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Title: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 03:59:57 PM
in a surprise to no one, All-World safety Derwin James of Florida State has declared for the NFL Draft and will skip the bowl.

He'll be one of the first safeties taken if not the first safety taken and a top 15 pick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on December 08, 2017, 09:19:56 PM
Someone pointed out, I hadn't thought of it, but MSUs streak of being one of the few (I think it's four?) schools to have a player drafted every year of the common draft era is in real doubt if LJ Scott returns.  Probably only Brian Allen has a shot.  Only a couple seniors started.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2017, 12:36:47 AM
Suspended and oft-troubled yet talented WR Antonio Callaway has hired an agent.  I guess he's hoping someone will take a flyer on him in the last round?

His agent is former Miami RB Melvin Bratton.  Who better, than one of the ring-leaders of the bad-boy late 80s Canes teams to rep for him.  Ick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 09, 2017, 08:28:59 AM
James already had one knee repaired .Don't know where he goes in the draft but I can't blame him for bailing.His Head Coach did
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 09, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
James already had one knee repaired .Don't know where he goes in the draft but I can't blame him for bailing.His Head Coach did
every reputable mock draft I've seen have him solidly in the top 15, some even in the top 5. He's a 1st round pick period. He should skip the bowl, he's already had one knee repaired like you said.
DT Mo Hurst Jr of Michigan likely to skip the bowl game. Don't blame him either. He's a 1st round pick. Why risk it?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2017, 10:54:24 AM
Suspended and oft-troubled yet talented WR Antonio Callaway has hired an agent.  I guess he's hoping someone will take a flyer on him in the last round?

His agent is former Miami RB Melvin Bratton.  Who better, than one of the ring-leaders of the bad-boy late 80s Canes teams to rep for him.  Ick.
I'd absolutely take a flyer on Callaway.
More troubled and barely having played DT Craig Evans may also declare.
He flipped from UW to MSU, got himself suspended Freshman year and redshirted.  Was very good as a RS frosh.  Failed a drug test prior to the CFP, and was suspended 6 games by the NCAA.  That was the final straw for Dantonio though, and kicked him off the team.
Transferred to Oregon State, but got himself in further academic trouble, and was never eligible to play.
Sounds like he's academically finally ok, but he still hasn't served that 6 game NCAA suspension that was supposed to be the first half of 2016.  So he can come back to Oregon State for his 5th year, but sit out the first half.  Transfer down to NAIA where the suspension won't carry over.  Or declare for the draft, based on one solid year as a reserve in the rotation in 2015.

This is where college football fails kids.  There are plenty of kids who have no business in school, but do just enough to get through, or they go to UNC.  But this kid, who had NFL talent, will likely never get there because he couldn't navigate a faux minor league system with academic requirements, with no feasible alternative.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 09, 2017, 01:45:41 PM
I'd absolutely take a flyer on Callaway.
More troubled and barely having played DT Craig Evans may also declare.
He flipped from UW to MSU, got himself suspended Freshman year and redshirted.  Was very good as a RS frosh.  Failed a drug test prior to the CFP, and was suspended 6 games by the NCAA.  That was the final straw for Dantonio though, and kicked him off the team.
Transferred to Oregon State, but got himself in further academic trouble, and was never eligible to play.
Sounds like he's academically finally ok, but he still hasn't served that 6 game NCAA suspension that was supposed to be the first half of 2016.  So he can come back to Oregon State for his 5th year, but sit out the first half.  Transfer down to NAIA where the suspension won't carry over.  Or declare for the draft, based on one solid year as a reserve in the rotation in 2015.

This is where college football fails kids.  There are plenty of kids who have no business in school, but do just enough to get through, or they go to UNC.  But this kid, who had NFL talent, will likely never get there because he couldn't navigate a faux minor league system with academic requirements, with no feasible alternative.
should have went to the CFL. 
If I am a kid out of high school like that, who has terrible grades and can't function in the class room, I am going to the CFL. 3-4 years in the CFL and some production and he just might've been drafted or signed as a free agent by a team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
Here's the thing.  If you want to stay eligible, the school can make that work out.  Mario Manningham literally could not read.  But he still took his eligibility seriously, and was able to stay there.  Evans never appeared to give a shit...about anything.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 13, 2017, 10:17:17 AM
As expected, UW Jack Cichy has announced that he will enter the draft. He did not play at all this past season (and only played in 7 games last season) and decided to not pursue a medical redshirt. It was highly unlikely that it would be granted anyway, given that he already took a regular redshirt.

Probably was looking at being in the first round had he played this season. Now it's probably gonna be more like round 5-6, if even that. He's missed a lot of football.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 13, 2017, 10:29:34 AM
James already had one knee repaired .Don't know where he goes in the draft but I can't blame him for bailing.His Head Coach did
james and minkah should be the top 2 s taken, both likely top 15. minkah has slightly better cover skills, while james has more down hill tackling ability. both are more than adequate in the other though. james is one of my favorite non-bama players this year and hate to see his college career end.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 14, 2017, 11:21:32 PM
if season ended today Browns would have the #1 and #6 picks in the 1st round.

I think the ideal scenario there would be for them to take Josh Rosen #1 overall and hope to god that Saquan Barkley fell into their lap at #6.

They are the two best NFL prospects in this draft imo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on December 15, 2017, 08:30:07 AM
if season ended today Browns would have the #1 and #6 picks in the 1st round.

I think the ideal scenario there would be for them to take Josh Rosen #1 overall and hope to GOD that Saquan Barkley fell into their lap at #6.

They are the two best NFL prospects in this draft imo.
Barkley won't be there unless he has a poor combine.  I think they take Minkah with the 2nd pick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 16, 2017, 12:49:05 PM
Barkley won't be there unless he has a poor combine.  I think they take Minkah with the 2nd pick.
knowing the Browns they'll probably trade both picks back lol.
I think they need to hold firm where they are at and just take the best player available.
The Giants have the #2 pick and they are probably taking Darnold or Rosen, whichever one the Browns don't take. A QB is obviously where they are going.

Colts have the #3 pick, they could go RB and snatch Barkley up, but their biggest need on that team is by far the OL. They've never given Luck a top tier LT or offensive line and that's why he's gotten his brains beaten in every year he's been in the NFL and why he missed this entire year. If they don't take an OL or trade down and take an OL they are crazy.

49ers have the #4 pick and I could definitely see them going after Barkley to pair him up with Jimmy Garoppolo. I think that's his most likely landing spot, but Lynch is a defensive guy and they could go defense at that pick. Wouldn't be shocked at all if they went after a pass rusher and went with Arden Key of LSU or Bradley Chubb from NC State.

Broncos need a QB desperately. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns trade back here. Browns trade back to #5 and Broncos trade up to #1, Broncos take Rosen and Browns get another 1st round pick in the next years draft. Might be what is likely to happen, since the Browns have passed on just about every QB worth a 1st round pick the last few years.


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 17, 2017, 12:45:58 PM
For UW so far, in addition to Cichy:

RS Sophomore RT David Edwards has not filed and is staying in school.

Junior C/G Michael Dieter and RS Junior G Beau Benzschawel have filed inquiries.

No word on RS Junior ILB TJ Edwards yet, but he looks ready for the NFL to me.

I'd love it if all of these kids came back, but it's doubtful, particularly for the last one.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 17, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
I think the only guys who could declare that played on Michigan's entire team are RB Karran Higdon and DE Chase Winovich.

My guess is Higdon is a virtual lock to come back, don't think he's a serious NFL prospect. Just doesn't have the size.

Winovich is interesting though. I think that one is 50/50 toss up. I could see him going but I think with another year of starting and another 10-15 pounds on that frame he could catapult himself up the draft boards in the 2019 draft. Chase only been a starter for 1 year (2017) and he is a bit on the smaller side for a 4-3 DE.

I really do hope Chase returns. That defense could be filthy next year if he comes back and the young defensive linemen continue to develop. They only lose McCray and Hurst on that entire two deep.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 18, 2017, 07:55:54 AM
UW RS Junior CB Nick Nelson has also filed. He's probably as good as gone now. I wish he'd stay and work on his tackling, or even actually start trying to tackle... He's a great cover guy though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 18, 2017, 01:52:33 PM
knowing the Browns they'll probably trade both picks back lol.
I think they need to hold firm where they are at and just take the best player available.
The Giants have the #2 pick and they are probably taking Darnold or Rosen, whichever one the Browns don't take. A QB is obviously where they are going.

Colts have the #3 pick, they could go RB and snatch Barkley up, but their biggest need on that team is by far the OL. They've never given Luck a top tier LT or offensive line and that's why he's gotten his brains beaten in every year he's been in the NFL and why he missed this entire year. If they don't take an OL or trade down and take an OL they are crazy.

49ers have the #4 pick and I could definitely see them going after Barkley to pair him up with Jimmy Garoppolo. I think that's his most likely landing spot, but Lynch is a defensive guy and they could go defense at that pick. Wouldn't be shocked at all if they went after a pass rusher and went with Arden Key of LSU or Bradley Chubb from NC State.

Broncos need a QB desperately. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns trade back here. Browns trade back to #5 and Broncos trade up to #1, Broncos take Rosen and Browns get another 1st round pick in the next years draft. Might be what is likely to happen, since the Browns have passed on just about every QB worth a 1st round pick the last few years.



barkley is one of my favorite cfb players right now and is top rb in draft, but i still wouldn't take a rb in the top 15, especially this year. tons of good rb's coming out.
barkley
chubb and michel
love
kerryon johnson
guice
harris and scarborrough
ron jones jr
royce freeman
weber
and more. if i'm early in draft, unless i picked it up from someone else in a trade or something, i got bigger needs than a rb. i'm hitting ol/dl which is likely where the bigger issue is.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
Barkley was shut down in multiple games this year, although he has value as a pass-catcher.  Is he really that highly thought of?  

He had a bad game vs. OSU, okay, that's fine.  But IU and Rutgers?  Was he hurt?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 18, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
he's projected top 5-10 in most mock drafts and pretty much concensus #1 rb. still a long way out, though, and mock drafts are, uh, less than precise at times.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 18, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
Barkley will test through the roof. He's really 5'10 and 230 pounds, and he will run very well and lift lotta reps of 225. He's a lot like Reggie Bush but not a p&@y and made of glass like Reggie Bush was. The guy will be what Reggie Bush should have been. Bush never ran with power and he didn't have that lower body build to rip through arm tackles like Barkley has. Barkley's legs, thighs, and calf muscles look like Barry Sanders or something. It's not normal.

The two best RB's on planet earth right now are Zeke Elliot and Le'Veon Bell. Watched a lot of those guys in college. And I have to say, I think Saquon Barkley is more talented, more physically gifted, more complete than both of them.

Wouldn't look too much into him "getting shut down". Penn State's OL in all honestly wasn't that great. He wasn't running behind an All-World offensive line this year. The dude is very Barry Sanders like in a way in that he does A LOT on his own.

I'll be floored if he's not a top 10 pick. Best RB prospect that I have seen in a long, long time. He can do it all. Blocking, catching, returning, runs pass routes like a receiver. He is an enormous, enormous talent.


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 18, 2017, 07:16:56 PM
the only reason Barkley wouldn't go in the top 10 is because the NFL just doesn't value stud RBs like they used to or should
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 19, 2017, 09:46:23 AM
the only reason Barkley wouldn't go in the top 10 is because the NFL just doesn't value stud RBs like they used to or should
this draft seems to be heavy on good rb's and qb's.
20+ years ago, barkley might be #1 overall. right now, though, he's definitely #1 rb, but imo there are so many good rb's i'll take someone at a more valuable position and pick up another really good rb later down the board. jmo. bu if you've got a good oline and dline, and a starting qb and lockdown corner, yes barkley is best option.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 19, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
Wonder if Purdue will continue its streak of having a player drafted. We're at 20 straight years now, which is somewhat amazing after the poor recruiting and poor on-field performance under both the Hope and Hazell squads.  

I'm thinking Ja'Whaun Bentley is our biggest opportunity to extend. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 19, 2017, 01:30:31 PM
this draft seems to be heavy on good rb's and qb's.
20+ years ago, barkley might be #1 overall. right now, though, he's definitely #1 rb, but imo there are so many good rb's i'll take someone at a more valuable position and pick up another really good rb later down the board. jmo. bu if you've got a good oline and dline, and a starting qb and lockdown corner, yes barkley is best option.
Dallas took Zeke with the 4th pick couple years ago, Jags took Fournette with the #4 pick and their QB sucks. Panthers took McCaffrey with the 8th pick. Rams took Gurley-who imo is #3 RB in football right now behind Zeke and Bell- with the 9th pick overall few years back.

I think teams will take RB's high if they deem the RB to be special enough. The days of picking a RB high just because you need one are over. But if the guy is really, really, really good they'll take him.
I'm thinking 49ers will snatch him up. Jimmy G is looking gooooood man. That team struggled to get first downs with the other QB's. Not exactly like that team has a plethora of weapons around him. Jimmy G has just been making it work. He's QB'ed them to 3 straight wins as the starter and threw for back to back 300 yard games. First time a San Fransisco 49ers QB has thrown for back to back 300 yard games since Jeff Garcia in 2001.
Barkley is just so special in the passing game, and the game has shifted so much to the pass and is geared so much toward the passing game, that a RB who can virtually be another WR like Barkley can- is worth every single penny and then some.
Give Jimmy G a weapon like Barkley, and you might really see that guy take off into the stratosphere. He seems like the first New England back-up to have it all. Hoyer had the mental side and leadership but none of the talent. Mallett had all of the talent but none of the other stuff. Garroppolo seemingly has it all. Can definitely see why New England didn't want to trade him until they were forced too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 19, 2017, 11:59:16 PM
Florida's kicker is leaving early apparently....so that's fun.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 20, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Dallas took Zeke with the 4th pick couple years ago, Jags took Fournette with the #4 pick and their QB sucks. Panthers took McCaffrey with the 8th pick. Rams took Gurley-who imo is #3 RB in football right now behind Zeke and Bell- with the 9th pick overall few years back.

I think teams will take RB's high if they deem the RB to be special enough. The days of picking a RB high just because you need one are over. But if the guy is really, really, really good they'll take him.
I'm thinking 49ers will snatch him up. Jimmy G is looking gooooood man. That team struggled to get first downs with the other QB's. Not exactly like that team has a plethora of weapons around him. Jimmy G has just been making it work. He's QB'ed them to 3 straight wins as the starter and threw for back to back 300 yard games. First time a San Fransisco 49ers QB has thrown for back to back 300 yard games since Jeff Garcia in 2001.
Barkley is just so special in the passing game, and the game has shifted so much to the pass and is geared so much toward the passing game, that a RB who can virtually be another WR like Barkley can- is worth every single penny and then some.
Give Jimmy G a weapon like Barkley, and you might really see that guy take off into the stratosphere. He seems like the first New England back-up to have it all. Hoyer had the mental side and leadership but none of the talent. Mallett had all of the talent but none of the other stuff. Garroppolo seemingly has it all. Can definitely see why New England didn't want to trade him until they were forced too.
dallas had a great oline and good d as well, plus thought they had their qb (but ended up with their qb in the draft as well). jags also, surprisingly, had a solid oline and top 5 d before drafting fournette. and drafted their qb (not good one, imo but they liked him) a couple years earlier.
those are the exceptions to my rule. rams might fit that mold this year too, though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 20, 2017, 11:25:58 AM
Florida's kicker is leaving early apparently....so that's fun.
A kicker? Wow... There's gotta be a story there. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 21, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
Very poor, hispanic family  - it's a money thing.  He just led the NCAA in FG% and didn't miss from 50+, so it's not like he's going to improve on that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2017, 08:37:25 PM
should have went to the CFL.
If I am a kid out of high school like that, who has terrible grades and can't function in the class room, I am going to the CFL. 3-4 years in the CFL and some production and he just might've been drafted or signed as a free agent by a team.
That's what Duron Carter finally did. 
After being one of the top receivers up there for two years he got a cup of tea with the Indianapolis Colts. But it didn't take.
He's been back in the CFL for another two years, is still doing pretty well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 23, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
UCLA QB Josh Rosen sitting out the bowl game. Can't say I blame him. He's the probable #1 pick, #2 at worst. Nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Pretty sad to see how his career went, a kid with his talent should've QB'd a team to some championships. But he's the one who thought it was a good idea to go play for Jim Mora. So...lol.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2017, 11:49:33 PM
He chose UCLA, and UCLA is UCLA....so he can't feel surprised.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2017, 11:52:39 PM
UCLA QB Josh Rosen sitting out the bowl game. Can't say I blame him. He's the probable #1 pick, #2 at worst. Nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Pretty sad to see how his career went, a kid with his talent should've QB'd a team to some championships. But he's the one who thought it was a good idea to go play for Jim Mora. So...lol.
I blame him.  Sitting out the last game because you've got bigger and better plans for the future is the antithesis of being a teammate.
By extension, his reasoning could be applied to every senior whose team has been eliminated from CFP consideration.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 24, 2017, 08:36:03 AM
^^^ Dead on, CW.

I think when kids choose to not play, they should immediately lose all benefits associated with their scholarship too. No weight room, no training table, no trainers, no pro day, any final stipends, etc.

If you say you're done, then you're done. Two-way street.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2017, 08:49:18 AM
Rosen says he is in concussion protocol 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 24, 2017, 09:37:15 AM
Yeah, so am I.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
hah, I've fallen and I can't reach my martini  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 24, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
You know me well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 24, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
He chose UCLA, and UCLA is UCLA....so he can't feel surprised.  
truth.
thing is though, think I read/heard some stat that during Jim Mora's 6 year tenure at UCLA, he had more guys drafted to the NFL than any team in the PAC. The guy could obviously recruit well. Never translated into wins, and he got fired.
He's a pretty mediocre coach. Always has been ever since his stint in the NFL where he got fired by the Falcons and the Seahawks. Don't know why UCLA thought it was a good idea to hire him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2017, 11:08:25 AM
Jim Mora started strong, going 29–11 through the first 3 seasons
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 24, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Jim Mora started strong, going 29–11 through the first 3 seasons
Frank Solich wouldn't have lasted as long in Lincoln as he did if he had started out with that record.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 24, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
truth.
thing is though, think I read/heard some stat that during Jim Mora's 6 year tenure at UCLA, he had more guys drafted to the NFL than any team in the PAC. The guy could obviously recruit well. Never translated into wins, and he got fired.
He's a pretty mediocre coach. Always has been ever since his stint in the NFL where he got fired by the Falcons and the Seahawks. Don't know why UCLA thought it was a good idea to hire him.
Pete Carroll.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Frank Solich wouldn't have lasted as long in Lincoln as he did if he had started out with that record.
poor Frankie was following 60-3 the previous 5 seasons
Mora wouldn't have lasted as long either
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 24, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
True on both counts.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 24, 2017, 02:12:12 PM
UCLA QB Josh Rosen sitting out the bowl game. Can't say I blame him. He's the probable #1 pick, #2 at worst. Nothing to gain and everything to lose.
I agree UCLA emptied the vaults for Chip who left CFB under cloudy circumstances.Many top picks get hurt i.e.Jake Butt for instance.For what an Atta boy.Different if they are in the CFP or Big Bowl.If coaches like Jimbo Fisher can sign an unholy contract why shouldn't the players who get them there at least get that opportunity.Jimbo doesn't approach that coin if he's at say Utah ST or some where comparable.Players however should pay back their Universty Schollie - JMO
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 24, 2017, 05:08:56 PM
Josh Rosen wants to go to the Giants. Might not enter the NFL Draft if the Browns are going to pick him.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21863509/josh-rosen-prefers-new-york-giants-cleveland-browns-hesitate-enter-draft-cleveland-commits-him
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 30, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
Ohio State CB Denzel Ward and DE Sam Hubbard officially declare for the NFL draft. Not a surprise, everyone saw both coming, but it's official now.

EDIT: with Hubbard declaring, and Jayln Holmes and Tyquan Lewis graduating, does this leave just Bosa Jr. and the true frosh Chase Young at DE on the entire roster going in 2018?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2017, 03:17:17 PM
Can someone explain why NFL scouts are so high on the guy who leads the entire FBS in turnovers? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 30, 2017, 04:53:50 PM
Can someone explain why NFL scouts are so high on the guy who leads the entire FBS in turnovers?
very good question. Darnold is a bit of a gun slinger. He takes a lot of chances he probably shouldn't it. Lot of NFL coaches probably think "oh I can fix that".
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 30, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
Ohio State CB Denzel Ward and DE Sam Hubbard officially declare for the NFL draft. Not a surprise, everyone saw both coming, but it's official now.

EDIT: with Hubbard declaring, and Jayln Holmes and Tyquan Lewis graduating, does this leave just Bosa Jr. and the true frosh Chase Young at DE on the entire roster going in 2018?
Jonathon Cooper too
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2017, 07:32:24 PM
very good question. Darnold is a bit of a gun slinger. He takes a lot of chances he probably shouldn't it. Lot of NFL coaches probably think "oh I can fix that".
Hue Jackson is one of these blithering idiots.Watching Kizer repeating errors continually every week.Then trotting him right back out there on the next series.And he's made enough money to walk away right now and never have to work again.It's maddening
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 30, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
Jonathon Cooper too
oh yeah, forgot all about him. He was a high 4* borderline 5*. Was kinda smallish though out of HS, was listed in the 220's. Which meant he was probably really 215. Has he put on the necessary weight?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 30, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
Hue Jackson is one of these blithering idiots.Watching Kizer repeating errors continually every week.Then trotting him right back out there on the next series.And he's made enough money to walk away right now and never have to work again.It's maddening
feel bad for Kizer. Kid is ultra talented, just a little bit immature. He wasn't anywhere near ready for the NFL game. Should've been redshirting this year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on January 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
Barkley was shut down in multiple games this year, although he has value as a pass-catcher.  Is he really that highly thought of?  

He had a bad game vs. OSU, okay, that's fine.  But IU and Rutgers?  Was he hurt?
He's considered to be a better prospect than Elliott. Plus if Barkley has something going for him its that he wasn't used all that much. PSU would go quarters forgetting that he's even on the field. Good RBs are underrated. 1st of all in their 2nd contract you don't have to pay them much (Bell will make what 30M? guarenteed and the Steelers even with their talent are trassssshhhhh on O without him). Passing is more difficult in the playoffs when the refs swallow the whistle. You need a running game.  Yes you can find a good RB later in the draft but that's true for just about any position (Brady, Brown, Sherman etc). 
I wouldn't draft a RB top 10 if I didn't have a QB, apparently SF does. High 1st round RBs should be the final piece, not the 1st piece of your offense. Also if they do pick him I would offer a late 2nd or 3rd round pick for Hyde in a sec. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 02, 2018, 08:07:01 PM
He's considered to be a better prospect than Elliott. Plus if Barkley has something going for him its that he wasn't used all that much. PSU would go quarters forgetting that he's even on the field. Good RBs are underrated. 1st of all in their 2nd contract you don't have to pay them much (Bell will make what 30M? guarenteed and the Steelers even with their talent are trassssshhhhh on O without him). Passing is more difficult in the playoffs when the refs swallow the whistle. You need a running game.  Yes you can find a good RB later in the draft but that's true for just about any position (Brady, Brown, Sherman etc).
I wouldn't draft a RB top 10 if I didn't have a QB, apparently SF does. High 1st round RBs should be the final piece, not the 1st piece of your offense. Also if they do pick him I would offer a late 2nd or 3rd round pick for Hyde in a sec.
49ers should absolutely pick Barkley and KEEP Hyde too. That RB duo would be straight up lethal with a QB like Garoppolo. Garoppolo is the real deal. His release is lighting quick, he is an anticipatory thrower and man is he accurate. A QB like that can make the other pieces on offense around him better.
49ers have A TON of cap space. They could get real good in a hurry if they pick the right players with their draft picks and sign the right F/A's. Draft Barkley, shore up the OL and get a TE and a WR and watch that offense go KABOOM with Garoppolo pulling the trigger and Kyle Shannahan calling the plays.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2018, 10:06:18 PM
very good question. Darnold is a bit of a gun slinger. He takes a lot of chances he probably shouldn't it. Lot of NFL coaches probably think "oh I can fix that".
Just like people in bad relationships.  
Oh, I thought I'd convince you to want kids.
I thought you'd grow out of playing video games.
I thought you'd want to stay home with me instead of going out all the time.
He only hit me that one time.
I thought we talked about this - your financial trouble is our financial trouble.
And on and on.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2018, 12:42:48 PM
Iowa CB Josh Jackson declares for the draft.  Was a unanimous consensus AA, and a Thorpe finalist.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: iahawk15 on January 04, 2018, 08:23:56 AM
Iowa CB Josh Jackson declares for the draft.  Was a unanimous consensus AA, and a Thorpe finalist.
Sounds like C James Daniels is going to declare as well.
Jackson is a no-brainer; Daniels, ehhhhh. He's definitely NFL material, and easily the most athletic C I've seen play at Iowa, but I think he could use another year to clean up his weak spots. However, I guess there's a shallow C class this year, so strike while the iron is hot.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on January 04, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
Sounds like C James Daniels is going to declare as well.
Jackson is a no-brainer; Daniels, ehhhhh. He's definitely NFL material, and easily the most athletic C I've seen play at Iowa, but I think he could use another year to clean up his weak spots. However, I guess there's a shallow C class this year, so strike while the iron is hot.
I've read the same regarding the OC class.  Might help keep MSU's draft streak in tact with Brian Allen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 06, 2018, 12:38:28 PM
leading Notre Dame receiver Equanimeous St. Brown declaring for the NFL draft. Little bit shocked. Thought he'd be back. Rumors are he was frustrated with QB play and passing offense. His production numbers wise took a serious nose dive with Kizer off to the NFL. Wimbush struggles throwing the football, more of a runner than passer.

Notre Dame's leading rusher RB Josh Adams also declares for the NFL draft. That one makes more sense. He had back to back 1,000+ yard rush seasons as soph and jr, and he had 100+ carries as a frosh. Not like he was going to improve his draft stock anymore putting more miles on those tires as a SR. RB's should always go after year 3 if they can and they are legitimate picks in the top 4 rounds IMO. Adams will definitely go somewhere in the top 4 rounds. I'd bet 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on January 07, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
Can someone explain why NFL scouts are so high on the guy who leads the entire FBS in turnovers?
Watson had 18INTs his SR year, so I guess you could explain it that way. In Darnold's defense I've seen him make some tremendous throws (and some really bad ones) also USC's OL was terrible and they had zero running game in Sept.  If (and yes its a big if) you can clean up the mistakes you should have a good QB.
He'd be best served to fall in the middle of 1st round, say the Ravens.

For me I can't understand the Josh Allen 1st round pick talk. I watched Wyoming a few times on MW after dark. That dude is not good at all. 56% passer in the MWC. He's like Jake Locker if only Jake Locker played against inferior competetion and was 2 steps slower.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2018, 10:53:24 PM
Yeah, I saw Allen probably three times this year.  The only time he even looked like a draft pick was against CMU in their bowl game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Entropy on January 08, 2018, 09:49:21 AM
I would not spend first round money on a rb... not the way the NFL plays the game today.

I know he wasn't an all American or even all conference, but Lee declared for the draft.  I expect him to be drafted 4th or 5th round by someone who has a starter and is willing to draft a kid with a good arm, can make the throws, has played in a pro system and has time to learn. 

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Well this is fun....Florida's SS Marcel Harris, who was out all year with a torn achillies is going pro.  So with the usual suspects, our kicker and a guy that didn't play a snap this year are leaving, too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on January 16, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
Bryce Love and Christian Wilkins returning
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on January 17, 2018, 09:37:28 PM
49ers should absolutely pick Barkley and KEEP Hyde too. That RB duo would be straight up lethal with a QB like Garoppolo. Garoppolo is the real deal. His release is lighting quick, he is an anticipatory thrower and man is he accurate. A QB like that can make the other pieces on offense around him better.
49ers have A TON of cap space. They could get real good in a hurry if they pick the right players with their draft picks and sign the right F/A's. Draft Barkley, shore up the OL and get a TE and a WR and watch that offense go KABOOM with Garoppolo pulling the trigger and Kyle Shannahan calling the plays.
Yea they could have a Kamara-Ingram like duo. Only maybe better. Plus Barkley could play the slot and RB (I'm assuming that Hyde can pass block if needed). 49ers still probably a year or 2 away. Instead of going after a ton of FAs it might be wise to give Jimmy G say a 110-120M contract with something like an absurd 40-50M salary this year instead of 20-25+M spread out over 5-6. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2018, 05:10:34 PM
Kiper released his first mock today, and I guess the Browns are dumb enough to take the Wyoming QB #1, but I don't see it.

He has Lions taking OSU DE Sam Hubbard #1.  As of now, I don't like that pick much.  IMO he was the third best end of a group that should have been MUCH better than they were.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 18, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
Kiper released his first mock today, and I guess the Browns are dumb enough to take the Wyoming QB #1, but I don't see it.

He has Lions taking OSU DE Sam Hubbard #1.  As of now, I don't like that pick much.  IMO he was the third best end of a group that should have been MUCH better than they were.
I wouldn't like that Hubbard pick either for the Lions. I think he'd be a way better value pick in the 2nd. I think the Lions should go after Mo Hurst, Malik Jefferson, Rashaan Evans, Connor Williams, Billy Price, or Orlando Brown with the 20th pick. I like all those guys a lot better than Hubbard.
Anybody who takes Allen in the 1st round is dumb. His completion % is awful. You can only teach accuracy so much. Kiper is an idiot.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2018, 09:16:18 PM
Kiper is an idiot.
yup
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
Kiper released his first mock today, and I guess the Browns are dumb enough to take the Wyoming QB #1, but I don't see it.
Hope not they already have him in Kizer.Browns can't keep whiffing on QB's.Ride out Kizer as he appeared to come around the last game and has a year under his belt at 21.Build up the lines hopefully the Browns new GM has a clue - keep Hue away from the draft board
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
I wouldn't like that Hubbard pick either for the Lions. I think he'd be a way better value pick in the 2nd. I think the Lions should go after Mo Hurst, Malik Jefferson, Rashaan Evans, Connor Williams, Billy Price, or Orlando Brown with the 20th pick. I like all those guys a lot better than Hubbard.
Anybody who takes Allen in the 1st round is dumb. His completion % is awful. You can only teach accuracy so much. Kiper is an idiot.
Lions drafting at 20 some of those Price/Hurst won't be there IMO
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on January 22, 2018, 07:11:00 PM
Yeah, I saw Allen probably three times this year.  The only time he even looked like a draft pick was against CMU in their bowl game.
Apparently the Browns are really thinking hard about taking him No.1. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on January 27, 2018, 05:28:04 PM
I'm watching the Sr. Bowl. Now I'm convinced that this Richmond Spiders QB should be drafted No.1. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 28, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
Apparently the Browns are really thinking hard about taking him No.1.
and this is why they are the Cleveland Browns lol. Great idea. Pick a QB who completes less than 50% of his passes for his career playing garbage small ball college competition. That'll work out great in the NFL. El Oh El.
Rosen should be the pick but he's apparently told them don't pick me. Maybe they are having second thoughts about Sam Darnold? Darnold has only started like 25 or 26 games and he's had a propensity for turnovers- but so did Andrew Luck and Luck has been pretty damn good when he hasn't gotten his brains beaten in bc of Indy's lack of an adequate OL.
Darnold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen. And it's not even remotely close.

I'd take Baker Mayfield before Allen. Way before. I know he's only 5'11 and change but Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are similar sized and they are about as good as it gets at QB in the NFL outside of Brady and Rodgers. Only thing that scares me a little bit about Mayfield are questions about his maturity. Or lack thereof. He's got the arm strength, accuracy, mobility, and play-making ability all at high levels.
Still think Rosen will be the best of the lot. Probably the smartest dude of the bunch and also has the best arm talent.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on March 07, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
PSU guys blowing up at the combine all over the place.  I think they may have lost more than we thought, plus the OC that totally changed the trajectory under Franklin.  Long term I think this probably helps them, but I think they may take a bigger step back this year than I previously thought.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 07, 2018, 11:32:14 AM
My thing with Mayfield, and this is why I thought OU would win the playoff, is that he's still good when everything goes to hell.  Uusally guys either duck their head and get sacked or run around and turn the ball over, but he's actually still productive when the play breaks down.

Now, it didn't help them win the playoff and it may not help him in the NFL, but I still think it's a feather in his cap that none of the other top QBs have (except for Jackson, but apparently fast, black kids shouldn't play QB).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Geolion91 on March 07, 2018, 03:10:05 PM
PSU guys blowing up at the combine all over the place.  I think they may have lost more than we thought, plus the OC that totally changed the trajectory under Franklin.  Long term I think this probably helps them, but I think they may take a bigger step back this year than I previously thought.
Losing Barkley and Gesicki hurts.  but The backup RB, Sanders, is still very good.  As far as Apke, he was a good DB, but being fast isn't all there is to it.  We still have some good DBs.
I think the biggest step back for us is at TE.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 07, 2018, 07:06:02 PM
Disappointed that only Eddy Wilson got invited to the combine from Purdue. He was a contributor, but not one of the linchpins of the team. Wilson is only entering the draft because he can't stay academically eligible at Purdue [missed the bowl game due to academics]. Wilson ended up being a bust at the combine.

Ja'Whuan Bentley didn't get invited. Purdue just had their pro day and Bentley impressed. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 07, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
Did I hear Hurst has a heart thing?  Does that affect anything?  Sorry, i don't know more.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on March 08, 2018, 12:13:24 PM
and this is why they are the Cleveland Browns lol. Great idea. Pick a QB who completes less than 50% of his passes for his career playing garbage small ball college competition. That'll work out great in the NFL. El Oh El.
Rosen should be the pick but he's apparently told them don't pick me. Maybe they are having second thoughts about Sam Darnold? Darnold has only started like 25 or 26 games and he's had a propensity for turnovers- but so did Andrew Luck and Luck has been pretty damn good when he hasn't gotten his brains beaten in bc of Indy's lack of an adequate OL.
Darnold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen. And it's not even remotely close.

I'd take Baker Mayfield before Allen. Way before. I know he's only 5'11 and change but Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are similar sized and they are about as good as it gets at QB in the NFL outside of Brady and Rodgers. Only thing that scares me a little bit about Mayfield are questions about his maturity. Or lack thereof. He's got the arm strength, accuracy, mobility, and play-making ability all at high levels.
Still think Rosen will be the best of the lot. Probably the smartest dude of the bunch and also has the best arm talent.
i don't really trust any of the qb's this year. rosen probably the best, but i don't think he's spectacular. darnold is there as well, but he's got turnoveritis (rosen isn't far behind him there either). and i don't trust allen at all. mayfield i can't get a feel for. feels like a slightly less annoying johnny football. slightly.
if i were the browns, i'd trade down with both #1 and #4. pick up a couple of #10-20 picks, plus add a couple of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks as well, and rack up on other players. with the hot qb's on market, someone will trade up i think. as for their qb, take a flyer on one of the free agent qbs. try to get cousins, but if that falls through, bradford, bridgewater, mccarron or someone like that. one that might be good, but won't set you back for another 5 years if you miss either.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
if i were the browns, i'd trade down with both #1 and #4. pick up a couple of #10-20 picks, plus add a couple of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks as well, and rack up on other players. with the hot qb's on market, someone will trade up i think. as for their qb, take a flyer on one of the free agent qbs. try to get cousins, but if that falls through, bradford, bridgewater, mccarron or someone like that. one that might be good, but won't set you back for another 5 years if you miss either.
Heck, the Eagles are looking to move Foles, from what I heard. I'd rather have him than the rookies.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on March 08, 2018, 05:31:03 PM
Heck, the Eagles are looking to move Foles, from what I heard. I'd rather have him than the rookies.
can't believe for a second that the Eagles would trade Foles. Right now there is no guarantee that Wendt will be ready for the start of next season.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2018, 07:30:02 PM
can't believe for a second that the Eagles would trade Foles. Right now there is no guarantee that Wendt will be ready for the start of next season.
Yeah, but there's a point at which we all talk about what you do "when your stock is as high as it's going to get".
You only start one QB. If you have Carson Wentz and Nick Foles on your roster, it doesn't make you twice as good as having just one of them. If there are teams looking to make Foles their starter, you hear them out. If they're offering "starting QB" value for someone that you consider a backup QB, you take that trade.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on March 09, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
I'd probably take Mayfield - he seems like the safest option.  I was impressed with his arm strength and ball placement, even while he was on the move.  If you are willing to spread out the offense so he has some space to operate he should be pretty successful.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2018, 11:43:17 AM
mayfield would be my QB pick

stocking the trenches is always more important than a chance on a QB
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2018, 02:33:23 PM
Wonderlic...

https://sports.yahoo.com/wonderlic-test-scores-2018-nfl-180347825.html
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
I'd still take Mayfield
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 30, 2018, 11:55:32 PM
Eli Manning has 2 Rings
Terry Bradshaw has 4 Rings
Neither one strikes me as chart busters- just win baby
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 16, 2018, 01:04:00 PM
Finally set to start my full mock today.  Per usual, I'm no insider, so this is who I would take, not who I think they would take.  Also, any former picks in parenthesis mean it's a mock trade, and not necessarily where the teams are actually picking

FIRST ROUND

1.BROWNSRB SAQUON BARKLEY, PENN STATE
2.GiantsDE Bradley Chubb, NC State
3.JetsQB Sam Darnold, USC
4.BrownsFS Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
5.BroncosG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
6.COLTSCB DENZEL WARD, OHIO STATE
7.BuccaneersSS Derwin James, Florida State
8.BearsILB Roquan Smith, Georgia
9.Bills (SF)QB Josh Rosen, UCLA
10.RaidersILB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
11.DolphinsDT Vita Vea, Washington
12.49ers (BUF)CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville
13.RedskinsDT Taven Bryan, Florida
14.Browns (GB)QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville
15.CardinalsQB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
16.RavensWR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
17.CHARGERSDT MAURICE HURST, MICHIGAN
18.SeahawksRB Derrius Guice, LSU
19.CowboysOLB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
20.LionsG Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
21.BengalsG Will Hernandez, UTEP
22.BillsT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
23.PatriotsDT De'Ron Payne, Alabama
24.PANTHERSCB JOSH JACKSON, IOWA
25.Lions (TEN)DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA
26.FalconsWR Courtland Sutton, SMU
27.SaintsDE Harold Landry, Boston College
28.SteelersILB Rashaan Evans, Alabama
29.JaguarsWR James Washington, Oklahoma State
30.VikingsT Connor Williams, Texas
31.PatriotsCB Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
32.EaglesRB Ronald Jones II, USC

TRADES:
49ers trade 1st round (#9) to Bills for 1st round (#12) and 3rd round (#96)
Packers trade 1st round (#14) to Browns for two 2nd rounds (#33 and #35)
Titans trade 1st round (#25) to Lions for 2nd round (#51), 3rd round (#82) and 2019 3rd round pick
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 16, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
Browns have so many fricken needs. If I was them I'd trade the pick. If nothing great was offered, I'd just take Saquon Barkley. He is the type of RB the game is trending towards. Closest thing to Marshall Faulk since IMO. He will be what Reggie Bush should have been. Bush never had the upper or lower body or physical toughness to be an every down RB in the NFL. This guy has that and then some. And to top it off he's the most versatile RB to come out in at least a decade. Instant impact player imo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
Yeah, Barkley has it all. He can catch, run, block and probably be a returner too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 16, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
I was very confused by your mock until I realized that the Browns had picked up Tyrod Taylor...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 16, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
I was very confused by your mock until I realized that the Browns had picked up Tyrod Taylor...
And I still have them trading up for a third 1st round pick and taking Lamar Jackson.  Kind of thinking they'll go with Taylor for the year, so fill a couple other holes, but when Jackson slid down to #14, it was too tempting not to jump up and get a top QB after all.  If you have 6 1st round picks over a two year span, that's a hell of a building block for a franchise.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 16, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
And I still have them trading up for a third 1st round pick and taking Lamar Jackson.  Kind of thinking they'll go with Taylor for the year, so fill a couple other holes, but when Jackson slid down to #14, it was too tempting not to jump up and get a top QB after all.  If you have 6 1st round picks over a two year span, that's a hell of a building block for a franchise.
Tell you what, I'd rather have Lamar Jackson in the middle or late 1st than one of the other QB's early. I think Rosen will be the best of the bunch and he's most ready to plug and play. I question Mayfield's size and maturity, not his game. I think his game translates a lot better to the next level than Johnny Foosballs ever did. Mayfield can really play. It's everything else you question. Whoever takes Josh Allen high is just an idiot buying into hype IMO. Darnold seems to me like Andrew Luck light. Not quite as good and the ceiling isn't quite as high as Luck but he also comes with a little bit of turnover-itis like Luck did.
I think the only QB I'd take in the 1st is Rosen. He's as close to a sure thing as there is in this draft. If I'm spending a high 1st round pick at QB, I want to be sure. Jackson probably has the highest upside just based on his freakish athletic ability and his cannon arm.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 16, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
Yeah, I didn't put Allen in my 1st round, but I'm sure he'll go there.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 16, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Yeah, I didn't put Allen in my 1st round, but I'm sure he'll go there.
he's a top 5 pick according to all the experts. And it's nuts. He is just not that good at playing QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 16, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
On Friday local CBS radio affiliate hosts were talking about Allen.I forget the few guests they had on but they seemed well versed and were not high on Allen at all.Evidently he's a dink & dunk type not over the top strikes a lot.There were a few other things he got flagged on.With that said I'm afraid the Browns will grab him high.On second thought I forgot the Browns picked up GM John Dorsey in December.Larry,Curly & Moe before  were all Harvard Grads and had no KLEW on procuring grid iron talent.I've said this before collectively this board could hold it's own on Draft Day.I believe that.Who follows CFB more than us bouncing ideas back & forth so much it some times degenerates into a pissing match.Lot of eyes on the talent pool.I can tell you I shyt myself sometimes for instance Manziel and Weeden a few years before.He turned 29 his rookie season.Two years back they drafted 5 wide receivers and the two they let go had much better years than the 5 they picked up :91:.There is one left from that draft.I was like the old man in Christmas Story cursing up a storm working on the furnace.There were holes all over that roster and these luminaries grab 5 at one position.F'up- move up
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 16, 2018, 11:34:50 PM
Good to see Hurst is evidently okay.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 17, 2018, 05:37:45 PM
2nd Round

33.Packers (CLE)CB Mike Hughes, Central Florida
34.GiantsRB Sony Michel, Georgia
35.PACKERS (CLE)WR D.J. MOORE, MARYLAND
36.ColtsDE Josh Sweat, Florida State
37.ColtsRB Nick Chubb, Georgia
38.BUCCANEERSC JAMES DANIELS, IOWA
39.Steelers (CHI)QB Josh Allen, Wyoming
40.BRONCOSTE MIKE GESICKI, PENN STATE
41.RaidersT Kolton Miller, UCLA
42.DolphinsTE Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
43.PatriotsT Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
44.REDSKINSC BILLY PRICE, OHIO STATE
45.PackersSS Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
46.BengalsFS Justin Reid, Stanford
47.Broncos (ARI)QB Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
48.ChargersT Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
49.ColtsT Chukwuma Okorafor, Western Michigan
50.CowboysDT Harrison Phillips, Stanford
51.Titans (DET)OLB Lorenzo Carter, Georgia
52.RavensC Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
53.BillsWR Anthony Miller, Memphis
54.ChiefsCB Carlton Davis, Auburn
55.PanthersWR Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
56.Falcons (BUF)DE Arden Key, LSU
57.TitansG Braden Smith, Auburn
58.Bills (ATL)CB Donte Jackson, LSU
59.49ersFS Jessie Bates, Wake Forest
60.Bears (PIT)DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
61.SEAHAWKS (JAX)DE SAM HUBBARD, OHIO STATE
62.VikingsCB Quenton Meeks, Stanford
63.PatriotsOLB Uchenna Nwosu, USC
64.BrownsDT Nathan Shepherd, Fort Hays State

TRADES:
Bears trade 2nd Round (#39) to Steelers for 2nd Round (#60), 3rd Round (#92) and 5th Round (#148)
Cardinals trade 2nd Round (#47) to Broncos for two 3rd Round (#71 and #99) and 4th Round (#106)
Bills trade 2nd Round (#56) to Falcons for 2nd Round (#58) and 6th Round (#200)
Jaguars trade 2nd Round (#61) to Seahawks for 4th Round (#120), 5th Round (#141) and 2019 3rd Round Pick
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on April 17, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
Finally set to start my full mock today.  Per usual, I'm no insider, so this is who I would take, not who I think they would take.  Also, any former picks in parenthesis mean it's a mock trade, and not necessarily where the teams are actually picking

FIRST ROUND

1.BROWNSRB SAQUON BARKLEY, PENN STATE
2.GiantsDE Bradley Chubb, NC State
3.JetsQB Sam Darnold, USC
4.BrownsFS Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
5.BroncosG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
6.COLTSCB DENZEL WARD, OHIO STATE
7.BuccaneersSS Derwin James, Florida State
8.BearsILB Roquan Smith, Georgia
9.Bills (SF)QB Josh Rosen, UCLA
10.RaidersILB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
11.DolphinsDT Vita Vea, Washington
12.49ers (BUF)CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville
13.RedskinsDT Taven Bryan, Florida
14.Browns (GB)QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville
15.CardinalsQB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
16.RavensWR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
17.CHARGERSDT MAURICE HURST, MICHIGAN
18.SeahawksRB Derrius Guice, LSU
19.CowboysOLB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
20.LionsG Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
21.BengalsG Will Hernandez, UTEP
22.BillsT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
23.PatriotsDT De'Ron Payne, Alabama
24.PANTHERSCB JOSH JACKSON, IOWA
25.Lions (TEN)DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA
26.FalconsWR Courtland Sutton, SMU
27.SaintsDE Harold Landry, Boston College
28.SteelersILB Rashaan Evans, Alabama
29.JaguarsWR James Washington, Oklahoma State
30.VikingsT Connor Williams, Texas
31.PatriotsCB Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
32.EaglesRB Ronald Jones II, USC

TRADES:
49ers trade 1st round (#9) to Bills for 1st round (#12) and 3rd round (#96)
Packers trade 1st round (#14) to Browns for two 2nd rounds (#33 and #35)
Titans trade 1st round (#25) to Lions for 2nd round (#51), 3rd round (#82) and 2019 3rd round pick
As a life long Browns' fan, I would not be happy with this draft. First Lamar (imho) is not a first round pick. Second, I just don't think Barkley is going to be a game changing back. Saw too much of his yard from breakaway combined with many 1 or 2 yard carries. Also I think he bounces outside too much. Won't be able to do that in the NFL. If I was drafting for the Browns, I would probably draft Mayfield at one. Chubb at 4 (to combine him with Garrett). I might consider trading back into the first round if there was someone I absolutely loved that I didn't think would make it to the top of the 2nd.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2018, 09:33:45 PM
Is there anyone in the draft that is a good player, but injured?

The Bears like drafting pre-injured players. Feel free to nominate.

I'll go with Jack Cichy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 17, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
didn't know where to put it. Seahawks expected to cut Malik McDowell. Wow.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/16/malik-mcdowell-seattle-seahawks/522865002/
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 17, 2018, 10:30:11 PM
Sounds like the ATV accident may be career ending.  Rumors of it being a brain injury that isn't improving.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Lorenzo Carter (LB) is a pretty good second round pick if he lasts that long.  He played in the shadow of his better known counterpart but was very effective and athletic.  It's interesting that most have Sony Michel higher than Nick Chubb, which does make sense, but Chubb was always the starter ahead of Michel in college.  Different game of course.

I of course would do the "Wisconsin model" and pick linemen on both sides, perhaps late in the first round by trading down, and build a team from the lines out.  But perhaps it's better to draft a QB high and watch him flame out like the Browns do?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 18, 2018, 08:02:47 AM
Lorenzo Carter (LB) is a pretty good second round pick if he lasts that long.  He played in the shadow of his better known counterpart but was very effective and athletic.  
He certainly looks the part, I'm just concerned as to why the production never quite matched the skill set.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 18, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
Is there anyone in the draft that is a good player, but injured?

The Bears like drafting pre-injured players. Feel free to nominate.

I'll go with Jack Cichy.
S Marcel Harris from Florida was out the whole year, but is going into the draft.  Big-hitter, not great at coverage.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 18, 2018, 09:33:49 AM
He certainly looks the part, I'm just concerned as to why the production never quite matched the skill set.
Physically he's a beast, and I wondered the same thing you did, but then saw a focus story on him.  He's too nice.  Like he's chill and nice and coaches had a hard time getting him amped up and unleashing the beast.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
The Bears like drafting pre-injured players. Feel free to nominate.

:hee20hee20hee:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 18, 2018, 11:13:37 AM
3rd Round

65.BillsC Austin Corbett, Nevada
66.GiantsCB M.J. Stewart, North Carolina
67.ColtsOLB Darius Leonard, SC State
68.TexansTE Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
69.GiantsWR Michael Gallup, Colorado State
70.49ersOLB Malik Jefferson, Texas
71.Cardinals (DEN)WR Dante Pettis, Washington
72.JETSOLB JEROME BAKER, OHIO STATE
73.Patriots (MIA)RB Kerryon Johnson, Auburn
74.49ersDT B.J. Hill, NC State
75.RaidersWR Tre'Quan Smith, Central Florida
76.PackersRB Rashaad Penny, San Diego State
77.BengalsWR Deon Cain, Clemson
78.ChiefsWR D.J. Chark, LSU
79.CardinalsFS Kyzir White, West Virginia
80.TexansCB Holton Hill, Texas
81.COWBOYSWR DAESEAN HAMILTON, PENN STATE
82.TITANS (DET)ILB JOSEY JEWELL, IOWA
83.RavensTE Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
84.ChargersDE Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
85.PanthersRB Royce Freeman, Oregon
86.ChiefsSS DeShon Elliott, Texas
87.RamsWR Equanimeous St. Brown, Notre Dame
88.PanthersDE Jeff Holland, Auburn
89.TitansDT Tim Settle, Virginia Tech
90.FalconsDT Derrick Nnadi, Florida State
91.SAINTSTE IAN THOMAS, INDIANA
92.BEARS (PIT)OLB KEMOKO TURAY, RUTGERS
93.JaguarsCB Duke Dawson, Florida
94.VikingsC Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State
95.Dolphins (NE)CB Rashaan Gaulden, Tennessee
96.49ERS (BUF)T JAMARCO JONES, OHIO STATE
97.CardinalsDE Rasheem Green, USC
98.TexansT Desmond Harrison, West Georgia
99.Cardinals (DEN)CB Anthony Averett, Alabama
100.BengalsOLB Fred Warner, BYU

TRADES:
Dolphins trade 3rd Round (#73) to Patriots for 3rd Round (#95), 6th Round (#198) and 2019 4th Round Pick
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 19, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
4th Round

101.Lions (GB)DT Andrew Brown, Virginia
102.BuccaneersT Brian O'Neill, Pittsburgh
103.TexansG Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech
104.ColtsWR Cedrick Wilson, Boise State
105.BearsDT R.J. McIntosh, Miami
106.Cardinals (DEN)RB Mark Walton, Miami
107.JetsDE Da'Shawn Hand, Alabama
108.GiantsOLB Dorian O'Daniel, Clemson
109.RedskinsRB Nyheim Hines, NC State
110.RaidersCB Isaac Yiadom, Boston College
111.RAMSFS MARCUS ALLEN, PENN STATE
112.BengalsT Joseph Noteboom, TCU
113.BroncosWR Marcell Ateman, Oklahoma State
114.BrownsOLB Shaquem Griffin, Central Florida
115.BearsWR Allen Lazard, Iowa State
116.CowboysSS Jordan Whitehead, Pittsburgh
117.Broncos (DET via GB)RB Kalen Ballage, Arizona State
118.RavensILB Micah Kiser, Virginia
119.CHARGERSOLB TEGRAY SCALES, INDIANA
120.Jaguars (SEA)TE Jaylen Samuels, NC State
121.Seahawks (BUF)CB D.J. Reed, Kansas State
122.ChiefsILB Christian Sam, Arizona State
123.DolphinsQB Kyle Lauletta, Richmond
124.ChiefsFS Armani Watts, Texas A&M
125.TitansFS Quin Blanding, Virginia
126.FalconsCB Tarvarus McFadden, Florida State
127.SaintsWR Deontay Burnett, USC
128.49ersRB Josh Adams, Notre Dame
129.Patriots (JAX)DE Dorance Armstrong, Kansas
130.EaglesFS Terrell Edmunds, Virginia Tech
131.Cowboys (MIA)DE Chad Thomas, Miami
132.EAGLESILB JACK CICHY, WISCONSIN
133.Raiders (GB)DT Justin Jones, NC State
134.CardinalsC Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
135.Colts (LAR)DT Breeland Speaks, Ole Miss
136.Buccaneers (LAR)DT Poona Ford, Texas
137.BENGALS (DAL via MIA)CB NICK NELSON, WISCONSIN

TRADES: (wound up having a ton this round)
Packers trade 4th Round (#101) to Lions for 4th Round (#117) and 5th Round (#153)
Packers trade 4th Round (#117) to Broncos for two 5th Round (#149 and #160)
Bills trade 4th Round (#121) to Seahawks for 5th Round (#146) and 2019 6th Round Pick
Jaguars trade 4th round (#129) to Patriots for 6th round (#210) and 2019 5th Round Pick
Dolphins trade 4th Round (#131) to Cowboys for 4th Round (#137) and 7th Round (#236)
Packers trade 4th Round (#133) to Raiders for 5th Round (#173) and 6th Round (#185)
Rams trade 4th Round (#135) to Colts for 5th Round (#140) and 7th Round (#221)
Rams trade 4th Round (#136) and 6th Round (#194) to Buccaneers for 5th Round (#144) and 6th Round (#180)
Dolphins trade 4th Round (#137) and 6th Round (#198) to Bengals for two 5th Round (#151 and #170)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 20, 2018, 02:23:45 PM
5th Round

138.PackersOLB Genard Avery, Memphis
139.GiantsT Will Richardson, NC State
140.Rams (IND)T Geron Christian, Louisville
141.Jaguars (SEA)QB Mike White, Western Kentucky
142.RedskinsCB Dane Cruikshank, Arizona
143.49ersTE Dalton Schultz, Stanford
144.Vikings (TB via LAR)DT Kendrick Norton, Miami
145.BearsT Brandon Parker, North Carolina A&T
146.BILLS (SEA)TE TROY FUMAGALLI, WISCONSIN
147.SAINTSC MASON COLE, MICHIGAN
148.Bears (PIT)CB Kameron Kelly, San Diego State
149.Ravens (DEN via GB)RB John Kelly, Tennessee
150.BrownsCB Kevin Toliver, LSU
151.Texans (CIN via MIA)DE Kylie Fitts, Utah
152.Seahawks (ARI)DT Folorunso Fatukasi, Connecticut
153.EAGLES (DET via GB)DE JALYN HOLMES, OHIO STATE
154.Eagles (BAL via GB)WR Keke Coutee, Texas Tech
155.CHARGERSFS GODWIN IGWEBUIKE, NORTHWESTERN
156.Packers (PHI)DT Trenton Thompson, Georgia
157.JETSWR SIMMIE COBBS, INDIANA
158.BengalsC Bradley Bozeman, Alabama
159.RAIDERSRB AKRUM WADLEY, IOWA
160.Packers (DEN)G Colby Gossett, Appalachian State
161.PanthersC Will Clapp, LSU
162.Steelers (TEN)RB Bo Scarbrough, Alabama
163.RedskinsWR J'Mon Moore, Missouri
164.SaintsSS Siran Neal, Jacksonville State
165.Titans (PIT)TE Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
166.BillsDT Deadrin Senat, South Florida
167.Rams (MIN)OLB Marquis Haynes, Ole Miss
168.Cardinals (SEA)T Alex Cappa, Humboldt State
169.PACKERS (PHI)DE TYQUAN LEWIS, OHIO STATE
170.Dolphins (CIN)WR Jaleel Scott, NM State
171.CowboysTE Christopher Herndon, Miami
172.PackersILB Oren Burks, Vanderbilt
173.Packers (OAK)QB Luke Falk, Washington State
174.Vikings (GB)WR Auden Tate, Florida State

TRADES:
Rams trade 5th Round (#144) to Vikings for 5th Round (#167) and 6th Round (#204)
Packers trade 5th Round (#149) to Ravens for 5th Round (#154) and 6th Round (#215)
Dolphins trade 5th Round (#151) to Texans for two 6th Round (#177 and #211)
Cardinals trade 5th Round (#152) to Seahawks for 5th Round (#168) and 2019 6th Round Pick
Packers trade two 5th Round (#153 and #154) to Eagles for two 5th Round (#156 and #169) and 6th Round (#206)
Titans trade 5th Round (#162) to Steelers for 5th Round (#165) and 7th Round (#246)
Packers trade 5th Round (#174) to Vikings for three 6th Round (#213, #218 & 2019)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 20, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
Florida has a chance at an obscure 'thing' - getting a kicker and punter drafted in the same year.  Hasn't happened since the mid-90s, and not since the draft shortened to 7 rounds.

This will probably be the fewest players UF will have drafted in the last number of years.  Ick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 21, 2018, 12:11:02 PM
Good to see Hurst is evidently okay.
if he slips into the 2nd round, whoever drafts him is going to get a heck of a deal. wouldn't mind seeing the Browns draft Bradley Chubb in the 1st to team up with Myles Garrett and then take Hurst early in the 2nd rd. Talk about the foundation of a beastly DL.
If I'm the Browns I take Chubb with the 1st pick. If they take Josh Allen with that pick.....omg.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: SuperMario on April 21, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
There’s nearly a zero percent chance the Browns take Barkley at 1. They will take a qb and either Chubb or Fitz at 4 depending on what happens at the #2 spot.

#1 will be Darnold or the flag planting sooner.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 21, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
There’s nearly a zero percent chance the Browns take Barkley at 1. They will take a qb and either Chubb or Fitz at 4 depending on what happens at the #2 spot.

#1 will be Darnold or the flag planting sooner.
more I think about it, I think Browns should take Chubb first. He's the best pass rusher in this draft. 6'4+, 268 lbs and ran 4.65 at the combine. That's booking it for a guy his size. Pair him with Myles Garrett and you've got the foundation for a terrorizing DL for years to come. In the NFL you need an elite QB or an elite pass rush to win it all. Having both is obviously ideal but not realistic unless you get lucky in the draft.
Browns should take Chubb 1st, then the best player available at the 4th pick. I think Rosen is more of a sure thing than Darnold or Mayfield, but he refuses to go to Cleveland. Can't say I blame him. Between Darnold and Mayfield, I think I'd take Darnold. Probably a safer pick. The bust potential is really high with Mayfield imo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2018, 08:39:19 AM
I'd be stunned if Key and Chark from LSU aren't drafted appreciably higher than you have them.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 23, 2018, 02:50:27 PM
6th Round

175.49ers (CLE)WR Antonio Callaway, Florida
176.RAMSILB JASON CABINDA, PENN STATE
177.Dolphins (HOU)OLB Davin Bellamy, Georgia
178.ColtsG Skyler Phillips, Idaho State
179.JetsT Toby Weathersby, LSU
180.Rams (TB)CB Parry Nickerson, Tulane
181.BearsRB Ito Smith, Southern Miss
182.CARDINALSSS DAMON WEBB, OHIO STATE
183.RamsDE Hercules Mata'afa, Washington State
184.Browns (SF)WR Trey Quinn, SMU
185.Packers (OAK)FS Jeremy Reaves, South Alabama
186.PACKERSC BRIAN ALLEN, MICHIGAN STATE
187.BillsILB Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
188.BrownsSS Tre Flowers, Oklahoma State
189.SAINTSOLB LEON JACOBS, WISCONSIN
190.RavensQB Riley Ferguson, Memphis
191.ChargersQB Chase Litton, Marshall
192.CowboysRB Roc Thomas, Jacksonville State
193.COWBOYSC SEAN WELSH, IOWA
194.BUCCANEERS (LAR)RB JUSTIN JACKSON, NORTHWESTERN
195.RamsRB Darrel Williams, LSU
196.RamsG Tony Adams, NC State
197.PanthersFS NATRELL JAMERSON, WISCONSIN
198.Bengals (NE via MIA)RB Phillip Lindsay, Colorado
199.TitansWR Korey Robertson, Southern Miss
200.Bills (ATL)DE Trevon Young, Louisville
201.SaintsCB Darius Phillips, Western Michigan
202.BuccaneersWR Jordan Lasley, UCLA
203.JaguarsDE Kentavius Street, NC State
204.RAMS (MIN)SS TROY APKE, PENN STATE
205.RedskinsOLB Matthew Thomas, Florida State
206.Packers (PHI)TE Tyler Conklin, Central Michigan
207.PackersT Greg Senat, Wagner
208.CowboysG Taylor Hearn, Clemson
209.ChiefsDE Ade Aruna, Tulane
210.Jaguars (NE)ILB Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Western Kentucky
211.Dolphins (HOU)G Sam Jones, Arizona State
212.RaidersOLB MIKE MCCRAY, MICHIGAN
213.Packers (MIN)K Daniel Carlson, Auburn
214.TexansWR Byron Pringle, Kansas State
215.Packers (BAL)CB Tony Brown, Alabama
216.RaidersDE Olasunkanmi Adeniyi, Toledo
217.RaidersQB Kurt Benkert, Virginia
218.Packers (MIN)WR Richie James, Middle Tennessee

TRADES:

Browns trade 6th round pick (#175) to 49ers for 6th Round pick (#184) and 7th Round pick (#223)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on April 23, 2018, 05:15:25 PM
outside of fitz #4 to browns, would love this mock for bama players.

for browns, they need to drop back and rack up picks with both top5 picks, imo. unless the want to take chubb at 4 (if they can). they need so much, 1/2 players aren't going to make them a contender. they need more solid foundation to build on.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 23, 2018, 07:03:21 PM
RTF - Browns fans have been saying that for quite some time.Problem was the former GM's ended up screwing up 4 draft picks instead of two.But like moths to a flame we stay dialed in.Law of averages says John Dorsey will get us off the mat.Wavering like hell on Huey however
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 23, 2018, 09:35:42 PM
I'm doubtful anyone will take a flyer on Antonio Callaway WR Florida.  Hasn't played in a year and had issues before the credit fraud thing.  Maybe if he was another Randy Moss or something, but he's not.  He's good/not great.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 23, 2018, 10:29:35 PM
-Even if they have to reach into the 3rd round to get him, I'd love to see the steelers to forgo an ILB in round and grab Shaquem Griffin. He's the closest thing to Shazier in the draft. ILBs always a year of seasoning anyway, might as well get the arguably the best athlete in the draft in a position you need. 

-granted it was only the Sr. bowl where I watched him but Lauletta (QB Richmond) looks like he could be quite good. 

-Brian O'Neill in the 3rd-4th is a steal. He's going to be good pro for 10-12 years.

-other Pitt player Jordan Whitehead could potentially be a star. he had the talent to be an all-american safety but never really blossomed there. kind of a weird player, he was arguably Pitt's best player on offense last year. 

-I also think Lazard (WR ISU) can be a really good player. sure he doesn't get much (any?) seperation but despite that no one could stop him
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 23, 2018, 10:40:08 PM
Tell you what, I'd rather have Lamar Jackson in the middle or late 1st than one of the other QB's early. I think Rosen will be the best of the bunch and he's most ready to plug and play. I question Mayfield's size and maturity, not his game. I think his game translates a lot better to the next level than Johnny Foosballs ever did. Mayfield can really play. It's everything else you question. Whoever takes Josh Allen high is just an idiot buying into hype IMO. Darnold seems to me like Andrew Luck light. Not quite as good and the ceiling isn't quite as high as Luck but he also comes with a little bit of turnover-itis like Luck did.
I think the only QB I'd take in the 1st is Rosen. He's as close to a sure thing as there is in this draft. If I'm spending a high 1st round pick at QB, I want to be sure. Jackson probably has the highest upside just based on his freakish athletic ability and his cannon arm.
If Lamar learns to run correctly yea he's the best QB in the IMO. By correctly I mean don't be fearless (like RG3), run and scramble like Russel Wilson. One of the main reasons why Russel rarely gets hurt despite his size and playing behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history is because defenders rarely/never get a clean shot on him. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 01:50:40 PM
7th Round

219.PATRIOTSQB TANNER LEE, NEBRASKA
220.SteelersCB Avonte Maddox, Pittsburgh
221.Rams (IND)FB Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
222.TexansOLB Peter Kalambayi, Stanford
223.BROWNS (SF)T NICK GATES, NEBRASKA
224.BearsG K.C. McDermott, Miami
225.VikingsDE Marcell Frazier, Missouri
226.SeahawksWR Javon Wims, Georgia
227.DolphinsRB Jordan Wilkins, Ole Miss
228.RaidersTE Jordan Akins, Central Florida
229.DolphinsFS Van Smith, Clemson
230.JaguarsRB Chase Edmonds, Fordham
231.RedskinsG Jamil Demby, Maine
232.PackersDT P.J. Hall, Sam Houston State
233.CHIEFSOLB GARRETT DOOLEY, WISCONSIN
234.PANTHERSG BRENDAN MAHON, PENN STATE
235.JetsRB Justin Crawford, West Virginia
236.Dolphins (DAL)DE Joe Ostman, Central Michigan
237.LionsWR Daurice Fountain, Northern Iowa
238.CardinalsT Timon Parris, Stony Brook
239.PackersTE Ryan Izzo, Florida State
240.49ersSS Tracy Walker, UL Lafayette
241.RedskinsILB Andre Smith, North Carolina
242.PanthersT Cole Madison, Washington State
243.ChiefsT Brett Toth, Army
244.FalconsOLB Ja'Von Rolland-Jones, Arkansas State
245.SaintsFS Stephen Roberts, Auburn
246.Titans (PIT)C Austin Golson, Auburn
247.JaguarsFS Tavarius Moore, Southern Miss
248.SeahawksTE Will Dissly, Washington
249.BengalsSS Tray Matthews, Auburn
250.SEAHAWKSOLB CHRIS WORLEY, OHIO STATE
251.ChargersILB Kenny Young, UCLA
252.BengalsDT Bilal Nichols, Delaware
253.BENGALSTE MARCUS BAUGH, OHIO STATE
254.CardinalsG Rod Taylor, Ole Miss
255.BuccaneersOLB Skai Moore, South Carolina
256.FalconsG Jaryd Jones-Smith, Pittsburgh
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Highest Undrafted Player on my Big Board: CB Taron Johnson, Weber State (#186)

Highest Big Ten: CB Christian Campbell, Penn State (#200)

Best Undrafted QB: Logan Woodside, Toledo (#270)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 24, 2018, 05:40:26 PM
The Browns have now signaled that they are interested in every single QB. Unless their front office is totally clueless (not a stretch) plus given that the current front offices MO is stockpiling picks, they already know who they are taking and want to trade the #4. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on April 24, 2018, 06:41:35 PM
The Browns have now signaled that they are interested in every single QB. Unless their front office is totally clueless (not a stretch) plus given that the current front offices MO is stockpiling picks, they already know who they are taking and want to trade the #4.
You do know that Sashi Brown (the one known for accumulating draft picks) is no longer the GM and the John Dorsey is now the GM and is NOT known for stockpiling picks. :73:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 25, 2018, 12:16:39 AM
I'm doubtful anyone will take a flyer on Antonio Callaway WR Florida.  Hasn't played in a year and had issues before the credit fraud thing.  Maybe if he was another Randy Moss or something, but he's not.  He's good/not great.
Starting to think you might be right
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23307633/wr-prospect-antonio-callaway-tested-positive-marijuana-combine
Too bad for him too.  It's a weak WR crop, he could have been the first one taken.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 25, 2018, 01:28:59 AM
Yup
Title: !
Post by: rook119 on April 25, 2018, 07:50:40 PM
You do know that Sashi Brown (the one known for accumulating draft picks) is no longer the GM and the John Dorsey is now the GM and is NOT known for stockpiling picks. :73:
I forgot they fired another GM until today. Still its great strategy. We're the Browns! Admit it Bills and Cards, you can't be 100% sure that we aren't crazy enough to draft 2 QBs. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 26, 2018, 09:13:38 AM
Schefter saying the growing belief is that the Browns will take Mayfield?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 26, 2018, 09:19:24 AM
I think they are taking Darnold and I think Dorsey is telling different people in the organization different things to see who is leaking stuff.  Everyone is leaking stuff, which is why there is a new QB they are taking each day.  It's Game of Thrones in the Browns front office.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on April 26, 2018, 10:28:28 AM
Starting to think you might be right
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23307633/wr-prospect-antonio-callaway-tested-positive-marijuana-combine
Too bad for him too.  It's a weak WR crop, he could have been the first one taken.
on a similar note, listening to sports radio here in ttown they've been saying ridley will be the top wr taken most likely, and maybe only 1 in rd 1.

ridley is good, but i don't think he's #1 wr, though i know few other wrs in draft. if he is, this is a very weak wr group. i wouldn't draft him in 1st rd, maybe late 2nd. he's not amari cooper and certainly not julio.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 26, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
I think they are taking Darnold and I think Dorsey is telling different people in the organization different things to see who is leaking stuff.  Everyone is leaking stuff, which is why there is a new QB they are taking each day.  It's Game of Thrones in the Browns front office.
If NFL teams were Houses in GoT, the Browns would be House Tully.  Someone else's bitch, causing problems, no power of their own, and their only importance is their location in the greater landscape of things.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 26, 2018, 10:52:54 AM
Whichever one is most likely to be a complete and total bust that flames out after about a half a dozen starts, that's the one that the Clowns are going to pick. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on April 26, 2018, 12:14:43 PM
Whichever one is most likely to be a complete and total bust that flames out after about a half a dozen starts, that's the one that the Clowns are going to pick.
as is tradition
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 26, 2018, 12:43:56 PM

The Browns are an illustration of what a franchise looks like when the front office is run entirely by public opinion. 

"We want the back up QB!" 

**put in the back up QB**

"This guy sucks! Get him outta here!" 

**QB gets benched, released**

Wash, rinse, repeat. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 26, 2018, 01:26:14 PM
Ya know over 8 seasons 1950-'57 the Browns appeared in the NFL Championship game 7 X going 3-4.Losing to Surprise the Lions 3X.They also won in '64 and lost in '65 - last NFL CG before the Super Bowl.So they went to the Championship game 9X in 15 years going 4-5.Of Course My dad,uncles & brothers all caught up in this.Every year Cleveland  was 1-2-3 in attendance.I saw some good but not great teams.I remember Chris Berman talking about Paul Brown's teams.What has happened has been a complete lack of common sense and focus.NE Ohio has always had very strong football bonds.Betcha didn't know Akron won the 1st (what was to become)NFL Championship.Then the venerable Canton Bulldogs won a couple back to back shortly after.Then the Cleveland Bulldogs won.The NFL's 1st five seasons 3 N.E.Ohio teams won 4 of the Champioships ;D .Chicago won the other one.I don't like my favorite team losing but it pisses me off to no end that GM's & coaches have walked away millionaires in the process  :41:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on April 26, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
I don't get closing the book on Kiser already.  Go get two solid pieces to pit around him.  I think he can be a top 12-15 QB like a Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins.  That's good enough to win if he's still on his rookie contract like the Seahawks did.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on April 26, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
Do you guys get email/text/calls during/after the draft from your NFL honk friends asking for your opinion on such and such guy that their team drafted?   This can get annoying.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 26, 2018, 04:25:16 PM
I'm thankful to not have any friends like that. I used to...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 26, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
I'm thankful to not have any friends like that. I used to...
Purdue usually doesn't have any players drafted high enough to get attention from any friends like that I *do* have.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on April 26, 2018, 04:46:50 PM
I get asked about anybody, not just Nebraska.  They know I sit and watch college all day on 3 TVs, so surely I have an opinion on some Mtn West TE.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 26, 2018, 04:57:37 PM
I don't get closing the book on Kiser already.  Go get two solid pieces to pit around him.  I think he can be a top 12-15 QB like a Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins.  That's good enough to win if he's still on his rookie contract like the Seahawks did.
Kizer was making school yard decisions repeatedly with his throwing.It was odd his two best games from a mistake perspective were the 1st & last games of the season vs Pittsburgh.Browns would have have beat the Steelers,Kizer threw a beautiful pass inside the 10 and previous 1st round pick Corey Coleman drops the ball right in his hands.Way too many times throwing into horrendous traffic.It's common sense if 3-4 defenders are on one guy others are open.Whether he doesn't see the field or just panics and rushes his throws he had time to throw over all.He led the league with 22 picks
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2018, 04:59:57 PM
happens to me all the time

I'm more than a few guy's "phone a friend" when it comes to football

if I only knew a 3rd of what most of them think I know

I'm decent with Husker football, but severely lacking on all other subjects
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on April 26, 2018, 06:47:29 PM
Kizer was making school yard decisions repeatedly with his throwing.It was odd his two best games from a mistake perspective were the 1st & last games of the season vs Pittsburgh.Browns would have have beat the Steelers,Kizer threw a beautiful pass inside the 10 and previous 1st round pick Corey Coleman drops the ball right in his hands.Way too many times throwing into horrendous traffic.It's common sense if 3-4 defenders are on one guy others are open.Whether he doesn't see the field or just panics and rushes his throws he had time to throw over all.He led the league with 22 picks
Kizer was definitely a turnover waiting to happen. That said, Hue did him no favors. Never adapted his offense to the players rather insisting the Kizer adapt to his offense. Kizer had no chance to develop and get better with Hue's play calling.
Hopefully Halley is going to have control over the offense and Hue is just a "manager". Personally if the choice was between Sashi and Hue, I would have fired Hue.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 26, 2018, 08:41:32 PM
2 B1G in the first four
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 26, 2018, 09:08:40 PM
Browns with a very Browns draft.

Mayfield is a gamble at #1 overall and Ward is a good player but #4 seems really high. Chubb would've been the better pick. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 26, 2018, 09:15:32 PM
I agree,Mayfield couldn't outrun that fat cop.I agree also on Ward he's only 5'10" but talented.Chubb would have been a game changer
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 26, 2018, 09:19:23 PM
I get asked about anybody, not just Nebraska.  They know I sit and watch college all day on 3 TVs, so surely I have an opinion on some Mtn West TE.
Yeah, my friends know I can give a blurb on just about anyone in college football.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on April 27, 2018, 05:46:28 AM
I know Cleveland is going to Cleveland but what were the Giants thinking in passing up on Rosen? He would've made for a perfect successor to Eli Manning and his confidence fits well in the obnoxious NYC sports market. Stoked Rosen fell to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 07:57:11 AM
I don't profess NFL expertise, but when the Browns take a QB at 1, you kinda think he'll bust.

Sony Michel was a good pick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 08:01:25 AM
First time three Dawgs picked in Round One.  I see Bama had 4 picks, which is why Bama is good.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on April 27, 2018, 08:22:23 AM
The Browns front office is filled with morons. They waste the #1 pick on Mayfield. They could have taken him at #4 as he still would have been there. The smart pick would have been either Barkley or Chubb #1 and then pick a QB at #4. Between Darnold, Rosin and Mayfield, one of them would still be on the board.

Personally, I see Mayfield as this years Johnny Manzel. Many of the same flaws. I knew the Browns would go after him, that is what they do. Find the biggest head case in the Draft and make them their number 1 pick. Winslow, Manzel and now Mayfield. It's no wonder they are 1-31 over the last 2 seasons.

From 11 Warriors:

Giving the Browns two picks of the top four picks is like handing your divorced buddy with bad credit $500 before entering a casino.

That pretty well sums up the Browns. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
I think Mayfield is less likely to bust than Manziel, but still fairly likely.  Manziel was a 99.99% bust.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on April 27, 2018, 10:01:44 AM
Browns = epic fail.

At least they grabbed a Buckeye.

Vegas: Will the Browns get a Win or an Arrest first.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 10:18:52 AM

The Browns should officially change their name to the Clowns, and just roll with it from this point forward. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on April 27, 2018, 10:30:10 AM
Personally I find the comparisons of Mayfield to Manziel lazy. Do any kind of research and you find they are not alike.

I am more than happy with the Mayfield pick. Other than his height, he has everything you need in a QB. Statistically and all the analytics he is head and shoulders over the other QBs. On top of that is his competitiveness is through the roof. And even with the height issue, he had fewer passes batted down than the other 3 QBs

As to Ward vs Chubb. I probably gone with Chubb, but Ward is a good pick there for need. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
I'm guessing Mayfield is the best QB in the class, but I'm just guessing

just because a QB doesn't play well in Cleveland doesn't mean the QB can't play well
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
I bet there is a decent correlation between number of 5 star recruits and first round selections.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
I'm guessing Mayfield is the best QB in the class, but I'm just guessing

just because a QB doesn't play well in Cleveland doesn't mean the QB can't play well
What is an example of a QB that went onto play at a high level, after an unsuccessful stint with the Browns? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on April 27, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
I think Mayfield is less likely to bust than Manziel, but still fairly likely.  Manziel was a 99.99% bust.
agree with this. much of that has to do with the team that selected him.
not really a fan of any of the qb's this draft, tbh.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 27, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
As a long-suffering Browns fan I'm not happy with this year's draft.  

IMHO:  A high pick (like the Browns' #1 and #4 picks) is great for a good-but-not-great team that needs to focus on one particular area of weakness in order to improve to the point of being a Super Bowl contender.  

The Browns went 1-31 over the past two years.  They do not need to focus on one particular area of weakness, they need help nearly everywhere.  In that situation the best thing to do with a high pick is to trade it down for multiple first/second round picks this year and next.  

The NFL Draft is an art, not a science.  Even the best draft experts make mistakes from time to time.  The Browns can ill afford to make mistakes.  As such, they would have been better off to trade down to get more picks.  With more picks the mistakes are more likely to balance out with the homeruns.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
What is an example of a QB that went onto play at a high level, after an unsuccessful stint with the Browns?
example?  you want an example???
just wait until Johnny numb nuts gets back in the league
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 27, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
Browns kinda bungled the hit. Again.

Ward will be a good player but not sure he was worthy of the #4 pick. 

They should've taken Chubb who is a freak athlete at 6'4+, 268 and runs 4.65. He was the best pass rusher in this draft. They had an opportunity to have Garett and Chubb as their book-ends under rookie deals for the next 4-5 years. And they blew it. 

With the #4 pick they should've taken Roquan Smith of Georgia. He's going to be a sure-fire stud at LB for years to come. 

Fortify the front 7 with speed and guys with rush ability and that goes a long way.

Really two ways to win in the NFL now. You have to have an elite QB or elite pass rush to disrupt the QB. You take Mayfield if you think he's going to be a Brady or Rodgers. I don't think he's going to be that good unfortunately.

Elway learned this lesson and built a terrifying defense with Von Miller and Demarcus Ware that won his team a Super Bowl. That's why he passed on the other QBs at 5 and went with Chubb.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 01:39:54 PM
I would nearly always trade down for more picks under the principle I'm not smart enough to select the "sure fire" guys in the top ten.  I also would draft big uglies first, and then LBs and DBs and THEN offensive backs.  Even an average running back in the NFL is exceptionally good and will be fine behind a great OL.

Those two ND OLs had a rough game against UGA.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 27, 2018, 03:54:34 PM
As to Ward vs Chubb. I probably gone with Chubb, but Ward is a good pick there for need.
.Well Dorsey did trade that DB to NE creating that need a good line can make the backfield look good rather than the other way around.Elway has done a good job in Denver and they sucked up Chubb pretty quickly.Would have grabbed Darnold with the 1st pick,Mayfield had maybe the best line in CFB.The left tackle was what 6'7" but the Browns have a decent line.Evidently the last DB to be taken that high was Charles Woodson 20 yrs ago.Ward has top end speed.Browns should pick both sides of the line and build out from there.I give the Browns a "C" in the 1st round,hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 27, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
I would nearly always trade down for more picks under the principle I'm not smart enough to select the "sure fire" guys in the top ten.  
I agree and it isn't just that you or I aren't smart enough.  There are a lot of things that are difficult or impossible to measure.  Even the best draft experts screw up sometimes.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 27, 2018, 04:18:44 PM
I would nearly always trade down for more picks under the principle I'm not smart enough to select the "sure fire" guys in the top ten.  I also would draft big uglies first, and then LBs and DBs and THEN offensive backs.  Even an average running back in the NFL is exceptionally good and will be fine behind a great OL.

Those two ND OLs had a rough game against UGA.
Maybe, I dunno.  Nelson's blitz pickup against Georgia is one of his highlight plays.  It was impressive, for a guard to annihilate a blitzer on the other side of a play.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 04:21:46 PM
One play out of 60......cool.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 04:31:42 PM


Those two ND OLs had a rough game against UGA.
I had to go check NDs record and final ranking last season.
If you have a guard and tackle worthy of top of the 1st round, really shouldn't lose too many college games
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 27, 2018, 05:09:32 PM
PFT commenter's draft profile on Darrell Ward

-zero fake Urban Meyer heart attacks while playing at Ohio State

I admit it, I'm sold. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 27, 2018, 05:12:25 PM
Mayfield reminds me a lot of Brees. A lot of the NFL "measurables" weren't there, and he was a bit of a gunslinger in college, but he seemed to make his team better. He seems like the type that will play with that chip on his shoulder. Also agree that the Manziel comparison didn't really fit. Manziel was a scrambler who kinda played QB. Mayfield is a QB through and through.

Granted, the Browns may ruin him; it's what they do. 

Also, I didn't really watch Oklahoma this year. So maybe I'm talking out of my posterior.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 27, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
Rosen is making friends already, huh?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: HailHailMSP on April 27, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
The Mayfield = Manziel and Allen = Wentz statements are too cheap and easy for me.

I think we'll find that both are quite a bit different than their annointed predecessors. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Vince Young don't read so good.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 08:26:00 PM
but, he's employed and getting paid
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 27, 2018, 09:22:53 PM
Steelers pretty much traded Martavius Bryant for James Washington. 

That'll do. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 27, 2018, 10:07:50 PM
The Lions drafted a player in round 3 with "oily hips". 

I have no idea what this means. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:17:26 PM
canola oil
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 28, 2018, 07:51:44 AM
One play out of 60......cool.  
I mean...what are you expecting.  He's a guard.  Don't usually find many highlight plays there.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 28, 2018, 03:44:15 PM
  Even the best draft experts make mistakes from time to time.  The Browns can ill afford to make mistakes.  As such, they would have been better off to trade down to get more picks.  With more picks the mistakes are more likely to balance out with the homeruns.  
That's been a lot of the belief around here for quite sometime.Kind of hoping the Universal law of averages kicks in at some point:-[
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 28, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
The Lions drafted a player in round 3 with "oily hips".

I have no idea what this means.
Prolly a Police term to go a long with "sticky fingers"
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 28, 2018, 03:49:59 PM
The Browns should officially change their name to the Clowns, and just roll with it from this point forward.
Might work could be intimidating in a freaky/creepy kind of way
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 28, 2018, 03:54:55 PM
just wait until Johnny numb nuts gets back in the league
:D As what?A Las Vegas tour guide or a substance abuse counselor?Or just a fine example of a bad example
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 28, 2018, 04:16:23 PM
I agree and it isn't just that you or I aren't smart enough.  There are a lot of things that are difficult or impossible to measure.  Even the best draft experts screw up sometimes.  
That is a better way to put it, especially for skill position players.  RBs and WRs USUALLY pan out, but QBs flame out often
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: rook119 on April 28, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
Wut? Lazard didn't even get drafted? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 12:39:04 PM
Well, no one wanted Florida's kicker, who led the nation in FG% and didn't miss from 50+ in both years at UF.  

Surprise #1:  someone drafted WR Antonio Callaway
Surprise #2:  it was the Browns - the last franchise in need of making risky picks
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
2018 Rookie Free Agent Signings - B10 (and Florida):

Cardinals-
DE Alec James, Wisconsin
FB Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin

Falcons-
FB Luke McNitt, Nebraska
OL Dorian Miller, Rutgers
CB Joseph Putu, Florida - he hardly even played at UF
TE Nate Wozniak, Wisconsin

Ravens-
LB James Crawford, Illinois
RB Gus Edwards, Rutgers

Bills-
OL Ike Boettger, Iowa
K Tyler Davis, Penn St

Panthers-
LB Chris Frey Jr, Michigan St
OL Brendan Mahon, Penn St
DL Tracy Sprinkle, Ohio St

Bears-
DE Cavon Walker, Maryland

Bengals-
LB Chris Worley, Ohio St

Browns-
OL Christian DiLauro, Illinois

Cowboys-
DB Kyle Queiro, Northwestern
and 3 Iowa St guys?

Lions-
TE DeAndre Goolsby, Florida
DL Michael Hill, Ohio St
DB Chris Jones, Nebraska
K/P Ryan Santoso, Minnesota

Packers-
DL Tyler Lancaster, Northwestern

Texans-
DL Kingsley Opara, Maryland

Colts-
K Michael Badgley, Michigan
QB J.T. Barrett, Ohio St

Chiefs-
LB Ben Niemann, Iowa

Chargers-
DT Steven Richardson, Minnesota

Rams-
LB Tegray Scales, Indiana

Dolphins-
LB Mike McCray, Michigan
OL David Steinmetz, Purdue

Vikings-
DL Curtis Cothran, Penn St
LB Garret Dooley, Wisconsin
TE Tyler Hoppes, Nebraska

Patriots-
CB J.C. Jackson, Maryland

Giants-
OL Nick Gates, Nebraska
CB Grant Haley, Penn St

Jets took 3 Auburn guys

Raiders-
TE Marcus Baugh, Ohio St
WR Saeed Blacknall, Penn St
LB Jason Cabinda, Penn St
K  Eddie Pineiro, Florida
DB Nick Washington, Florida

Eagles-
LB Danny Ezechukwu, Purdue

Steelers-
DT Parker Cothren, Penn St

Seahawks-
DT Eddy Wilson, Purdue

Buccaneers-
S  Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern

Titans-
DB Joshua Kalu, Nebraska
RB Akrum Wadley, Iowa
S  Damon Webb, Ohio St

Washington-
WR Simmie Cobbs, Indiana
WR De'Mornay Pierson-El, Nebraska
G  Sean Walsh, Iowa

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 29, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
Personally I find the comparisons of Mayfield to Manziel lazy. Do any kind of research and you find they are not alike.

This.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 05:39:18 PM
Mayfield had 2 of the 3 best yards-per-attempt seasons in the history of college football.  That's not nothing.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2018, 06:56:21 PM
Well, no one wanted Florida's kicker, who led the nation in FG% and didn't miss from 50+ in both years at UF.  

To clarify, Minnesota did re-sign kicker Kai Forbath on a one-year deal in free agency. The Vikings used pick No. 167, which they acquired from the Jets, to land Daniel Carlson, a kicker from Auburn. Minnesota made 87% of extra point tries last season, which is ranked 31st in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 09:34:10 PM
Pineiro is a Raider now.  

That Auburn guy was okay, but I don't know why he was drafted, based on production.  He made more kicks, but missed a lot more, too. 

The real mystery to me is why the Dolphins drafted a kicker from New Mexico.  Albuquerque is higher in elevation than Denver is.  I'm not sure you want that guy kicking at sea level.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
seems the Vikings could have got a kicker in a later round
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 30, 2018, 03:32:28 AM
ASU had a kicker drafted last season (he was the Lou Groza winner and NCAA all time leader for most points scored by a kicker), had a decent rookie season too. He'll only get better though, so I still say the Browns were smart to draft him. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on April 30, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
Personally I find the comparisons of Mayfield to Manziel lazy. Do any kind of research and you find they are not alike.

I'm not comparing their physical abilities, I'm comparing their attitudes. From what I have seen, they are both head cases. I may be wrong, but I don't see much daylight between the two in that regard. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Riffraft on May 01, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
.Well Dorsey did trade that DB to NE creating that need a good line can make the backfield look good rather than the other way around.Elway has done a good job in Denver and they sucked up Chubb pretty quickly.Would have grabbed Darnold with the 1st pick,Mayfield had maybe the best line in CFB.The left tackle was what 6'7" but the Browns have a decent line.Evidently the last DB to be taken that high was Charles Woodson 20 yrs ago.Ward has top end speed.Browns should pick both sides of the line and build out from there.I give the Browns a "C" in the 1st round,hope I'm wrong
I am fairly sold that Ogbah is going to be a very good Edge guy to complement Garrett. He was looking very good before his injury last season. A press CB was more of a need than an edge 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 03, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
I'm not comparing their physical abilities, I'm comparing their attitudes. From what I have seen, they are both head cases. I may be wrong, but I don't see much daylight between the two in that regard.
Agreed. 
Baker is a way better passer and QB than Manziel could ever dream of being. The comparisons to me have been about personality and off-field. Not their game on the field. Baker is much better. 
I just don't think you take someone with major immaturity issues #1 overall at QB. Usually not a recipe for success. You can deal with immaturity at almost every other position. Except QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 03, 2018, 11:20:41 AM
call me crazy but I think the Raiders might've had the best draft. 

They got Martavis Bryant in a trade for basically nothing. He's going to be plug and play and produce right away opposite Amari Cooper and Jordy Nelson. 

What's the best way to improve a defense? Add pass rushers. They already had arguably the best pass rusher in football in Khalil Mack. They went out and stole Arden Key in the 3rd rd and Mo Hurst in the 5th. Those two guys will be impact players as rookies and provide the Raiders with plenty of pressure opposite Mack. Kinda blows my mind that Key was there in the 3rd and Hurst in the 5th. Both the biggest steals of the draft if you ask me. Insane value at the 3rd and 5th rds. Both of them should've been 1st rd picks and are WAY better than most of the picks that went 1st rd.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
Key was drafted so low because he only tried hard about 20% of the snaps.  Either they can fix that or they can't.  
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on May 03, 2018, 03:20:46 PM
Browns kinda bungled the hit. Again.

The Bengals bungle stuff.
The Browns ... just suck.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 04:34:04 PM
call me crazy but I think the Raiders might've had the best draft.

They got Martavis Bryant in a trade for basically nothing. He's going to be plug and play and produce right away opposite Amari Cooper and Jordy Nelson.

What's the best way to improve a defense? Add pass rushers. They already had arguably the best pass rusher in football in Khalil Mack. They went out and stole Arden Key in the 3rd rd and Mo Hurst in the 5th. Those two guys will be impact players as rookies and provide the Raiders with plenty of pressure opposite Mack. Kinda blows my mind that Key was there in the 3rd and Hurst in the 5th. Both the biggest steals of the draft if you ask me. Insane value at the 3rd and 5th rds. Both of them should've been 1st rd picks and are WAY better than most of the picks that went 1st rd.
Obliged. Yer nuts.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 03, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
(https://d3ham790trbkqy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/david-knevel-2017-1-800x451.jpg)
Nebraska OL David Knevel is projected to go in the second round of tonights CFL Draft. :PDT_Armataz_01_37:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcTDfz5XUAE4-7p.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 03, 2018, 06:27:02 PM
Obliged. Yer nuts.
I don't know of one team who got better value.
They traded a 4th rd pick I believe to the Steelers for WR Martavis Bryant. Bryant is a legit 6'4, 210+ and runs in the 4.4's. He also is only 26 with only 3 seasons of NFL wear on tear on his body as he was suspended all of 2016. He'll produce more than any WR in this draft in 2018, and imo he was better than any WR in this draft. He just is. This was a really bad WR draft.
Arden Key and Mo Hurst are both big-time talents that they stole. Key had issues with marijuana and went to rehab. Hurst's heart condition never cost him to miss a snap and he was medically cleared by both Michigan and Harvard. Both of these guys will be big-time and got drafted way lower than they should have.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 07:42:26 PM
I don't know of one team who got better value.
They traded a 4th rd pick I believe to the Steelers for WR Martavis Bryant. Bryant is a legit 6'4, 210+ and runs in the 4.4's. He also is only 26 with only 3 seasons of NFL wear on tear on his body as he was suspended all of 2016. He'll produce more than any WR in this draft in 2018, and imo he was better than any WR in this draft. He just is. This was a really bad WR draft.
Arden Key and Mo Hurst are both big-time talents that they stole. Key had issues with marijuana and went to rehab. Hurst's heart condition never cost him to miss a snap and he was medically cleared by both Michigan and Harvard. Both of these guys will be big-time and got drafted way lower than they should have.
Bryant is undeniably talented. He's also too big for his britches. Wanted to act like he was the king dog in Philly, surrounded by Big Ben, Antonio Brown, and Leveon Bell. When he couldn't even beat out JuJu Smith-Schuster.
Key had substance issues? Hurst had a medical condition?
Sounds like with all three of these players, they're betting on them turning out to their potential and not becoming head cases once they're millionaires [or in Bryant's case, that he'll suddenly stop being a head case].
Perhaps all three will pan out and be great. But I'm betting that the environments of Oakland and Las Vegas are probably going to end up being distractions for guys like Bryant and Key...

Edit: Pittsburgh  not Philly. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
^^^ Nailed.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 10:53:45 PM
Yeah, all 3 of those players were valued how they were for a reason.  You cite Bryant's lack of wear and tear, but want to give a pass to the why behind it? lol

Go to Vegas and put your money down on 3 longshots all hitting.....and good luck.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2018, 07:58:30 AM
They went out and stole Arden Key in the 3rd rd and Mo Hurst in the 5th. Kinda blows my mind that Key was there in the 3rd and Hurst in the 5th.
Kinda of a head scratcher Hurst dropped below the 2nd.There were reports evidently he had some weird heart condition or sumsuch.If his ticker is not a problem then that's a great pick there IMO
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2018, 08:15:11 AM
 

Surprise #1:  someone drafted WR Antonio Callaway
Surprise #2:  it was the Browns - the last franchise in need of making risky picks
I'm sure Josh Gordon will show him around  ~???  .Surprised Simmie Cobbs went undrafted.Maybe I caught too many highlight replays.Scouting report says he looks great one play the grate another
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 10:34:35 AM

So a grand total of two Big Ten players were selected in the CFL Draft (https://www.cfl.ca/draft-tracker/2018/) last night. 

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Round 3


21BCKNEVEL, DAVID 
NEBRASKA 
READ (https://www.cfl.ca/2017/08/30/knevel-headlines-central-scouting-bureau-september-rankings/)
OL6'93051994-10-18
.

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Round 5


43TORHARRINGTON, SEAN 
MICHIGAN STATE 
LB6'02281995-09-01
.
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Note: Only Canadian players are eligible for the CFL Draft. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 10:36:42 AM

Nebraska OL David Knevel is projected to go in the second round of tonights CFL Draft. :PDT_Armataz_01_37:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcTDfz5XUAE4-7p.jpg)
fell to the 3rd round - ton of potential, probably just didn't work hard enough

at 6-9, 333lbs how do you only rep 225 on the bench 16 times?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: ELA on May 04, 2018, 10:44:57 AM
I have never heard of Sean Harrington
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 10:53:04 AM
I have never heard of Sean Harrington
Simplifying their "import rule," each CFL team is required to have half of their roster made up of Canadian players.

So being a Canadian that can play football is about like being a left handed pitcher. If you can play at all, you will have a long professional career. 

Canadian CFB for the most part is about on par with our D3.

So being a walk on at a P5 school is not a bad road for them to take.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 04, 2018, 12:06:30 PM
I see the Browns signed Joel Stave. Instantly the smartest guy on the team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 12:36:35 PM
very possibly the entire organization
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 12:43:20 PM
Can't be that smart, if he signed with the Browns.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Unless it was his only offer...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2018, 02:44:26 PM
fell to the 3rd round - ton of potential, probably just didn't work hard enough

at 6-9, 333lbs how do you only rep 225 on the bench 16 times?
If he had only been at UNL in the mid-90s....he'd have 83 reps....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 03:47:25 PM
juice!

and Creatine on his frosted flakes

and Jason Peter in his face
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2018, 04:10:35 PM
Hackers working on the CFL draft now.Is nothing sacred?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 04:51:49 PM
Take off, you hoser!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 18, 2018, 11:10:08 AM
The Velociraptor will live to bite another day!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcEwD6xW4AEtXA_.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdcRU5cVwAAmKSI.jpg)

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/untitled-51.gif?w=640&h=480)