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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Thumper on November 08, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
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Welp, it is Championship November and we have a full slate of B12 games.
OU (-5.5) v Baylor. Crucial game to the CCG. Baylor is still alive if they win and OU takes a big hit. Ex-OU QB Chandler Morris lit up Baylor's normally stout defense for over 400 yards last week. I'll take the Sooners here but I'm sweating it.
KSU(-6) v WVU. Stats for these teams are very similar but KSU is 6-4, WVU is 4-5. I'll take KSU but it wouldn't surprise me if WVU stands up and takes this.
TT v ISU(-10.5). Tech is a double digit home dog, something I've been told is a dangerous thing. They could put a big hickey on ISU's CCG chances. I'll still pick the BiaBs.
UT(-30.5) v KU. Can KU do the unthinkable again??? Nah. Don't think the Horns will cover but do think they will win.
OSU(-13) v TCU. Can TCU pull another upset? Don't think so. Cowboys win.
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Welp, it is Championship November and we have a full slate of B12 games.
OU (-5.5) v Baylor. Crucial game to the CCG. Baylor is still alive if they win and OU takes a big hit. Ex-OU QB Chandler Morris lit up Baylor's normally stout defense for over 400 yards last week. I'll take the Sooners here but I'm sweating it.
KSU(-6) v WVU. Stats for these teams are very similar but KSU is 6-4, WVU is 4-5. I'll take KSU but it wouldn't surprise me if WVU stands up and takes this.
TT v ISU(-10.5). Tech is a double digit home dog, something I've been told is a dangerous thing. They could put a big hickey on ISU's CCG chances. I'll still pick the BiaBs.
UT(-30.5) v KU. Can KU do the unthinkable again??? Nah. Don't think the Horns will cover but do think they will win.
OSU(-13) v TCU. Can TCU pull another upset? Don't think so. Cowboys win.
Sooners cover.
Cats win.
Birds win.
Horns win.
Pokes win.
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Thumper: Speaking of "Championship November," you remember the stupefying circumstances of the last OU loss in November?
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I had to look it up. I see Baylor beat us 42-14. I don't remember the circumstances much. Since Covid, my memory is pretty hit or miss.
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I asked a bad question. I thought it was the FoSu game in which Bob chose to take the 5-yard penalty and re-punt to Tarik Hill, who proceeded to run the football back 90-some yards for a TD. But that game was actually in December.
In the Baylor game, which was in November, the Sooners led 14-3 after one quarter but got outscored 45-0 the rest of the way.
That year might have seen Bob's worst coaching job.
Along with the two losses mentioned above, he had lost to TCU and Kansas State earlier, and he finished with a blowout loss to Clemson in the Russell Athletic Bowl.
What was so disappointing about all that went wrong that season was that the Sooners were coming off their impressive victory over Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.
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Yep. That season was the end of Josh Heuple as OC but not for Mike Stoops as DC. They both should have been gone.
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Yep. That season was the end of Josh Heuple as OC but not for Mike Stoops as DC. They both should have been gone.
Mikey was the gift that kept on giving.
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Well, that was ugly.
But it's a loss that's been waiting to happen since the first game of the season.
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I forgot that Mr. Tulip is a Baylor fan.
Congrats to you and your Bears, MT. That is a good team and Dave Aranda can definitely coach football.
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Well, that was ugly.
But it's a loss that's been waiting to happen since the first game of the season.
True dat. The defense played hard but the offense was sleepwalking again. I don't have any idea what would wake this team up.
Texas just lost to the Jayhawks in OT. Texas scored first in OT, Hawks scored and made a 2 pt conversion for the win.
Tech beat ISU on a 61 yard (!!!) walk off FG. ISU is out of the championship.
KSU beats WVU as expected.
OSU thumped TCU.
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True dat. The defense played hard but the offense was sleepwalking again. I don't have any idea what would wake this team up.
Texas just lost to the Jayhawks in OT. Texas scored first in OT, Hawks scored and made a 2 pt conversion for the win.
Tech beat ISU on a 61 yard (!!!) walk off FG. ISU is out of the championship.
KSU beats WVU as expected.
OSU thumped TCU.
When you can run the ball and stop the opponent from running the ball, victory will usually follow.
When you can't do either, defeat will usually follow. And it certainly did today.
Lincoln Riley seems to forget at times that the running game is a vital component of the offense. Seems like he forgot about it while game-planning for Baylor.
Better that this team not make the CFP. It would probably repeat the 2019 CFP experience with a blowout loss. Maybe this team will earn that long-awaited invitation to the Alamo Bowl.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Zsj231r.jpg)
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apparently, the locker room pep talk last week didn't work
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I have never seen a UT defense as bad as this one
it hurts me to watch
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Yup. This defense is so sugary soft and spineless, it's bewildering.
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I have not watched them play much but I suspect that most of them have pretty much quit on the team. Maybe not fully quit, but nonetheless they are not playing at the level they should. This happened to A&M under Fran in 2003.
Sometimes the culture change is just too abrupt. I suspect that Sark brought an SEC style attitude in and it wasn’t received well.
Sometimes it can just be players reacting poorly to the schemes and not able to adapt to new philosophy.
I think it’s a very bad sign to start out this badly and then a double whammy next year starting sec play. Depending on the schedule it’s possible next year may be worse. But you never know, they could win the SEC in year 1 a la 1996, but I doubt it. Crazier things have happened.
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I doubt Sark brought in an "SEC style attitide" whatever that is. He spent two years at Alabama, and many more than that on the West Coast.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-QxhxWTUkY&t=3s
Turn on CC and wait until the end.
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Yeah, that's a good one!
I don't think that the young lady behind the desk is from SEC country. If she is, she does a great Yankee accent!
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I doubt Sark brought in an "SEC style attitide" whatever that is. He spent two years at Alabama, and many more than that on the West Coast.
So I guess then he didn’t learn anything from coaching there? Where did the assistant coaches come from? It doesn’t matter much the reasons anyways. A losing season is a hard thing to overcome on the recruiting trail.
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So I guess then he didn’t learn anything from coaching there? Where did the assistant coaches come from? It doesn’t matter much the reasons anyways. A losing season is a hard thing to overcome on the recruiting trail.
Despite a terrible o-line, the offense is scoring more than enough points to win most games. Only Arkansas and ISU included offensive failures.
The defense is abysmal. The DC is from the PAC. Make of that what you will.
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The Big 12 on Wednesday issued a public reprimand of the Texas Tech football radio announcers for their call of Saturday's 41-38 home win over Iowa State.
Play-by-play host Brian Jensen and analyst John Harris were critical of the officials during the game, going so far as to list off individual names.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32657328/big-12-publicly-reprimands-texas-tech-football-radio-announcers-removed-calling-next-game (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32657328/big-12-publicly-reprimands-texas-tech-football-radio-announcers-removed-calling-next-game)
so, Big 12 officials are just as bad as the Big 10 and SEC crews?
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B12 officials are much worse than the SEC crews I've watched. I don't really watch much B1G football so can't comment.
The only thing I've noticed about SEC crews, is that they tend to favor the higher rated team especially when it's a traditional power. But, they've no doubt been instructed by the league office to do so, so I don't really hold it against their job performance. If anything, they're QUITE good at doing precisely what the league tells them to do.
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The Big 12 on Wednesday issued a public reprimand of the Texas Tech football radio announcers for their call of Saturday's 41-38 home win over Iowa State.
Play-by-play host Brian Jensen and analyst John Harris were critical of the officials during the game, going so far as to list off individual names.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32657328/big-12-publicly-reprimands-texas-tech-football-radio-announcers-removed-calling-next-game (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32657328/big-12-publicly-reprimands-texas-tech-football-radio-announcers-removed-calling-next-game)
so, Big 12 officials are just as bad as the Big 10 and SEC crews?
I also think it's weird that this is being highlighted as an issue.
The names of the refs of every single crew are always on the official conference box score of every game, they are usually mentioned at the beginning of any radio broadcast, along with a personal blurb about their history as a ref, and their names are often repeated throughout a radio broadcast. Also, their names are sometimes announced at the beginning and/or end of a television broadcast, as well.
That someone is bringing this up as an "issue" makes me believe the B12 office is flailing around trying to trump up support for a problem of their own making.
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as long as addresses and phone numbers aren't given, I don't see the problem
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as long as addresses and phone numbers aren't given, I don't see the problem
Agree.
If the Tech announcers did that, then throw the book at them. But as far as I know, that didn't happen.
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Doxxing refs on air?
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Doxxing refs on air?
I haven't heard that it happened. Just said their names, which is all publicly available anyway and reported out by the conference for each and every game in print and on air.
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After officials overturned an apparent interception on the goal line by Red Raiders defensive back Dadrion Taylor-Demerson with 7:25 left in the fourth quarter, the Texas Tech announcers were apoplectic.
"I'll say it right now, the Big 12 does not want Iowa State to lose this game," Harris said.
"Yeah, Bob Bowlsby, you need to answer to this," Jensen added. "This is ridiculous. The inconsistency of this referee crew in favor of Iowa State. Unbelievable."
Texas Tech students began throwing trash on the field after the interception was overturned. The officials gave an unsportsmanlike conduct call to the Red Raiders, and the students were ordered to vacate two sections and leave the stadium.
Jensen declared he had never seen anything like this officiating performance.
"The Big 12 should be embarrassed," he said. "The Big 12 should be embarrassed with this group. We've only pointed out two guys. I'm gonna read 'em all to you."
Jensen then proceeded to name on air every member of the crew.
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After officials overturned an apparent interception on the goal line by Red Raiders defensive back Dadrion Taylor-Demerson with 7:25 left in the fourth quarter, the Texas Tech announcers were apoplectic.
"I'll say it right now, the Big 12 does not want Iowa State to lose this game," Harris said.
"Yeah, Bob Bowlsby, you need to answer to this," Jensen added. "This is ridiculous. The inconsistency of this referee crew in favor of Iowa State. Unbelievable."
Texas Tech students began throwing trash on the field after the interception was overturned. The officials gave an unsportsmanlike conduct call to the Red Raiders, and the students were ordered to vacate two sections and leave the stadium.
Jensen declared he had never seen anything like this officiating performance.
"The Big 12 should be embarrassed," he said. "The Big 12 should be embarrassed with this group. We've only pointed out two guys. I'm gonna read 'em all to you."
Jensen then proceeded to name on air every member of the crew.
Cool.
The exact same information can be found on the B12 website, on the Texas Tech website, and on the ISU website, in the box score sections.
Also, at the beginning of every single Longhorn radio broadcast I've ever listened to, in all of my nearly-50 years, the broadcast crew describes the weather, the field conditions, the color of uniforms each team is wearing, and then names every referee that will be an official for that day's game.
Maybe other schools' broadcasters don't do that?
Sure seems like much ado about nothing.
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the bolded part where he specifically calls out Bowlsby is what this is about
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the bolded part where he specifically calls out Bowlsby is what this is about
That dude sucks.
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Cool.
The exact same information can be found on the B12 website, on the Texas Tech website, and on the ISU website, in the box score sections.
Also, at the beginning of every single Longhorn radio broadcast I've ever listened to, in all of my nearly-50 years, the broadcast crew describes the weather, the field conditions, the color of uniforms each team is wearing, and then names every referee that will be an official for that day's game.
Maybe other schools' broadcasters don't do that?
Sure seems like much ado about nothing.
The d-bags who threaten to kill whomever does something they don't like--along with family members--may or may not pay attention to any of that. But they sure pay attention after the Tech broadcast crew has called the officials crooked cheaters.
We've got this sort of crap going on all over the country, often motivated by political theater from both ends of the spectrum. It would be a good thing if CFB broadcast crews could restrain themselves.
But asking for reasonable restraint from anyone or anything from Texas Tech is like wishing for world peace and plenty of maps for the poor Iraqians.
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The d-bags who threaten to kill whomever does something they don't like--along with family members--may or may not pay attention to any of that. But they sure pay attention after the Tech broadcast crew has called the officials crooked cheaters.
We've got this sort of crap going on all over the country, often motivated by political theater from both ends of the spectrum. It would be a good thing if CFB broadcast crews could restrain themselves.
But asking for reasonable restraint from anyone or anything from Texas Tech is like wishing for world peace and plenty of maps for the poor Iraqians.
I've never noticed Tech fans to be any different than OU fans or Texas fans in any of this.
You do know what the word "fan" is short for, right?
As for your first paragraph? Eh. I think you're being melodramatic.
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I've never noticed Tech fans to be any different than OU fans or Texas fans in any of this.
You do know what the word "fan" is short for, right?
As for your first paragraph? Eh. I think you're being melodramatic.
I know what "fan" stands for. Doesn't mean that everyone who is a fan is a fanatic. It's just where the term originated.
Do Texas fans throw batteries at the opposing team? OU fans don't, as far as I'm aware.
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Decaying batteries are bad for the environment. Blue Austinites wouldn't dare ponder the notion.
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are these announcers paid by the Big 12
if so then they probably fall under the same rules as coaches
if not then its much ado about nothin
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are these announcers paid by the Big 12
if so then they probably fall under the same rules as coaches
if not then its much ado about nothin
No, they're the Texas Tech radio broadcast crew. They're paid by Texas Tech.
But, coaches aren't paid by the B12, and still fall under B12 rules with respect to these things.
Regardless, B12 league management sucks. Film at 11.
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No, they're the Texas Tech radio broadcast crew. They're paid by Texas Tech.
But, coaches aren't paid by the B12, and still fall under B12 rules with respect to these things.
Regardless, B12 league management sucks. Film at 11.
the question still remains if they are paid by a Big 12 member school then by extension are they subject to the same restriction as coaches
Im not saying they did anything wrong but what they did may have violated Big 12 rules
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I'd say the announcers crossed the line. Try to be professional, regardless of your personal feelings or how much your listeners might eat it up.
they're paid by the TT athletic dept just like the Tech coaching staff. You call out the commish by name, you might feel his wrath.
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with 7:25 left in the fourth quarter, the Texas Tech announcers were apoplectic.
"I'll say it right now, the Big 12 does not want Iowa State to lose this game," Harris said.
"Yeah, Bob Bowlsby, you need to answer to this," Jensen added. "This is ridiculous. The inconsistency of this referee crew in favor of Iowa State. Unbelievable."
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Eh. It's whiny and petulant. But so is Bowlsby.
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oh, I'm not saying they are wrong. I've had suspicions in the past regarding the Big 12 conference office and officiating crews....
they are probably justified in their comments and Bowlsby has this and more coming
I'm just saying, they should expect the reaction they received
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oh, I'm not saying they are wrong. I've had suspicions in the past regarding the Big 12 conference office and officiating crews....
they are probably justified in their comments and Bowlsby has this and more coming
I'm just saying, they should expect the reaction they received
I'm not sure they should have expected a suspension. Some kind of public call-out for "misbehavior" I guess is warranted, but also seems kind of petty and silly.
I mean, Bowlsby makes millions of dollars. Does it really hurt his feelings so badly to be called out by a local Lubbock radio crew?
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well, Bowlsby is a big ol douche bag, so yes, it hurts his feelings
hope he doesn't read this post
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now you've gone and done it.
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just a little Friday morning pot stirring
bring it Bowlsby!!!
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wondering what Oklahoma announcers have to say about that fumble out of bounds on the incomplete pass at the one yard line for the Cyclones
23 straight games with a rushing TD for Breece Hall
NCAA record
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wondering what Oklahoma announcers have to say about that fumble out of bounds on the incomplete pass at the one yard line for the Cyclones
23 straight games with a rushing TD for Breece Hall
NCAA record
They were back and forth trying to guess what the ruling was going to be. They didn't really question the ruling when it was finally announced.
This really should go on the Week 12 thread, but who's counting?
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I figured it was related to the Tech announcers last week
not a big deal really
nice win for the Sooners
not so good for Sark
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Ah! I get it.
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didn't matter, not a big deal
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The crowd at Texas Tech Saturday distinguished itself, as it so often does.
They fired cans of beer and at least one bottle of whiskey out on the field as their teams was getting shut out by Oklahoma State.
Ended up getting a 15-yard penalty imposed on Tech.
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They must have forgotten their tortillas and had to improvise.