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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on August 24, 2023, 10:19:20 AM
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little more than 48 hours til the college football season officially kicks off. thank god. we've got 7 games on this Saturday, probably going to tune into at least some of the ND and USC games.
Navy v #13 Notre Dame in Dublin, Ireland (would be pretty cool if ND played another helmet over seas to kick off a season instead of creampuffs)
UTEP @ Jacksonville State
UMass @ New Mexico State
Ohio @ San Diego State
Hawaii @ Vanderbilt
San Jose State @ #6 USC
FIU @ Louisiana Tech
Will be interesting to see if USC's defense still shows zero life at all- like they did all last year- even against the creampuffs. And can Navy actually upset Notre Dame? Highly doubtful. But hey, it could happen. ND lost to a god awful Stanford team at home and to freaking Marshall at home last year.
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not a great slate
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not a great slate
better than absolutely nothing. i'll take what I can get at this point. cfb can't get here fast enough.
and if Caleb Williams is playing QB, I'll watch that all day long. dude is a special player. too bad USC is baby shit soft on defense and up front at the line of scrimmage on offense. Caleb should've hit the portal again and went to OSU or BAMA. My god they'd both be terrifying with a QB like that.
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agreed, better than Golf
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I'll watch some of those.
Got boating to do, and then a birthday cruise that evening.
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Maybe it was the 100 degree temps in Chicago yesterday but it does not feel like Football should be starting already.
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Maybe it was the 100 degree temps in Chicago yesterday but it does not feel like Football should be starting already.
That's standard football weather down here. Let's get to it!
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There is actual live CFB tomorrow, yay!
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Supposed to be 98°F today and 99°F tomorrow here, and then some moderating down to the high 80s.
Trees make an enormous difference of course, the shade, maybe some breeze, lower RH.
They emphasized planting trees here along the sidewalks a while back and it really shows.
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Navy has lost a little bit of it's shine, since the Paul Johnson era.
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Navy has lost a little bit of it's shine, since the Paul Johnson era.
Yeah, if you're a service academy and not running the option, are you even trying??
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I saw a bit of the Navy/Notre Dame game from Ireland but it was a complete Wipeout and not very interesting.
It looks like all the evening games are pretty good:
- UTEP/JvSt are in a close one late.
- UMASS/NMST are tied at the half in a bottom ten thriller.
- OhioU is down 4 at halftime at SDSU
- SJSU just tied up USC.
Why is Hawaii/Vanderbilt delayed?
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If nothing else, good on San Jose State for being ready and competing hard.
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watched some of the ND game. I know Navy is a service academy and they probably suck, but ND looked impressive. Sam Hartman looked good. ND might be a problem this year bc I think they have a real life QB for the first time in a LOOOOOONG time.
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I saw a bit of the Navy/Notre Dame game from Ireland but it was a complete Wipeout and not very interesting.
It looks like all the evening games are pretty good:
- UTEP/JvSt are in a close one late.
- UMASS/NMST are tied at the half in a bottom ten thriller.
- OhioU is down 4 at halftime at SDSU
- SJSU just tied up USC.
Why is Hawaii/Vanderbilt delayed?
looks like they will be getting lightning for a while.
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Tried to watch a little of ND-Navy and Navy really wasn’t even remotely competitive in the parts I watched. Just home from dinner planning on watching USC, but didn’t realize it was on PAC 12 Network which is the only one I guess I don’t have.
Watching Ohio-SD St.
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Caleb Williams doing Caleb Williams things.
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Ohio has a guy named Titsworth, so I’ll probably keep it here just for that.
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watched some of the ND game. I know Navy is a service academy and they probably suck, but ND looked impressive. Sam Hartman looked good. ND might be a problem this year bc I think they have a real life QB for the first time in a LOOOOOONG time.
Kid is a baller. What is he- 25?
it has been a while since the Irish had a legit QB. They do now.
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USC's defense is still a pathetic joke....they ain't winning jack with that defense. Spicy hot-take, but Lincoln Riley is the new RichRod. WVU RichRod that is, not the god awful Michigan one.
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Kid is a baller. What is he- 25?
it has been a while since the Irish had a legit QB. They do now.
yeah he's like 24 and was already in college for 5 years. Seemed to work out well for Georgia starting a 26 year old at QB.
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USC's defense is still a pathetic joke....they ain't winning jack with that defense. Spicy hot-take, but Lincoln Riley is the new RichRod. WVU RichRod that is, not the god awful Michigan one.
Michigan v USC for all the marbles.
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Michigan v USC for all the marbles.
god I would love to play them this year. I think Michigan would run for 600 yards on them. No joke.
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god I would love to play them this year. I think Michigan would run for 600 yards on them. No joke.
That’s my pick for NC game.
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That’s my pick for NC game.
San Jose State is putting it on that USC D right now. it's 21-14 at half-time. USC ain't making it out of the PAC let alone to the playoff...
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San Jose State is putting it on that USC D right now. it's 21-14 at half-time. USC ain't making it out of the PAC let alone to the playoff...
A little rush to judgement from 1 half of football- don’t you think?
USC invested a lot in the portal to improve their defense, as well as recruiting. Is it possible the will improve each week? Your boy Domani just got burned. Might he improve?
you may be right. It’s way too early to know
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A little rush to judgement from 1 half of football- don’t you think?
USC invested a lot in the portal to improve their defense, as well as recruiting. Is it possible the will improve each week? Your boy Domani just got burned. Might he improve?
you may be right. It’s way too early to know
they are just bad on defense. and they have bad coaching on defense. Alex Grinch and that entire staff should've been fired. Lincoln Riley truly does not care about defense. Modern day RichRod. WVU version that is. they are playing San Jose State and their defense looks god awful.
they can portal all the players they want on defense- they are still going to SUCK as long as Grinch is the DC and Riley is the HC. Domani is a prime example of why you need to go to a good coaching staff to develop. Kid would be a baller playing for Jesse Minter and Steve Clinkscale. Instead he's going into his 2nd year at USC and he stinks. he fckkkked up haaaaaard not hitting the portal and joining Will Johnson at Michigan.
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USC's defense
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watched some of the ND game. I know Navy is a service academy and they probably suck, but ND looked impressive. Sam Hartman looked good. ND might be a problem this year bc I think they have a real life QB for the first time in a LOOOOOONG time.
I have them for maybe one of tOSU 2-3 L's this season
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Hartmann was that good at WF, he can be even better at ND. He's a dude.
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Michigan v USC for all the marbles.
👀 not seeing that unfortunately Jeem's boys may represent
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He's a dude.
Watch it buddy these are gender sensitive folks - tread lightly.WHAT - it's Football Season - never mind!!!
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Alex Grinch and that entire staff should've been fired.
Sadly he should, maybe he caught lightning in a bottle with Mike Leach(RIP) when in the Palouse. Those defenses improved in his 3 seasons there,he was meh in C-BUS splitting duties. Now been at OU/USC for 4 full seasons and he hasn't displayed any improvement with the benefit of being blue bloods. Maybe the focus is on offense but still ya prolly his last season unless the Trojan shows noticeable upgrades on that side of the ball.
Ya know this sounds like us discussing JEEM 3-4 yrs back only on the other side
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I watched a bit of the ND-Navy debacle and got bored. Then I watched baseball, then tried to watch some Vandy, and finally did, it seemed to be a wide open game, I didn't see the end but saw the score.
Maybe Vandy is about as good as a mediocre G5 team this year?
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Hartmann was that good at WF, he can be even better at ND. He's a dude.
agreed. he's very good. last time I can remember ND having a QB that was actually good is Jimmy Clausen maybe. That was a long time ago. And the rest of the team sucked around Clausen.
Seriously, think about it. Who have their QBs been in the 2010s to present? Tyler Buchner, Drew Pyne, Ian Book, Jack Coan, Brandon Wimbush, Malik Zaire, Everett Golson, Tommy Rees, Dane Crist....yeeesh.
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Sadly he should, maybe he caught lightning in a bottle with Mike Leach(RIP) when in the Palouse. Those defenses improved in his 3 seasons there,he was meh in C-BUS splitting duties. Now been at OU/USC for 4 full seasons and he hasn't displayed any improvement with the benefit of being blue bloods. Maybe the focus is on offense but still ya prolly his last season unless the Trojan shows noticeable upgrades on that side of the ball.
Ya know this sounds like us discussing JEEM 3-4 yrs back only on the other side
not really. Jeem's defenses weren't atrocious vs everyone. Jeem was pretty solid all-around but having major trouble with one team in particular, Ohio State. His defenses under Don Brown would strangle every team they played and then last game of the year Ohio State would just rip them a new asshole and destroy them. And then the weird COVID year happened and Jeem went 2-4 and then that is when the calls were really going for his head by many in the media and fanbase. The 2-4 COVID year might've been the best thing to ever happen to Jeem though because it started a purge of the roster and he fired 3/4ths of his coaching staff and brought in better coaches.
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USC's defense
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yeah the defense is still terrible. it was a pathetic showing vs San Jose State. USC OL was also a joke, Caleb Williams was taking way too much pressures vs a team that should've never been able to lay a glove on him and their run game was honestly just meh. You'd think vs a team like that they'd be able to just run it down their throats for 250 yards at 8 yards per clip, but not even close.
USC's offense and Special teams return teams were way too explosive for a team like San Jose State to ever have a prayer, but that USC defense was honestly atrocious vs an inferior team. I watched most of the game. I don't see how they are going to get through Oregon, Utah, ND, or Washington unscathed. They could lose all 4.
That true frosh Zachariah Branch is a freaking stud. Returned a kick 97 yards for a TD, had some big punt returns which set them up with short fields, and also caught a TD on offense. He's going to be a weapon all year for them on special teams.
USC looks same to me this year as they were last year. They have the best QB in the country, a middling to perhaps even bad OL, weapons galore at WR, good stable of RBs, should have lethal return teams on STs with Branch, and they have a babyshit soft defense that is not going to stop anybody with a pulse.
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San Jose State is putting it on that USC D right now. it's 21-14 at half-time. USC ain't making it out of the PAC let alone to the playoff...
watched ND's first drive for a TD then went golfing and out to dinner for an outstanding dry aged New York strip
I've never thought of 14 points at the half as "putting it on" the opposing defense.
maybe they fumbled inside the 10 yard line 4 or 5 times?
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agreed. he's very good. last time I can remember ND having a QB that was actually good is Jimmy Clausen maybe. That was a long time ago. And the rest of the team sucked around Clausen.
Seriously, think about it. Who have their QBs been in the 2010s to present? Tyler Buchner, Drew Pyne, Ian Book, Jack Coan, Brandon Wimbush, Malik Zaire, Everett Golson, Tommy Rees, Dane Crist....yeeesh.
What ever happened to the guy with the hype and cool name Gunnar somebody(i think)
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watched ND's first drive for a TD then went golfing and out to dinner for an outstanding dry aged New York strip
I've never thought of 14 points at the half as "putting it on" the opposing defense.
maybe they fumbled inside the 10 yard line 4 or 5 times?
Yes- typical overreaction to one game.
San Jose State returned damn near their entire offense from last year- including a very good and experienced QB, O-line and RBs.
USC has a ton of new faces on defense. They shut down the run- except QB scrambles gave them fits.
The guess here is they will be pretty solid on D as they gain experience. Not world beaters mind you- but solid enough to support a team that can put up 45 on you during a commercial break.
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What ever happened to the guy with the hype and cool name Gunnar somebody(i think)
oh yeah Gunner Kiel, right? he sucked too. ND had LOTTA mid to downright even sucky QBs for last 15 years. Hartman might be the first actual guy they've had at QB in 15 years.
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not really. Jeem's defenses weren't atrocious vs everyone.
I meant the other side of the ball,offensive play calling,player decisions and such - and I was agreeing with you MFing him many times back then
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Yes- typical overreaction to one game.
San Jose State returned damn near their entire offense from last year- including a very good and experienced QB, O-line and RBs.
USC has a ton of new faces on defense. They shut down the run- except QB scrambles gave them fits.
The guess here is they will be pretty solid on D as they gain experience. Not world beaters mind you- but solid enough to support a team that can put up 45 on you during a commercial break.
Uh...no they didn't. San Jose State's RBs only had 17 carries total the entire game. For 146 rushing yards. Or you know, only 8.5 YPC. San Jose State's RBs only had 17 carries because they couldn't stick to the run- they had to abandon the run because well they are San Jose State and never had a prayer of slowing down USC's offense or STs from scoring for sustained periods. They were playing from behind the entire game. The QBs runs were virtually all scrambles (broken pass plays) and not designed QB runs or read options. And he only ran for 52 yards.
USC was playing San Jose State. SAN JOSE STATE. Let that sink in for a second....
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at 8.5 YPC there's no need to abandon the run, you will score plenty
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Uh...no they didn't. San Jose State's RBs only had 17 carries total the entire game. For 146 rushing yards. Or you know, only 8.5 YPC. San Jose State's RBs only had 17 carries because they couldn't stick to the run- they had to abandon the run because well they are San Jose State and never had a prayer of slowing down USC's offense or STs from scoring for sustained periods. The QBs runs were virtually all scrambles (broken pass plays) and not designed QB runs or read options. And he only ran for 52 yards.
USC was playing San Jose State. SAN JOSE STATE. Let that sink in for a second....
We shall see. Time will tell.
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at 8.5 YPC there's no need to abandon the run, you will score plenty
not when you're down by 21 in a flash in the 2nd half bc USC's return man scores a 97 yard TD and then you have to punt when you get the ball back and then USC immediately go right down the field and score a TD on offense.
remember...clock stoppage after 1st down rules changed. these games are going by faster. you don't have the luxury of sticking to the run and having the clock stopped if you pick up 1st downs anymore if you are behind....you HAVE to pass to catch up now.
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I looked at the stats, midway, third-quarter, and San Jose State couldn’t do jack shit running the ball, except for the QB
They did a lot of their damage in Q4 when US C had substitute about damn near their entire first string defense.
I just know from experience of watching college football for years and years and years that teams actually cannot be judged by their first or second game.
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I think 8.5 YPC is comparable to what one might expected passing on every down, especially if you're not much of a passing offense. And if you go 3 and out passing, you're giving the ball back.
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I just know from experience of watching college football for years and years and years that teams actually cannot be judged by their first or second game.
Heh, cannot be judged ACCURATELY, in general, they do get judged.
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not when you're down by 21 in a flash in the 2nd half bc USC's return man scores a 97 yard TD and then you have to punt when you get the ball back and then USC immediately go right down the field and score a TD on offense.
I respectfully disagree
I've watched some Husker teams that averaged 8 ypc.
Pretty easy to put up 28 points in a short time
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I had forgotten about that new clock rule. Watching a bit yesterday at first was confusing. And then I remembered.
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I haven't watched a game yet, but at first glance I don't like changing that rule.
I enjoy the games and the number of plays and don't mind watching another 20 minutes or so.
now, limiting commercials and replay breaks...........
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I just know from experience of watching college football for years and years and years that teams actually cannot be judged by their first or second game.
I'm going to take a middle position here between @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) and @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) although, to be fair, I think what I'm about to say may be what Honest means:
If this was my team, Ohio State instead of USC, right now I'd be concerned but hopeful. I would see giving up 28 points and about 400 yards to SJSU as concerning but with so many new faces on D I'd be hopeful that maybe it was mostly growing pains and/or issues that can be fixed.
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The week-0 game most interesting to me as an Ohio State fan was Notre Dame's Wipeout of Navy.
Looking at the stats to confirm what I saw of it a few things stand out:
First, fantastic performance by Hartman and the Irish passing game. They had 23 pass attempts with nothing bad: No INT's and no sacks. They had as many TD passes (4) as incomplete passes. Say what you will about Navy's defense, those stats would be good against air.
Second, their rushing stats aren't jump-off-the-page great, but notice that they did their damage without the benefit of any long plays.
Their feature back had 16 for 95 (5.9 avg) with one TD and as a team they had 32 for 191 (6.0 avg) with two TD's. Note, however, that Estime's long was only 13 and the team long was only 21. That tells me that they were getting 4-6 darn near every carry.
It appears that Notre Dame will be a tough out and a good rehearsal for the final game on the schedule.
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Notre Dame's QB, Sam Hartman, transfer from Wake Forest, is very good. The Irish have a chance to beat the Buckeyes and even make the playoffs.
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The Irish have a chance to beat the Buckeyes and even make the playoffs.
Agreed and those two things are closely related.
Beating the Buckeyes would severely diminish the chances of the B1G putting two in the CFP which helps open a spot for ND and even if Ohio State "only" goes ~9-3 it would still be a quality win feather 🪶 in their cap.
If they lose to Ohio State then they have to be perfect the rest of the way and hope that the B1G only produces one team with one or fewer losses.
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I'm going to take a middle position here between @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) and @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) although, to be fair, I think what I'm about to say may be what Honest means:
If this was my team, Ohio State instead of USC, right now I'd be concerned but hopeful. I would see giving up 28 points and about 400 yards to SJSU as concerning but with so many new faces on D I'd be hopeful that maybe it was mostly growing pains and/or issues that can be fixed.
Oh I am totally over-reacting to week 0 and Honest is probably more correct than I am lol.
But I'm a big benefit of the doubt guy. Lincoln Riley has a long and storied history of being a head coach who is offense obsessed, doesn't care about defense, and coaching lots of teams with awful defenses. Alex Grinch has a long and storied history of being an awful DC. I don't think anybody should have reason to be hopeful that either of them will figure it out. Riley doesn't care- his motto is I'm just going to outscore everyone. And Grinch is just not a good defensive co-ordinator.
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Oh I am totally over-reacting to week 0 and Honest is probably more correct than I am lol.
But I'm a big benefit of the doubt guy. Lincoln Riley has a long and storied history of being a head coach who is offense obsessed, doesn't care about defense, and coaching lots of teams with awful defenses. Alex Grinch has a long and storied history of being an awful DC. I don't think anybody should have reason to be hopeful that either of them will figure it out. Riley doesn't care- his motto is I'm just going to outscore everyone. And Grinch is just not a good defensive co-ordinator.
Those are fair points. I'm not disagreeing and really, I don't think @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) is either. It is more a matter of us not completely writing off USC's defense YET.
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Notre Dame's QB, Sam Hartman, transfer from Wake Forest, is very good. The Irish have a chance to beat the Buckeyes and even make the playoffs.
yeah he looks like the first real life QB they've had in SO long. Dude has never played behind an OL like that either at WF. ND has some dudes up front....Alt is going to be a 1st rd tackle. Hartman could be for ND in 2023 what Kenneth Walker III was for Michigan State in 2021...complete game changer on offense. Still early don't want to get too over the skis as it was Navy- but ND did what they were suppose to- took care of business- and Hartman looked legit.
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The week-0 game most interesting to me as an Ohio State fan was Notre Dame's Wipeout of Navy.
Looking at the stats to confirm what I saw of it a few things stand out:
First, fantastic performance by Hartman and the Irish passing game. They had 23 pass attempts with nothing bad: No INT's and no sacks. They had as many TD passes (4) as incomplete passes. Say what you will about Navy's defense, those stats would be good against air.
Second, their rushing stats aren't jump-off-the-page great, but notice that they did their damage without the benefit of any long plays.
Their feature back had 16 for 95 (5.9 avg) with one TD and as a team they had 32 for 191 (6.0 avg) with two TD's. Note, however, that Estime's long was only 13 and the team long was only 21. That tells me that they were getting 4-6 darn near every carry.
It appears that Notre Dame will be a tough out and a good rehearsal for the final game on the schedule.
that OSU @ ND game is shaping up to be epic. we'll find out if Hartman has legit changed life on that ND offense vs what should be an excellent OSU D. Also going to be fascinating to see who the OSU starting QB is that game and how he plays in a hostile big-time road game.
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that OSU @ ND game is shaping up to be epic. we'll find out if Hartman has legit changed life on that ND offense vs what should be an excellent OSU D. Also going to be fascinating to see who the OSU starting QB is that game and how he plays in a hostile big-time road game.
Yeah- we don’t even know what OSU looks like yet.
starting the season with a conference road game. Never easy no matter the opponent. The last 2 times they did that- breaking in a new QB- they were down at halftime but came back for relatively easy wins.
Word is, McCord is a tad more polished and accurate, but Brown is much more capable of extending a play and ripping off a big run.
Since they are breaking in 3 new Oline, the athletic guy might be a better choice.
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Yeah- we don’t even know what OSU looks like yet.
starting the season with a conference road game. Never easy no matter the opponent. The last 2 times they did that- breaking in a new QB- they were down at halftime but came back for relatively easy wins.
Word is, McCord is a tad more polished and accurate, but Brown is much more capable of extending a play and ripping off a big run.
Since they are breaking in 3 new Oline, the athletic guy might be a better choice.
I'm always partial to the younger, more athletic, talented guy- but Ryan Day will make the right choice for Ohio State to win games this season.
Might be better to play the younger guy for the long term future- but the coach has to try to win every game every season or the coach won't have a future....why Jeem went with a more polished JR Cade over a more talented true frosh JJ in '21.
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that OSU @ ND game is shaping up to be epic. we'll find out if Hartman has legit changed life on that ND offense vs what should be an excellent OSU D. Also going to be fascinating to see who the OSU starting QB is that game and how he plays in a hostile big-time road game.
That will be baptism by fire 🔥 for the tOSU QB.
The Buckeyes start at Indiana this weekend but:
- It is Indiana,
- Memorial Stadium is basically Horseshoe-West when Ohio State comes to town, and
- It is game #1 and it looks like they will still be sorting out who the starter is.
Between that and the trip back to Indiana (the State) for the Notre Dame game the Buckeyes have two home games that they could probably win with me at QB.
Then they go to a VERY* hostile environment against what looks to be a CFP contender at night. Yay!
In terms of just how hostile, Notre Dame fans are beyond hungry for a win over Ohio State. The Irish are 2-5 all-time against the Buckeyes. That isn't all that bad until you realize that the two wins were during the Great Depression while FDR was President, before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor (https://youtu.be/V8lT1o0sDwI?si=5HIYLn-suZ3yX2NE).
The Irish won both of a H&H in 1935 and 1936. My grandmother claimed to have attended the 1935 game in Columbus with her then boyfriend. They later married so allegedly my grandparents attended the 1935 loss to Notre Dame. I have my doubts because my grandmother lived to 103 and one of the benefits of extreme longevity is that eventually you reach an age where you can make things up because nobody is around to call you out on it. OTOH, she wasn't a football or sports fan and my grandfather was so he might have taken her.
I read somewhere that one of those two was voted either the or one of the game(s) of the century when CFB reached 100 years old in the late 1960's.
After those two the Buckeyes and Irish didn't play for 60 years. Then Ohio State won both of a H&H when I was in school. I attended the 1995 win 60 years after my grandparents "attended" the 1935 loss. After that the Buckeyes beat Notre Dame in a couple of Fiesta Bowls in 06 and 16 (2005 and 2015 seasons) then Ohio State pulled ahead 2-1 all-time in the 'Shoe.
The teams are tied all-time in South Bend with the Irish winning 7-2 in 1936 and the Buckeyes winning 29-16 in 1996.
The youngest Notre Dame fan who was alive for a win over tOSU is almost 90 and the youngest ND fan with any recollection of a win over tOSU us pushing 100. Yeah, they're hungry!
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You forgot to mention the new green uni for the Irish just for that game.
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looks like a duck