regardless of level of difficultIowa-ISU is a bad and non-representative example. Just like Florida-Florida State is a bad example, and Georgia-Georgia Tech and Clemson-South Carolina are all bad and non-representative examples.
if both sides want it to happen, Bedlam will be preserved
Iowa / Iowa State
has been preserved, mostly because of the state law makers
perhaps not the same as non con rivals, but now they will be non con rivals(same)People said that kind of thing might happen with UT-TAMU but it didn't. I don't think it's likely it would happen in Oklahoma either.
my point was, if the state government recommends they schedule an annual game or forfeit state funding, the game will be played annually
it's pretty easy, the accountants and $$$ always win
"State funding" only really affects the academic side of the university system. The Texas Athletics Department sustains itself largely on the backs of massive football donations. It gives money back to the University itself. Undoing the endowments and permanent funds for the system would be a legislative nightmare. Maybe like 10 Texas legislators care, anyhow.
The Texas Legislature does so much dumb stuff that the population thinks they can do other dumb stuff.
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yes, but we're not talkin bout UT
we're talkin bout OSU, I'd guess OSU needs the money (athletic and academic) and the game vs the Sooners more than just a little bit.
Well, unless T-Bone is still donating at a high level.
Coaches don't like to schedule a loss, but they don't always get to set their schedule.
As stated before, it is Gundy who is reluctant to schedule another likely L every season. With the Sooners and Texas out of the way, this is OSU's chance to be top dog in the conference.
From the Sooner side, this game is much better than paying some FCS school $1-2 million to take a beat down and not much more risky.
I don't really have an opinion on whether or not it SHOULD be played.I really don't care much about Georgia/Georgia Tech, but with old man ties to two old Big 8 rivals, I've always been interested in Bedlam
I'm a traditionalist and for me, regional rivalries are one of the best parts of college football.
But it's also not my place to tell fans of other teams what games they should care about.
CD just expressed, once again, that he doesn't care about the UGA-GaTech rivalry. To me, it's one of those longstanding traditional rivalries that make college football great, but if the fans of the actual teams playing no longer care about them, then we're sort of missing the point, anyway.
yes, but we're not talkin bout UTT-Bone be dead.
we're talkin bout OSU, I'd guess OSU needs the money (athletic and academic) and the game vs the Sooners more than just a little bit.
Well, unless T-Bone is still donating at a high level.
Coaches don't like to schedule a loss, but they don't always get to set their schedule.
Why would you schedule an FCS school rather than a home-and-home with some other P5 that is similarly-tiered to Oklahoma State? Tons of mid-tier teams in the PAC, B1G, and ACC to schedule, that aren't FCS or even G5.I don't think Thumper was proposing an either-or situation there.
Tech has three wins since 2000, all close and controversial. UGA is a 35 point favorite this time around.I'd imagine we'll have to cancel it. I hope we get to see y'all some in SEC play, I was really looking forward to that home and home.
To me, it's just boring.
I wonder what will happen to the UGA series with Texas and OU.
I think it was 1975, the Dawgs were 9-1 and about to play Tech, heavily favored, and their Qb Ray Goff (and later HC) said he didn't think of Tech as a rival any more.I was in attendance when the Sooners played that Pitt running back in that same year.
The Dawgs barely pulled out a 13-10 win. They were later clobbered by Pitt with some running back I forget his name.
Oklahoma State is not much challenge to OU. And yet old codgers like Fearless still want to force the Sooners to play it.I will not tempt the ECFGs by agreeing with you about OSU.
Yeah, I was kind of looking forward to those years where the Dawgs have scheduled Ohio State, Texas, Clemson, OU, and of course Tech, in 2031 they had both Oklahoma and Ohio State on the slate.I'm like utee on this. I was looking forward to the home-and-home with the Dawgs.
Oklahoma State is not much challenge to OU. And yet old codgers like Fearless still want to force the Sooners to play it.Okie State wasn't much of a challenge to Nebraska in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, but there is some familiarity
Okie State wasn't much of a challenge to Nebraska in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, but there is some familiarityYes, familiarity--let's call it "tradition"--matters.
I was in attendance when the Sooners played that Pitt running back in that same year.Some of my favorite memories in that game. Keith Jackson called it and just kept drooling over the size of the Pitt OL "the biggest I've ever seen". Then they put up the OU OL on the screen and they averaged 1-2 lbs more. Keith ignored that.
This was one of the highlights.
https://youtu.be/54EV42w4_t0
(https://youtu.be/54EV42w4_t0)I imagine that hit would not be allowed today. It wasn't smart even then. A form tackle would have been better.
Pitt rushed for 79 yards, and I think that said running back got about 25 of them.
Oklahoma State athletic director Chad Weiberg said the Cowboys athletic department hopes to continue the Bedlam rivalry with Oklahoma in all sports except football once the Sooners exit the Big 12 for the SEC. Weiberg, at the Sports Business Journal Intercollegiate Athletics Forum in Las Vegas, said Thursday that there are "unanswered questions" from a logistical standpoint that need to be clarified should the in-state foes be able to continue their series on the football field.I'm starting to think that it might really be 2025 before the move takes place.
“I’m not saying we would never play them, but logistics need to be worked out," Weiberg said, per Brett McMurphy. "There are a lot of unanswered questions."
Oklahoma, along with Texas, is on track to join the SEC in time for the 2025 season, meaning the series' future beyond Fall 2024 is in jeopardy as it stands.
I'm starting to think that it might really be 2025 before the move takes place.Do you really think that the athletics departments can afford to allow our programs to sit around as lame ducks and get every bad call the refs want to throw our way, for three more years?
Im sure theres a lot of legal positioning going on
Do you really think that the athletics departments can afford to allow our programs to sit around as lame ducks and get every bad call the refs want to throw our way, for three more years?What do you know about the "18-months notification for early departure" requirement, and about the Big 12 saying that said notification has not been given?
Never gonna happen. I still think it'll be Fall 2022, but at the very latest, it'll be 2023.
What do you know about the "18-months notification for early departure" requirement, and about the Big 12 saying that said notification has not been given?It's all just a negotiation, same as everything else. Not sure why anyone thinks these contracts are any different than the previous ones.
Is that all a non-factor?
If it's a significant factor, it seems like 2023 would be the earliest we would leave.
Fox wants their content
Fox doesn't like the SEC
this is why the B12/FOX doesn't want to allow Texas to leave a year earlyThe B12 doesn't need any additional pressure from Fox to want to keep Texas and OU around. But it's not going to happen. So this is where the attorneys come in.
the Big 12 is bound by their contract with FOX to provide Texas/OU content.
it's going to get watered down soon enough, they just try to hang on to it as long as possible
Add to all that great information the fact that suing a state entity (kinda disingenuous to think of the Texas Athletic Dept as part of the State of Texas, but it is) is dicey at best, and there's lots of reasons to settle.Exactly. State entities have sovereign immunity and it's possible that Texas and OU could exit with ZERO penalties if they chose to invoke it.
Our old friend "Pirate's Roost" laughed at the "Grant of Rights" agreement when it debuted. He was correct in every sense.
My guess is it's more about giving the parties time to reset their future schedules than anything.
But again, in reality, it won't come to that. Money, settlement, move on. It's amusing to me that fans of schools that already left the B12 with no muss no fuss, seem to think different standards should be applied to Texas or OU.yes, we all know how it has worked in the past with no reason to doubt it will be very similar for the 2nd verse
Second verse, same as the first.
yes, we all know how it has worked in the past with no reason to doubt it will be very similar for the 2nd verse
but, there was and will be some mussing and fussing
this is only a bit different in the severity that it will damage the B12 - perhaps ending it as we know it
I have a different expectation of what will happen to the Big 12's ratings once the exit occurs, but have no special knowledge. I'll wait and see like everyone else.I'm not saying the ratings won't drop, because of course they will.
The Big 12 has certainly held itself out with the representation that they fixed the problem already.
Riley has to save USC or the Pac 12 is trashed. OU kept the Big 12 pulse alive as long as it could (as Texas became less and less of a help). Someone in the new Big 12 has to be nationally interesting, and I'm not sure oSu or ISU can make that happen - particularly since they seem to be function of the current coaching staves, and both are long in the tooth.BYU just went 5-0 against the PAC including beating both USC and the PAC champ. National relevance is relative. They're already more interesting than the entire PAC, and they're really only the 3rd best team in the New B12. I'm not trying to exaggerate or be obtuse when I say, I believe they're gonna be okay.
I never really know how a new coach will fare (duh). Kelly at LSU? Riley? I thought the new Texas coach would have them up and running reasonably well by now.I mean, he's only had the one season. I'm not sure what expectations should have been for Year One.
Fickell has done a remarkable job at UC. Huepel has Tennessee with a pulse.
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.This is why I was desperately hoping the staff could find some solutions in the portal. I'm not sure anyone's willing to wait another 2-3 years for Sark to develop an oline from scratch. Not after that embarrassing 5-7 start.
I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.Both our 5 star recruits are Off linemen so at least we are trying to correct the problem
I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.
Both our 5 star recruits are Off linemen so at least we are trying to correct the problemThey're definitely trying to fix the problem, which is a step in the right direction. Now they need to focus on development and retention, which is something the previous three coaching staffs have failed miserably at for the past 15 years. We haven't had a good offensive line since 2006. We haven't had even an average offensive line since 2008. That's a lot of failure over a long period of time.
The did beat UGA with a bad OL apparently. UGA usually has a good DL.well if Uga would have left Bevo alone ......
The did beat UGA with a bad OL apparently. UGA usually has a good DL.Yes, Texas beat Georgia with a bad o-line and a very good college QB with one good receiver.
Texas recruited a premiere OL class. However, it's not realistic to expect any of them to help at the trouble spots next season.And that's our big problem.
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.How many 4-star and 5-star trench ponies were signed, vs. retained?
I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.
How many 4-star and 5-star trench ponies were signed, vs. retained?
It seems like Texas always recruits well. At least per the recruiting rankings.
There was an article in OU-centric media about OU's recruiting classes dating back to 2010. Nearly every year, OU had the #2 class in the Big 12. I imagine that Texas was #1 in those years.