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Title: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: ELA on July 14, 2022, 03:58:02 PM
The resumes:

1993 Notre Dame (11-1)

1996 Nebraska (11-2)

Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: ELA on July 14, 2022, 03:59:13 PM
Obligatory post if we are discussing '93 Irish

https://youtu.be/cipJq3ZHuuQ
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 04:12:38 PM
tough call

be really tough for me to vote for the Domers, even if they weren't up against the Huskers

both had blemishes - Boston College wasn't great, neither was 96 Texas
both had losses to great teams, 93 FSU and 96 Zona were great - the Buckeyes remember

I think 93 Nebraska would have beat hell outa the 93 Irish, but the 93 Huskers were better than the 96 Huskers

maybe I'll reserve my vote for a tiebreaker
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 14, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
It is REALLY hard for me to vote for the Domers but I think they are the better of these two. Their loss to BC was simply a bad hangover after the big win over FSU, it happens.

I think that 1996 Nebraska may be a tad overrated based on their proximity to some REALLY good Nebraska teams. This was a rebuilding year for them sandwiched between back-to-back NC's in 1994/5 and another in 1997. The ASU loss wasn't close and it was to a good but not completely great team while the B12CG loss was to a not great Texas team.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 05:47:46 PM
well, the loss to Texas was just that voodoo hex crap - no logical explanation, not even bad hangover

many rumors about walkin into the buzzsaw in Tempe that night - some about the O-line not liking the new hotshot QB that transferred in from Stanford

I think it was overconfidence after the 77–28 beatdown in Lincoln the year before.  and the impending motivation the devils had after that beating
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: Cincydawg on July 14, 2022, 05:58:07 PM
Often an upset is due to fumbles, and this game is perhaps a pretty good example of that.  3-0.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 06:20:43 PM
6 total fumbles by the Huskers - only 3 lost

Jake did toss one pick

the 3 safeties are crazy - takes some poor luck

other than passing yards the game was even
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 14, 2022, 07:23:02 PM
Post-Brady Quinn-Charlie Weis Notre Dame vs Scott Frost Nebraska? 
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 07:32:07 PM
Boo Hoo Lou Holtz neck brace vs QB Scott Frost
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2022, 08:17:56 PM
Often an upset is due to fumbles, and this game is perhaps a pretty good example of that.  3-0.
Did you watch the game?
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 08:23:39 PM
I did
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2022, 08:28:05 PM
If anyone wants to poopoo the idea of letdown games, I give you 1993 ND vs BC.  They slayed the dragon, then fell on their face the next week.  These are 20 year old kids.
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Anywho, that ND team was weird.  Unproductive QB.....kind of ran the option....somehow had 2 All-American CBs AND a shitty pass defense.  But their RBs averaged 6 yards a pop and their KR averaged 41 yds per return.  
Because they beat that FSU team and probably had no business doing so makes me not want to pick against them.
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The 96 Huskers were good, except when they weren't.  Frost was okay, but better in 97.  Green was okay, but not his peak.  
If we cut off after 95 and say they were starting again (reloading, retooling, whatever the hell), this team is like the 1990 FSU team.....good, but the returning cast would be better the following year.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2022, 08:28:30 PM
I did
You are not him.  :57:
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 08:42:18 PM
all 3 of us are aware
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 08:58:41 PM
the more I dig into the stats and matchups, the more I lean to the Husker's defense shutting down Notre Dame and winning a game between the two on the field

the resumes are close
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 14, 2022, 09:45:58 PM
Did you watch the game?
I did, and O was rooting for ASU because they were ranked ahead of tOSU but I don't remember much because:

Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: ELA on July 14, 2022, 10:05:04 PM
both had losses to great teams, 93 FSU and 96 Zona were great - the Buckeyes remember
But ND beat FSU
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: bayareabadger on July 14, 2022, 10:12:11 PM
This talk of 1996 reminds me … 

It is buckwild that one drive separated ASU from a national title and Spurrier from never winning one. 
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 10:13:24 PM
But ND beat FSU
good point
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2022, 12:44:07 AM
I did, and O was rooting for ASU because they were ranked ahead of tOSU but I don't remember much because:
  • I was in college and watching at a party, and
  • It was 26 years ago, and
  • Alcohol may have been involved (see #1 above).


What I recall from the game was that Nebraska wasn't going to win even if they played 20 quarters.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2022, 12:45:08 AM
This talk of 1996 reminds me …

It is buckwild that one drive separated ASU from a national title and Spurrier from never winning one.
Then he would have won one another year.  Butterfly effect and all.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: bayareabadger on July 15, 2022, 12:57:02 AM
Then he would have won one another year.  Butterfly effect and all.
Could've gotten the Gamecocks to the mountaintop, I suppose. 
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 12:22:28 PM
the more I dig into the stats and matchups, the more I lean to the Husker's defense shutting down Notre Dame and winning a game between the two on the field

the resumes are close
I think in single games like this, it's turnovers that most often make the difference, and TOs largely are not predictable.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 15, 2022, 01:24:38 PM
ND
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2022, 02:14:44 PM
I think in single games like this, it's turnovers that most often make the difference, and TOs largely are not predictable.

Except that good QBs tend to throw fewer INTs and traditional option teams tend to have more fumbles (and thus, lost fumbles).
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: ELA on July 15, 2022, 04:27:54 PM
Well, nothing says 90's college football like an inability to break ties
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1993 Notre Dame vs. 1996 Nebraska
Post by: FearlessF on July 15, 2022, 07:47:40 PM
Doc Tom Osborne - 3 ties - 1 in the 90s when the Buffs blocked the 41 yard FG on the last play of the game
Boo Hoo Lou Holtz - 7 ties - 3 in the 90s