re one of the least penalized teams in college football as a team and as a defense. So we’re looking forward to putting our best out there and seeing if it’s good enough.”
Michigan, in fact, is No. 2 in the country in number of penalties per game at just 2.9 for 26.2 yards.
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Yeah no kidding. Washington and Penix played great against Texas, but they also had a tremendous amount of luck. They scored a TD on a ball where the Texas defender was in perfect position and tipped the ball, and it just so happened to fall right into the hands of the Husky receiver streaking into the endzone. In a 1-score game, that TD was literally the difference between winning and losing.
You can say Michigan got lucky late also it was the in the 4thqtr just over 2 minutes left. It was when one lineman tipped a JJ pass that would have been overthrown but had enough hang time and slowed it up enough that Wilson went up and snagged it. Nice grab sure but would have been incomplete had it not been slowed by the tip - it happens
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luck happens
so does shit
if you don't want a bit of luck or a call by the zebras to beat you, go kick some ass and win by a couple scores
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Quit your bitching have UNL lose the shit and find some luck
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leading the NCAA in turnovers year after year after year is a bitch!
hopefully, Dana Holgorsen & Dylan Raiola can fix that
O:-)
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You can say Michigan got lucky late also it was the in the 4thqtr just over 2 minutes left. It was when one lineman tipped a JJ pass that would have been overthrown but had enough hang time and slowed it up enough that Wilson went up and snagged it. Nice grab sure but would have been incomplete had it not been slowed by the tip - it happens
Nah I saw that one differently. It was a matter of trajectory. The pass was a bullet that was deflected upwards, which is why Wilson had to go up for it. I think had it not been tipped, it would have been lower than it was being tipped when it got to Wilson and probably hit him at chest level.
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yup, would have had more speed and been out in front of him a foot in stride
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nope would have been incomplete the hang time gave wilson time to adjust.And also that punt that was fumbled almost going into the EZ with like 46 seconds left getting back to the one. Funny bounces
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what are you drinkin with YOUR sponge cake this fine morning?
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Nah I saw that one differently. It was a matter of trajectory. The pass was a bullet that was deflected upwards, which is why Wilson had to go up for it. I think had it not been tipped, it would have been lower than it was being tipped when it got to Wilson and probably hit him at chest level.
Exactly this. Maybe he didn’t see the replay because the replay shows that it pushes the ball upwards and ever so slightly it’s tipped, which is why it barely alters the pass at all, but does slightly. And let’s be real, there’s no way any of us can know the outcome if it’s not tipped. No chance we can confirm it would have been incomplete.
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If it was tipped, the fungibility of the attempt changes for the positive with respect to various outcomes.
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Minter said he’s aware that the officiating crew has the highest PI rate of any crew in the country. That is a dangerous mix given Washington’s wide receivers and their propensity to produce big plays down the field.
Could be a very interesting angle here. What if this is a psychological move by Minter with the officials? What if he knows the Washington receiving core is a massive threat and the message to the defense is if you are beat, be overly physical and ensure you blow up the play because losing 15 yards on a penalty is better than a 40 yard reception.. and maybe him commenting on how often they call it, gets him a free pass on a play that was borderline call?
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what are you drinkin with YOUR sponge cake this fine morning?
Not Bud Fat,whole bean coffee i grind and still using eggnog as the creamer from the Holidays
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Minter might be that smart
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If it was tipped, the fungibility of the attempt changes for the positive with respect to various outcomes.
any time a pass is attempted and completed there's a certain amount of luck involved
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Not Bud Fat,whole bean coffee i grind and still using eggnog as the creamer from the Holidays
finished my 2 cups of Joe a couple hours ago
daughter got me a mug warmer for Xmas - it works!
didn't need the microwave
going to the Bud Fat a few minutes before kickoff of the Lion's game
this Viking fan is rooting for the Lions this afternoon
Vikes got nothing to play for except a better draft pick
gonna be tuff wearing purple, but the Budweiser might help
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any time a pass is attempted and completed there's a certain amount of luck involved
Talking females or football?Asking for a friend
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A lot of pretty random events can happen when attempting a pass. So, I'd agree there is some luck involved, in some cases, a lot of luck, good or bad.
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going to the Bud Fat a few minutes before kickoff of the Lion's game
this Viking fan is rooting for the Lions this afternoon
Vikes got nothing to play for except a better draft pick
gonna be tuff wearing purple, but the Budweiser might help
Too many Yuengling Draughts Friday,Great Lakes cocktails for me until K.O. tomorrow
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Talking females or football?Asking for a friend
both 'em
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Could be a very interesting angle here. What if this is a psychological move by Minter with the officials? What if he knows the Washington receiving core is a massive threat and the message to the defense is if you are beat, be overly physical and ensure you blow up the play because losing 15 yards on a penalty is better than a 40 yard reception.. and maybe him commenting on how often they call it, gets him a free pass on a play that was borderline call?
@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) & @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) ........
Do Ya'll recall multiple or egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies?
obviously, 10 penalties, but only 66 yards vs the Horns - gotta by mostly 5 yarders
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) & @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) ........
Do Ya'll recall multiple or egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies?
obviously, 10 penalties, but only 66 yards vs the Horns - gotta by mostly 5 yarders
its also the non calls thats important
But Mr pot stirrer the game is over no need to make excuses we lost move on
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Depends on whose ox is getting gored
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I was askin cause my memory ain't good and wondering if Minter is really on to something that might hinder Michigan's defense
My memory is Washington's WRs catching every derned contested ball and almost all of them were well covered and contested
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Well good let them keep catching and hope for some flags too
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Tired of all this effin projection. Play the damn game already.
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I was askin cause my memory ain't good and wondering if Minter is really on to something that might hinder Michigan's defense
My memory is Washington's WRs catching every derned contested ball and almost all of them were well covered and contested
That’s my memory as well. I don’t remember any pass interference nor any I thought should have been called but weren’t. That being said, my eyes and heart were in a daze of roses.
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Tired of all this effin projection. Play the damn game already.
Do you have a fast forward button?
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Penix is probably the most fun for me to watch, so while I don't have a dawg in the fight, I'll probably find myself rooting for Washington.
But I think Michigan wins.
If UW pulls it out then I'll go 0-fer in my playoff picks.
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typical
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I figure I gotta get one right sooner or later.
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) & @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) ........
Do Ya'll recall multiple or egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies?
obviously, 10 penalties, but only 66 yards vs the Horns - gotta by mostly 5 yarders
Horns were called twice for holding, on back-to-back plays no less, pushing them back 25 yards and killing a drive.
Huskies, the second-most penalized team in all of FBS college football, were called for zero holding penalties, despite facing the two best and nastiest interior defensive linemen, in all of college football. 129 outta 130, no lie. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives.
Late DPI called on Texas extended the Huskies drive and effectively ensured Texas wouldn't have enough time to complete a comeback, while zero DPI called against the Huskes-- again, the second-most penalized team in all of D1-A college football. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives.
Texas was called for 6 penalties before the first call went against Washington. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives, despite being the second-most penalized team in all of D1-A college football.
Anyway, like lh320 said, the game's over. But it sure would have been interesting to watch a game that was fairly called. Horns mighta actually won a game like that. We'll never know.
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thanks for the feedback/input
Just mysterious as to why the helmet team of the two would draw the ire of the refs
most of us here would agree that a Texas/Michigan final would create better TV ratings
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thanks for the feedback/input
Just mysterious as to why the helmet team of the two would draw the ire of the refs
most of us here would agree that a Texas/Michigan final would create better TV ratings
Refs were B1G. Washington is now a B1G team, and those refs had the chance to ensure a B1G vs. B1G CFP final. Not really too hard to fill in the blanks on that one.
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Refs make mistakes obviously. Whether they with intent bias a game for one side is rather more dubious in my view.
I'm sure it has happened.
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Refs were B1G. Washington is now a B1G team, and those refs had the chance to ensure a B1G vs. B1G CFP final. Not really too hard to fill in the blanks on that one.
That seems like a reach.
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If UW pulls it out then I'll go 0-fer in my playoff picks.
O:-)
Dear Lord please assisit MDT in his bid to stay perfect
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Penix is probably the most fun for me to watch, so while I don't have a dawg in the fight, I'll probably find myself rooting for Washington.
But I think Michigan wins.
If UW pulls it out then I'll go 0-fer in my playoff picks.
Penix is awesome to watch- he spins that ball like no one else in CFB right now. Their WR's are excellent as well. Should be an awesome game.
I just think like you that Michigan should be able to control the lines of scrimmage on both sides- play some keep away and take the ball out of Penix's hands, shorten the game, and limit Washington's offensive opportunities. Which will put even more pressure on Penix, that OL, and those WR's to be nearly perfect.
Michigan can't have any more special teams disasters like they did vs Bama in round 1, and the JJ that crapped his pants and threw pick 6's and fumbled on 1st and goal in round 1 last year vs TCU can't show up either. IF they play a clean game on special teams and JJ doesn't turn it over and they just RUN THE DAMN BALL- they *should* win imo.
But that's why they play the damn games- 'cause weird sh*t happens out on that field....and anything can happen.
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I just think like you that Michigan should be able to control the lines of scrimmage on both sides- play some keep away and take the ball out of Penix's hands, shorten the game, and limit Washington's offensive opportunities. Which will put even more pressure on Penix, that OL, and those WR's to be nearly perfect.
this is what everyone thought of Texas
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Horns were called twice for holding, on back-to-back plays no less, pushing them back 25 yards and killing a drive.
Huskies, the second-most penalized team in all of FBS college football, were called for zero holding penalties, despite facing the two best and nastiest interior defensive linemen, in all of college football. 129 outta 130, no lie. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives.
Late DPI called on Texas extended the Huskies drive and effectively ensured Texas wouldn't have enough time to complete a comeback, while zero DPI called against the Huskes-- again, the second-most penalized team in all of D1-A college football. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives.
Texas was called for 6 penalties before the first call went against Washington. But I'm sure they just played the cleanest game of their lives, despite being the second-most penalized team in all of D1-A college football.
Anyway, like lh320 said, the game's over. But it sure would have been interesting to watch a game that was fairly called. Horns mighta actually won a game like that. We'll never know.
A part of me wants to get into this, as the above examples were not "egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies." But I tend to not get when someone is being tongue in cheek, and this seems like a bit, and thus not serious.
This is a bit, right? Or there's some mention of the uncalled penalties Washington committed coming? Surely the intentional PI and holds that cost 13 yards after Texas missed on third and 14 are not the strongest indicator of unfairness?
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yup, I was asking specifically about penalties on the Horn's secondary against Huskie pass receivers.
This was Minter's assumption
but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome
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but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome
I agree that venting is often nice and healthy. But I'm a dork and just was surprised that the examples were that very much just and fair.
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and, with quite a few hours before kickoff........ gotta have something to talk about
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this is what everyone thought of Texas
Michigan > Texas on the lines of scrimmage, in the secondary, as an overall defense, and as an overall team. By quite a bit imo.
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yup, I was asking specifically about penalties on the Horn's secondary against Huskie pass receivers.
This was Minter's assumption
but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome
It wasn't the count, or the non-count that I noticed. I have no idea where Washington ranks nationally in penalties per game. I mentioned elsewhere, maybe here too, what I saw, which was several missed holding calls that the Huskies should've drawn. I don't recall taking exception to any of the Texas (or Washington) penalties. I had some serious head scratching going on with some non-calls that should've been flagged, and at least a few of those belonged to Washington.
I wouldn't endeavor to say why that would be. As a rule, I don't like assigning to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
I also wouldn't try to say it's why Texas lost. Their offense had all the intensity of a stoned sloth until the last five minutes and Ewers played a crap game against a secondary he should've been able to torch. That looked like the bulk of the problem to me.
But you can't listen to me. I sleep with a Longhorn at night, so I probably have Stockholm Syndrome.
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A part of me wants to get into this, as the above examples were not "egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies." But I tend to not get when someone is being tongue in cheek, and this seems like a bit, and thus not serious.
This is a bit, right? Or there's some mention of the uncalled penalties Washington committed coming? Surely the intentional PI and holds that cost 13 yards after Texas missed on third and 14 are not the strongest indicator of unfairness?
I already mentioned the non-calls.
And I'll point out that I never mentioned the officiating here, until someone asked. The game is over. But I'm not going to sit around and pretend I thought the officiating was in any way "fair."
There were numerous holds of Texas defenders by the Washington o-line, none of which were called. If this were one of those games where the refs simply didn't call holding because "there's holding on every play" then I'd be fine with it. But that wasn't the case. They called holding, but only against one team.
Same thing for DPI. Texas was called for a defensive pass interference that was no different than several plays by Washington defenders. Called against Texas, no-called against Washington.
Like MDT pointed out, it's much more about the non-calls, than the calls. If you're going to ignore holding and DPI, that's fine, it's pretty common in the B12 and I'm accustomed to seeing games called that way. But they only ignored holding and DPI for one team, not both. The sum total of the thumb on the scales, I considered to be egregious.
but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome
I don't think it's appropriate to classify my response as "venting." Like I said, I never even mentioned the penalties on this thread, until you asked lh320 and me, specifically.
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I have no idea where Washington ranks nationally in penalties per game.
One spot away from dead last, in the bad direction.
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I don't think it's appropriate to classify my response as "venting." Like I said, I never even mentioned the penalties on this thread, until you asked lh320 and me, specifically.
duly noted
although I felt like you released a bit of steam
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There were numerous holds of Texas defenders by the Washington o-line, none of which were called. If this were one of those games where the refs simply didn't call holding because "there's holding on every play" then I'd be fine with it. But that wasn't the case. They called holding, but only against one team.
Same thing for DPI. Texas was called for a defensive pass interference that was no different than several plays by Washington defenders. Called against Texas, no-called against Washington.
Gotcha. The mention of obviously correct calls (one of them tactically intelligent) in sort of mundane moments had me off course, as did the sort of general mention of penalty numbers. Made it read like it was more of a "that had to be happening" instead of "I saw that happening." But obviously we know trends don't have to hold.
That said, hopefully some deranged Texas fan assembles a video of the missed calls. Would be interesting, and we have the angles. It wasn't really like the penalties limited Texas much at all (maybe the procedure ones a bit), so definitely more on those harder to ID non-calls.
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deranged Texas fan???
Burnt Eyes is retired ;)
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deranged Texas fan???
Burnt Eyes is retired ;)
He's popped up on surlyhorns recently. I have the disposition to be able to manage through that lunacy, but I'm not sure it's a good thing for Burny to resume posting over there, given he literally has a brain injury... :)
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Gotcha. The mention of obviously correct calls (one of them tactically intelligent) in sort of mundane moments had me off course, as did the sort of general mention of penalty numbers. Made it read like it was more of a "that had to be happening" instead of "I saw that happening." But obviously we know trends don't have to hold.
That said, hopefully some deranged Texas fan assembles a video of the missed calls. Would be interesting, and we have the angles. It wasn't really like the penalties limited Texas much at all (maybe the procedure ones a bit), so definitely more on those harder to ID non-calls.
There are definitely some deranged Texas fans that might do so.
Right now I get the feeling everyone is just letting it go. Despite the officiating, as has been pointed out, if Texas had just showed up with its "A" game I think it's a Longhorn win. Ifs and buts, candy and nuts, etc.
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duly noted
although I felt like you released a bit of steam
Texans are sensitive - Who knew?
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He's popped up on surlyhorns recently. I have the disposition to be able to manage through that lunacy
Ha!!! great portrayal and not the only shabby hamlet of unhinged halfwits - examples abound
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similar to the Bucknutz board
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Is surlyhorns the UT equivalent of the Tiger Rant? That place has a required IQ cap of 80, I have to think.
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One spot away from dead last, in the bad direction.
Hey, just like our defense!
Is it bad that I actually wanted to see them finish dead last after a while? I say if you're going to aim for something, be the best at it.
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Is surlyhorns the UT equivalent of the Tiger Rant? That place has a required IQ cap of 80, I have to think.
Not really.
I don't know how to describe surlyhorns. Overall the posters are fairly smart, and fairly objective compared to most other homer message boards.
But there's this juvenile undercurrent to everything-- a carefully thought out 7 paragraph treatise on the ills of modern offensive-favoring penalty structures, will be followed up with 3 your mom jokes and a half-dozen cartoon pictures of male genitalia.
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Hey, just like our defense!
Is it bad that I actually wanted to see them finish dead last after a while? I say if you're going to aim for something, be the best at it.
makes me wonder if Nebraska finished with the most turnovers
YES!!!
[img width=500 height=186.992]https://i.imgur.com/WshqE14.png[/img]
(https://i.imgur.com/Ql6Cj2j.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/NT1vYTM.png)
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There are definitely some deranged Texas fans that might do so.
Right now I get the feeling everyone is just letting it go. Despite the officiating, as has been pointed out, if Texas had just showed up with its "A" game I think it's a Longhorn win. Ifs and buts, candy and nuts, etc.
I’m always here for someone doing good, detailed film work.
As long as that someone is not me. Because if I’m putting in that much work on a project, someone better be paying me.
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deranged folks aren't motivated by $$$
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I’m always here for someone doing good, detailed film work.
As long as that someone is not me. Because if I’m putting in that much work on a project, someone better be paying me.
Exactly. I have no idea how those folks can spend the kind of time it takes to put together that kind of film work, without being paid. That definitely is not me.
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Count Chris Simms among those college football fans who couldn’t stay awake to see the thrilling end of the Texas-Washington College Football Playoff semifinal.
Simms, a Texas alum who played quarterback in Austin from 1999 to 2002, appeared on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz on Friday and was presumably going to provide some analysis of the CFP games. However, Simms quickly admitted that he had little to say about the Longhorns’ matchup with the Huskies because he fell asleep toward the end of the game.
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Chris Simms never was a winner. I bet Major Applewhite stayed up and watched.
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Not really.
I don't know how to describe surlyhorns. Overall the posters are fairly smart, and fairly objective compared to most other homer message boards.
But there's this juvenile undercurrent to everything-- a carefully thought out 7 paragraph treatise on the ills of modern offensive-favoring penalty structures, will be followed up with 3 your mom jokes and a half-dozen cartoon pictures of male genitalia.
So kinda like this place, when Medina and Sam are having a discussion and then Nubbz and Fearless chime in?
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So kinda like this place, when Medina and Sam are having a discussion and then Nubbz and Fearless chime in?
Precisely!
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Ed Zachery!
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So kinda like this place, when Medina and Sam are having a discussion and then Nubbz and Fearless chime in?
Precisely!
Bastages
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hurtz cause it's true
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We can talk to management about a children's table
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(https://i.imgur.com/j0SG7d6.jpg)
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Why the hell is the AD invoking Bo in a pregame interview?
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Was just watching gameday for the pregame and they had a view of the field that looked like a poorly-stabilized picture from in the crowd.
Are they streaming it directly from Stalions' cellphone, or what?
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Locking in my pick
Michigan 30, Washington 27
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Michigan 42, Washington 20
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I don’t like either teams’ uniforms. Michigan should be in the maize pants and UW the purple pants.
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I took a flyer on UW +4.5.
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they finally decided to try and use Edwards and first carry he breaks a 40 yard td.
Hey maybe you should give him some carries Jeem.
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they finally decided to try and use Edwards and first carry he breaks a 40 yard td.
Hey maybe you should give him some carries Jeem.
It was a good run though he did run into his lineman first
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I don’t like either teams’ uniforms. Michigan should be in the maize pants and UW the purple pants.
Yeah, Michigan has great uniforms, and it seems like they never wear them anymore. Glad they wore them in the Rose Bowl
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Good stop for UM - they will be happy to let Washington drive and kick field goals
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Good stop for UM - they will be happy to let Washington drive and kick field goals
Yup. If Washington can't score on big plays, they don't have a shot
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MDot needs new pants
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if Corum is a true 4.4 guy, Edwards must be 4.1
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if Corum is a true 4.4 guy, Edwards must be 4.1
The misused him all year. I don't get it. Corum is a nice college short yardage back. Edwards is Marshall Faulk
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Jimmy
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End of First and not only are the Wolverines Lines dominating the LoS, but Washington isn’t throwing downfield. Guessing Michigan’s secondary is locking the mid/deep pass down in a way Penix hasn’t seen.
Anyway, posted up with some diehards at the sports bar:
(https://i.imgur.com/meDUADG.jpg)
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Michigan passes...why?
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End of First and not only are the Wolverines Lines dominating the LoS, but Washington isn’t throwing downfield. Guessing Michigan’s secondary is locking the mid/deep pass down in a way Penix hasn’t seen.
Anyway, posted up with some diehards at the sports bar:
(https://i.imgur.com/meDUADG.jpg)
Did you ask him what year he graduated?
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Oof, Washington missed a touchdown
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Oof, Washington missed a touchdown
On 4th and 7 no less. If Michigan can ram the ball down their throat here and go up 24-3 and chew clock while doing so they just might be able to pull away and start burying them.
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Did you ask him what year he graduated?
by the looks of that tat he probably graduated from juvy in ‘89.
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yeah or just throw it a bunch and get a 3 and out…lol.
Should’ve just ran it 3 times in a row…
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Well hey Washington got a stop.
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Michigan passes...why?
Yeah no shit.
They just gave Washington a gift on that drive…JFC.
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Did you ask him what year he graduated?
1998.
From Kalamazoo Valley Community College
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Well hey Washington got a stop.
They played great defense there but Michigan should’ve just ran it 3 times and if it was 4th and less than 4 go for it at midfield.
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Honestly if I'm Michigan I'm trotting out the Penn State game plan until Washington stops it
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Holy fk…Kenneth Grant 😳
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Honestly if I'm Michigan I'm trotting out the Penn State game plan until Washington stops it
1000000%
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Orji screwed up royally, had he given that ball to Edwards it’s probably 6….
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GO FOR IT GOD DAMN IT.
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God awful play call.
Where is the RPO with option for JJ to take off and use his legs and get 3 yards? JFC.
Jeem and his offensive staff are blowing this fking game. Jfc.
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When you are averaging 19 yards a rush, better air it out
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Conversely, why is Washington running the ball so much near the end zone?
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When you are averaging 19 yards a rush, better air it out
Yeah, no sh*t.
Jeem and his offensive staff single handily keeping Washington in this game…
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Piss poor play calling has made this a game
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Well Washington scores and if they can hold we've got a game
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Michigan can’t have nice things. They’ve been dominating this game and are only up 7 and would be up 21 if they would just commit to RUNNING THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL.
JJ is not good. Stop trying to convince the world he is please.
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Michigan has played near perfect football all year, and now in both CFP games they have dominated play and let it be a game with stupid mistakes.
Also, I'm pissed that we've been robbed of this Donovan Edwards all year. He's the most talented RB/WR in the nation
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Piss poor play calling has made this a game
For real. Jeem is an autistic fk who can’t call a brilliant game to save his fking life.
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Michigan has played near perfect football all year, and now in both CFP games they have dominated play and let it be a game with stupid mistakes.
Also, I'm pissed that we've been robbed of this Donovan Edwards all year. He's the most talented RB/WR in the nation
Agree 100%.
Speaks to Jeem’s CTE/Autistic tendencies as a coach. This team is talented af and it wins inspite of him.
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Finishing the interview with Harbaugh by saying, "Molly?"
I think Molly McGrath took that as them kicking it to her, but I think that was a question for Harbaugh
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Michigan can’t have nice things. They’ve been dominating this game and are only up 7 and would be up 21 if they would just commit to RUNNING THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL.
JJ is not good. Stop trying to convince the world he is please.
The dude has a great arm… he can’t read a defense at all. That 4th down play was an easy qb sneak left for a first down.
also, it feels like they never move JJ to roll out and run or if something opens to pass. Like they’re trying to protect him from hits for his draft status.
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Wow, I thought Michigan was going to run away with it for a minute. Now they’re making a game of it. Mich is making Penix look ordinary.
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I gotta say, it feels like UW dodged a bullet. UM was up 17-3 and their next two possessions started at around midfield. No points on either possession and then UDub scores a TD and gets the ball to start the second half.
If I’m a UM fan I’m encouraged we dominated them but frustrated the lead isn’t bigger.
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The dude has a great arm… he can’t read a defense at all. That 4th down play was an easy qb sneak left for a first down.
also, it feels like they never move JJ to roll out and run or if something opens to pass. Like they’re trying to protect him from hits for his draft status.
This is my biggest pet peeve. The kid is athletic as hell and he’s at his absolute best when they move the pocket and let him throw on the run and when they mix in his legs and do read options and designed QB runs.
They are trying to force him to be a pocket passer. He is not any good at that. He’s not Tom Brady and never will be. USE HIS GOD DAMN LEGS.
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This is my biggest pet peeve. The kid is athletic as hell and he’s at his absolute best when they move the pocket and let him throw on the run and when they mix in his legs and do read options and designed QB runs.
They are trying to force him to be a pocket passer. He is not any good at that. He’s not Tom Brady and never will be. USE HIS GOD DAMN LEGS.
Mistake made so often in our world. Trying to convince someone to be something they aren’t and convince them it’s in their best interest rather than push them to just be who they are and let their unique talents carry them to success that looks different.
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I'm sure that's what held me back
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Sticking with my prediction.
M 31- W 20.
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Last year's Edwards suddenly appeared. Weird.
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Well that helps
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Will Johnson is insanely good. Best CB in cfb.
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UM's offense should be running Oregon's playbook.
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Well OL can’t quit false starting and McCarthy still sucks…
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Well OL can’t quit false starting and McCarthy still sucks…
No misdirection. No moving McCarthy anywhere outside the pocket. No first downs that aren’t running Corum right.
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No misdirection. No moving McCarthy anywhere outside the pocket. No first downs that aren’t running Corum right.
Speaking of Corum…share the ball a little bit…they have to give Edwards the fking ball. He has like 4 carries….FEED HIM THE DAMN BALL.
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Washington has figured out Michigan’s dynamic rushing attack. Going to turn this into what the Bama game was.
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Michigan just keeps letting UDub hang around. Turnover only results in a FG.
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Washington has figured out Michigan’s dynamic rushing attack. Going to turn this into what the Bama game was.
Well since the 2nd quarter it’s been have a bunch of guys in motion then run the ball right.
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0 fer 6 on 3rd downs for michigan
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Washington has figured out Michigan’s dynamic rushing attack. Going to turn this into what the Bama game was.
Disagree.
Michigan isn’t involving McCarthy AT ALL and incorporating the read option and they are BARELY giving Edwards the ball.
Edwards gets them to 3rd and 2, so naturally they take him out and out Corum in and call a run up the gut and Washington loads the box into the middle and stuffs it…
How about keep Edwards in and call a read option or motion Edwards to the slot from the backfield and get him on a backer and throw it to him maybe….
Michigans offensive play calling and personnel usage is BLOWING what should be a dominating victory.
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If a defender grabs the hoodie of a ball carrier to make a tackle is that legal? I would think it is. That doesn’t meet the standard for a horse collar.
If you’re a back or receiver why would you wear a hood sticking out of your jersey? It screams “grab me!”
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So UM remembered Edwards is their best player, and then immediately abandoned him again?
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So UM remembered Edwards is their best player, and then immediately abandoned him again?
Yeah no shit…it’s driving me fking nuts…
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If a defender grabs the hoodie of a ball carrier to make a tackle is that legal? I would think it is. That doesn’t meet the standard for a horse collar.
If you’re a back or receiver why would you wear a hood sticking out of your jersey? It screams “grab me!”
if you're playing football
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I'm so confused as to how this is a game. Penix has been bad, and Michigan has seemingly dominated play. Aside from some stupid play calls,.I don't know what Michigan has done wrong. I figured Penix had to be nearly perfect for them to keep it close
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Washington has really left some plays on the field tonight.
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I'm so confused as to how this is a game. Penix has been bad, and Michigan has seemingly dominated play. Aside from some stupid play calls,.I don't know what Michigan has done wrong. I figured Penix had to be nearly perfect for them to keep it close
Agree. A buddy of mine just made the same point. It should be like 34-13 right now.
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I bet all that mindfulness stuff goes out the window when your WR drops a perfect pass, lol.
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Michigan could make this much more exciting by evening up the turnovers
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I was not expecting a defensive game
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I bet all that mindfulness stuff goes out the window when your WR drops a perfect pass, lol.
Lmao
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I was not expecting a defensive game
Yeah, no matter what happens, UM holding UW to 13 points into the 4th quarter is legit.
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Yikes, that wasn't even mildly a hold
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Loveland was a 4* recruit, and a top 10 TE. What the hell are they talking about?
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That should do it. Congrats to the Michigan fans on here. Great season.
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Corngrats Michigan!
B1G, B1G, B1G!
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Just got home, didn't see the game but congrats to our Michigan posters, appears to be a thorough arse-whipping.
I'll say it... MDot was right. :)
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Congrats to TTUN.
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Agree. A buddy of mine just made the same point. It should be like 34-13 right now.
And, there it is. :)
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Nice win for the Big Blue. Enjoy it UM fans- well earned. No question about who is the best team.
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Nice win for the Big Blue. Enjoy it UM fans- well earned. No question about who is the best team.
Not many teams will have a run in their last 4 games like the Wolverines did this year-- beating Ohio State, skunking Iowa in the B1G CCG, then beating Saban's Tide, and finishing off with a pounding of undefeated Washington.
That's one way to shed the "can't win the big one" label.
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Welcome to the 3x national champs club.
-Florida
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A great win. Michigan defense was simply unreal. Sainistril drove me nuts on coverage last week and most of the game this week and then was so patient on that pick.
Feel terrible for Penix. He took a beating. Ankle early, then ribs. Really tough kid.
Holding - definitely two on Michigan missed. I always think there’s plenty missed every game, but two clearly missed on Michigan. The one on Washington I want to see the original angle again. The live view, I thought it was a hold and a horse collar. The replay was borderline. Want to see coverage again.
Donovan Edwards was very misused this year. Man what a talent. Michigan play calling.. my goodness. Finally at the end of the game they targeted Loveland, ran jj and spread the field out after Washington load the box after q1. Offensive play calling took too long to adjust the last two games.
Jj - should return. He’s not ready for the nfl at all. Great kid. Throws a great ball. Cannot read defense.
All that said. Pretty special one for Michigan fans. Starting with Appalachian state, it was a pretty tough stretch. As the sports world continues on a bizarre path, it was nice to sneak this one in before it changes further in the wrong direction.
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Welcome to the 3x national champs club.
-Florida
You are aware of when college football started, correct?
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The year Steve Spurrier won the Heisman?
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You are aware of when college football started, correct?
In the poll era (1936-present), UM had 2 national championships.
If you want to include pre-leather helmet NCs where UM played 6 "non-majors" -ie FCS-level or worse, feel free.
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So that would be no
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I guess UCF has a NC in your eyes.
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The year Steve Spurrier won the Heisman?
What is 1966, Alex?
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I guess UCF has a NC in your eyes.
Weird straw man. Do they claim one before 1936, that is only disregarded for being too long ago?
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Congratulations, Michigan football!
Professor Ehrhardt, my torts professor at FSU, in 1980, was outstanding at leading the class in the Socratic method, which involves constantly asking questions and pointing at class members to give answers. In1980, during rivalry week, his class started out with the question, "What do Ohio State University, and University of Florida have in common?"
Any guesses, given the year involved - 1980?
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mich was very impressive last night. bravo.
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I went to bed after the pick, but great job Michigan bringing the title back up north. Kind of cool how the 4 team playoffs began and ended in much the same way with OSU and Michigan.
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Not many teams will have a run in their last 4 games like the Wolverines did this year-- beating Ohio State, skunking Iowa in the B1G CCG, then beating Saban's Tide, and finishing off with a pounding of undefeated Washington.
2014
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tOSU 42
Mich 28
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tOSU 59
UW 0
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tOSU 42
BAMA 35
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tOSU 42
DUCKS 20
😎
But have their time in the sun before the Posse arrives
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Michigan played like their hair was on fire is the only reason they won. ;)
Congrats !
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Okay, I'll piss in the cornflakes.
I'm kinda disappointed with last night's game.
Michigan's defense did great, so they're off the hook here. Washington's defense did as well as I think they're capable of, after the first quarter, so while not spectacular, they're off the hook too.
I would like to see Michigan go balls to the wall on offense. Their drive to go up 27-13 near the end was a thing of beauty. This, after Washington had adjusted their alignment and sold out to stop the run for 2.5 quarters. They were begging Michigan to turn McCarthy loose. I just want to see it. I know that's not how Michigan wants to play their games, but I want to see what they can do when they decide "Screw it, screw ball control, we're gonna go score every drive." Moore's play designs are brilliant, the timing of his playcalls were masterful in both playoff games. I just want to see him unleash the full fury non-stop so we can all see what's really in there under Michigan's hood.
On the other side, Penix and his receivers nerf'd something fierce. Michigan won like 70% of the plays while on defense, by which I mean they either forced the shallow screens or they covered well and closed off the run lanes and forced UW to have unproductive plays. That 30% of the time when UW "won" the play design and created opportunities, I lost count of how many balls Penix sailed or under-threw, and when he got it there, the receivers couldn't make basic grabs. Although it's still a small handful of plays, that's what teams like Washington are built on, and they change the course of games. I guess what I'm saying is, when Michigan wasn't beating UW on a play, I would like to have seen UW not beat themselves on the play. Granted, maybe Penix was playing hurt. And the duress he was under on many plays probably got in his head and gave him the yips even when he wasn't under duress. But I expected better from him.
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All that said, big congrats to Michigan for an undefeated season. I can nitpick anything, but I can never fault a team for doing exactly what they need to do, and that's precisely what Michigan did. And I have to be fair and admit that I really enjoyed the tons of outstanding defense Michigan displayed on so many plays. In an era of explosive offenses where defense seems like the red-headed stepchild, Michigan has been enjoyable to watch this year. The defensive performance last night was quite something.
All said, it's felt for a while now like Michigan was the one team with no glaring weaknesses, thus, the most complete team. So by extension, it feels like the right team won this year. Cheers, Michigan fans! Hope y'all enjoy this for months and years to come.
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I would like to see Michigan go balls to the wall on offense. Their drive to go up 27-13 near the end was a thing of beauty. This, after Washington had adjusted their alignment and sold out to stop the run for 2.5 quarters. They were begging Michigan to turn McCarthy loose. I just want to see it. I know that's not how Michigan wants to play their games, but I want to see what they can do when they decide "Screw it, screw ball control, we're gonna go score every drive." Moore's play designs are brilliant, the timing of his playcalls were masterful in both playoff games. I just want to see him unleash the full fury non-stop so we can all see what's really in there under Michigan's hood.
This isn’t pissing in cornflakes. In fact, I think a lot of Michigan fans would completely agree. I want to see what they could do.. like similar to quarter 1. Washington adjusted in q2, so adjust and spread the field and get JJ mobile and stop running and sitting him in the pocket over and over. They almost lost against Bama for not opening it up sooner. Your post is spot it. It was a great win, but I found myself annoyed at offensive play calling for a large part of thr middle of the the
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Congratulations, Michigan football!
Professor Ehrhardt, my torts professor at FSU, in 1980, was outstanding at leading the class in the Socratic method, which involves constantly asking questions and pointing at class members to give answers. In1980, during rivalry week, his class started out with the question, "What do Ohio State University, and University of Florida have in common?"
Any guesses, given the year involved - 1980?
sorry, you told this story in the past, but I don't remember the punch line
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game would have really been a barnburner if Penix and his receivers would have played like they did vs the Horns
some credit for that to the Michigan defense
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This isn’t pissing in cornflakes. In fact, I think a lot of Michigan fans would completely agree. I want to see what they could do.. like similar to quarter 1. Washington adjusted in q2, so adjust and spread the field and get JJ mobile and stop running and sitting him in the pocket over and over. They almost lost against Bama for not opening it up sooner. Your post is spot it. It was a great win, but I found myself annoyed at offensive play calling for a large part of thr middle of the the
So, question for Michigan fans. This is obviously Harbaugh's preferred path, but do you think it's also Moore's? Suppose Moore had complete free reign to design a game plan and call a game in any way he felt like. Do you think it would open up more, or would he keep doing what he's doing?
It's a purely speculative and hypothetical question, but, it may have some bearing in the real world, as JH is always an enigma wrapped in a conundrum as far as his job permanence, and, supposing he were to move on at some point, then imo Michigan already has their next coach on staff. Seems to me Moore did a great job in JH's absence this year and it wouldn't surprise me if he got the gig, and I think that would be a good move on their part.
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Congrats to Michigan and fans!
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Has anyone else noticed that Penix throws like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite?
Congrats to Big Blue.
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yup, it's why I don't want the Vikings to draft Penix
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I went to bed after the pick, but great job Michigan bringing the title back up north. Kind of cool how the 4 team playoffs began and ended in much the same way with OSU and Michigan.
that is actually pretty cool
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JJ - should return. He’s not ready for the nfl at all. Great kid. Throws a great ball. Cannot read defense.
agree 100%. he has the height (6'3ish), plus athleticism for the position, and a really good arm- but he ain't ready for the NFL. He has the raw tools necessary, but needs the polish. He needs to put on some more bulk (at least 10ish pounds) and he needs to learn how to read defenses and process better.
IF JJ comes back and keeps working on his game and IF they can convince Donovan Edwards to come back and be the lead back and actually use him- Michigan will have a shot at repeating- even if Jeem leaves- so long as they promote Sherrone Moore to HC and give Jesse Minter a FAT pay raise to stay on as DC.
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May not have the line next season so no chance to have time to do so.Stock will never be higher ask Cardale,absolutely on a 3 game tear throwing darts. Promised his old coach in Cleveland he'd come back and did. Prolly cost him some coin though
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So, question for Michigan fans. This is obviously Harbaugh's preferred path, but do you think it's also Moore's? Suppose Moore had complete free reign to design a game plan and call a game in any way he felt like. Do you think it would open up more, or would he keep doing what he's doing?
Such a good question. I lean towards it being a Harbaugh thing. After watching Moore take over the coaching when Harbaugh was out, i started thinking it was Moore too, but even though Moore was running the game, Jim was still dictating the plan leading up to the game.
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May not have the line next season so no chance to have time to do so.Stock will never be higher ask Cardale,absolutely on a 3 game tear throwing darts. Promised his old coach in Cleveland he'd come back and did. Prolly cost him some coin though
they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they've shown the last 3 years they've been able to do that. The DL will still be stacked. Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rayshaun Benny all return on the interior. All 4 of their EDGE rushers have eligibility remaining- with Derrick Moore having to return because he's only a sophomore. Stewart and McGregor are both likely to return imo. Harrell has been a 3 year starter, and might go NFL. And their best player on defense returns as well in CB Will Johnson. Losing Mikey Sainistril is really going to hurt however- he's just a big-time play maker and leader.
The key for them will be keeping Jesse Minter on at DC and convincing JJ & Donovan Edwards to come back.
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agree 100%. he has the height (6'3ish), plus athleticism for the position, and a really good arm- but he ain't ready for the NFL. He has the raw tools necessary, but needs the polish. He needs to put on some more bulk (at least 10ish pounds) and he needs to learn how to read defenses and process better.
I'd go the opposite way.
I'm not sure that a Harbaugh offense is going to be the right place for him to develop, and the downside if he ends up becoming a higher draft pick is that a team that drafts him will expect him to start right away and expose his lack of development.
I'd strike while the iron is hot and he can show out well in the combine and display his arm to scouts, get himself drafted by a team with an aging starter who needs a "QB of the future", and develop as the backup while cashing NFL checks.
With his height and arm, he's gonna get drafted decently high, but it might be better for his future to get drafted by a team that actually has a plan to develop him rather than a team that needs him immediately.
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I'd go the opposite way.
I'm not sure that a Harbaugh offense is going to be the right place for him to develop, and the downside if he ends up becoming a higher draft pick is that a team that drafts him will expect him to start right away and expose his lack of development.
I'd strike while the iron is hot and he can show out well in the combine and display his arm to scouts, get himself drafted by a team with an aging starter who needs a "QB of the future", and develop as the backup while cashing NFL checks.
With his height and arm, he's gonna get drafted decently high, but it might be better for his future to get drafted by a team that actually has a plan to develop him rather than a team that needs him immediately.
Completely agree with the second part if he does go into the league.. He needs a team to draft him that aren't looking for immediate start.
That being said, I think he should stay because he needs to grow in reading defenses, needs his body to age a little to add a little more size and this is honestly a competitive draft class at QB. 2025 look thin imo, so I think a year further developing and less competition moves him further up.
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:s_laugh:
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Pot-stirrer.
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Speaking of stirring pots, lemme lob a final grenade on the place before I disappear for the off-season.
Ohio State fans.....sorry, there's not going to be any asterisks or vacated wins.
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Speaking of stirring pots, lemme lob a final grenade on the place before I disappear for the off-season.
Ohio State fans.....sorry, there's not going to be any asterisks or vacated wins.
Dude, why are you harshing on their mellow?
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Bad shrimp
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I went to bed after the pick, but great job Michigan bringing the title back up north. Kind of cool how the 4 team playoffs began and ended in much the same way with OSU and Michigan.
Both times creating a lot of hullaballoo for something that we could have settled with a simple Rose Bowl
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[img width=499.997 height=499.997]https://i.imgur.com/FYUGFjw.jpg[/img]
Up until this year, they'd been getting all McTerps on the zebras.
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good call Don Brown...
https://twitter.com/iamSauceGardner/status/1744760545893323021?s=20
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Completely agree with the second part if he does go into the league.. He needs a team to draft him that aren't looking for immediate start.
That being said, I think he should stay because he needs to grow in reading defenses, needs his body to age a little to add a little more size and this is honestly a competitive draft class at QB. 2025 look thin imo, so I think a year further developing and less competition moves him further up.
ESPN put out their first post season mock today and have him #12 to Denver.
In theory, I agree, but in a capped league, where just a decent starting QB is going to eat up a ton of your cap, you really can't afford to draft a QB to sit him. All that does is waste one of his cheap years. Any Round 1 guy is going to be expected to start Day 1.
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ESPN put out their first post season mock today and have him #12 to Denver.
In theory, I agree, but in a capped league, where just a decent starting QB is going to eat up a ton of your cap, you really can't afford to draft a QB to sit him. All that does is waste one of his cheap years. Any Round 1 guy is going to be expected to start Day 1.
I don’t see JJ as a round 1 QB. I’d take a flier on him in the 2nd for sure though.
He has the obvious raw physical tools, very athletic for the position, live arm, legit 6’3ish. But he’s still too slight- he needs to hit the gym and bulk up- and he’s way too god damn inconsistent and needs to improve reading defenses, decision making/processing, pocket presence, foot work, etc..
If JJ can put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and improve all the parts of his game he’s deficient in- he’d have a real shot to vault to #1 overall territory.
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yup
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I don’t see JJ as a round 1 QB. I’d take a flier on him in the 2nd for sure though.
He has the obvious raw physical tools, very athletic for the position, live arm, legit 6’3ish. But he’s still too slight- he needs to hit the gym and bulk up- and he’s way too god damn inconsistent and needs to improve reading defenses, decision making/processing, pocket presence, foot work, etc..
If JJ can put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and improve all the parts of his game he’s deficient in- he’d have a real shot to vault to #1 overall territory.
Teams get QB desperate. Christian Ponder was a first round QB. That was a reach at the time it happened
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Mmmmmm Samantha Ponder....
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better arm than her husband
wonder if they're still married
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better arm than her husband
wonder if they're still married
Why would she keep that name if not?
He should have been a WR considering his ability to catch things he had no business catching
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good call Don Brown...
https://twitter.com/iamSauceGardner/status/1744760545893323021?s=20
IN fairness, Dantonio was pretty damn good at identifying DB talent, and he didn't even kick the tires on a kid from Detroit. Indiana was his only Big Ten offer. Today, he probably would have transferred to a Big Ten school.
Looking at the DBs those schools did recruit in his class. UM got Daxton Hill; but otherwise, Jalen Perry, DJ Turner, Quinten Johnson. Woof. Mike Saintrisil converting was easily their 2nd best DB
MSU had Julian Barnett, who was a bust, and Jase Bowen, who opted to play baseball
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IN fairness, Dantonio was pretty damn good at identifying DB talent, and he didn't even kick the tires on a kid from Detroit. Indiana was his only Big Ten offer. Today, he probably would have transferred to a Big Ten school.
Looking at the DBs those schools did recruit in his class. UM got Daxton Hill; but otherwise, Jalen Perry, DJ Turner, Quinten Johnson. Woof. Mike Saintrisil converting was easily their 2nd best DB.
100%. Dax Hill was a freaking stud and Mikey S turned out to be a hell of a player at nickel. Perry was just awful and Johnson is a solid career backup. DJ Turner was mediocre as it gets. Was quite frankly not that good at Michigan. Only reason he got drafted in the 2nd rd is cause he ran a 4.2 in the 40.
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Teams get QB desperate. Christian Ponder was a first round QB. That was a reach at the time it happened
Very true.
was simply saying if I was in charge, wouldn’t touch him with anything higher than a 2nd rd pick max.
JJ definitely has some 1st rd raw physical tools, but none of the production or polish to match.
Not worth the risk at the moment imo.
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Saban retiring?
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Saban retiring?
Iconic coach.
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Saban retiring?
Harbaugh to Bama
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Harbaugh to Bama
😂😂😂😂
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and one of those only 2 TD's allowed was in his first game ever as an 18 year old true freshman....lol.
best CB in CFB. future top 5-10 NFL draft pick. Pat Surtain II clone.
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1745129021371720044?s=20