Richardson leaving early is utter nonsense. He grew up in the Uncle Rico "Want to see me throw the ball over that mountain" school of quarterbacking with that Milton kid. CANNOT throw a simple slant route.
Florida QB Anthony Richardson declares for the NFL draft, which makes no sense to me. I doubt he'll even get drafted. Florida also had DT Gavon Dexter declare- which makes sense he'll be a drafted pretty high I think. Florida also had star OL O'Cyrus Torrence declare for the draft- which also makes sense as he's high up on the interior OL draft boards.
Richardson leaving early is utter nonsense. He grew up in the Uncle Rico "Want to see me throw the ball over that moutain" school of quarterbacking with that Milton kid. CANNOT throw a simple slant route.Joe Milton is a great comp for Richardson. They are honestly very similar players. Milton might be the most physically talented talented QB that I've ever seen at Michigan. 6'5, 250 pounds- built like an Adonis, plus athleticism, mobile, could really run and one of the strongest arms I've ever seen....yet couldn't go through his progressions and read a defense and was woefully inaccurate...threw every ball high, behind, low, or 10 yards away from the WR.
Either he's getting some baaaaad info or NFL GMs really are as stupid as we think.
The difference in these poor decisions to leave early now is that Richardson can make money while at Florida. It's not a poor house/rich house situation like it used to be.this is actually a great point. have to think the starting QB at Florida could make A LOT of $$$$$ in NIL deals. maybe even more than he could make as a 6th or 7th round draft pick. didn't Bryce Young make like $3+ million already in 3 years? not saying Richardson is Bryce Young- but he could be making some serious $$$$$$ as the starting QB at a big time SEC program.
I know he went to Eastside HS in Gainesville, which is the poor side of town. But that shouldn't be an issue today.
It's just extra stupid now.
this is actually a great point. have to think the starting QB at Florida could make A LOT of $$$$$ in NIL deals. maybe even more than he could make as a 6th or 7th round draft pick. didn't Bryce Young make like $3+ million already in 3 years? not saying Richardson is Bryce Young- but he could be making some serious $$$$$$ as the starting QB at a big time SEC program.bryce is a bad comparison for virtually any cfb player for nil. he's the first one to get the nil benefits of a heisman while in school. and aside from the direct effect of being eligible to be in the nissan heisman house commercials, it very likely gave him a massive leg up on getting in the dr pepper commercials.
Florida QB Anthony Richardson declares for the NFL draft, which makes no sense to me. I doubt he'll even get drafted.Todd McShays updated mock has him going #9 to the Panthers. I was on the fence with the Lions taking him with the second of their two 2nd round picks (#55). And even then, I wasn't totally sold. #9? Yikes
ESPN's Draft "expert" Todd McShay latest mock draft has Ohio State QB CJ Stroud going to the Detroit Lions with the Rams' #4 overall pick.When Goff had an OL and a running game he almost won a SB. Problem is the salaries for middle of the road QBs is 35-40M year.
Not sure I like that pick. I'd rather keep rolling with Goff and take Jalen Carter or Will Anderson Jr there. Whichever they can get, but preferably Jalen Carter. Detroit's defense is getting better but still needs lot of help.
Todd McShays updated mock has him going #9 to the Panthers. I was on the fence with the Lions taking him with the second of their two 2nd round picks (#55). And even then, I wasn't totally sold. #9? Yikes
Todd McShays updated mock has him going #9 to the Panthers. I was on the fence with the Lions taking him with the second of their two 2nd round picks (#55). And even then, I wasn't totally sold. #9? YikesI think some jackwagon on CBSsports has Richardson going #1. I'm SURE it's for clicks/eyeballs, but still.
The 2006 Raiders will snag him.with the #1 overall pick...lol
The fact that the combine is televised is sad. NFL teams shouldn't care, let alone fansyep. kinda crazy how NFL teams draft dudes way higher than they should just based off of workouts in t-shirts and shorts or downgrade a player just bc of a bad workout. and they never seem to learn their lesson.
Damn, MSU is one 4* TE recruit away from being the funny part of this videoDude is a freak of nature. Think he's going to be the next Gronk if he gets with a legit QB. Most of the celebrated TE's in the NFL over the last 25 years can't block for sh&t and are just glorified flex WRs. Gronk was a unicorn in that he was an absolutely dominant receiver AND blocker. Washington has that same type of potential to be a devastating, dominating blocker and an unguardable pass catcher.
https://twitter.com/jontweetssports/status/1632174794551570436?t=WdeR8rT5KLZ4XA3RVfK5KQ&s=19
Anthony Richardson sets QB record for vertical jump and long jump.if only QB's didn't have to speed read defenses and make split second good decisions on the fly and throw the ball accurately consistently....this dude would be something.
But that's not the biggest WOW:
He tied for the 4th-fasted 40 time.....@ 244 lbs.
The other 4 QB's weights that ran as fast or faster: 198, 223, 200, 199.
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Soooooo he runs an official 4.43, can leap out of the building, is built like a shit brickhouse....and can throw the ball 80+ yards.
That damn 6-yard slant route, though......
Dude is a freak of nature. Think he's going to be the next Gronk if he gets with a legit QB. Most of the celebrated TE's in the NFL over the last 25 years can't block for sh&t and are just glorified flex WRs. Gronk was a unicorn in that he was an absolutely dominant receiver AND blocker. Washington has that same type of potential to be a devastating, dominating blocker and an unguardable pass catcher.the next great Left Tackle
Damn, MSU is one 4* TE recruit away from being the funny part of this videoTo be fair, his technique is garbage. The other TEs are using quick, choppy steps because that's how you're supposed to do it.
https://twitter.com/jontweetssports/status/1632174794551570436?t=WdeR8rT5KLZ4XA3RVfK5KQ&s=19
yep. kinda crazy how NFL teams draft dudes way higher than they should just based off of workouts in t-shirts and shorts or downgrade a player just bc of a bad workout. and they never seem to learn their lesson.As Jimmy Johnston used to tell all the so called talent gurus that would be slobbering over the freakish numbers repeatedly -
So while Washington is probably big and strong enough to get away with imperfect technique....there's a reason he was UGA's backup TE.could be his wonderlic assessment
So while Washington is probably big and strong enough to get away with imperfect technique....there's a reason he was UGA's backup TE.He played a lot of downs, and there is another reason he was not their Number One TE.
I think some jackwagon on CBSsports has Richardson going #1. I'm SURE it's for clicks/eyeballs, but still.
The kid is basically a superman, but he ain't hitting that 6-yard slant route.
Because the guy playing ahead of him is extremely excellent?
So while Washington is probably big and strong enough to get away with imperfect technique....there's a reason he was UGA's backup TE.
I tend to think it's probably because freak athletes like him can dominate certain levels of play w/o being fundamentally great and also because their starting TE is one of the 5 best players in the country.And sometimes those freak athletes are in for a RUDE awakening when they get to a higher level of competition--such as the NFL--and realize that the guy on the other side of the LOS is just as much of a freak athlete as himself, but also has excellent fundamentals.
Was Washington the #2 guy?, cause I heard they ran two TE sets and he played many snapsThey did run a lot of 12 formations, but Bowers got most of the targets. Darnell was basically a guy you had to try and cover with a safety somehow pulling coverage away from others He did play a LOT, I'd call him 1b with 1a.
And sometimes those freak athletes are in for a RUDE awakening when they get to a higher level of competition--such as the NFL--and realize that the guy on the other side of the LOS is just as much of a freak athlete as himself, but also has excellent fundamentals.I mean, doesn’t that happen to most everyone when they get to the NFL? Even the kids with good fundamentals run into better older players who also have good fundamentals.
I mean, doesn’t that happen to most everyone when they get to the NFL? Even the kids with good fundamentals run into better older players who also have good fundamentals.Well, I think that there are a lot of players at lower levels who get by with freak athleticism and don't put in the effort on fundamentals because they're lazy and they're successful without it. Eventually you run into someone who has both. And the NFL is full of those people. Because the lazy ones get weeded out (or sack up and learn the fundamentals).
I don’t know if he will be good or not, but the criticism here seems to be mostly based on a workout? Which I’m told his bad. And I did watch him kick ass playing actual football, which seems like it would be a good barometer?
Not to mention that Washington’s teammates ain’t exactly 2-star athletes.
The combine is only driving Richardson’s hype higher. Weird how I can watch as many Gators games as I do and never once find anything in Richardson’s play that translates to potential success in the NFL. Leave it to one dumb GM to spend a high draft pick on Richardson anyway. We talked in another thread on how ADs time and time again get away with very costly contract extensions which quite often seem more about serving hype than positioning the program for better results.Only issue with what you said (and I agree with you) is Josh Allen. His accuracy in Gollege was not good, which he why I was against the Browns drafting him that year. I guess he is the expection that proves the rule.
I’m always surprised to see GMs similarly serve hype rather than process through the layers of context around college prospects as part of making a careful decision. For instance, when it comes to drafting QBs, was the prospect an accurate passer? If NO, move on. If yes, than was the offense overhauled to raise accuracy? Keep in mind Tebow threw for a 67% college accuracy with an offense was redesigned around his blind spots. If not, and the prospect kept his numbers high regardless of what went on around him, that’s a QB for whom I’d like to study more game tape, interview, workout, etc. Deshaun Watson is an example where the game tape puts his combine numbers to rest.
The GMs that won’t/can’t do this really stand out as individuals holding jobs they are in no way qualified for. And across the working world there are A LOT of individuals working positions well beyond their capacity.
Well, I think that there are a lot of players at lower levels who get by with freak athleticism and don't put in the effort on fundamentals because they're lazy and they're successful without it. Eventually you run into someone who has both. And the NFL is full of those people. Because the lazy ones get weeded out (or sack up and learn the fundamentals).Gotcha.
I'm not really speaking about Washington in particular. I think this is a common thing seen across sports, so I was thinking more of the general case.
As for Washington, I can't really claim either way. OAM is a former OL, and I'm not. So I'll stipulate for the point of discussion that he is correct. If so, Washington might need to work on that to be successful at the next level.
How in your opinion is the best college player ever to be a near bust in the NFL (aside from injury)?I guess I’m interested in the wording of the question. What’s a “near bust?” Are you asking which college players almost weren’t good NFL players but then were?
Probably some QB I'm thinking.
I guess I’m interested in the wording of the question. What’s a “near bust?” Are you asking which college players almost weren’t good NFL players but then were?No, I'm wondering who was the best CFB player who really didn't play well in the NFL (near bust, or bust). Manziel comes to mind as an example, but he perhaps wasn't the "best CFB player" in that category. That LSU QB comes to mind also, and some Hawaii QB?
Guys like Tony Mandarich and Andre Ware? Or not necessarily high draft picks?Yes. Could even include Herschel.
No, I'm wondering who was the best CFB player who really didn't play well in the NFL (near bust, or bust). Manziel comes to mind as an example, but he perhaps wasn't the "best CFB player" in that category. That LSU QB comes to mind also, and some Hawaii QB?Tebow? he was all that - Big Contibutor on teams that won 2 NCs. This back when URBZ was focused and wanted it. Vince Young maybe - prolly could have used another season in the minors
Guys like Tony Mandarich and Andre Ware? Or not necessarily high draft picks?Heath Shuler. Ryan Leaf. Tim Couch. Akili Smith. Jamarcus Russell.
you know, guys like Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Charlie Ward that didn't play a down in the leagueDidn't think any of those guys were elite,good maybe serviceable but again surrounded by talent that made their play appear stellar
If VY was the best college player you ever saw and his NFL career was like 5 years, with more INTs than TDs, then isn't that exactly what he's asking for here?He made two pro bowls. He was offensive rookie of the year. So, no.
the Bos didn't suck in the leagueI'll never forget when he was flattened by Bo Jackson.
like Mandrich
He made two pro bowls. He was offensive rookie of the year. So, no.You draft a QB 3rd overall, and you're happy with 60 career games played and more INTs than TDs.
He made two pro bowls. He was offensive rookie of the year. So, no.You can be disappointed he didn't last longer, but he evidently played well for a couple of years, so not a "near bust" in my mind.
You draft a QB 3rd overall, and you're happy with 60 career games played and more INTs than TDs.If he didn't get his head all f'd up he could have been a great one. He proved that in two seasons.
While a QB drafted 11th wound up with 4.5x the yards and 5x the passing TDs...you're content?
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But hell, Heisman-winner Matt Leinart was worse.
I'm thinking of players who excelled in college and hardly played a down in the NFL, or player very poorly to the point they washed out in a year, maybe two, not a player who ever made the Pro Bowl. Some players have a couple really good years and then fade, it can be injury, poor coaching, or simply they got spoiled and didn't work at it.Gordie Lockbaum
Trent RichardsonTR was a bust but somehow the Browns starting his 2 yr got a no 1 pick in return for him in a swap with the Colts. I can't recall whose life the Browns destroyed with that pick how ever
Now that NFL has gone RPO/college offense, Harris and maybe Rice as well might have gotten a chance in 2023
My arm is shot now, really shot. And instead of being paid to play, I pay to play. But it's still fun. I used to hit pretty well but the past two years have been real slumps, a handful of good hits and a lot of grounders. I think I'm pulling off the ball.Move to Illinois?
A thing that would keep me motivated, were I drafted, is simply love for the game. Give me the millions, I'd still work hard off season and during camp because I like playing.I bet a lot of these guys who wind up being busts is a lack of love and devotion for actually playing.
I'm lacking one other important item of course.
I bet a lot of these guys who wind up being busts is a lack of love and devotion for actually playing.I totally agree. I’m sure there are a lot of guys playing professional sports who don’t really love the game all that much. They were blessed with freakish physical ability and there are few careers as lucrative as being a professional athlete, so it would be insane not to do it for a while just for the money.
Up through college, they can coast by on talent and probably like the notoriety being a football player brings.
Hershel Walker was ambivalent about football - it was basically a coin-flip between football or the military. Same with Ricky Williams. He won a Heisman and was a 1st-rounder without especially enjoying football and having a social anxiety disorder.
Lamar Jackson has officially asked to be traded.
Probably going to take a couple 1st rd picks and matching the contract the Browns gave Deshaun Watson to get him.
Ravens screwed up royally. They should’ve redid his deal in 2020 instead of let it run out after 2022. They had so much time to resign him and they dragged their feet. Should be a lesson to every team. If you have a stud player- redo his deal well before the rookie deal is up. If you don’t- it’ll just cost you more down the road to keep him or you’ll just lose him.
He'll sign somewhere for a totally reasonable contract. Perhaps less than 133M gaurenteed the Ravens may or may not offered him.I'm just saying....I don't even understand how the Ravens let it get to this point. Had they redone his deal in 2020 or 2021 it'd have cost them a looooot less money to keep him than it would now. Should be a lesson to all NFL teams. Re-do the QB rookie deal ASAP if he's a stud. Longer you wait, longer it's gonna cost you. Dallas learned this the hard way as well with Dak- and they wound up WAY overpaying a guy who isn't even in the same stratosphere as Lamar.
He just wants out, he publically said he wanted to be traded to tell the Ravens that if they match any contract offer he's not showing up.
Harbaugh has been the only person in management that has at least publically supported Lamar. Plus there has been serious bad blood between the owner/GM and Lamar stretching well before the beginning of last season. The Ravens owner rarely talks to the media and generally doesn't meddle but can't shut up when it comes to Lamar often w/ cringey comments (said he wants to sell and probably doesn't want to pay the bonus). Then they traded Brown who was a good fit on that team and the Ravens trotted out perhaps the worst collection of WRs in a decade. No.1 Bateman is a good No.1 on a XFL team then got hurt early in the season, No.2 (who became the No.1 WR) Duaverney is a good punt returner. Huntley (who lol made the pro bowl) who couldn't throw to blanketed WRs regressed in 2022 as well.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand. We all know that the NFL doesn't value RBs after their rookie deal.Nick Chubb?
Nick Chubb?I was trying to make the joke that Lamar is more RB than QB, which might be why he's not getting what he thinks is his value as a QB.
I actually did not know WRs were paid so much better.it’s a straight passing league now.
I was trying to make the joke that Lamar is more RB than QB, which might be why he's not getting what he thinks is his value as a QB.I do think Lamar’s running may have something to do with why he’s not getting paid. He’s a really good passer, definitely underrated and slept on there.
But that said, Chubb made a little over $12M / year in 2022. That puts him 6th on the list of RB salary. It would put him somewhere around 28th on the list of WR salary.
Top WR (Tyreek) makes almost double what the top RB (CMC) makes. McCaffrey's 2022 salary would put him 22nd on the list of top paid WRs in 2022.
The NFL doesn't value RBs the way they used to.
And please, don't ever use what the Cleveland Browns are doing as justification for anything to make a point about what someone should do in football. Usually they're used as a point for what NOT to do :57:
it’s a straight passing league now.I'm not quite as sure it's due SOLELY to the fact that it's a straight passing league. I think it's also due to the fact that being an RB is a brutal life, and anyone who can shoulder 20+ touches a game is going to crash and burn right about the time they hit 27-28 years old. Unless they're a genetic freak like Derrick Henry who is so freakin' big that he injures defenders; they don't hurt him.
seems like all the money goes to the QBs then the WRs and the edge rushers and CBs.
And please, don't ever use what the Cleveland Browns are doing as justification for anything to make a point about what someone should do in football.That is a dirty,rotten,no good,low down,accurate thing to say
I'm not quite as sure it's due SOLELY to the fact that it's a straight passing league. I think it's also due to the fact that being an RB is a brutal life, and anyone who can shoulder 20+ touches a game is going to crash and burn right about the time they hit 27-28 years old. Unless they're a genetic freak like Derrick Henry who is so freakin' big that he injures defenders; they don't hurt him.I love a post like this, that we're all basically nodding along in agreement with....and then everyone shits on Emmitt Smith.
RBs in this league are still important, but they have a shelf life. Work them to death, throw them to the wolves and draft someone young. Unlike WRs who can be productive into the early 30s.
You'll want to bring up Barry Sanders. 1400 fewer carries. Yeah, his yards per carry was higher, yes he was great, but Barry didn't want 1400 more carries.As bent as you are you could have run behind that Dallas line. Emmitt was a baller/grinder and the consumate team player. But Barry proved himself and wasn't going to keep getting curb stomped because keyboard kommandos didn't think he had that in him
I was trying to make the joke that Lamar is more RB than QB, which might be why he's not getting what he thinks is his value as a QB.^^^^^^This the guys I watched the games with discussed this. We basically agreed if Jackson didn't make the Super Bowl after 5-6 yrs his chances would fade fast.The legs will start slogging. He hasn't displayed consistent accuracy deep into the season when defenses scheme to take away the short stuff. Great athlete with impressive highlight reels but you have to be able to move the ball thru the air when the skies turn gray. At least enough to keep a defense honest
He somehow navigated probably the roughest position in sports (vs maybe catcher or nose tackle), and did it 600 more times than anyone else, ever.That's pretty impressive, actually. And you can't even talk OL on a stat like that, because every time you carry the ball, if you don't score (or run out of bounds) you're taking a hit. A good OL might change WHERE you're taking that hit, but you're still taking a hit.
That's pretty impressive, actually. And you can't even talk OL on a stat like that, because every time you carry the ball, if you don't score (or run out of bounds) you're taking a hit. A good OL might change WHERE you're taking that hit, but you're still taking a hit.It will never be equaled.
That's one of those stats that may never be equaled, with the changing NFL going to more RB-by-committee and generally becoming more pass-dominant anyway.
It will never be equaled.Two of the most dangerous words in our language are always and never, so I tried to soften that never with the "may" ;)
For someone who is otherwise very statistically driven, you ride very hard for a guy who was very good, but not great, and certainly not eliteI get what you're saying here, but when it comes to RBs, I'm consistent. Hershel Walker didn't have the best ypc average, either, but his volume was what made him the greatest (possibly replaced by Jonathan Taylor, tbh). Only 4-year starters had more carries than HW in his 3 seasons. Sure, he was a specimen, but his volume set him apart just as much. And I'll say something I already said: if it was no big deal to run 1,000 times in 3 years, why hadn't anyone else done it?
mostly because of coachingSo ole Vince Dooley would have had a little 180 lb RB get all those carries? Or do you mean his best play was Hershel to the right, then Hershel left, then Hershel up the middle? If so, were other coaches stupid, wasting time with plays that weren't in their 3 best? I'm confused.
not because of the player
mostly because of coachingI think he means the overall scheme by said coach led to HW getting a lot of carries. UGA was a run oriented offense at the time no matter who was running back. Now, other backs in that era didn't get as many carries of course, some didn't stay healthy, some had steady backups, some weren't on very good teams, so they would get behind and need to throw more. And many could not have carried the load of 35 attempts per game plus some receiving.
not because of the player
This is one of those things that always gets me. Marino gets discounted because he never got a ring.
Also, I'd like to point out another inconsistency when it comes to "best player" talk: if we were talking QBs, some of you would harp on how many TDs or even more so - how many Super Bowl rings the player has. Not so with RBs, even from that era. Why is that??
If it's not Barry's fault the Lions didn't win it all, then why is it any particular QB's fault? That's silly.
So ole Vince Dooley would have had a little 180 lb RB get all those carries? Or do you mean his best play was Hershel to the right, then Hershel left, then Hershel up the middle? If so, were other coaches stupid, wasting time with plays that weren't in their 3 best? I'm confused.no need to be cornfused
Had Walker played on a pass oriented team, he would not have gotten so many carries.and this, obviously
I agree it's silly.
If it's not Barry's fault the Lions didn't win it all, then why is it any particular QB's fault? That's silly.
I think M. Jordan should get credit for the rings in addition to his play, duh. But I agree, a great player could have zero rings, and a decent player might have 2.Basketball is a bit of a different sport in this respect, with only 5 players on the court per team at one time. One dominant player can do a lot more individually than you see in football.
Stetson Bennett IV for example...
I think he means the overall scheme by said coach led to HW getting a lot of carries. UGA was a run oriented offense at the time no matter who was running back. Now, other backs in that era didn't get as many carries of course, some didn't stay healthy, some had steady backups, some weren't on very good teams, so they would get behind and need to throw more. And many could not have carried the load of 35 attempts per game plus some receiving.I think this is also important. Obviously @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) brought up Jonathan Taylor.
Had Walker played on a pass oriented team, he would not have gotten so many carries.
Walker was the third string back in 1980 in the first game. He didn't look like much in practice I'm told. Dooley called him a "big stiff fullback".coaching.........
I think he means the overall scheme by said coach led to HW getting a lot of carries. UGA was a run oriented offense at the time no matter who was running back. Now, other backs in that era didn't get as many carries of course, some didn't stay healthy, some had steady backups, some weren't on very good teams, so they would get behind and need to throw more. And many could not have carried the load of 35 attempts per game plus some receiving.Many teams ran the ball as often as UGA did those years. John Robinson ran his RBs into the ground at USC. Marcus Allen had 433 carries in his big year.
Had Walker played on a pass oriented team, he would not have gotten so many carries.
Imagine if the first 2 guys did well initially.
Walker was the third string back in 1980 in the first game. He didn't look like much in practice I'm told. Dooley called him a "big stiff fullback".
Getting back on track with the 2023 NFL Draft, here's a question:hell to the no. I wouldn't touch Richardson until the 5th or 6th round. If that.
With you team drafting in the top 10, how many of you would want them to take Richardson?
I'll never understand why he left early.Lots of players think they are better than they actually are. Could be that and he thinks he’s going to be #1 overall. Or he could just hate school and want a crack at going pro and making money in the NFL.
I'd leave early if I had a realistic chance of going Day One. (If you want a degree, you can always go back later.) I'd guess someone will take a flyer on him early, and maybe he works out down the road somewhere.I think guys who will be 1st or 2nd rd picks should leave early. Football players have a short shelf life. Freak injuries can happen at any time and end your career in that sport. Take the 1st/2nd rd money and run if you can, go back finish the degree later.
Jalen Carter had this decision last year and stayed. He was positioned to be the first pick in the draft until he looked bad on pro day (over weight and tired). He'll still go first round I think, but he may have last year anyway, not sure.I pray to god he free falls to the Lions at 18.
maybe you will when he's selected in the 1st roundED Zachery wouldn't surprise me,needs more time. Number ones should be plug in and play. Not certain I'd take Smith-Njigba in the 1st.
I pray to god he free falls to the Lions at 18.I think God is still pissed at you for telling him to eff off in the Game Thread after the block- six vs Sparty. 🤣 😜not rubbing it in but that was funny
ED Zachery wouldn't surprise me,needs more time. Number ones should be plug in and play. Not certain I'd take Smith-Njigba in the 1st.dude JSN is a plug and play receiver and should most definitely go in the 1st rd. Especially with the way the passing game in the NFL is today- his versatility to play any of the WR spots- X,Y,Z at a high level will put him at a premium in the league. He's a freaking 1st rd lock. I would be shocked if he didn't go 1st rd.
General consensus forming on Georgia first round draft prospects (on3.com) (https://www.on3.com/teams/georgia-bulldogs/news/general-consensus-forming-on-georgia-first-round-draft-prospects/?fbclid=IwAR2ufR5FvT9o1A34quZP63v9NheJNhZOdPXO9TpXBi0F8tAqC4zk8hZbnpc)Yeah, I don't think Carter slips out of the top 10. That's why I said by some miracle if he was there at 18.
They guess Carter at 5 or 7. I think I'd take Nolan Smith ahead of him though. I'd take Darnell Washington (TE) at 30 myself also.
He was involved in a drag race that killed a teammate. While sad, I don't think that's a character issue, as much as being young and stupid. What does concern me is that he then showed up totally out of shape at pro day. I legitimately wonder how much his head is in football anymore. Not that I'd blame him. Maybe he'll be ok, but he might not. If the Lions take him at #18, sure. At #6? please nothat's where I'm at as well. I'm not hating it at #6 overall if they take him- but I'm also not loving it. They have a ton of needs and at #6 my hope is that they'd land as close to a sure thing as there is- knowing full well there are no sure things in the NFL draft. At #18 though- that's a no brainer. Totally worth the value- risk/reward. If he busts and off-field issues get in his way- it's the #18 pick. If he hits like he has the potential to- well you got a top 3 player in the draft at #18 overall.
maybe you will when he's selected in the 1st roundLeaving now is a good way for him to make $4-5 million.
Leaving now is a good way for him to make $4-5 million.I'm of the opinion that he can't learn how to do that no matter how long he stays in school. I really tend to think throwing the football accurately is something you're just born with. I think guys can improve upon it- but only to a certain extent. I don't think Richardson will ever be able to throw at a high enough level that is required for the NFL. He's so inaccurate and wild as is- he'd have to make insane amount of improvement that just doesn't seem possible.
Staying in school and learning how to throw a slant route would be a good way for him to eventually make $40-50 million.
The bottom first round salary was $13 milWow! That's crazy.
I'm of the opinion that he can't learn how to do that no matter how long he stays in school. I really tend to think throwing the football accurately is something you're just born with. I think guys can improve upon it- but only to a certain extent. I don't think Richardson will ever be able to throw at a high enough level that is required for the NFL. He's so inaccurate and wild as is- he'd have to make insane amount of improvement that just doesn't seem possible.If this was the case, then teams would never draft based on potential.
He's got insane arm strength but touch, accuracy/ball placement are far more important things to have- and he seems to really lack all those things.
In theory, a 3rd round QB might improve over his final year enough to be a first day pick. Now we're talking $13 million at the bottom end, up to over $40. So, I think IF you think another year will boost your draft status, it makes sense to stay.Yeah, the salary gap between Day One and "other" is huge.
dude JSN is a plug and play receiver and should most definitely go in the 1st rd. Especially with the way the passing game in the NFL is today- his versatility to play any of the WR spots- X,Y,Z at a high level will put him at a premium in the league. He's a freaking 1st rd lock. I would be shocked if he didn't go 1st rd.Potential is there Not a burner and a bad hammy played mostly slot needs to be outside for ahigh pick. Ran a 4.48 at the combine and many felt he could have given the Playoffs a shot. Mclaurin,Campell,Olave, Wilson all 4.31-4.38 guys. JS-N had one good season and basically not playing for a year not sure i'd take him in the top 20. Good hands and moves. Better be quick enough to avoid getting stuffed at the line
He'll sign somewhere for a totally reasonable contract. Perhaps less than 133M gaurenteed the Ravens may or may not offered him.The Ravens are low key toxic right now.
He just wants out, he publically said he wanted to be traded to tell the Ravens that if they match any contract offer he's not showing up.
Harbaugh has been the only person in management that has at least publically supported Lamar. Plus there has been serious bad blood between the owner/GM and Lamar stretching well before the beginning of last season. The Ravens owner rarely talks to the media and generally doesn't meddle but can't shut up when it comes to Lamar often w/ cringey comments (said he wants to sell and probably doesn't want to pay the bonus). Then they traded Brown who was a good fit on that team and the Ravens trotted out perhaps the worst collection of WRs in a decade. No.1 Bateman is a good No.1 on a XFL team then got hurt early in the season, No.2 (who became the No.1 WR) Duaverney is a good punt returner. Huntley (who lol made the pro bowl) who couldn't throw to blanketed WRs regressed in 2022 as well.
Does anyone have any stats handy on how many of those drafted make the roster?https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/?sh=74821a067495
anyone else feel like the Jets gave up too much for a guy that's about to be 40 and is coming off the worst season of his career?Stetson Bennett IV???
anyone else feel like the Jets gave up too much for a guy that's about to be 40 and is coming off the worst season of his career?I saw someone point out that if one of your buddies said he was going to spend a week in a dark room to decide his future, and came out and wanted to be a Jet, you'd have him committed.
screw the Jets, I'm just glad the guy is out of Green BayI dunno. A declining weirdo QB is a good plan for Green Bay.
The odds of Will Levis going #1 swung from 40-1 to 4-1 this morning based on a Reddit post claiming Levis was telling friends and family he was going #1.How he's even being talked as a 1st round pick blows my mind. Same for Richardson. Maybe less for Richardson because he's so freakishly talented in terms of being 6'4, 245 pounds running a 4.4 in the 40 and having one of the strongest arms in at least the last several drafts when you're talking pure strength/velocity/distance. Levis has....what exactly?
God bless anyone so desperate they are gambling on the NFL Draft
How he's even being talked as a 1st round pick blows my mind. Same for Richardson. Maybe less for Richardson because he's so freakishly talented in terms of being 6'4, 245 pounds running a 4.4 in the 40 and having one of the strongest arms in at least the last several drafts when you're talking pure strength/velocity/distance. Levis has....what exactly?I actually do like Levis, as a late first round pick. But if you are picking late in the first round, you are likely close to a title contender, and probably not in need of a rookie QB.
I dunno. A declining weirdo QB is a good plan for Green Bay.(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343465835_1603191996849080_3596956814811618175_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=_EoqFknEmJ4AX9y0UFn&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfBkz0ERGIE0Ku0H77Fs4dzj6a_Hax4Ijl5YmOhhLXgBsg&oe=644D5D45)
I don't like the later date for the draft. It's just weeks of additional build-up and makes me feel like it doesn't take place until June.I also don't love that they put it in prime time on Thursday. I love the shorter clock. And granted with all of my kids activities, it's not like I can dedicate a random Saturday in April to watching the draft, but before they moved it, Saturday of the draft was a major day drinking day
I also don't love that they put it in prime time on Thursday. I love the shorter clock. And granted with all of my kids activities, it's not like I can dedicate a random Saturday in April to watching the draft, but before they moved it, Saturday of the draft was a major day drinking dayBack in the day I was in a group of guys who all rooted for different teams, we would go to a local establishment and make a day of the opening day of the draft. It was great fun. Couldn't do it on a Thursday because of work. TV makes the rules, the local fans and fans that go to the games are completely secondary to the NFL.
Gotta recruit Florida.yup. best talent pool for football players in the entire US and it's not close. don't really know why that is, Cali and Texas both have far more people.
yup. best talent pool for football players in the entire US and it's not close. don't really know why that is, Cali and Texas both have far more people.Been sayin' it fer years!
Is IMG basically a football school? I guess they have some classes?It's actually a very good school for academics. Tuition and fees come close to $100K/year. They don't have much in terms of financial aid either.
It's actually a very good school for academics. Tuition and fees come close to $100K/year. They don't have much in terms of financial aid either.Didn't it start as a tennis academy?
Boarding School Academics - Curriculum & Sample Schedules | IMG Academy (https://www.imgacademy.com/boarding-school/academics)
speaking of Florida....top 10 HS for NFL players drafted over the last 10 years. 1-2-3 are in Florida, and 5 of the top 10 are in Florida. 50% of the top HS in all of 'Merica for NFL players....Florida.I'd be far more curious of a list of public schools. This just proves football academies draw highly rated football recruits
https://twitter.com/MaxPreps/status/1650923184039014403?s=20
That Colts front office had a "Irsay made this pick" vibe.Lulz @ the Colts
So far, if I'm listening right, Stroud has armor from God that he should probably share with the tiny, puny Bryce Young.I think Stroud is going to be a better NFL QB than Young will. Not sure a 5'10, 195 pound guy will last in the NFL playing QB. Yeah they don't get hit like they used to- but they still take unholy punishment. Especially rookies and non-star QBs. Brady/Rodgers guys like that- now Mahomes- have different set of rules than the other QBs. Can't even sneeze on those guys without getting PIs/fouls. Young ain't gonna have that. At least not until he establishes himself as a star.
Rent it or sell it?
I think Stroud is going to be a better NFL QB than Young will. Not sure a 5'10, 195 pound guy will last in the NFL playing QB. Yeah they don't get hit like they used to- but they still take unholy punishment. Especially rookies and non-star QBs. Brady/Rodgers guys like that- now Mahomes- have different set of rules than the other QBs. Can't even sneeze on those guys without getting PIs/fouls. Young ain't gonna have that. At least not until he establishes himself as a star.Flutie played on concrete in Canada and rarely got hurt as an old in the NFL. Russel Wilson is a joke now but in his prime despite all the sacks he was on the end of, defenders rarely got a free shot at him.
Texans trade up to take Will Anderson. Not sure I like that. Think they gave up way too much to move up and take an edge rusher. That team needs A TON of help in the draft over the next few years- they shouldn't be giving up picks like that. They aren't an edge rusher away to being an elite team. They are a bunch of players away.They keep on saying pencil him in for 10-12 sacks a year. That's a solid player, but you just spent the No.2 pick on Bud Dupree (who was avail in FA)
Lions front office celebrating like they had NO IDEA that the 32nd pick in the draft will fall to them at 13.not a fan of this Lions first round of the draft. At all. Hopefully they make it up on the later rounds.
The Seahawks done good.yeah I liked their 1st round. JSN is going to fit in nicely with Lockett and Metcalf. Witherspoon was the top CB on most boards and Pete Carroll is a DB guru.
The Lions are having quite a draft... and that's not a compliment. They should have picked literally anyone at 12 then Gibbs at 18. Like what are they doing.Consulting the Browns evidently, who I believe will get a shot at Mr Irrelent
Do youse guys follow NFLers who played on your CFB team much?Yeah I follow Longhorns in the NFL at least a bit. Though I'll never root for them when they're playing against my favorite NFL team.
Do youse guys follow NFLers who played on your CFB team much?I'd love to but I'm an IU fan. Trent Green was pretty good for a while.
Lions front office celebrating like they had NO IDEA that the 32nd pick in the draft will fall to them at 13.Yeah, not a fan of either of their picks
There were some weird to me picks for sure. Some of these teams (Lions) seem to have no apparent clue, but maybe it all turns out well.The Lions taking Gibbs showed me how much more reserved the "experts" are at picks from out of left field.
I personally would focus on linemen if my team was lagging.
at least we're not the Titans...High bar to live up to with Titans QB draft busts. Vince Young, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota...
https://twitter.com/AdamRuffPhoto/status/1652092846566981634?s=20
I like the Lions picks just fine.Brian Ferentz?
They are building an identity.
Brian Ferentz?😂😂😂
I didn't love all of the takes of just taking Hooker, and redshirting him as a young QB. Because he's already so old for a rookie. But I think getting him in the third is good value. I figured he'd go late 2nd.I'd much rather take a flier on Hendon Hooker in the 3rd than take Anthony Richardson in the top 5 or Will Leivs in the 2nd round...
So the Lions traded down, and still got him in the third. Don't hate it
I'd much rather take a flier on Hendon Hooker in the 3rd than take Anthony Richardson in the top 5 or Will Leivs in the 2nd round...Agreed on Richardson. Levis, Id have been ok taking in the second, if they didn't move up to get him. But I'd rather have Hooker in the third.
Didn't love the Hooker pick, but I don't hate it. This year wasn't the year to have a top 3 pick or trade up and go all in on a QB- not when Drake Maye and Caleb Williams are both going to be in the 2024 draft. I'd rather stock up draft capital and move up next year and take Maye or Williams if they really want a QB of the future.
Pittsburgh fans are going to love Darnell Washington, and he's a perfect fit for Matt Canadas offenseHe was a crowd favorite any time he caught a pass. At round 3 he's a nice pick up, I suspect.
https://twitter.com/iam_johnw/status/1652091045755101189?t=MAo915l9z8d0Ke0M1KxUPQ&s=19Unrelated, but I really do enjoy that movie.
Brian Ferentz?(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343784399_206851442087771_1399291057797908022_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=zW42UB4EU5MAX8WcG27&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDwd2qJv7LSpZ7cXnrQto5X_prhf5ctT1SqeR3HOKsK5w&oe=645160A2)
Pittsburgh fans are going to love Darnell Washington, and he's a perfect fit for Matt Canadas offenseI think their also gonna love Keanu Benton. Kid's a beast and a steal where he fell to.
It's arguable Porter and Washington are 1st round graded players.well they got Porter at pick #32, which technically....he's a 1st rd pick. There were only 31 picks in the 1st rd bc Dolphins had to surrender their 1st over that whole tampering with Brady saga.
I profess near zero ability to predict how any of these guys will do in the League. I suspect a handful are "can't miss" barring injury. Some might get a nagging injury and never reach their potential. Some may be lazy.yeah, it's really all just a crap shoot. lot of it has to do with the situations they go into and if they get lucky and avoid injuries.
Steelers are absolutely killing it in this draft.Just took Nick Herbig from Wisconsin. Him and TJ Watt teamed up is gonna be killer, with Benton taking up guys in front.
Trading up to steal Jones away from the Jets was priceless. And a big F U from Belichick to his divisional rival.
Snagging Porter Jr, Benton, and Washington are all solid picks. It's arguable Porter and Washington are 1st round graded players.
I see the Philly Dawgs traded for Deandre SwiftGonna trade Hurts for Stafford, too.
Steelers are absolutely killing it in this draft.So you're not actually into football, just the soap opera narratives made by the talking heads?
Trading up to steal Jones away from the Jets was priceless. And a big F U from Belichick to his divisional rival.
I see the Philly Dawgs traded for Deandre SwiftSwift was a goner once they took Gibbs at #12. Swift is a really good player, he's just made of glass and is never healthy.
every starting DE/EDGE defender since Harbaugh has been at Michigan has now been drafted, thus far.Almost as good as the Buckeyes lol. 😳
2017: Taco Charlton (Rd 1, Pick 28)
2017: Chris Wormley (Rd 3, Pick 74)
2019: Rashan Gary (Rd 1, Pick 12)
2019: Chase Winovich (Rd 3, Pick 77)
2020: Josh Uche (Rd 2, Pick 60)
2021: Kwity Paye (Rd 1, Pick 21)
2022: Aidan Hutchinson (Rd 1, Pick 2)
2022: David Ojabo (Rd 2, Pick 45) - (would've been 1st rd if he didn't tear his achilles at his pro day)
2023: Mike Morris (Rd 5, Pick 151)
don't think it's fair to call Kylar Murray a bust. Not living up to the #1 overall billing? Sure. But he's at least decent with moments of spectacular. Rosen and Leinart? Sure...both huge busts who just couldn't play at the NFL level at all.Ya that year Rosen came out he was suppose to be the standard bearer Josh Allen,Lamar Jackson,Mayfield,Darnold also. i really liked Darnold seemed like a good talented kid with his head screwed on right. Guess he could never get out from under the talent around him. But ya the ballyhoeed Rosen never got off the canvas seemingly
don't think it's fair to call Kylar Murray a bust. Not living up to the #1 overall billing? Sure. But he's at least decent with moments of spectacular. Rosen and Leinart? Sure...both huge busts who just couldn't play at the NFL level at all.When I watched Arizona I swear I watched DBs running to the spot the ball was going before the WRs even broke their routes. It happened to Murray and the backups. It seemed like the opposing D frequently knew the play. Murray was at his best when the play broke down, so it might have been just awful coaching.
btw...your original point still stands....dude was an awful GM lol. But that's all they can get in media....the ones that are terrible and constantly get fired....the good GMs typically stay employed by NFL teams lol.
Just took Nick Herbig from Wisconsin. Him and TJ Watt teamed up is gonna be killer, with Benton taking up guys in front.
So you're not actually into football, just the soap opera narratives made by the talking heads???
I doubt itKind of makes that resume sort of moot, no?
Casey Thompson was just better.
and the fans were tired of losing - needed a change
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Nice to see Pitt with so many picks. They tend to produce NFL talent, but can't seem to put together a complete season. It's unfortunate the city is far and away a pro sports town.Usually Pitt teams can't put it all together because they always have 1-2 positions that are a straight up dumpster fire. Last year it was OL, which was supposed to be really good w/ all 5 starters back but it was Pickett who made them look better than they were.
Purdue had 5 players drafted this year, which was the most since the 2004 class (which had an admirable 9 players drafted).
Did TCU have so many picks because they had that many good players or because they made the Finals?If anyone ever becomes enamored with how smart NFL GMs are.....ask them this question.
Usually Pitt teams can't put it all together because they always have 1-2 positions that are a straight up dumpster fire. Last year it was OL, which was supposed to be really good w/ all 5 starters back but it was Pickett who made them look better than they were.So.....they have everything needed to start a 24 hour news network?
1/2 of Allegheny Co. are PSU fans and the majority of SW PA is PSU as well. Not to mention Allegheny Co is one of the oldest in the nation and they stay home. City doing well now but from about 1980-2008 you went to Pitt to get a degree and got a job in another state. There just isn't a huge local alumni base.
Pitt does have a track record of good TV ratings tho.
So.....they have everything needed to start a 24 hour news network?The ACCN cornered the market selling ads to hock Scottish Spoons, Irish collanders and Tactical Soap on a rope to the masses. It would be though for Pitt to go alone.
TCU got a lot of exposure. Had they lost a close game or three back when, with the same players, how many draft picks would have gone their way? I'm not disputing they didn't have that many good players, maybe they did, Duggan was solid. TCU is an outlier of course, in at least two ways.Did the exposure they got against Georgia help them? More like exposed
A&M will be an interesting program to watch this coming season. I know the buy out is high.Idk how they can justify keeping him at this point.
Idk how they can justify keeping him at this point.LSU having an opening got a few unqualified coaches a pay day
Worst $100 mil ever spent by a college program and it's not even close....