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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on August 12, 2022, 09:24:35 AM
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Let's go!!
Ok, so it's the preseason, and camps are in session. Meanwhile, the predictions and rankings are piling up. Here are some predictions to get things started, from Jerry Palm:
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OK, so let's start with the playoff.
Hard to argue against OSU, Bama and UGA being in that group.
Oklahoma though? New head coach, some lost players, and a pretty tough schedule make this pick a little hard for me to swallow. I'm tempted to predict Baylor repeating as XII champs.
OK, the NY6 bowls.
Locks: Michigan is not going to the Rose Bowl, and USC is not going to the Cotton.
Near locks: Cincy will not be the highest G5 team this year.
My predictions would be:
Wisconsin vs. Utah in the Rose
G5 TBD vs. aTm in the Cotton
oSu vs. Tenn in the Sugar
I like the Clemson/ND pick for the Peach.
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I would pick Clemson over the Sooners
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Wisconsin will be better this year. Assuming Wisconsin wins the West and Ohio State the East, I don't think two losses (to the Buckeyes) would get them into the Rose.
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UW is past due for a win over those guys, that's for sure. It's all about the QB this season.
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I'd be surprised if USC makes it to the Cotton.
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UW is past due for a win over those guys, that's for sure. It's all about the QB this season.
so, beat em in the reg season and lose in the Champ game?
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so, beat em in the reg season and lose in the Champ game?
Either or. I still think OSU goes to the playoff even with a loss in the CCG.
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BYU is an interesting G5 team this year. They have a tough schedule. I'd be curious if they go 10-2, if they would be ranked ahead of an undefeated UCF, who would have a much weaker schedule.
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Either or. I still think OSU goes to the playoff even with a loss in the CCG.
Um,doubt it early season loss perhaps.Let's just hope there's alot of one possession games spilling into overtime.Off seasons are too damn long these days
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Why is Nebraska laying 12 points in Ireland for th Northwestern game? Guess, past performance, bearish on NW in early season coupled with distorted 56-7 Nebraska win in '21.
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Northwestern looks pretty bad on paper, and isn't doing so hot in ELA's simulation either. On paper, Nebraska looks like a much better team, but who knows. Northwestern's last 2 openers were shocking for different reasons:
2020: Northwestern 43, Maryland 3
2021: Michigan State 38, Northwestern 21
I really don't know what to expect from these guys the first week, and that goes double for Nebraska.
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distorted 56-7 Nebraska win in '21.
2021 - Rushes-Net Yds ...... Cats 26-37 Skers 53-427
Huskers did have the benefit of winning the turnover battle 1-0
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From our old friend Pete!!
College Football Preview 2022: All CFN 131 Team Previews, Top Players (collegefootballnews.com) (https://collegefootballnews.com/2022/08/college-football-preview-2022-team-previews-schedules-rankings-predictions-all-america-teams)
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Very nice thing for coach Locks to do here.
WATCH: Maryland coach Mike Locksley awards scholarships to punters during Ravens preseason game - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/watch-maryland-coach-mike-locksley-awards-scholarships-to-punters-during-ravens-preseason-game/)
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that is great, but 2 ships on punters???
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i think this is the year that we dont always see the teams that are supposed to win actually win
cant really say which games etc. but i bet there are teams at the end that people will be saying how the heck did they get there
i think that the new free agent rules are the reason. teams added and subtracted and teams have changed a lot since the end of last season. some good some bad but it is hard to predict how teams are set up this season
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that is great, but 2 ships on punters???
Just ships punting in the night.
(Both are fourth-year senior who have been splitting the job forever, so chances are, one leaves for some reason or the other at year's end. Plus, this late, if they scholarships are available, no use not giving them out)
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For the Gophers, it's now or never to win the West. A veteran team and a manageable schedule means that if PJ doesn't bring the hardware home this fall, he's not going to do it for a long time.
Minnesota Football Schedule 2022
Sept 1 New Mexico State
Sept 10 Western Illinois
Sept 17 Colorado
Sept 24 at Michigan State
Oct 1 Purdue
Oct 8 OPEN DATE
Oct 15 at Illinois
Oct 22 at Penn State
Oct 29 Rutgers
Nov 5 at Nebraska
Nov 12 Northwestern
Nov 19 Iowa
Nov 26 at Wisconsin
My complaints about the schedule re-rack were primarily for my ability (or lack thereof) to go to most of the games. Given everything coming back, this a schedule that can set up a title run.
-3-0 going to East Lansing
-Put me in the camp that thinks MSU was a flash in the pan. On top of that, they are playing a Pac 12 After Dark start in Seattle the week before.
-Purdue has the QB, but do they have anything else? Ask Graham Mertz how well a QB can play with a sieve for a OL.
-At Champaign against the Fighting Berts with the White Out looming will be a tricky game. Fat Bret has a good record against the Gophs.
-The White Out will be a hard game, but PSU is only 11-11 since leaving the New Brickhouse empty-handed in November 2019.
-The difficulty of the game in Lincoln will largely depend on what state of mind Nebraska is in. There is a non-zero chance Scott Frost is coaching for his job.
-Iowa is the one team that PJ hasn't beaten. Move last year's game to Minneapolis and it ends up differently.
-This administration has won at Camp Randall, and their teams have outplayed the skunks in both of their visits there.
IMHO 9-3 is the minimum on this schedule, with potential to do a lot more. Win the West, and the Tournament of Roses would be nuts not to take the Gophers no matter what happens elsewhere in the playoff.
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Badgers have a tough-ish league slate.
They should be 3-0 heading into the Shoe.
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I'm certainly glad I'm not paying for season tickets for that home slate.
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College Football Rankings 2022 - AP Top 25 - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/ap/)
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For the Gophers, it's now or never to win the West. A veteran team and a manageable schedule means that if PJ doesn't bring the hardware home this fall, he's not going to do it for a long time.
Nov 5 at Nebraska
-The difficulty of the game in Lincoln will largely depend on what state of mind Nebraska is in. There is a non-zero chance Scott Frost is coaching for his job.
a few Kool-Aid drinkers think there's a slim chance that Frost's team could have only one loss coming into the Oct 5th (Sharkwater Tailgate) game in Lincoln.
I'm not a believer. Even if Frost is 7-1 at that point, his job is still in the balance as a 4 game losing skid to end the season would be a very bad look. Even with 4 quality teams left.
at that point a win over the gophers to finish 8-4 would probably save him for another season. the 2023 season sets up to be a good one for Frosty if the starting QB comes back with a young 2-deep.
2023 starts with a trip to Minneapolis on August 31st!
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-Purdue has the QB, but do they have anything else? Ask Graham Mertz how well a QB can play with a sieve for a OL.
This is the nicest thing anyone has said about Mertz since the 2020 Michigan game.
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and it wasn't necessary
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Texas not ranked in the AP poll. How can this be?
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This is the nicest thing anyone has said about Mertz since the 2020 Michigan game.
The OL was a sieve at only one spot - the most important one. Still can't believe Rudy left him out there all season. There HAD to be someone else more serviceable. Of course, there was, and his name is Jack Nelson. Beach is now a guard, where he should have been all along.
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Texas not ranked in the AP poll. How can this be?
They got it right for once. We shouldn't start the season ranked. Hopefully we can finish that way though.
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I wouldnt rank UT until they show something better then last year
way better
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The OL was a sieve at only one spot - the most important one. Still can't believe Rudy left him out there all season. There HAD to be someone else more serviceable. Of course, there was, and his name is Jack Nelson. Beach is now a guard, where he should have been all along.
It might be true here, but one of the greatest fallacies in sports is that there has to be someone better on the bench.
There simply does not.
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Man, he looked like a bull fighter out there, especially early. A bad bull fighter.
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could he snap the ball properly?
talk about being better placed at guard
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UW is fine at center.
RT is the only true competition right now, aside from who gets to run with the twos.
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Badgers have a tough-ish league slate.
They should be 3-0 heading into the Shoe.
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I'm certainly glad I'm not paying for season tickets for that home slate.
I see that as a tough draw for UW largely because the H/A division is mostly not what I would want if I were a Badger. Specifically:
- Get HFA that is probably not needed for IL
- Do not get HFA that might be needed for MSU
- Get HFA that hasn't been needed lately for PU
- Get HFA that is probably not needed for UMD
- Do not get HFA that might be needed for Iowa
- Do not get HFA that might be needed for UNL
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Saturday Gameday on Twitter: "Wisconsin having Montee Ball, Melvin Gordon, and James White all in the same backfield was absolutely unfair. They put up 500+ rushing yards and 8 touchdowns vs Nebraska in the 2012 Big Ten Championship game 🤯 https://t.co/mv3let0FU0" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SaturdayGameday/status/1559296429847453696?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1559673065868500992|twgr^44b5de3bad31fa1e6ae89bbc9536d36a5e76e61f|twcon^s3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fwisconsin%2Fboard%2F23%2FContents%2Ftweets-144988831%2F%3Fpage%3D666)
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I am hearing that Fall camp is going really well, players are really committed to The System and getting after it, showing leadership, the younger guys have bought in, etc.
Interestingly I am hearing that about every team.
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Saturday Gameday on Twitter: "Wisconsin having Montee Ball, Melvin Gordon, and James White all in the same backfield was absolutely unfair. They put up 500+ rushing yards and 8 touchdowns vs Nebraska in the 2012 Big Ten Championship game 🤯 https://t.co/mv3let0FU0" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SaturdayGameday/status/1559296429847453696?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1559673065868500992|twgr^44b5de3bad31fa1e6ae89bbc9536d36a5e76e61f|twcon^s3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fwisconsin%2Fboard%2F23%2FContents%2Ftweets-144988831%2F%3Fpage%3D666)
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Neither defense looked mildly interested in being there
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James, Montee and Melvin were very interested though.
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The night Bielema said farewell to the Badger faithful. I'm sure it was a bittersweet moment for all.
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I just remember thinking I had never seen so much open field in a game. Combined with the prior year between MSU-UW, I thought the CCG was going to be defense optional going forward. MSU and Iowa rectified that a couple years later
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The night Bielema said farewell to the Badger faithful. I'm sure it was a bittersweet moment for all.
It wasn't that night, but soon after.
He needed a change, he thought, so he made it. He wanted to build his own program, in his image. I do believe it was time for him to go.
That might actually work out for him in Champaign. We'll see.
It certainly didn't work out at Arky.
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Arkansas appears, to me, to be a tough hard nosed team, perhaps less talented than say LSU, but also perhaps more dangerous. They remind me of some Wisconsin teams.
Kentucky is somewhat similar, with more finesse I think, but both could win ten this year. UK gets UGA at home late in the year.
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But it occurs to me that the SEC has more mysteries than usual this year, in part due to new and newer coaches. Folks are high on Tennessee and their offense, they probably have a reasonable range between 10-2 and 7-5. Florida is probably similar, as is LSU, USCe, and Ole Miss. And these guys could all finish 6-6 or worse if disaster strikes.
Vandy is pretty reliable. I don't expect much from Mizzou.
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Man, he looked like a bull fighter out there, especially early. A bad bull fighter.
Ever go to a Bull Fight on acid? Lacy Underall has
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skinny skiing??
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Ever go to a Bull Fight on acid? Lacy Underall has
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I've never been to a bullfight, but I have read Death In The Afternoon and The Sun Also Rises.
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were you on acid?
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I've taken to watching some games from last season on youtube of late and it confirmed my general idea that a lot of outcomes hinge on some fairly random events. I watched excerpts of UGA-Tenn last year on SECN and several times the "ball bounced" UGA's way. With a few breaks the Vols could be been right in there and the crowd would have been noisy throughout. Going 12-0 means you have a really good team that got some breaks.
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Going 12-0 means you have a really good team that got some breaks.
Thant's what Coach Osborne said
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Well, we're about to get this thing on the road, once again. Any pithy thoughts? Any pissy thoughts? Any thoughts?
Which is better, grass in good shape or turf? Is turf better than loose or wet or saggy grass fields?
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I've never been on modern field turf type stuff. Old school astroturf got unbelievably hot. Like, actual burns and melt your shoes hot.
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the vast majority of players today prefer the newer fieldTurf
I don't mind it
I prefer whatever might give my team and edge
the quick hard astro turf of the 70s and 80s with the high crowned field was thought to enhance a team with speed running the triple option
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the vast majority of players today prefer the newer fieldTurf
I don't mind it
I prefer whatever might give my team and edge
the quick hard astro turf of the 70s and 80s with the high crowned field was thought to enhance a team with speed running the triple option
I'd get actual burns from that stuff practicing football in Austin in August.
And marching on that stuff in Austin in August, would literally melt the rubber soles of my band shoes. They were a lot softer than cleats.
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Yeah, that old stuff was brutal. I'd rather play on frozen grass than on that stuff. The new turfs are great (as of 10 years ago when I was on it). I bet they are even better now.
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The top ten touchdown-passing teams won 76% of their games in 2021. None won fewer than seven. Touchdown passes are an indicator.
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I was on old-school Astroturf in the Metrodome for state tournaments in 1999 and 2001. I wasn't sure if I was walking on Astroturf or the business side of a steel wool pad.
FieldTurf is quite nice. Properly maintained grass is very nice as well, but by mid-October there has been a killing freeze and it is bare dirt by the time playoffs roll around. Because of this, the MSHSL has declared that all playoff games at or after the section final round must be played on turf.
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I've never been to a bullfight, but I have read Death In The Afternoon and The Sun Also Rises.
It's funny as last night I was watching youtube interviews with Orson Welles who was a good friend of Hemmingways.Welles enjoyed bullfights,Not sure how Hemingway felt about it.Interesting dudes
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Cincydawg will have to break out his EKU sweatpants in order to show support for their week one game against Eastern Michigan.
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What's everyone's plans coming up?
We're going boating on Saturday and we'll catch the second half when we get back in (before the afternoon storms come in).
Not gonna do much in the way of a typical Saturday morning during football season.
Can't next weekend either. F'ing wedding up North. Of course, UW plays a night game.
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planning to put on my red and pour a Guinness early to celebrate Husker football and conquering COVID
Chicken wings and taters in the air fryer
enjoy the Husker victory and take a nap in the recliner
and try not to forget about Vandy/Hawaii
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I'll be on the lake all weekend. I'll catch any night games that are on.
I'll be on the lake most of Labor Day weekend, too, but off the water in time to catch the Horns' opener next Saturday night.
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This weekend, plan to catch sporadic games throughout the day unless some plans develop.
For Labor Day, there is about a 15% chance someone has an extra ticket to a game about an hour and a half away. Otherwise, I’m pet sitting for some people, and will take liberal advantage their extremely large television.
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My in-laws are coming next weekend for the Gopher game on Thursday and the Minnesota State Fair the rest of the weekend, so we will be doing some house cleaning and prep for the upcoming week and change. Otherwise, very little. We need an off weekend before the semester starts, September and October are very busy months for us.
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Major travel plans looming starting in early September, two weeks plus in the Olde Country. I'm going to miss much of the season it turns out. It's been rainyish here, cloudy and off and on weather which keeps it cooler. I looked into UGA-UO tickets and they were pricey. We have a 18 day cruise in February that should be interesting, staying on a ship that long .... signed up for a trip to tour Petra.
My wife is now Platinum on Delta which may help some.
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Heading to Captain Curt's (which is the local Buckeye bar) at Siesta Key to watch the Nebraska - Northwestern game on Saturday. My wife will spend her time at the beach, while my dad and I watch the game there. I'm not sure if we'll stay beyond that game or not. We'll see how the day goes.
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You on vacation?
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Heading to Captain Curt's (which is the local Buckeye bar) at Siesta Key to watch the Nebraska - Northwestern game on Saturday. My wife will spend her time at the beach, while my dad and I watch the game there. I'm not sure if we'll stay beyond that game or not. We'll see how the day goes.
wear your RED
hopefully, they have Guinness on tap
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You on vacation?
Nah I live down here now. Bradenton, FL.
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the home of Tommie Frazier
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Nah I live down here now. Bradenton, FL.
We were at the Lido Beach resort this past weekend.
Seems to be enough of us down here to warrant a football Saturday somewhere.
We're in Burnt Store Marina.
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Moving my Saturday golf to Sunday so I can spend Saturday cooking ribs and watching College Football!!!
So glad it is back.
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We were at the Lido Beach resort this past weekend.
Seems to be enough of us down here to warrant a football Saturday somewhere.
We're in Burnt Store Marina.
Just so long as it is not the weekend your Badgers play my evil empire from Columbus.
I hear you engineering types can get pretty creative when your trying to make a point and things are tense!
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Heh, my engineering hat comes off as soon as I step away from the keyboard.
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We should do another, you know, the thing ...
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Been a long time.
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Heh, my engineering hat comes off as soon as I step away from the keyboard.
I assume it gets replaced by an old timey train engineer hat.
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Curmudgeon hat, actually. Then I start drinking and take a gummy.
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If Nebbie can reverse TO margin and pull out the close ones ....
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We should do another, you know, the thing ...
I offered to host for Sooners/Huskers
not much traction
although I think CWSooner might make the trip
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I still say the best one was in Nash Vegas. We had a lot of fun there.
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well, most everyone had more fun than you in Lincoln
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My travel plans just got way too excessive this fall and winter. Way.
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well, most everyone had more fun than you in Lincoln
I had fun, for sure.
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Y'all are welcome to come meet me in Dallas for the Red River Shootout!
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trying to keep the sellout streak alive?
or just better access to the shitters?
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They took out the old end zone seating and put in premium seating.
The Camp will probably be 60K by the time they are done, and even that may be too many.
CR Future: South End Zone Renovation | CampRandallStadium.com (https://camprandallstadium.com/)
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trying to keep the sellout streak alive?
or just better access to the shitters?
Looks like better access to the shitters in the south end zone. It didn't appear to have made any changes in the rest of the stadium.
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Trev Alberts is looking at similar "upgrades" for Memorial in Lincoln
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I really can't blame them. It's hard to convince the casual fan to come to the stadium vs. watching from home. Not sure we'll keep seeing the sellouts much longer, so better to upgrade the experience than cram more in.
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ESPN's Finnebaum was crapping on Notre Dame claimed the Buckeyes were going to smoke them in "The Big House."
*shakes Head*
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ESPN's Finnebaum was crapping on Notre Dame claimed the Buckeyes were going to smoke them in "The Big House."
*shakes Head*
Who knows what those two teams have. But I believe- based on paper ( what they carry over from last season) NDs defense is being underrated and OSUs offense is being given credit for being in mid season form- which rarely happens in Columbus.
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The "experts" have to say something niticeable, whether they really know anything or not is another question.
I find them occasionally entertaining.
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Who knows what those two teams have. But I believe- based on paper ( what they carry over from last season) NDs defense is being underrated and OSUs offense is being given credit for being in mid season form- which rarely happens in Columbus.
errr. He was calling The Shoe, The Big House, that's the problem.
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ESPN's Finnebaum was crapping on Notre Dame claimed the Buckeyes were going to smoke them in "The Big House."
*shakes Head*
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, and assume that he was just taking a subtle jab at James Franklin.
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They took out the old end zone seating and put in premium seating.
The Camp will probably be 60K by the time they are done, and even that may be too many.
CR Future: South End Zone Renovation | CampRandallStadium.com (https://camprandallstadium.com/)
Texas did the same with out most recent endzone renovation. Replaced a large section of general seating, with clubs, suites, and loges, which reduced overall capacity by a few thousand but increased revenue by at least 10x for the same sections.
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Not gonna be many "real" fans in those spots.
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I think the luxo box thing is what got MB Stadium built to replace the GA Dome built in the 90s, I think it also played into why the Braves moved from a perfectly good stadium to a new one in the worst traffic part of the city (along with some generous tax benefits of course).
The average fan today is on the outs... I have see ads for season tix to Tech games for $99 though ...
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errr. He was calling The Shoe, The Big House, that's the problem.
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Finnebaum is an interesting "character" if you will, as an "analyst". His history is enlightening, some radio show which is/was unlistenable bounced up by EPSecN to someone "in the know". He likely does have some connections, for whatever that's worth, and he knows he has to come out with striking opinions to get noticed, and he plays that card effectively.
Does he really know more about who is going to be good than anyone else? Maybe, I'd guess not. I think the Vegas lines are the best predictor we can have, and they are not perfect of course. I occasionally check SECN to see what is on and have listened a few minutes to his "radio show", on TV. It's garbage.
There is a lot of money to be made obviously pretending to be "in the know" on TV.
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Not gonna be many "real" fans in those spots.
this is the problem
since ya don't have to cater to "real" fans, the powers cater to "real" money
real fans show up regardless how you treat them until you price them out of the stadium
even then the real fan will scrap and save and attend one or two games a season instead of 6 or 7
my problem is that you lose the emotion, crowd noise, and home field advantage in the stadium
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I was slightly surprised how loud some of the partial crowds got during COVID until I realized they were mostly students and the students really supply the noise to a significant extent. I remember going to a Cincinnati game and it was pretty loud there too with only 35 K fans, but a large proportion were students.
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yes, and they keep moving the students up and away from the field to extort more money for the better seats
back in 1981 and 1982 the students had some prime seating!
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Welp, it's no longer preseason and we have a gameday stream, so...
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