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Title: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 09, 2022, 04:00:27 PM
Michigan drops to 5th in the AP poll. Guess they don't have enough sexy/style points.

This one is a big one, probably the game of the week in the B1G and will have huge implications for the B1G East title. Opening line has Michigan as a 7 point favorite, o/u is 51.5 points. Penn State is a really good team, this should be a heck of a game.

I kind of like that Michigan played a crap game on the road vs Indiana and still won by 21. Feel like they brought a C effort and were way too sloppy with like a dozen penalties and made way too mistakes and that there is a lot of stuff the coaches can grill these guys on. If those coaches don't have their full attention and aren't ripping them over their performance vs Indiana and getting them locked in to prepare for Penn State and bring their A+ effort at home- something is very wrong.

They need to unlock JJ more and let him throw down the field and get way more creative in their stale out-dated passing game. Not sure that's something they can do in a week. But the passing game and play-calling seriously concerning.

The defense has been getting better every week. Mike Sainistril looks LEGIT. Shocking how good he is honestly. Pass rushers are finally starting to emerge for this defense. Mike Morris is taking that jump as a player, and Eyabi Okie is just making plays the more they put him out on the field and the true frosh Derrick Moore has been making plays whenever they put him on the field. I think all 3 of those guys are future NFL draft picks at edge.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 10, 2022, 07:16:32 AM
Penn State is coming off a bye week and Michigan off a win in Bloomington impressive enough to drop them one spot in the AP poll.  Penn State has been looking good this year with a couple solid wins on the road.  This year Penn State has the best RB room since Barkley was in it.  Both teams are going to have to play their mistake free best to win.  Michigan starting WR Wilson and LB Hill-Green were out last week with injuries and RT Jones was rolled up and had to leave the game with l leg injury.  Your guess is as good as mine if any of them will be back for the game with the Nitts.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 07:52:26 AM
Dropping in the polls can happen if another team near you has an especially impressive win obviously.  And we all know polls are just for fun at this point.

If they are fun at all.

Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 10, 2022, 08:13:15 AM
Evidently the 17-7 win over the Wildcats was in a mudbath as heavy rain passed thru. Penn St had 5 turn overs but their defense had a goal line stand.So the Lions have a decent shot - if they can hang on to the ball. The Ninnies entered the game second in the country at plus-8 in turnover margin. Hopefully it's a bare fisted brawl as the BIG needs a marquee match up to fit the billing
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 10, 2022, 08:18:53 AM
Michigan's play calling has been soft vanilla the last few games. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 10, 2022, 08:20:59 AM
That's OK Penn St wears soft vanilla on the road
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 10:25:31 AM
James Franklin is 3-5 vs Michigan at Penn State and 1-3 in Ann Arbor. His win in Ann Arbor came in 2020- the dreaded COVID year- which was probably one of the worst seasons in Michigan football history. They were dreadful that year. Michigan as a program seems to have bounced back from that disaster and abortion of a season- going 12-2 and making the playoff in 2021 and are off to a 6-0 start in 2022. 

The games in Ann Arbor: 

2014: 18-13, Michigan (Brady Hoke's last year)
2016: 49-10, Michigan 
2018: 42-7, Michigan
2020: 27-17, Penn State 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 10:37:44 AM
Penn State is coming off a bye week and Michigan off a win in Bloomington impressive enough to drop them one spot in the AP poll.  Penn State has been looking good this year with a couple solid wins on the road.  This year Penn State has the best RB room since Barkley was in it.  Both teams are going to have to play their mistake free best to win.  Michigan starting WR Wilson and LB Hill-Green were out last week with injuries and RT Jones was rolled up and had to leave the game with l leg injury.  Your guess is as good as mine if any of them will be back for the game with the Nitts.
my guess is WR Roman Wilson should be back- he was held out due to concussion protocol. If he's not showing any symptoms- should be good to go. 

LB Nikai Hill-Green probably still out unfortunately. TE Erick All probably out as well. Feel like if either of these guys were coming back, we'd have heard rumbling by now. 

RT Trente Jones probably out as well- had to be carted off and looked like an ankle, knee, or leg injury. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 10:39:03 AM
Michigan's play calling has been soft vanilla the last few games.
the last few games? Michigan's offensive play calling has been ass since Harbaugh got there. Those anemic, uncreative, out-dated offenses with putrid passing game concepts = Harbaugh. This is just who he is. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 11:00:12 AM
SP+ rankings...

4) Michigan (25.4) - #8 offense, #9 defense, #3 special teams

14) Penn State (15.7) - #46 offense, #6 defense, #68 special teams

SP+ has Michigan as a 12 point favorite and gives them a win probability of nearly 77%.

Side note: Michigan and Georgia are the only teams in the country that rank in the SP+ top 10 nationally on offense, defense and special teams.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 11:02:42 AM
Dropping in the polls can happen if another team near you has an especially impressive win obviously.  And we all know polls are just for fun at this point.

If they are fun at all.
amen. just saw this and reminded me of your post ^ 


https://twitter.com/TheMaxMeyer/status/1578892006373593088?s=20&t=4nuCyjZERFVQamy2bIhu2g
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 11:06:07 AM
EDGE defenders Mike Morris, Eyabi Okie, Jaylen Harrell, and Derrick Moore have been tested to step up and replace two great edge rushers in Hutch & Ojabo and to generate sacks and pressures, and so far they have passed that test. 



(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/69/370/11370069.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 01:10:48 PM
Olympic gold medal champion swimmer and Michigan alum Michael Phelps will serve as the honorary captain for the Michigan football team this Saturday against Penn State.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 01:13:35 PM
Michigan RB coach Mike Hart is back in Ann Arbor and doing well, hopes to rejoin the team soon. Mike Hart's old RB coach when he was a player at Michigan- good old Fred Jackson- has been given a waiver by the NCAA to be the interim RBs coach at Michigan in Hart's absence. 

https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/1579472547036692482?s=20&t=_LeWiOjX8WutPmJG2AmaBQ

https://twitter.com/Balas_Wolverine/status/1579504024142766080?s=20&t=ve1t-PjvgZTlMg5GLU1KDg
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 10, 2022, 01:16:49 PM
Michigan RB coach Mike Hart is back in Ann Arbor and doing well, hopes to rejoin the team soon. Mike Hart's old RB coach when he was a player at Michigan- good old Fred Jackson- has been given a waiver by the NCAA to be the interim RBs coach at Michigan in Hart's absence.

https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/1579472547036692482?s=20&t=_LeWiOjX8WutPmJG2AmaBQ

https://twitter.com/Balas_Wolverine/status/1579504024142766080?s=20&t=ve1t-PjvgZTlMg5GLU1KDg
Its amazing how things work out sometimes.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 01:26:14 PM
According to PFF, Michigan EDGE Mike Morris ranks 4th in the nation with a 25.0% pass rush win rate. Bama's stud EDGE defenders Will Anderson and Dallas Turner are both at around a 19% pass rush win rate, and last year Michigan's star EDGE rushers- Aidan Hutchinson finished at 25.0% and David Ojabo at 19.4% pass rush win rate.

On passing downs Morris leads the nation with a win rate of 46.5%, which would've led all power five edge rushers last season. For comparison last year Hutchinson and Ojabo were at 36.6% and 29.0% respectively.

Mike Morris already has 25 total pressures, which is tied for 10th in the country among edge rushers, but every edge rusher ahead of him has had at least 20 more pass rush snaps. Those 25 total pressures have come on 111 pass rush snaps, good for a pressure rate of 22.5%. Hutchinson and Ojabo had pressure rates of 17.4% and 14.4% in 2021. For comparison BAMA studs Will Anderson and Dallas Turner have pressure rates of 17.5% and 14.2% this season.

Mike Morris also has an 88.0 pass rush grade from PFF, which is good for 7th in the country among edge rushers with at least 100 pass rush snaps. Better than Will Anderson or Dallas Turner so far this season and better than 2021 David Ojabo.

I was seriously worried about this pass rush after the first couple games vs that terrible OOC slate, but it's come alive in conference play. Mike Morris is taking that next jump as a pass rusher and Eyabi Okie has been getting better every week and looking like a steal in the transfer portal.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 10, 2022, 01:33:22 PM
The MGoBlog guys are calling Mason Graham the best freshman DT they've seen since Alan Branch.

(https://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/OfTheDecadeBestPlays_D6CD/branchmorelli_thumb1.jpg) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmgoblog.com%2Fcontent%2Fdecade-best-plays-part-ii&psig=AOvVaw3oBWugfK4JUdBixajD3GYD&ust=1665509543973000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjRxqFwoTCMCa0NyY1voCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH)
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 01:38:15 PM
The MGoBlog guys are calling Mason Graham the best freshman DT they've seen since Alan Branch.

(https://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/OfTheDecadeBestPlays_D6CD/branchmorelli_thumb1.jpg) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmgoblog.com%2Fcontent%2Fdecade-best-plays-part-ii&psig=AOvVaw3oBWugfK4JUdBixajD3GYD&ust=1665509543973000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjRxqFwoTCMCa0NyY1voCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH)
I would agree with that. I don't think it's close. True freshman have rarely even played at DT at Michigan let alone at an above average level. Mason Graham has been balling out at the spot- as a true frosh. That's very rare at Michigan.

Maybe more people should've seen him coming though- he only literally dominated the very top HS competition in the state of California and maybe even the toughest in the entire country for 4 years in HS. MaxPreps/USA Today have both proclaimed The Trinity League in SoCal to be the toughest HS football competition in America.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 02:38:14 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1579534010644328448?s=20&t=Onang5BO-ptEeGzUeJqsjw
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 10, 2022, 03:08:02 PM
James Franklin is 3-5 vs Michigan at Penn State and 1-3 in Ann Arbor. His win in Ann Arbor came in 2020- the dreaded COVID year- which was probably one of the worst seasons in Michigan football history.
Ya and UM ducked out of the last game of the year - that cuts both ways -. OSU lost 4 starters in the NCG to covid vs Bama who had 0 sit out,so back to your regularly scheduled programming
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Abba on October 10, 2022, 03:08:07 PM
Harbaugh is always looking for his finest hour in this matchup.  Luckily, it will probably be a 4 hour game, so lots of opportunities.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 03:32:51 PM
Michigan has got to open up the offense if they want a victory in this one. Penn State is too good of a team all-around and has too good of a defense to try to just play them straight up.

They need to pass it more on 1st down. They need to use designed QB runs. They need to call bootleg passes to get JJ on the perimeter and throwing on the run more. They need to give JJ more RPO plays- like that one he pulled out of Corum's chest then threw to the TE for a TD. Most of all this has basically been non-existent in their offensive scheme. They need to call a couple designed QB runs to make PSU worry about his legs. They need to start using motion and play-action in the passing game- which has been non-existent. Klatt pointed out a great point- when they actually do use motion it's a run nearly 100% of the time. They haven't used the play-action hardly at all.

Need to mix things up, break tendencies, take some shots down the field, and throw in wrinkles on offense or they'll get beat by a really good team. Can't just line up and play arrogantly on offense or they'll get beat. Need to get creative a little bit and take the governor off the engine.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 10, 2022, 03:38:36 PM
TURN the lad loose and go all in. Jeem isn't going to pull him
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 03:43:13 PM
TURN the lad loose and go all in. Jeem isn't going to pull him
Jeem couldn't pull him even if he wanted at this point. Which may be why he's been playing it safe in the run game. Cade is still injured and out for at least a couple more weeks, and their 3rd string QB Alan Bowman didn't travel with the team to Bloomington and rumors are he's dealing with an undisclosed injury. Which means that all they have behind him right now is Davis Warren- a walk-on and Alex Orji a true frosh that is more athlete than QB if we're being honest. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 04:02:56 PM

https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1579528396094468096?s=20&t=kmyPktH_IDdpU4wnqBkHmA

Offensive YPP 6.7 (#14) Defensive YPP 3.7 (#2)


Offensive PPP 0.632 (#4) Defensive PPP 0.168 (#4)


Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 11, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
Olympic gold medal champion swimmer and Michigan alum Michael Phelps will serve as the honorary captain for the Michigan football team this Saturday against Penn State.

Could help DL with their swim moves.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 11:06:09 AM
College Football Nerds - one of the best college football podcasts out there linked below- their computer model predicts Michigan winning 37-24. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHYsfUWlQPY
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Abba on October 11, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
Rumor is that Cade McNamara is planning to enter the transfer portal.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: slugsrbad on October 11, 2022, 11:42:40 AM
No way Penn State wins 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 11:43:05 AM
Rumor is that Cade McNamara is planning to enter the transfer portal.
yeah, after the season. which is obvious- he's not sticking around another year to ride the bench. 

don't think it'd make any sense to enter right now. how does that even work? can he even enter right now or do they have to wait til season is over? plus he's already used his redshirt, he can't just magically get another one. he'll have the extra COVID year regardless I think- but that means he just has 2023 to play and that's it- I believe.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 11:51:30 AM
No way Penn State wins
your voodoo magic will not work!

in all seriousness I think Penn State has a great shot. They play defense and can run the ball now. That keeps you in every game. Except when you're playing Ohio State and they can drop 60.

But I honestly think Penn State would have an even better shot if they had started Drew Allar over Clifford to start the year. I think they are making the same mistake that Michigan made last year not just giving JJ the job over Cade and letting him run with it. Allar was a 5* QB for a reason- dude has serious talent. Clifford = Cade. JAG. If you want to be a big boy in CFB these days you need an elite QB like Clemson had with Watson/Lawerence, like Ohio State has/had with Fields and now Stroud, like BAMA has had with Tua and Bryce. UGA last year with Bennett was an anomaly- they just happened to have maybe the best defense college football has seen in the last 25 years or more- and Bennett went off in the playoffs. They look like they've come back down to earth this year though without that incredible defense and Bennett is looking more like who he really is. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 11, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
Penn State is a very good football team.  Clifford can be a PITA with his feet and I really like their freshman RBs, Allen and Singleton.  Those young RBs like to bounce it to the outside, not sure how well that'll work against Michigan.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 11, 2022, 12:08:34 PM
yeah, after the season. which is obvious- he's not sticking around another year to ride the bench.

don't think it'd make any sense to enter right now. how does that even work? can he even enter right now or do they have to wait til season is over? plus he's already used his redshirt, he can't just magically get another one. he'll have the extra COVID year regardless I think- but that means he just has 2023 to play and that's it- I believe.
Good that he's not quitting on his teammates, unlike the Wisconsin kid who bailed this week.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2022, 12:10:06 PM
if he's only played in 4 games, he can save a season and get started with the new program
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
if he's only played in 4 games, he can save a season and get started with the new program
think that only works for guys who haven’t used their redshirt. Cade was redshirted his first year at Michigan. That 4 game thing won’t help him at all.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 11, 2022, 03:20:31 PM
No way Penn State wins
No how,NO WAY,can't see it myself
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 11, 2022, 03:22:45 PM
Good that he's not quitting on his teammates, unlike the Wisconsin kid who bailed this week.
Well mobile QBs tend to get banged up so there's that
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on October 11, 2022, 04:24:03 PM
oh boy 
Jim can use that old pregame locker room speech of win one for the Mike (Gipper)
All seriousness, i Hope Mike Hart has a complete recovery.

I was at the MN game when Jerry Kill went down and it was eerily quiet throughout the stadium.  With Hart Not  knowing it could happen had to be a sight these kids will remember.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
oh boy
Jim can use that old pregame locker room speech of win one for the Mike (Gipper)
All seriousness, i Hope Mike Hart has a complete recovery.

I was at the MN game when Jerry Kill went down and it was eerily quiet throughout the stadium.  With Hart Not  knowing it could happen had to be a sight these kids will remember.
Oh I'll bet those kids were shaken. You could see Donovan Edwards visibly crying and both he and Corum having to have to be hugged by other coaches.

I can't imagine seeing your coach fall the ground and have a seizure on the sidelines during a game. Everyone probably thinking their coach is dying in front of them during a game- has to be extremely traumatic. I've actually had a loved one have a nasty seizure in front of me- and had to call 911- yeah it's not fun. Kudos to those kids for rallying in the 2nd half and focusing on getting the win. Cause it's not easy to do what they had to- believe me. When that sh&t happened to me I was in like shell shock for at least a couple days after if not longer. It's not something you want to experience. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 06:15:45 PM
advanced analytics have Michigan winning 30-24, and gives Michigan a 66% win probability.

https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1579837687254568962?s=20&t=15QD520AeYlkE9Kx0yMaKw
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
advanced analytics have Michigan winning 30-24, and gives Michigan a 66% win probability.

that won't get you a cup of coffee
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 06:34:01 PM
that won't get you a cup of coffee
yeah no shit. just pointing it out as it's relevant to this match-up, no?

SP+, Advanced Stats, and CFB Nerds computer model all seem to heavily favor Michigan. As does Vegas, as the line opened with Michigan as a TD favorite. Translation: no excuse to lose this one at home as a favorite- this is a must win for Jeem. But hey that's why they play the games. Any Given Saturday, as they say.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2022, 08:05:04 PM
yup, it's a crazy game

just one reason we all luv it
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2022, 08:05:23 PM
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Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 11, 2022, 08:09:08 PM
who made the list? is that PFF? 

wonder where this guy would be had he not left...

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1579639669863505921?s=20&t=SbnDtebU3wY4X8gePgunaw
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2022, 08:39:07 PM
good for him

has a running back behind him, an O-line in front of him and an offense that limits turnovers

great college QB and a better young man

everyone in Nebraska is rooting for him
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: slugsrbad on October 11, 2022, 09:01:13 PM
your voodoo magic will not work!

in all seriousness I think Penn State has a great shot. They play defense and can run the ball now. That keeps you in every game. Except when you're playing Ohio State and they can drop 60.

But I honestly think Penn State would have an even better shot if they had started Drew Allar over Clifford to start the year. I think they are making the same mistake that Michigan made last year not just giving JJ the job over Cade and letting him run with it. Allar was a 5* QB for a reason- dude has serious talent. Clifford = Cade. JAG. If you want to be a big boy in CFB these days you need an elite QB like Clemson had with Watson/Lawerence, like Ohio State has/had with Fields and now Stroud, like BAMA has had with Tua and Bryce. UGA last year with Bennett was an anomaly- they just happened to have maybe the best defense college football has seen in the last 25 years or more- and Bennett went off in the playoffs. They look like they've come back down to earth this year though without that incredible defense and Bennett is looking more like who he really is.
Definitely agree.  It might have been "worse" for this year, but would have pay dividends (I hope) next year.  
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2022, 08:12:38 AM
who made the list? is that PFF?

I wondered the same. That's a shit list. Definitely not PFF.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 08:49:56 AM
Here's ESPiN's Ranking
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr/_/group/5
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 12, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
But I honestly think Penn State would have an even better shot if they had started Drew Allar over Clifford to start the year. I think they are making the same mistake that Michigan made last year not just giving JJ the job over Cade and letting him run with it. Allar was a 5* QB for a reason- dude has serious talent. 
Allar was QB of my HS. He's been fun to watch, wish he had chosen to compete for NC's in Columbus instead of trying to be a spoiler as a Nittany Lion.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Here's ESPiN's Ranking
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr/_/group/5
Stroud at 94.8 QBR is insane. He's playing at a super high level. JJ #2 at 82.1, not bad JJ, not bad at all. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 12, 2022, 10:52:12 AM
yeah no shit. just pointing it out as it's relevant to this match-up, no?

SP+, Advanced Stats, and CFB Nerds computer model all seem to heavily favor Michigan. As does Vegas, as the line opened with Michigan as a TD favorite. Translation: no excuse to lose this one at home as a favorite- this is a must win for Jeem. But hey that's why they play the games. Any Given Saturday, as they say.
I like College Football Nerds, watched their preview last night. 

The most interesting part of this game to me is that it will be BY FAR the best opponent that either has faced. Per Sagrin Michigan is #5 and Penn State is #15. Here are the teams they have played:
Suffice to say that neither has faced anything like the quality of opposition they are about to see (not picking on them, tOSU hasn't really either) so I want to see how they respond when the guys on the other sideline can actually punch back.

Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
Definitely agree.  It might have been "worse" for this year, but would have pay dividends (I hope) next year. 
yeah, honestly I feel like most coaches are way too conservative some times. I feel like if you have a true freshman that is neck and neck with the upperclassmen- I'm ALWAYS playing the true freshman. You don't get better at football sitting on the sidelines. And if a true freshman is pushing an upperclassmen to the brink- well that says that upperclassmen probably just isn't that good.

I mean all of last fall camp as a true frosh JJ was splitting #1 reps in practice with Cade- Cade won the job and then JJ was barely getting any reps with the #1's in practices during the season and he barely played in the games- they had packages here and there for him- but that's it- he didn't get much playing time. That's A TON of opportunity wasted for those coaches to help him to get better in practice with the #1's and more importantly to get better on the field in the games and learning how to play the position in the games in real time. Fast forward to this year and JJ missed all of spring practice with a shoulder injury and he split #1 reps in fall camp AGAIN with Cade in a position battle. That's a BUNCH of time wasted with not letting JJ build chemistry with his WRs in practice. And it takes time to build that chemistry- doesn't happen overnight.

This is serious malfeasance imo on the part of Harbaugh. Just one of many reasons I don't like that guy. JJ would be A LOT further ahead right now if he was getting all the #1 reps in practice all fall camp last year and this year and in practice during last season and more importantly getting live action experience in the games.

Cade is what he is and always will be. Ditto Clifford. JAG. Guys like JJ/Allar have 1st round NFL potential. As a coach you need to unlock and unleash that potential- not put it in a box on the sidelines to play an inferior talented upperclassmen just bc you're afraid of failure with a rookie true frosh. Franklin/PSU making same mistakes with Allar that Harb/Mich made last year with JJ imo.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 10:57:18 AM
Allar was QB of my HS. He's been fun to watch, wish he had chosen to compete for NC's in Columbus instead of trying to be a spoiler as a Nittany Lion.
yeah he's super talented, big dude with a big arm. can you blame him though, OSU QB room is loaded lol. He probably figured he'd be able to start at PSU right away. I think he'll eventually be starting there at PSU by the end of the year. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
I like College Football Nerds, watched their preview last night.

The most interesting part of this game to me is that it will be BY FAR the best opponent that either has faced. Per Sagrin Michigan is #5 and Penn State is #15. Here are the teams they have played:
  • 28 PU, PSU
  • 33 Iowa, M
  • 37 UMD, M
  • 55 Auburn, PSU
  • 87 IU, M
  • 101 CMU, PSU
  • 103 NU, PSU
  • 119 OhioU, PSU
  • 136 CoSt, M
  • 150 UCONN, M
  • 166 Hawaii, M
Suffice to say that neither has faced anything like the quality of opposition they are about to see (not picking on them, tOSU hasn't really either) so I want to see how they respond when the guys on the other sideline can actually punch back.
I agree. Neither team has really played much of a slate yet. Should be a really good game! 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 11:04:37 AM
another really good College Football Podcast, The Late Kick with Josh Pate. Pate has Michigan winning but Penn State covering. His producer- a Penn State slappy- has Penn State winning by 2 TD's. 

Pate brought up some really interesting history, not sure that history matters much in these games but it is interesting. Last time Penn State went on the road and got a top 5 win was in 1994 vs.....Michigan. Last two times Franklin went into The Big House he lost 49-10 (2016) and 42-7 (2018). And those weren't like awful or bad Penn State teams either. Penn State was the B1G champ in 2016 and finished in the final rankings at #5 and Penn State finished the year ranked #17 in the top 25 in 2018. 

Pate also brought up an interesting stat, when Sean Clifford attempts 35 or more passes in a game Penn State is 1-5. Key to this game should be for Michigan to try to get a lead fast and try to suffocate the Penn State run game and make Clifford throw it 35+ a game. Easier said then done- but that should be the game plan....make Clifford throw it a lot. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzbMM-znS0
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 12, 2022, 11:05:28 AM
yeah he's super talented, big dude with a big arm. can you blame him though, OSU QB room is loaded lol. He probably figured he'd be able to start at PSU right away. I think he'll eventually be starting there at PSU by the end of the year.
I get it, if it were me though I'd want to play for a bigger prize. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 11:11:05 AM
I get it, if it were me though I'd want to play for a bigger prize.
hey, everyone wants to be the man. til they get beat by the man. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 11:25:41 AM
Michigan and Penn State defenses both top 5 in defensive stop rate...Michigan #2 at 83.3% and Penn State at #5 at 81.2% 

https://twitter.com/max_olson/status/1580199378912149509?s=20&t=rQrv9XWKgFxyDLf6RNcOrg 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 12, 2022, 11:29:23 AM

Pate also brought up an interesting stat, when Sean Clifford attempts 35 or more passes in a game Penn State is 1-5. Key to this game should be for Michigan to try to get a lead fast and try to suffocate the Penn State run game and make Clifford throw it 35+ a game. Easier said then done- but that should be the game plan....make Clifford throw it a lot.


I would expect Sean Clifford to throw screens or a short route to their TE a lot.  And he's also going to do damage with his legs.  He's not fast but smart and patient.  Not as dangerous as Maryland's Tagovailoa, more like Iowa's Petras but with a much better arm and OL.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 12:14:23 PM
Allar was QB of my HS. He's been fun to watch, wish he had chosen to compete for NC's in Columbus instead of trying to be a spoiler as a Nittany Lion.
Depending on how the rest of the team develops around him he could come back to bite the Bucks.I followed Trubisky when he was at Mentor and he was great - can't keep them all unfotunately
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 12, 2022, 12:16:33 PM
Michigan and Penn State defenses both top 5 in defensive stop rate...Michigan #2 at 83.3% and Penn State at #5 at 81.2%

https://twitter.com/max_olson/status/1580199378912149509?s=20&t=rQrv9XWKgFxyDLf6RNcOrg
Some good defense being played in the conference.   
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 12:16:38 PM

Pate also brought up an interesting stat, when Sean Clifford attempts 35 or more passes in a game Penn State is 1-5. Key to this game should be for Michigan to try to get a lead fast and try to suffocate the Penn State run game and make Clifford throw it 35+ a game. Easier said then done- but that should be the game plan....make Clifford throw it a lot.
If Pennz OL is half way decent that won't happen as their backs are good
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
I'm sure everyone probably hates this guy, but I actually like former OSU WR coach Zach Smith's college football podcast. He knows his sh&t and breaks things down pretty well if you ask me, and he's breaking down the B1G QBs here. 

Of the starting QB's in the B1G- JJ McCarthy is in 8th place in the B1G at completion % on deep balls- definitely not great- but dead last in the B1G at #14 is Sean Clifford- hitting only 17% of deep balls. JJ is the #1 QB in the B1G at intermediate throws (balls that travel in the air a distance of 10-19 yards) completing 75% of those passes- Clifford is 8th at just over 50%. Under pressure JJ McCarthy is the #1 QB in the B1G - with 75% completion under pressures- Clifford is 4th in the B1G- which is very good. JJ McCarthy is the #1 QB in the B1G against the blitz completing 79% of his passes when blitzed- Clifford is 10th at 57%. Allowed pressures = collection of player faults QB mistakes, OL whiffs, RB/TE missing chips- basically just = how many pressures on the QB an offense is allowing - JJ/Michigan is #2 in the B1G at 23 allowed pressures- Penn State/Clifford - 9th in the B1G at 40- and they've played 1 less game than Michigan. 

https://youtu.be/U3CdEUKw4Ec?t=1354
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 01:39:31 PM
former OSU WR coach Zach Smith

the dude that got Urbs fired?
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 01:44:08 PM
former OSU WR coach Zach Smith

the dude that got Urbs fired?
yup. technically Urbs got himself fired. he went into coverup mode and lied on record to the media and then it all blew up in his face when it was discovered he had been lying. Urbs shouldn't have done that. Urbs got himself fired in the NFL too.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 01:47:09 PM
just wondered if it was the guy I was thinkin about

agreed Urbs got himself fired

but, it didn't seem to me that Zach had many brains in his head

but college football podcast doesn't take high levels of intelligence, so he might excel 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 01:47:39 PM
Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy wanted to let his critics know that at the end of the day, he doesn’t really care what they think about his play. He sees it, and knows some of it — like that from Fox Sports analyst Joel Klatt — can be right from time to time, but McCarthy’s not in the business of letting Twitter be his coach.

With Fox broadcasting Michigan’s first three conference games and Gus Johnson and Klatt on the call, the former Colorado quarterback has taken a front-row seat to praise and prod McCarthy early on in his career as a starting quarterback. For weeks now, Klatt has pointed out McCarthy needs to put more air under deep balls, and the quarterback clearly heard him.

“It just comes with the job. And it’s one of those things where you can only focus on what you can control. And what your coaches are telling you and what you’re self-criticizing. And I promise you that I’m harder on myself than any critic out there is on me. It’s nothing, I really don’t pay too much attention to it,” McCarthy said of critiques to his game. “Actually, I’m thankful for it, because it’s guys like Joel Klatt that are pointing things that out that sometimes the coaches might miss on, so it’s just more information to grow and get better and I’m appreciative of that. I’m not going to get emotional with it, I’m just going to take the advice and I’m going to roll with it. If it works it works. If it doesn’t, then I won’t implement it.”


https://www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/jj-mccarthy-responds-to-criticism-singles-out-fox-analyst-joel-klatt/?fbclid=IwAR0zZGXvQYK6Fpgd9Par3cizxFDry1QfaqZpg06egBr0gYz_09umikRJ40o (https://www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/jj-mccarthy-responds-to-criticism-singles-out-fox-analyst-joel-klatt/?fbclid=IwAR0zZGXvQYK6Fpgd9Par3cizxFDry1QfaqZpg06egBr0gYz_09umikRJ40o)
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 02:05:49 PM
JJ seems like a mature beyond his years type of kid. Michigan's offense has not even begun to hit it's ceiling, feel like they are just scratching the surface still. Feels like the offense has been super vanilla and they have put a governor on it. It has yet to really blossom. They haven't really got the deep balls going, their fastest and best go-route WR Roman Wilson has been out a couple weeks with concussion protocol, their best TE Erick All has been out all season, and they just got RB Donovan Edwards back and they have yet to incorporate him into the passing game. JJ has still only started what- 4 or 5 games. He's got plenty of experience and growth ahead of him. It hasn't been much, but I have seen some criticism on the kid, which is astounding to me considering....

JJ McCarthy is the #1 QB in the B1G at intermediate throws (passes that travel an air distance of 10-19 yards) completing 75% of those passes.

Under pressure JJ McCarthy is the #1 QB in the B1G - with 75% completion when under pressures.

JJ McCarthy is the #1 QB in the B1G against the blitz completing 79% of his passes when blitzed.

JJ McCarthy leads the entire FBS with a completion % of 78.3%.

JJ McCarthy's TD-to-INT ratio of 9-1 is #1 in the B1G.

JJ McCarthy's ESPN QBR of 82.1 is #2 in the B1G behind only CJ Stroud.

Aside from some typical rookie mistakes that every young inexperienced player makes- and aside from only being 8th in the B1G on deep balls- which is a fair criticism and #8 in the B1G on deep balls is not great - the kid has been lights out. He's not perfect. No young QB is. The only guy close to perfect at QB in this conference right now is the dude at OSU. That's it. And even he isn't perfect. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 02:16:13 PM
former OSU WR coach Zach Smith

the dude that got Urbs fired?
URBZ got URBZ fired,he blows smoke where ever he's been
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 02:17:06 PM
JJ McCarthy is 33 of 42, 78.6%, 382 yards, 9.1 YPA, 6 TDs, 0 INTs when blitzed and 12 of 18, 66.7%, 157 yards, 8.7 YPA, 2 TDs, 0 INTs under pressure. And on the play action...

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1580205712814526470?s=20&t=mydJRqf5dVQbTIdJ0WlX9A
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 12, 2022, 03:12:05 PM
Urbz did not get fired from OSU. 

If you say something 199 times in the interwebz- it still isn’t true if it never was. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 03:17:02 PM
He was basically encouraged to explore other options
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
maybe Scott Frost and Paul Chryst weren't fired
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 12, 2022, 03:41:14 PM
maybe Scott Frost and Paul Chryst weren't fired
Not much of a comparison. Publicly fired mid season. Openly revealed.  

try harder. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 12, 2022, 03:42:52 PM
He was basically encouraged to explore other options
Really?   Your privy to new info or secret info that was never before said or even insinuated by any credible source?
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 03:44:47 PM
well, supposedly Paul Chryst didn't get the full buy out so, there was some negotiation 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 04:15:32 PM
Really?  Your privy to new info or secret info that was never before said or even insinuated by any credible source?
HB,he burned a lot of street cred,The posters on Eleven Warriors had much to say and interesting takes. And i don't have the page book marked - if it's still archived.Think of all the saucy shyt he did that we know about.He kept bullshitting people on many things. Jesus look at where he hands on his supposed "Grand Kids" that he was supposedly visiting.Tells a plane full of grown ass men a line of crap a mile long.Then plays grab ass with some tart in his own Restuarant and ignores the cameras running. The Univerisity had crap on him and wasn't get embarrased again
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 12, 2022, 04:59:30 PM
HB,he burned a lot of street cred,The posters on Eleven Warriors had much to say and interesting takes. And i don't have the page book marked - if it's still archived.Think of all the saucy shyt he did that we know about.He kept bullshitting people on many things. Jesus look at where he hands on his supposed "Grand Kids" that he was supposedly visiting.Tells a plane full of grown ass men a line of crap a mile long.Then plays grab ass with some tart in his own Restuarant and ignores the cameras running. The Univerisity had crap on him and wasn't get embarrased again
I am in no way defending him.  At all.  But as a factual matter, he was not fired from his job at OSU.  Period. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2022, 05:04:24 PM
True I was following Fearless quote - which is never a good thing ;D
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 05:53:06 PM
just saw this stat that James Franklin coming off a bye week is 3-6 overall, and 1-3 on the road. His only win on the road coming off a bye week was against Maryland who went 3-9 that season.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: slugsrbad on October 12, 2022, 05:59:01 PM
just saw this stat that James Franklin coming off a bye week is 3-6 overall, and 1-3 on the road. His only win on the road coming off a bye week was against Maryland who went 3-9 that season.
Franklin’s greatest weakness - giving him time to think.(I kid, kind of).  
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 16, 2022, 12:54:28 AM
The final score does not indicate how lopsided this game was.

Michigan rushed for 418 yards, with 563 total yards against the SP+ #6 defense.  Michigan never punted, had the ball for 41:56.  Subtract Sean Clifford’s tricksie 62 yard run and Penn State only had 49 yards rushing. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 16, 2022, 08:23:20 AM
that was an ass kicking. 

Franklin now has 49-10, 42-7, and 41-17 beat downs on his record coming into Ann Arbor and is 3-7 coming off bye weeks. He’s also 0-10 vs top 10 teams since 2016.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 16, 2022, 10:10:33 AM
How did Franklin get a 72 million dollar buy out(according to Lion's Pride Board). Horrible after bye's
vs. Top 25 teams: 11-17
vs. Top 10 teams: 2-13
vs. Ohio State: 1-7
vs. Michigan: 3-5
vs. Michigan State: 3-5
in bowl games: 3-4

SMDH,the buyouts they're given should really be reviewed by Universities - it's criminal.Do your job marginally to like shyt and your set for life.Put the money in the school not some jock that is already overpaid.Tucker and Ferentz are supposedly wild also
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 17, 2022, 06:09:06 AM
Michigan’s OL is better than last year. Michigan’s QB is better than last year. Michigan is better, more explosive and more dynamic at RB this year with the Corum & Edwards duo. Michigan is better at WR than last year with Ronnie Bell coming back from injury. 

Michigan‘s defense looks nearly as good as last year. They are stronger on the interior and deeper and better in the secondary and they are getting pass rush from 4-5 different guys, not just two. The new DC Minter has been a magician at 2nd half adjustments and has been pitching shut outs in 2nd halves of nearly every game. 

Special teams are still top notch. 

Red zone offense still concerns me. Their lack of even trying to establish a down field passing game concerns me. But in all honesty this team has not even hit its stride yet on offense nor have they put together a full 4 QTR game. Still feel like they have yet to scratch the surface of what they can become. They have lots of room for growth and they have 5 weeks including this bye to clean stuff up and try to implement a downfield passing attack and to play consistently for 4 QTRs before they face the ultimate test in Columbus.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on October 17, 2022, 07:43:18 AM
Michigan’s OL is better than last year. Michigan’s QB is better than last year. Michigan is better, more explosive and more dynamic at RB this year with the Corum & Edwards duo. Michigan is better at WR than last year with Ronnie Bell coming back from injury.

Michigan‘s defense looks nearly as good as last year. They are stronger on the interior and deeper and better in the secondary and they are getting pass rush from 4-5 different guys, not just two. The new DC Minter has been a magician at 2nd half adjustments and has been pitching shut outs in 2nd halves of nearly every game.

Special teams are still top notch.

Red zone offense still concerns me. Their lack of even trying to establish a down field passing game concerns me. But in all honesty this team has not even hit its stride yet on offense nor have they put together a full 4 QTR game. Still feel like they have yet to scratch the surface of what they can become. They have lots of room for growth and they have 5 weeks including this bye to clean stuff up and try to implement a downfield passing attack and to play consistently for 4 QTRs before they face the ultimate test in Columbus.
Agree.  This game was a great learning experience for JJ.  Better to chuck it out of bounds than try to be a hero is the lesson he needs to learn.  But credit Penn State's DBs...they're good.

Urban Meyer on the Fox pre-game show Saturday..."there is no way Michigan is going to be able to run the ball on Penn State."
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 17, 2022, 01:05:40 PM
Urban's a tool,unless he had coin on M and did the "No Way" thing for reverse hocus-pocus.But I don't think he's privy to that
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 18, 2022, 09:06:51 AM
https://twitter.com/jackwilly83/status/1582248949351534593?s=20&t=m9Zj-zN4yLOEAbBVdwg_tA
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 19, 2022, 09:48:12 AM
The importance of explosiveness:

Against Iowa Corum and Edwards combined for 34 carries for 162 yards for an average of 4.8.

Against Penn State Corum and Edwards combined for 44 carries for 339 yards for an average of 7.7.

What was the difference?

It wasn't 2.2 yards each on all carries, it was the big plays that Penn State allowed and Iowa didn't. Against Iowa Corum's long was 20 and Edwards' long was just 12. 

Against Penn State Edwards and Corum had runs of 67 and 61 yards respectively. Worse for PSU, these runs occurred on consecutive plays for the Michigan offense and turned a 17-16 PSU lead into a 31-17 PSU deficit. 

Without those two plays Corum and Edwards combined for 42 carries for 211 yards for an average of 5.0. 

I realize that Michigan was outplaying Penn State long before they took the lead but in an eerily similar fashion my Buckeyes dominated the first half of the CFP Semi-final against Clemson a couple years ago but only led 16-14 at the half and ended up losing. It happens. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2022, 10:35:48 AM
The importance of explosiveness:

Against Iowa Corum and Edwards combined for 34 carries for 162 yards for an average of 4.8.

Against Penn State Corum and Edwards combined for 44 carries for 339 yards for an average of 7.7.

What was the difference?

It wasn't 2.2 yards each on all carries, it was the big plays that Penn State allowed and Iowa didn't. Against Iowa Corum's long was 20 and Edwards' long was just 12.

Against Penn State Edwards and Corum had runs of 67 and 61 yards respectively. Worse for PSU, these runs occurred on consecutive plays for the Michigan offense and turned a 17-16 PSU lead into a 31-17 PSU deficit.

Without those two plays Corum and Edwards combined for 42 carries for 211 yards for an average of 5.0.

I realize that Michigan was outplaying Penn State long before they took the lead but in an eerily similar fashion my Buckeyes dominated the first half of the CFP Semi-final against Clemson a couple years ago but only led 16-14 at the half and ended up losing. It happens.
Oh yeah.    That game.  Rrrgh.  Took a TD off the board for OSU. ( the fumble that wasn’t a catch after 4 steps). Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 19, 2022, 10:59:42 AM
some hot takes from seeing these guys up close and personal, my seats were 5 rows away from the Michigan sideline...

- JJ McCarthy is far from a finished product- he had missed opportunities where his 2nd and 3rd reads were wide open. He locks on his 1st read too much and he holds the ball too long. Having said that- the passing scheme and play calling isn't helping him. Having said that- he's RIDICULOUSLY talented. Seeing that kid live in person....that arm talent is elite and he is FAST for a QB. Not trying to knock Cade- but....he's A LOT better than Cade. That's no disrespect to Cade, it's just the reality of the situation.

- Blake Corum is really good at football. Donovan Edwards just might be better. That's crazy to say, but Corum is pretty much a finished product and Edwards isn't even scratching the surface of what he can be. This is a SPECIAL 1-2 punch that Michigan has at RB. These are both future NFL backs with serious explosive and play making ability. Michigan hasn't had one of these type of guys at RB let alone two of them together in a long long long time.

- Ronnie Bell is an AWESOME #2 WR. He's the most polished WR they have, but he's not a legit #1 who can take over a game or scare a defense. Starting to be afraid that Roman Wilson isn't much more than a go route WR- he's faster than sh&t but his route running leaves a lot to be desired. I think WR coaching is a major issue at Michigan and has been for years. Wilson running go routes all day long would be fine if Michigan actually threw the ball deep often- but- they don't. Cornelius Johnson is their most physically imposing WR. He's much bigger and more physical than Bell and just as fast if not faster- and while he's not as fast as Roman Wilson he looks like a grown ass man standing next to his kid brother when they stand next to each other. Andrel Anthony is the one WR that looked to my eye to just play at a higher level athletically than those other 3....and he barely plays at all. It's just effortless and easy with him in and out of breaks, he eats up cushion faster and just looks more athletic than those other 3 guys....and he doesn't even play. Go figure.

- the OL is better than last year. Hayes, Keegan, and Zinter all returned and the addition of Olu Oluwatimi has taken that OL up a notch. No disrespect to Andrew Vastardis- he was a solid college player- but he had zero NFL future. Oluwatimi is a future NFL center. That guy is a DUDE. Seriously impressive seeing him in person. Dancing bear I believe is the term. Dude is a beast.

- the DL is better than last year. How? They are rounding out into form on the interior and appear to be much stronger there. DT's Mazi Smith and Kenneth Grant look like NFL players in person. Grant is a true freshman. Both of them are like...holy sh&t that's a monster. Back-up EDGE Braiden McGregor does as well. So does starting EDGE Mike Morris. So does back-up EDGE and true frosh Derrick Moore. Those 5 dudes physically look like NFL players right now...seeing them up close in person- they are straight up scary looking. Just massive human beings. Mason Graham- another true frosh at DT might just be their best defensive tackle. Which is insane because Mazi Smith is playing out of his mind right now. Mason Graham has no business being as good as he has been as a true freshman. They rotate A LOT of guys on that DL- a lot more than last year and maybe that is why they are keeping fresh and wear teams down in 2nd half of games. Mazi Smith, Mason Graham, Kris Jenkins, and Kenneth Grant all got a lot of snaps on the interior vs PSU and at EDGE they rotate Mike Morris, Jaylen Harrell, Eyabi Okie, Derrick Moore, Braiden McGregor, and Taylor Upshaw. Okie, Moore, and McGregor were very highly rated recruits- you expect a lot of guys like that- but Morris and Harrell are the starters and they were just "nooooo 3 starz ewwww" - and Morris is their best EDGE player. They are also BETTER this year at setting the edge vs the run with their edge defenders. Why? Well David Ojabo was kind of a huge liability at run defense and setting the edge and while Hutchinson was really good at that- Mike Morris may be even better at setting the edge vs the run. Morris does have about 30 pounds of muscle on Hutch though....so yeah.

- Mike Sainistril might be one of the top 3 players on that defense. And that is insane considering he played WR last season. His football IQ and instincts appear to be off the charts. He just always seems to be in perfect position and always just seems to know what offenses are trying to do before they do it. He's their best DB and it's not really close. The CBs really have yet to be tested. DJ Turner has been inconsistent this year- he's maybe the fastest guy on their entire team and he flashes great play and then has some not so great play. He's just not consistent. He'll gamble and get beat too much imo. Gemon Green has been a pleasant surprise and has been their best, most consistent CB. The safeties appear to be pretty good with RJ Moten, Rod Moore, and Makari Paige- but again- they haven't really been tested. True frosh CB Will Johnson looks like an NFL CB- he's a VERY impressive looking physical specimen seeing him up close in person. Every bit of 6'1/6'2, really long arms, really big hands, broad shoulders, really well built. He's a true frosh and he looks more impressive physically than either of the starting CB's- DJ Turner or Gemon Green. Secondary is largely untested, really don't know what exactly what to think of it yet. But I DO think Sainistril is a legit All-Conference caliber player and that Will Johnson will take over a starting CB job by end of the year- he just flat out physically looks different than the two other CBs- not sure you keep that on the bench for much longer.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Abba on October 19, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
We need more insurance commercials, because that guy doesn't know the difference between life insurance and disability insurance.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 19, 2022, 11:10:01 AM
Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
I was livid on the very next set of downs,one of Clemson's DBs literally head butted JK Dobbins and the line judge was right there.NOTHING,guys on the home boards kept showing the video which made it that much worse.Someone on the game thread here questioned that too. Either a pay off or gross incompetence,That game was literally lost to the refereeing. I've always been an advocate of 1 play aQTR review.So much goes into a team's prep and it shouldn't come to that.I really,really hope that kharma caught up to those two twats that jobbed tOSU.Of course LSU and Jeaux Burreaux waiting in the wings was another matter all together
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 19, 2022, 04:34:44 PM
Oh yeah.    That game.  Rrrgh.  Took a TD off the board for OSU. ( the fumble that wasn’t a catch after 4 steps). Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
I was livid on the very next set of downs,one of Clemson's DBs literally head butted JK Dobbins and the line judge was right there.NOTHING,guys on the home boards kept showing the video which made it that much worse.Someone on the game thread here questioned that too. Either a pay off or gross incompetence,That game was literally lost to the refereeing. I've always been an advocate of 1 play aQTR review.So much goes into a team's prep and it shouldn't come to that.I really,really hope that kharma caught up to those two twats that jobbed tOSU.Of course LSU and Jeaux Burreaux waiting in the wings was another matter all together
I generally agree with you guys and I was pretty mad about that four-step non-catch/non-fumble as well but it wasn't just the officiating and the Targeting called on our guy and NOT called on theirs.  

As usual in games where this happens (1996 vs Michigan is the same thing) there are either turnovers or RZ issues or both.  

Ohio State had four 70+ yard scoring drives in the first half of that 2019 CFP Semi-Final against Clemson:

Later in the game:

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had been 2 TD's and 2 FG's then:

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had been 3 TD's and 1 FG then:

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had all been TD's it would have been a blowout.  

Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2022, 05:30:16 PM
It was a blowout the next year.  😊
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 20, 2022, 05:07:49 PM
pretty much every game that JJ McCarthy has played in he's made a few throws that just make you go "WOW...ummmm Cade can't do that" and to just salivate at the potential he has and the potential this passing game could have if it's developed more....this one vs Penn State is just a thing of beauty....he let it rip at the 9 yard line and it traveled 40+ yards in the air- on the run- on a frozen rope- a dart throw on the run to the sideline- that's an NFL throw and he's got serious arm talent. Just wish we'd get to see more of him throwing the ball down the field.

They finally got Donovan Edwards healthy and involved. JJ is just scratching the surface of what he could be. Those two players are the key for Michigan really taking off. Donovan Edwards needs to get more involved in this offense and JJ needs to attempt more downfield throws and connect on them- and this team could really just take off into the stratosphere.

https://twitter.com/kyronsamuels/status/1581322201990852608?s=20&t=kvEfGR3uHqQmjca5C9uQzg
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 20, 2022, 05:39:54 PM
JJ's first 6 starts in 2022 vs Cade's first 6 starts last year...

JJ: 111 completions, 144 attempts, 77.1% completion, 1,297 yards, 9.1 YPA, 9 TD vs 2 INT, 170.6 QB Rating, 81.2 ESPN QBR

Cade: 72 completion, 119 attempts, 60.5% completion, 986 yards, 8.28 YPA, 5 TD vs 1 INT, 159.9 QB Rating, 68.5 ESPN QBR

think it's safe to say they made the right choice...if anyone is still questioning the QB switch, which I doubt they are anymore.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 20, 2022, 07:11:34 PM
Quite frankly every board i've perused were heavily in the favor of JJM - it wasn't 50/50 much more like 70/30 so not sure where you're finding that boogie man
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 20, 2022, 08:36:42 PM
Quite frankly every board i've perused were heavily in the favor of JJM - it wasn't 50/50 much more like 70/30 so not sure where you're finding that boogie man
never said it was 50/50, and I'd say fan base was probably 80/20 in favor of JJ, merely pointing out- they 100% made the correct decision. JJ missed all of spring ball with the shoulder injury and he had to split 1 reps with Cade all fall in a position battle. As good as he's played- no doubt he'd be playing even better had he gotten those crucial spring ball reps young players need and had he just been given all the 1 reps in fall. 
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 21, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
great breakdown of what JJ brings to the run game with none other than Urban Meyer. Love these segments with Urbs by the way, dude has an uncanny ability to break down football and translate it for the laymen. Pretty obvious to say his football IQ is off the charts and it's no wonder why he's probably the 2nd greatest college coach ever behind only Saint Nick. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcPRGtQC1OQ
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on October 24, 2022, 12:34:35 PM
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Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 12:35:43 PM
Franklin is a nit-wit. perfect fit for the nits. to have a nit-wit leading ya.
Title: Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 02:18:56 PM
just saw this, pretty cool to see from a young kid. JJ is a class act. 

https://twitter.com/247RumorKing/status/1582446966914834432?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQ