Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.I believe there wound up being 1 more 6-6 team than slots, so no 5-7 teams, and one 6-6 team getting left out.
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.Sadly, Purdue finished 4-8. That damn Nevada loss...
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.apparently, Skers are out.
Some smoke that MSU will head to the Pinstripe Bowl to play PittFWIW, the source of that leak (local MSU reporter) has a reputation that the immediate response was that MSU was likely going anywhere except the Pinstripe Bowl.
Gator Bowl is Kentucky IndianaBasketball Invitational
Super lame to be playing #17 for PSU.I agree 100 percent. It's lame that the G5 needs to have a seat at the table in the first place.
Holiday is Iowa USCGood game.
Sounds like Bama Michigan in the citrus
Good game.Iowa could get revenge for the 2002 debacle in Miami.
Check that they meant Miss stateI'd rather have the Music City over the Gator Bowl (or whatever it is now), because Nash Vegas!!
So Indiana will play Tennessee in the Gator BowlTennessee, or Kentucky?
Tennessee, or Kentucky?Tennessee. Apparently Tennessee changed their mind at the last second. Kind of like their coaching situation
So someone explain to me why Virginia and Memphis should be in the NY6 rather than Wisconsin or Auburn or Alabama or Utah or Minnesota.Memphis is there because the P5 schools through the G5 schools a bone to avoid a lawsuit.
Memphis is there because the P5 schools through the G5 schools a bone to avoid a lawsuit.I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they. Rhetorical question.
As for Virginia--a bad team--it's because the ACC is contracted with the Orange Bowl.
Back in the bad old days, the Orange Bowl normally took the Big 8 champion. So they got teams from OU, Nebraska, Colorado, etc. Now they get the ACC, with teams like Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, etc. I don't think it has been a good trade.
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they. Rhetorical question.They shouldn’t. I really don’t like the bowl tie ins. If I were king of college football I would do away with that right off the bat.
I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange. Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
Taxslayer = Gator BowlIt's in a baseball stadium, or at least it was. And a stadium much better located than the 49ers stadium.
wtf is the Redbox? Emerald? Fight taxes? End Emeralds? This is so stupid.
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Let's start the CFN Bowl and host it in...OshKosh. We'll sell brats to eat and cups of SEC speed to drink. It'll sell at least 47 tickets or so. They'll show it on Cinemax at 3am.
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they. Rhetorical question.I don't mind Memphis. Virginia, ehhh.
I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange. Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA? Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no? We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they. Rhetorical question.The old Big 8 tie-in with the Orange Bowl ended when the Big 8 ended. But the historical evidence is all over the Orange Bowl records. The top two programs in number of appearances there are OU (20) and Nebraska (17). The next closest are Miami and FSU (10 each).
I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange. Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 07:29:45 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/bowling-for-burgers/msg176274/#msg176274)Per Wikipedia, the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:QuoteSo if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA? Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no? We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.
I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.
The Orange will be the least watched NYD6 game, I think. PSU/Memphis will draw eyes, for curiosity only, and for PSU, in the considerable B1G footprint.
The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) is locked into a 12-year deal (2014–2025) with the Orange Bowl, so if the ACC champion qualifies for the playoffs in a year when the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal host, the next-highest ranked ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl. For the secondary tie-ins, the Southeastern Conference (SEC) and the Big Ten Conference are guaranteed three appearances each, and the University of Notre Dame can play in a maximum of two games, but is not guaranteed any appearances. The ACC team's opponent in a given year will be the highest-ranked available team from the SEC, Big Ten, and Notre Dame, subject to several constraints: the SEC and Big Ten champions are always excluded, and when an SEC and/or Big Ten team qualifies for the College Football Playoff, the next available team would also be excluded from participating in the Orange Bowl due to contractual obligations with the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, respectively. Also, should a highest-ranked team create a rematch with the ACC team, the Orange Bowl has the option of passing over that team for the next-highest ranked team among the Big Ten, SEC, and Notre Dame, again subject to the noted constraints. Rankings are based on the College Football Playoff committee's rankings. ESPN holds the television rights for 12 years as well.[11]
I'd rather play any of those over UVA. I'd prefer ND most.Definitely the easiest game.
Florida's had some big games in the Orange Bowl. We spanked the best team Maryland has had in a long time, 56-23 (I think). Spanked a Donovan McNabb-led Syracuse team like 31-10. The other win was Spurrier's Heisman season.You beat OU in the 2008 BCS NC game which was played at the Orange Bowl.
I'd rather play any of those over UVA. I'd prefer ND most.If OU is not in the CFP, my default preference would be to play Notre Dame--no matter how good or bad--every year. We're something like 2-9 against the Irish all-time, and that's a record that needs adjusting.
You beat OU in the 2008 BCS NC game which was played at the Orange Bowl.Yeah, that's probably where I get my lack of respect for video-game number offenses. I was talking about proper, official OBs.
Yeah, that's probably where I get my lack of respect for video-game number offenses. I was talking about proper, official OBs.The score was 24-14. Pretty much dominated by defenses. I don't know how you could come away from that feeling lack of respect.
If OU is not in the CFP, my default preference would be to play Notre Dame--no matter how good or bad--every year. We're something like 2-9 against the Irish all-time, and that's a record that needs adjusting.Yeah, no love for ND, I just want payback.
I would love to see OU play Notre Dame in the NC game some day.
The score was 24-14. Pretty much dominated by defenses. I don't know how you could come away from that feeling lack of respect.OU's "we score 60 points every week" offense putting up 14.
At the end of the '91 season, Florida actually had a chance at the NC. If Miami lost the Orange and Washington lost the Rose, Florida was 3rd. It's possible Michigan would have jumped Florida by beating UW, but I doubt it. UF sort of had the same issue as this year - playing #18 ND for whatever reason. #1 Miami played #11 Nebraska.the low point before the dominant run
Alas, Miami shut out UNL
OU's "we score 60 points every week" offense putting up 14.IIRC, Florida was in the top 5 in scoring offense that year.
IIRC, Florida was in the top 5 in scoring offense that year.I was just sharing, wasn't saying it was right or wrong.
This is another one of those data points that doesn't fit your preferred narrative, but you twist it out of shape to make it fit anyway.
The wife and I bought our plane tickets for the Gator Bowl last night. I'm pretty excited. It's not often that IU goes to a bowl game and its even more rare that I would be able to attend. The schedule worked out just right for us this year.That's great. Hopefully you have great weather and can get out to the beach areas while you're there.
If I weren't camping that week, I'd probably head down to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.Here's a site that says that the Alamo Bowl messed up the Big 12's bowl picture by picking Texas instead of letting the Horns slide to the Camping World Bowl.
It's not a bad destination, San Antonio's a pretty good bowl hosting site, truthfully.
Here's a site that says that the Alamo Bowl messed up the Big 12's bowl picture by picking Texas instead of letting the Horns slide to the Camping World Bowl.Not sure what you mean by "messed up?" As far as I know, outside of the CFP and Sugar Bowl, all the other B12-affiliated bowls are allowed to pick whomever they want.
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2019/12/08/ranking-the-2019-20-big-12-bowl-games/
hah, the Alamo may have "messed up" the next bowl in the picking order's chance to make a pile of moneyWell, yeah. That's the only reason bowl games exist. It's the only reason they've ever existed. They're exhibitions that are staged by promoters. The only purpose of the bowl game-- EVER-- was to make money for the promoters.
Not sure what you mean by "messed up?" As far as I know, outside of the CFP and Sugar Bowl, all the other B12-affiliated bowls are allowed to pick whomever they want.If you read the linked article, it should have answered that question.
Their sole goal is to fill their stadium, and I suppose the Alamo Bowl reps felt that Texas would do that better than any other B12 team still available after the CFP and Sugar made their picks.
Well, yeah. That's the only reason bowl games exist. It's the only reason they've ever existed. They're exhibitions that are staged by promoters. The only purpose of the bowl game-- EVER-- was to make money for the promoters.I ask this because I don't know. Does the attractiveness of the matchup affect TV revenue for a bowl game, or is that negotiated far in advance?
A lot has changed about college football over the past 30-50 years, but that hasn't.
well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement park
The article asserts among other things that Texas fans would have preferred traveling to Orlando for the Camping World Bowl rather than to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what it says.
I ask this because I don't know. Does the attractiveness of the matchup affect TV revenue for a bowl game, or is that negotiated far in advance?
If not, it might impact future negotiations.
well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement parkAbsolutely. I don't personally know a single Longhorn fan in Austin, Dallas, or Houston, that would spend the money to travel to Orlando to watch an immensely disappointing 7-5 Texas team play football. Not even against Notre Dame. But plenty of them would go to San Antonio.
the HUGE majority would rather make the short drive to San Antonio
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!Takes one to know one, doesn't it? ;)
If you read the linked article, it should have answered that question.
Well I took a look, but as you illustrate below, it was pretty stupid and didn't make a compelling point.
The article asserts among other things that Texas fans would have preferred traveling to Orlando for the Camping World Bowl rather than to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what it says.
Yeah, that's problem #1, because I think it's completely untrue. Certainly untrue among every single Longhorn fan I know in Austin, Dallas, or Houston. Just some clickbait here.
It also asserts that Texas-Notre Dame would have been a much bigger, better game than Texas-Utah, because with the latter you get a team coming off a hugely disappointing loss and falling from a potential CFP slot to the Alamo Bowl. (Which is really on the Pac-12, as it has not negotiated any automatic participation in any bowl between the Alamo and the Rose.) And because Texas-Notre Dame is a sexier matchup just from a helmet status if nothing else.
For TV ad revenue, Texas-Notre Dame is a better matchup than Texas-Utah. But that's not what the Alamo Bowl promoters care about, and from a competitive standpoint I'm not sure it would be any more interesting. Texas would and should be a pretty heavy dog to either team. More clickbait.
And it asserts that Iowa State-Utah would be a better game than Texas-Utah for reasons that are somewhat fuzzy in my recollection.
Well ISU beat Texas, but lost to two teams Texas beat, and still ended up with the same record, so... maybe? Seems like a reach.
FTR, The Alamo Bowl has 1st pick of the Big 12 (and of the Pac-12) after the CPP/NY6 teams are taken. The Camping World Bowl is next to pick from the Big 12, followed in order by the Texas Bowl, the Liberty Bowl, the Cheez-It Bowl, and the First Responder Bowl.
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!Indeed!
The bowl promoters don't give a rat's ass about the TV ratings. They get their money from the sponsors, ticket sales, stadium ad revenue and promotions, concessions, etc. The TV revenue for the bowl games are negotiated with the conferences-- as a package-- well in advance. Since ESPN owns almost all of the bowls now, it's really just a portfolio investment for them. Some games will be winners, some will be losers, and overall they're making the bet they're going to come out on top. They keep investing so I suppose it's working for them. . . .So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S. That's not surprising. I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place. Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons. But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.
I don't personally know a single Longhorn fan in Austin, Dallas, or Houston, that would spend the money to travel to Orlando to watch an immensely disappointing 7-5 Texas team play football. Not even against Notre Dame. But plenty of them would go to San Antonio.
Not just that, but outside of CFP and NY6 type bowls, the majority of attendance for most bowls comes from locals. There are TONS of Longhorn "t-shirt fans" in San Antonio that would never bother to come to Austin for a game, but will be delighted to go see a game in their home city. We've seen that play out every time we've been in the Alamo Bowl-- lots and lots of San Antonio locals that didn't necessarily graduate from UT but still root for the Longhorns. That's maybe not the best thing for the local hotels and restaurants since many day-trip in (like I have twice), but the Alamo Bowl promoters are not really concerned with that-- they're worried about gate receipts, concessions, etc.Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns? Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.
Indeed!Hah!
As is the person that posted it. ;)
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!Every mainstream sports article does this. To find prudent, educated sports articles, you have to dig deep.
Hah!you sir, are a professional
If I wanted to stir the pot to the detriment of UT, I could have found something a lot better than that article.
So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S. That's not surprising. I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place. Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons. But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.
I do buy the argument that Texas-Notre Dame is a much more attractive game than either Texas-Utah or Iowa State-Notre Dame. If I were running ESPN, I would care about that. Throwaway bowl games are a dime a dozen. Matching up two helmet teams, even in disappointing seasons (in different ways) for both of them, in a medium-tier (and presumably medium-cost) bowl is an opportunity not to be casually thrown away. Or so it seems to me.
If I were king of ESPN, I'd have pulled every lever I had to get a better matchup in the Orange Bowl this year. I remember that for one Orange Bowl early in this decade tickets were going for $5, and they still had a half-empty stadium.
Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns? Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.
Hah!
If I wanted to stir the pot to the detriment of UT, I could have found something a lot better than that article.
you sir, are a professionalI may be a professional. And I'm certainly Boomer Sooner.
yer a land thievin Boomer Sooner
so, yer a little slow....That's what she said.
well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement parkThis is correct, thought bowl promotors tend to represent cities, and hotels are something they want used. So setting up driving bowls has some drawbacks.
the HUGE majority would rather make the short drive to San Antonio
Every mainstream sports article does this. To find prudent, educated sports articles, you have to dig deep.This is not a mainstream article. It's some jack-wagon blog post. But several pages of discussion referencing it makes clear why this garbage continues to exist.
So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S. That's not surprising. I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place. Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons. But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.When you see such a thing that surprises you, uses it as an indicator. In fact, when you read "Texas probably sat on the phone like a girl who was asked to homecoming by her best friend before her dream crush made his move," you should step back and say, is there any reason this isn't some dummy spouting off? And when the answer is no, you should close the browser tab.
I do buy the argument that Texas-Notre Dame is a much more attractive game than either Texas-Utah or Iowa State-Notre Dame. If I were running ESPN, I would care about that. Throwaway bowl games are a dime a dozen. Matching up two helmet teams, even in disappointing seasons (in different ways) for both of them, in a medium-tier (and presumably medium-cost) bowl is an opportunity not to be casually thrown away. Or so it seems to me.
If I were king of ESPN, I'd have pulled every lever I had to get a better matchup in the Orange Bowl this year. I remember that for one Orange Bowl early in this decade tickets were going for $5, and they still had a half-empty stadium.
Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns? Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.
(Honestly, the vast majority of mainstream articles are rather boring recitations of facts, accounts of events and what principle actors said. Most articles are just bland because they give you the news and not much else. Folks just can't resist the other stuff)I see more and more articles labeled as "Analysis", both on sports sites and news sites. They should just call it "Opinion".
When you see such a thing that surprises you, uses it as an indicator. In fact, when you read "Texas probably sat on the phone like a girl who was asked to homecoming by her best friend before her dream crush made his move," you should step back and say, is there any reason this isn't some dummy spouting off? And when the answer is no, you should close the browser tab.Ha! Did it really say that? I guess I skimmed past that bit.
This is correct, thought bowl promotors tend to represent cities, and hotels are something they want used. So setting up driving bowls has some drawbacks.Eh. I think most bowl promoters are just out for themselves. And they've rigged the system such that every bowl makes money (via TV revenue, forced ticket sales to each team, etc) and lines their own pockets as promotors.
Eh. I think most bowl promoters are just out for themselves. And they've rigged the system such that every bowl makes money (via TV revenue, forced ticket sales to each team, etc) and lines their own pockets as promotors.A lot of the small ones tend to be linked to local chambers of commerce and such.
Beyond that, I doubt they care about hotels, but additional attendance and concessions beyond the forced sales is best for their bottom line.
Who are the "bowl promoters" generally speaking? Do bowls make profits that they share? Or are they often "city and business leaders"? I think quite a few are non-profits, they send whatever money they make to some charity. Maybe that isn't the case any more.Yeah, whatever money they make, after they pay the exorbitant salaries of the executives promoting the bowl...
My guess is most minor bowl folks have an interest in promoting business within the city. Why else does Shreveport have a bowl game?
Yeah, whatever money they make, after they pay the exorbitant salaries of the executives promoting the bowl...My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/)
My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.The ESPN College Football Podcast had the Peach Bowl CEO on, and it was hilarious trying to listen to him justify his own existence.
My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.Sounds very familiar, unfortunately. Precisely why I investigate the hell out of them before I open my wallet.
In reality, our dream crush is the CFP, and he ain't calling any time soon.Good move picking up Chris Ash,crootin' - it could happen
I'm more thinking of minor bowls, like the Liberty or Independence. Who runs them? Ate they interested in the motel business in the area?Well, as stated I think most of those bowls are able to get TV revenue, bowl naming rights, and they generally [as a contingency of accepting the bowl invite] have all sorts of forced ticket sales with the teams. Minor bowls often end up as money-losers for the actual teams, because they can't sell their forced ticket allotment and yet they have to pay to bring their players, coaches, staff, band, etc etc to the bowl, including airfare, hotels, food, etc. They're designed to make money no matter if anyone watches or shows up, and they IMHO must be doing so or they wouldn't exist.
How much money is made? Is it charitable? I imagine the "Fat Cats" don't get skinnier. They do have to buy those nice sports coats.
the greatest game ever playedIt is as far as I'm concerned.
Is this the Bowl Game SoC thread?It can be anything you want.
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http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html (http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html)
The greatest game I ever watched was Texas-USC (above). I was mesmerized. I intended to watch a half and go to bed, nope.It was crazy. I had to leave the room and walk around the block several times to cool off.
Neither side was going to give an inch, blow for blow, it was a rumble in the ... jungle?
Well the Bowl Games start today.Repost for posterity
Repost for posterityNot to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of Chicago
2 pm, Bahamas Bowl, Buffalo v. Charlotte, ESPN
If I had unlimited time and money, I would probably go to the Bahamas to watch this game. Not really based on anything of the teams, but because it seems pretty weird and cool to watch a game in the Bahamas. In any event, Charlotte has only had football for five years, and Buffalo is making their fourth bowl appearance, and both are are looking for their first win. BTW, if I'm looking for a head coach I'm giving Buffalo coach Lance Leipold a pretty long look. His record in Division 3 was nearly perfect, and Buffalo has the look of a consistent winner (which is something, for Buffalo). When Illinois cans Lovie after next season he would be a pretty solid hire.
Not to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of ChicagoYes! I forgot to mention that but I assumed Makers Wanted was a bourbon brand before I read about it
Ha, a Makers' Mark bowl would be fun. Makes me think of this:Not to mention the swag baskets would be pretty stellar as well
The 1912 Bacardi Bowl was scheduled as a two-game series in Havana featuring the Florida Gators (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Florida_Gators_football_team) against squads from two different Cuban athletic clubs.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-english8272006-5) It was Florida's first experience with postseason football.
The first game was held on Christmas Day, and the Gators defeated the Vedado Athletic Club 28–0.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-UFmedia-3) The second game, which pitted the Gators against the Cuban Athletic Club of Havana a few days later, was never finished. Florida head coach George E. Pyle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Pyle) realized during the first quarter that the game was being officiated using college football's pre-1906 rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_American_football), and while discussing this issue with the officials, he discovered that the head referee was the former coach of his opponent.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-vault-6) Feeling that playing under those conditions was neither fair nor safe, Pyle pulled his team off the field and was promptly arrested for violating a Cuban law prohibiting a game's suspension after spectators' money had been collected.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-7) A trial was scheduled and Pyle was released on bail that evening, at which point he and the Gators quickly boarded a steamship for Tampa, an escape which caused the coach to be branded a "fugitive from justice" by Cuban authorities.
Makers Wanted isn’t a fly by night internet company. It isn’t a shady bank or a fried chicken franchise.
It’s a town 1,320 miles away from the Bahamas. Elk Grove Village, a Chicago suburb out by the airport, hopes to drum up business for its industrial park.
So I drove to Elk Grove to investigate. Surely there’s something tropical there that I’ve missed, which would help connect the sponsor and the bowl.
The weather had warmed up in Chicago, which meant it was in the high 30s with a drizzle, just enough to make you uncomfortable, but not enough to thaw out the snowbanks or conjure the Caribbean.
If you're satisfied with going 7-5 and going to the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl, then great. Then you're in the wrong program and we'll find a place for you to go. I hear there's a private school up in Dallas that's really looking to try to get to seven wins.(Herman then lost an upset to that private school, proving the mere mention of the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl is cursed behavior.)
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl gameI mean we could form a nonprofit that exists to help at risks youths in the areas of athletic history and Big Ten lore. You can be the director, and we'll also have a CEO, CFO, executive director, president, vice president, and treasurer. Salaries for everyone.
could likely double my money with help form all youse smart guys here
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl gameThe Runza-Sharkwater Bowl?Something to eat and drink while watching the game.
The Runza-Sharkwater Bowl?Something to eat and drink while watching the game.The Chili Bean Bowl
Not to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of ChicagoThere was a lot of uproar when Elk Grove did this last year, but they apparently drew 11 new businesses to their huge CenTex industrial park as a result of the sponsorship. I did the site plans for two of the new buildings. So now the taxpayers are happy to do it. Me too.
The Chili Bean BowlI like it. We can run political ads during the bowl about how chili without beans just isn't chili.
I like it. We can run political ads during the bowl about how chili without beans just isn't chili.Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?
Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?Isn't there a bowl called something like the "Camping out in the Left Lane Bowl" in Orlando?
Isn't there a bowl called something like the "Camping out in the Left Lane Bowl" in Orlando?It's actually rarely a problem here either. Usually traffic is going so slowly that you could legitimately pitch a tent and it wouldn't affect much.
Fortunately, this rarely is a problem around here. I often find myself in the right most lane of a 6-7 lane freeway unless someone ahead if merging driving about 80 mph and having folks almost too close behind me trying to go faster. Traffic here on the freeways either goes 90 mph or 2 mph.
Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?By having Runza and Sharkwater?
Topping the legendary Poulan Weed Eater Bowl was something I never thought I’d see. This was the 47-game Oklahoma win streak of terrible bowl names, and yet, see #1.:57:
Tonight I think that the blue Aggies will mow down the Silver Foxes.Nope
Nice to see Kent State get their first ever bowl win, and to get it under former Badger Sean Lewis is even better. Even mo better is that they beat Gerrie Andersen's USU team.He was an underclassman on the roster my freshman year. Christ that makes me feel old.
Blast from the past! Watching this New Mexico Bowl between San Diego St & Central Michigan and the Chipps’ OC is...Charlie Frye?!?! Hadn’t heard that name in years. Now if only someone could let me know how Charlie Batch is doing.
He's involved with a bunch of charities in and around Pittsburgh as well. He pops up all the time
Batch currently works for KDKA-TV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDKA-TV) in Pittsburgh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh) as a pre-game analyst for the Steelers as well as a color commentator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_commentator) for their preseason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_preseason) games. Batch also works with Champs Sports Network as a color analyst for WPIAL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pennsylvania_Interscholastic_Athletic_League) high school football and basketball broadcasts.
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I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl gameApparently, sponsoring a bowl must be a "Producers"-type situation, because no one needs to watch or attend for them to keep springing up. Someone's making money without much of a football game occurring.
could likely double my money with help form all youse smart guys here
Ballsy move by SMU to put Hayden Fry patches on their jerseys after firing him for being unwilling to cheat.Freshen my memory I don'yt remember that
Freshen my memory I don'yt remember thatThe rumor was always that SMU boosters wanted to start a slush fund to get back to the top of the SWC, and Fry wouldn't play ball, so they forced him out for a coach who would. Led to the Pony Express...and the death penalty.
Apparently, sponsoring a bowl must be a "Producers"-type situation, because no one needs to watch or attend for them to keep springing up. Someone's making money without much of a football game occurring.Doesn't ESPN own a good deal of the newer ones? They couldn't care less who shows up, it still gets better ratings than OTL or a PTI rerun or whatever.
The Cure Bowl is a lovely idea and all, but it looks bad when it's so obscure that there's only a few people in the stands....looks like no one is wanting that cure for cancer.
The rumor was always that SMU boosters wanted to start a slush fund to get back to the top of the SWC, and Fry wouldn't play ball, so they forced him out for a coach who would. Led to the Pony Express...and the death penalty.Didn't Fry come flat out and say it was true?
Tenure at SMU and North Texas State
The SMU Mustangs were members of the Southwest Conference at the time. Fry won the conference coach of the year award in his first season. In 1963, SMU opened the season with a 27–16 loss to a Michigan team coached by Bump Elliott, Fry's future boss at Iowa. SMU lost to Oregon in the 1963 Sun Bowl, 21–14. After the season, Fry was also appointed as SMU's athletic director.
When Fry took the job at SMU, he was promised that he would be allowed to recruit black athletes. Fry and the school wanted to make certain that the player they recruited was not only a good athlete but also a good student and citizen and someone with the mental toughness to be one of the first black players in conference history. Fry found that player in Jerry LeVias. LeVias was a great player, an exceptional student, and mentally tough. He had never had discipline problems and was deeply religious. LeVias was the perfect player for SMU.
Jerry LeVias had many other scholarship offers to good integrated schools, but he chose to attend SMU. LeVias became the first black player signed to a football scholarship in the Southwest Conference. In 1966, LeVias made his debut, one week after John Hill Westbrook of Baylor became the first black player to play for a conference team.[6] Fry received abuse for recruiting a black player to SMU in the form of hate mail and threatening phone calls, but he downplayed the treatment, because the harassment of LeVias was much, much worse.
SMU had an 8–2 record in 1966 and won its first Southwest Conference title in 18 years.[7][8] LeVias was named to the all-conference team and handled the racial incidents well. SMU lost in the Cotton Bowl Classic to Georgia but finished the year ranked #10 in the nation.[7] SMU had a down year in 1967, but LeVias was again an all-conference selection.
In 1968, SMU went 7–3 and defeated Oklahoma in the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl. LeVias was selected as an all-conference player as a senior for the third time. Fry's Mustangs then had just a 12–20 record over the next three years from 1969–1971. That put Fry's job in jeopardy, and rumors started to swirl after Fry's Mustangs started the 1972 season at 4–4. Not even a three-game winning streak could save Fry. After a 7–4 season in 1972, Fry was fired at SMU, which robbed the Mustangs of a bowl berth.
Hayden Fry compiled a 49–66–1 record in 11 seasons at SMU, including the school's only three winning seasons since the late 1940s. In Fry's autobiography, Fry stated that he believed his firing was related to several boosters' desire to start a slush fund to pay players and recruits. SMU was the second-smallest school in the Southwest Conference, and had found it difficult to compete over the last two decades against schools double its size or more. When he refused to go along with the plan, Fry said, the boosters pressured the school's new president to fire him. As it turned out, SMU would be hit with NCAA sanctions five times after Fry's departure before having its program completely shut down for the 1987 season due to a massive litany of misconduct. Most of the violations were related to the slush fund Fry had opposed several years earlier.
Marshall turning it over isn't going to help them any, lol.Nope. Not good to be -4 in TO margin only 10 seconds into the 2nd quarter...
I'll be watching
Bowl of Oyster stew, grilled cheese sammich, and a good drink
TuesdaySure you would. Because this game isn't played at 8:00 PM in Hawaii. It's played at 2:00 PM. You could go to the game and still have a full evening of Christmas Eve revelry ahead of you.
8 pm, SoFi Hawai'i Bowl, Hawai'i v. BYU, ESPN
The problem with a bowl game like this is that if I were in Hawai'i on Christmas Eve, I probably wouldn't want to be at this game. But I won't be in Hawai'i, and probably still won't watch this game, but if you are looking for something fun to watch you could do worse than Hawai'i's run and shoot offense which has turned the ball over more than any other in the country. BYU has been no slouch either, averaging over 500 yards a game in November. If you are drinking a glass of egg nog and wrapping presents, might be worth tuning in.
But this year I’m Christmas-omg with a house full of youngins’ who’ll want Grinch, Elf, or Home Alone blaring.They'll get A Christmas Story and like it!!!
Sure you would. Because this game isn't played at 8:00 PM in Hawaii. It's played at 2:00 PM. You could go to the game and still have a full evening of Christmas Eve revelry ahead of you.Lol oh I'm aware. The problem is at 2 pm in Hawaii it's 81 degrees and you're in Hawaii, where everything is more beautiful than BYU football.
This is the one time that an 8:00 PM ET kickoff doesn't work for me on the West Coast... 5:00 PM will be right after our guests come tonight, and they'll probably be around until ~9ish when the game is over.
Oh well. I'm eating filet tonight, so whatever lol...
The wife is urging me to set us up to be in Hawaii next Christmas, so, let it be written, let it be done.Most importantly, will you two be attending the Hawaii Bowl?
I've been in Hawaii when it was 27°F and with 45 mph gusting winds and was freezing my A off despite the parka and gloves. Might have to do that again.
Most importantly, will you two be attending the Hawaii Bowl?Yeah let's put this to the test
Were you at the top of a mountain?I have the same question. Sunrise at the top of Haleakala (on Maui) was right about freezing, even in late May.
Were you at the top of a mountain?Heh, we used a photo of the two of us on Christmas cards that year, hello from Hawaii.
Hawaii Bowl was entertainingIt reminded me of a Texas game where nobody has any defense
What exactly is "Quick Lane"? I'm guessing gas station.Apparently some sort of tire place though I'm not familiar with them
like Jiffy Lube, only quickerHuh, I guess they don't have them around here or in Cincy. Chick-Fil-A of course once was a rather localized restaurant also. They used to be primarily in shopping malls, which were these large shopping areas back a century ago or so.
Huh, I guess they don't have them around here or in Cincy. Chick-Fil-A of course once was a rather localized restaurant also. They used to be primarily in shopping malls, which were these large shopping areas back a century ago or so.Yeah, when they first sponsored the Peach Bowl, I had never heard of it. I pronounced it with a short A, until my North Carolina family corrected me.
we still have the Chick fil A in the old covered mall and the new one with the driveup on the edge of the mall parking lot less than 1,000 feet awaySame here
I still pronounce chick fil a with a short aI just think of "Hi, I'm Bob Villa". And then pronounce it like that. Chick Filla.
just to bother folks
Big bowl game tonight between my Dad's alma mater and my law school alma mater, that neither of us care beyond me having a lot of confidence points on Pitt.
At Chick Fil a you don't have to worry about getting jumped in the parking lot.who doesn't like a little "jump" in the parking lot?
Who makes the best sandwiches among the national chains?Not sure if they still exist but back in the day i liked Schlotskys
For me, not Subway, too much bread. JJ's is usually decent.
Oh yeah, WG Grinders. Hands down.Don't know them at all. There was a philly cheesesteak place in Cincy that was decent, was a chain maybe midwest.
Don't know them at all. There was a philly cheesesteak place in Cincy that was decent, was a chain maybe midwest.Penn Station?
I can still easily despise the CanesWaste of good emotional angst that could be applied to say Notre Dame.
Penn Station?Love Penn station wish we had them out here
I can still easily despise the CanesAbsolutely. They're behind only OU and A&M on my hate-o-meter.
and now for Pitt of the ACC
Not sure if they still exist but back in the day i liked SchlotskysStill around, here and there across the country but not in every state.
Mark Richt could have done that.Yeah, I told my buddy who is a Big Cane Fan CMR was NOT their answer. Deprived of the well of talent that UGA gets annually, CMR is a mediocre coach.
I support anyone playing Pitt. :93: Even if I do have 40 confidence points on them.
Do folks here mostly support EMU in such games?
Yeah, I told my buddy who is a Big Cane Fan CMR was NOT their answer. Deprived of the well of talent that UGA gets annually, CMR is a mediocre coach.I loved Richt to the Canes. He was in a talent rich area and, to me, he had already proven he could recruit in a talent rich area. I didn’t necessarily think he’d return them to the dominance of the 80s but I thought he’d have Miami consistently back in the top 10-15.
I'm interested in seeing UNC play tomorrow at noon, a bit. They will be my adopted team for 2020.
Do folks here mostly support EMU in such games?
Still around, here and there across the country but not in every state.They started here in Austin, TX and they're common around the state. I definitely find them more interesting than most chain sandwich places.
I came to believe Richt was very over rated as a coach. He could recruit, and that was about it. And the recruiting may have been more due to his assistants. He's a very nice guy, I wish him well, but he's not, in my judgment, a more than mediocre as a coach.Yeah, I’d argue that’s a pretty sharp curve to grade them on. The only Richt didn’t do at Georgia was win the NC and that is really the only thing Smart hasn’t done either. But I guess if I were a UGA fan and that had been my experience for years then at some point you just want to take that next step and win it all because “almost” begins to be a burden and not hopeful.
I'm a tough sell though as I'm starting to wonder if Kirby is a good coach.
My "curve" is based on not getting clearly out coached except rarely, and not getting mysteriously upset by very inferior teams. Richt obviously had problems beating Florida which was one issue, his teams lost twice to Tech at home, there was just these mysterious and predictable let down games, like losing to mediocre Tennessee badly and South Carolina with perhaps his most talented team. These are not things that happen to Saban or Meyer coached teams.Ehhh, you’ll have a pretty short list of good coaches. And as long as the understanding is you will by nature be mostly unsatisfied by everyone, that’s AOK.
Doesn't matter.What doesn’t matter?
My "curve" is based on not getting clearly out coached except rarely, and not getting mysteriously upset by very inferior teams. Richt obviously had problems beating Florida which was one issue, his teams lost twice to Tech at home, there was just these mysterious and predictable let down games, like losing to mediocre Tennessee badly and South Carolina with perhaps his most talented team. These are not things that happen to Saban or Meyer coached teams.Yeah, but I think bringing up Saban and Meyer strengthens my point about how the harsh curve. I also think Dooley may be getting somewhat of a pass from you. Richt actually has a better winning percentage at UGA than Dooley.
One thing about Dooley was his teams very rarely were upset, and they occasionally pulled off a major upset. They were tough teams, in the main, and usually not all that talented. Since about 2002, UGA has had talent to burn and weird seasons, like this one. They did have some decent wins but they almost looked bad winning them.
Watch the tape of the EMU kid “hitting” the ref. The ref took a dive.Should have gotten a flopping penalty.
Yeah, but I think bringing up Saban and Meyer strengthens my point about how the harsh curve. I also think Dooley may be getting somewhat of a pass from you. Richt actually has a better winning percentage at UGA than Dooley.
For me, it's about playing to your potential consistently. Dooley never had teams putting 5-6-7 players into the draft each year, in 2018 three in the first round. UGA talentwise compares pretty well with anyone. So, why aren't they more consistent? How can they lose at home to South Carolina? IMHO, they get out coached. Circa 1975, that wasn't the case.When you start talking about playing to your potential that becomes REEEAAAALLLLYY subjective. And there are different ways to measure that. There were 6 times in Dooley’s career at UGA that he had a team ranked in the preseason that went on to finish unranked. That only happened 3 times during Richt’s run.
Kinda funny, Fran Tarkenton was a third round pick in the draft.
That isn't my point. I don't think Dooley was in fact some great coach. I DO think he has his team motivated to PLAY nearly every game. They rarely lost to an inferior team and they often could give fits to far more talented teams. Dooley's reputation benefits as a result of this AND the fact he inherited a program that was really down. Richt and Smart did not. Their bar is higher, it's not sufficient to "continue" with some top ten finishes in the polls. For me, it's more about how the team plays the game and whether they appear to come out flat too often and unmotivated.Fair enough. Again, the comments about being motivated to play are really subjective and have probably been softened by time. My guess is with some digging the claim about rarely losing to an inferior team could really be put to the test, too.
Richt had very talented teams that would lose a game they never should have lost, or two. Yes, upsets happen, but they should be rare.
(Dooley's 1969 team was said by him to be his most talented but they had a rash of key injuries and simply faded after being ranked.)
The Miami Hurricanes fired offensive coordinator Dan Enos on Friday, one day after being shut out in historic fashion by Louisiana Tech in the Walk-On's Independence Bowl.
Why are certain fans bundled up in Fort Worth? It is 64 degrees.Supposed to be a high of 63 in Pasadena next Wednesday, and you'll probably see quite the dichotomy.
Supposed to be a high of 63 in Pasadena next Wednesday, and you'll probably see quite the dichotomy.I expect that from so cal pansies. ;)
Locals bundled up like it's winter, while the traveling Wisconsin fans are in t-shirts and shorts.
hah, did y'all see the UNC DT flop on the LOS with an imaginary injury to stop the play?They've been taking notes from LSUnited!
For me, it's about playing to your potential consistently. Dooley never had teams putting 5-6-7 players into the draft each year, in 2018 three in the first round. UGA talentwise compares pretty well with anyone. So, why aren't they more consistent? How can they lose at home to South Carolina? IMHO, they get out coached. Circa 1975, that wasn't the case.For fun, his 1975 team missed and SEC title because it lost to a 6-5 Ole Miss team that ranked 107th in the country in scoring.
Kinda funny, Fran Tarkenton was a third round pick in the draft.
UNC clearly is terrific and is going to challenge Clemson next year. Well, probably not, but they could be interesting, and I already claimed them.They’re talented this year and adding more.
For fun, his 1975 team missed and SEC title because it lost to a 6-5 Ole Miss team that ranked 107th in the country in scoring.I went digging and 19 times during Dooley’s time at UGA he had a ranked team that lost to an unranked opponent. That only happened 8 times during Richt’s tenure. Time changes how we remember things, especially if you already sort of liked one guy and not the other.
Looking over, his teams had their share of trip ups. They had the four-year run without one, plus a few years with a no bad loss 9-3x
Well, at least this is more entertaining than the Redbox Bowl last yearI'm pullin for ya, AAA!
Well, at least this is more entertaining than the Redbox Bowl last year
Illinois Game Pt II. Back to back red zone turnovers.Make it three straight red zone trips, zero points to show for it. We don't deserve to win this at this point. 263-90 in yardage now. 7-0
Outgained them 183-58 this half. Just 7-0 to show for it.
If you haven’t seen any of Chuba Hubbard he is really good. He’s one of those backs who always gets more than what the play is blocked for.He leads the NCAA in rushing and he's looked as good as anybody this season. Not bad for a Canadian.
This feels and looks like an Alamo BowlI thought it was until I noticed the lighting was too good to be the Alamo Bowl. That and the midfield logo and yard font. What ever happened to Builders Square.
I thought it was until I noticed the lighting was too good to be the Alamo Bowl. That and the midfield logo and yard font. What ever happened to Builders Square.Just to show what has happened to the second tier bowls, I recall a New years Eve at my great aunt's house in the early 90s, where everyone worked together to verify that she had ESPN so we could watch the Alamo Bowl, before agreeing to spend New Year's Eve there. and it wasn't that anyone had a vested interest in the game, I want to say it was Iowa vs Washington State?
There have been about 3-calls that went against Iowa, including the replay incompetence. The other big one was the one that called Rogaini covered up in the slot when he clearly wasn't. A lot of holding on the interior of USC's offensive line. It will be interesting to see how well USC's offensive line holds up in the 2nd half.There were also some non-calls. Where were those officials from? MWC (PAC-LITE)??
Generally a well-played game by both teams. Iowa up 28-17 at half. Stanley still has time to be inconsistent but in the first half he wasn't.
Stanley: 11/12 130 yards and 1-TD in the first half. Quite a line for him.
Loving the B1G's 2-0 start. I hope we see 4-0 today on our way to 10-0!Michigan is in a bowl game, correct?
Clemson-OSU is close obviously, though I thought most of the year that OSU is the most complete team. Fields' injury is a concern. I'm going to give an edge to the Tigers in this one 31-27.This has me on edge,when tOSU played Clemson in 2014 they were banged up.Noah Spence team leader in sacks was suspended and Roby (1st rd to Broncos)sat out.Both Ryan Shazier and Braton Miller played hurt.Just want a clear clean shot at Dabo
I'd like to see another one of those Big Ten bowl seasons where everyone wins except for the Wolverines.I've always pulled for conference in Bowl Games
So a ten win ND team got stuck playing 7-5 ISU? :great:
I've always pulled for conference in Bowl GamesSame.
Same.You're raising that kid right
Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win." That's sound logic to me. Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas. He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
Same.I had a very high opinion of you before ELA. But you have now reached “ halo” status..
Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win." That's sound logic to me. Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas. He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
Same.Well I hope your oldest gets a late Christmas gift
Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win." That's sound logic to me. Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas. He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
I'd fire the kid.Exactly my thoughts! :)
Whew what a run by Journey BrownThe only problem with him emerging as a good RB is the announcers can't resist cheesy puns.
Earlham College is in Richmond, IN on the Ohio border. It's a Quaker school, my in laws are alum and they canceled football for 2019. They may revisit football again...Sounds like they'd get on Baylor's schedule pretty quickly!
i don't have any idea who Earlham is, but I like it!Same with Michigan's PA announcer. Slippery Rock wound up playing a game in Michigan Stadium a few years ago because of it. It's about an hour and a half north of Pittsburgh. My sister in law is an alum, and my wife's cousin played there.
For some reason, our longtime stadium announcer and local legend in Austin, Wally Pryor, would always slip in the Slippery Rock score, while reading off other college football scores from around the country during a Longhorn home game. I had no idea who Slippery Rock was until I looked it up years later, but it was always funny to hear him listing off other SWC school scores, and then a Michigan score or an OU score, and then hear... "30 second remaining in the 3rd quarter, Slippery Rock 13, Towson 9"
To this day, you can find Slippery Rock apparel in the UT campus bookstore. I have a hat.
Show of hands - who's wanting this Memphis team to be the 8 seed playing LSU in an expanded playoff? Anyone?This Memphis team or the Memphis team prior to their coach quitting on them prior to a meaningless bowl game?
This Memphis team or the Memphis team prior to their coach quitting on them prior to a meaningless bowl game?Wait a minute, I've been assured by others here that teams don't lack motivation in these games, no matter the situation! So I'm confused...
Wait a minute, I've been assured by others here that teams don't lack motivation in these games, no matter the situation! So I'm confused...There's a difference between lacking motivation, and having your head coach straight up quit on you. You know, not be there. If you are there, lace em up, no excuses.
i don't have any idea who Earlham is, but I like it!Slippery Rock was also featured by Chicago legend Ray Rayner.
For some reason, our longtime stadium announcer and local legend in Austin, Wally Pryor, would always slip in the Slippery Rock score, while reading off other college football scores from around the country during a Longhorn home game. I had no idea who Slippery Rock was until I looked it up years later, but it was always funny to hear him listing off other SWC school scores, and then a Michigan score or an OU score, and then hear... "30 second remaining in the 3rd quarter, Slippery Rock 13, Towson 9"
To this day, you can find Slippery Rock apparel in the UT campus bookstore. I have a hat.
Yeah, PSU should just run up the gut 2 plays out of 3. Memphis looks legit to me. Even if they lose, they should be ranked higher, around 12th or so IMHO. 15th maybe.Not 8th? For being the tallest midget?
I've only seen a little bit of this game, but why is PSU even bothering to throw?Welp, until they need one yard
From what I have seen PSU's running plays have been unstoppable but they are having trouble with the pass rush when they try to throw.
Yeah, PSU should just run up the gut 2 plays out of 3.I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic but from what I have seen it should be 3 out of 3.
Not 8th? For being the tallest midget?LoL. I get it and I agree with you a lot more than not on this issue. My view is that Memphis is roughly equal with Cincy (they beat them by 10 and by 5, both at home). Ohio State destroyed Cincy. That is the gap between the top of G5 and the top of P5, it is humongous.
Welp, until they need one yardTrue, but note that the 4th and 1 was set up by an incomplete pass on 2nd and 7 and a six yard pass on 3rd and 7.
Wisconsin basketball might hold Tennessee to fewer points than either of these teams are going to scoreI just commented on that game in the BB thread. A very impressive performance by the Badgers!
I appreciate these teams nodding to the locale by XII-ing in the Big XII Mecca.It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now. Alabama did it twice just this year alone. They've assumed the mantle. Congrats!
It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now. Alabama did it twice just this year alone. They've assumed the mantle. Congrats!OU went from being 101st in scoring defense last year to 48th this year. Let's not get a big head, now.
It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now. Alabama did it twice just this year alone. They've assumed the mantle. Congrats!
Lol gonna be tough for Sooners if refs let that goYeah no shit. Who is ref’ing this game? SEC refs?
Follow that up with a fantastic sideline pass from Burrow, prompting the announcers to stupidly compare Burrow to Brady. Those two aren’t anything alike.Eh, they were both not wanted by their original fan base. If the transfer portal had been there when Drew Henson arrived, we could have a very different narrative.
Eh, they were both not wanted by their original fan base. If the transfer portal had been there when Drew Henson arrived, we could have a very different narrative.Brady was going to transfer after Griese was named the starter in ‘97. His father told him he can’t come back home to Cal, that he had to stick it out at Michigan.
Imagine that Rose Bowl Stanford team with a legit QB
Is Burrow really as good as he's playing tonight? He's making off balance throws into tight coverage and completing them.Yes
I've never seen a QB pass this well at any level.
Wow. I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously. I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.I don't believe so. I think this is his final year of eligibility.
He is insane, and bound for the Bungles? Can he stay at LSU another year?
Wow. I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously. I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.The Bengals will screw up the draft and pick someone else.
He is insane, and bound for the Bungles? Can he stay at LSU another year?
We're all now rubber-necking at a car accident...I thought OU would hang around and score a good bit about like Alabama did. Hurts is way off his game, he needs to run more.
Wow. I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously. I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.I see Burrow/OC Brady as combining what is normally and either/or proposition:
He is insane, and bound for the Bungles? Can he stay at LSU another year?
I thought OU would hang around and score a good bit about like Alabama did. Hurts is way off his game, he needs to run more.The surprise isn't that LSU is scoring, it's that OU isn't.
Burrow is scary good tonight, they could hang a hundred. I don't know who else should have been 4th, maybe Memphis.
Yeah no shit. Who is ref’ing this game? SEC refs?My wife, word for word, said the same thing.
I’ve never seen a no call PI that egregious in a big game oh...ever. Hadelwoods was basically tackled by the LSU CB.
And pretty sure this last play Marshall went out of bounds on his own wasn’t forced out. Should be an illegal touch.
The surprise isn't that LSU is scoring, it's that OU isn't.They've been impressive
Much like OU's defense improved this year from last, LSU's improved from the middle of the year to the end.
The somehow missed PI call was as flagrant as they can possibly be. And the missed the very obvious targeting call as well, the booth bailed them out. I've also see egregious holding calls missed, not small ones, but grabbing jersey out in the open ones.Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.
Much of the ACC is in the north, incidentally, but their refs are as bad as their teams.
Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.Clearly, NORTH Carolina is in the NORTH, it says so in the name.
Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.What a typical Big 10 comment! LSU is not better, it is Southern refs that matter! Stoopid Midwesterners!
Not sure if anyone saw this `- TerribleThey mentioned it about 20 times during the first half.
https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash (https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash)
I think the Sooners cover the spread, could winYou probably want this one back.
Sooner defense is not terrible
If you thought it was hard changing the narrative of the Big XII playing bad defense before........
Maybe next year, the fourth time around by then, “The Committee” will finally come around to realizing Oklahoma team isn’t worthy of the Playoffs. Undefeated or not.Rightly or wrongly, I think this is definitely going to make it more difficult for future B12 teams to get into the playoffs. The B12 (OU) is about to be 0-4 in CFP games with only one being close.
What a typical Big 10 comment! LSU is not better, it is Southern refs that matter! Stoopid Midwesterners!SEC officials for the Fiesta Bowl. What a coincidence.
If Burrow plays like that in the NC game, the loser tonight is the winner. I've never seen a QB play that well in a game of this ilk.Color me as impressed as I can be. That kid is something else.
SEC officials for the Fiesta Bowl. What a coincidence.I think we can all agree refs can suck hardcore. But they don't give a damn who wins. Any and all alleged favoritism is merely incompetence squared.
Any more comments?
I think we can all agree refs can suck hardcore. But they don't give a damn who wins. Any and all alleged favoritism is merely incompetence squared.I disagree
What do you think I can get a ticket for at halftime? $30? I might try it. Anybody have experience with that? What % is the original asking price might it be?$20 at the end of the first quarter
The refs in the previous game missed two blatantly obvious calls, and many more holding penalties on both sides, really obvious ones. I know later in the game they don't call stuff unless they have to, but this was earlier.I'm no Sooner fan (obviously) but that terrible take-down defensive pass interference that went uncalled in the first quarter when the score was 14-7 was pretty egregious. If I were a Sooner I'd have been livid. I'm not, so I laughed.
Refs this year in general have been worse than I recall in previous years generally.
OSU needs to realize this isn't a Big Ten game, can't get away with leaving all of these points on the board. 225-75 in yardsYeah, they're pretty much dominating but just left still more points on the board.
Refs gotta keep it close, or people change the channel.Refs in the LSU game missed that memo.
BS targeting call.
Refs in the LSU game missed that memo.Nah, they just missed one of the worst PI no-calls ever.
I definitely put that on the coaches. Just before that punt I was saying don’t even try to block it you’re going to get the ball at the 50 yard line. Defense did their job -they could go get rested. You don’t call a punt block there
I definitely put that on the coaches. Just before that punt I was saying don’t even try to block it you’re going to get the ball at the 50 yard line. Defense did their job -they could go get rested. You don’t call a punt block thereAgreed. Unless they saw something on film, that made zero sense.
OSU is getting absolutely screwedI don’t think the targeting was a bad call. It sucks. I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.
I don’t think the targeting was a bad call. It sucks. I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.
OSU is getting absolutely screwedDisagree.
I don’t think the targeting was a bad call. It sucks. I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.
It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.Defender dropped his helmet to deliver the blow. That's gonna get the call every single time. Like I said, even if you don't believe in "targeting" then it's still "spearing" which has been against the rules for decades.
It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.Crown of the helmet to the opponent’s head. I bet I saw that called on WVU five times this year.
Nobody is debating the roughing.Totally agree with you there. As a Dallas Cowboys fan that got robbed in a playoff game against Green Bay some years back, I'm very sensitive to this bullshit "football move" lingo. Taking multiple steps without bobbling the ball is a football move. Why would we expect a receiver to make some weird lateral shift if it's not necessary as part of the route he was already running?
If 5 steps isn't a football move, then what is? You have to change direction?
Nobody is debating the roughing.He didn’t take 5 steps. He caught the ball got one foot down then another and then basically immediately the ball was knocked out of his hands. He never had possession of the ball and made a move up the field. Watching it live I immediately thought that it was an incomplete pass.
If 5 steps isn't a football move, then what is? You have to change direction?
Totally agree with you there. As a Dallas Cowboys fan that got robbed in a playoff game against Green Bay some years back, I'm very sensitive to this bullshit "football move" lingo. Taking multiple steps without bobbling the ball is a football move. Why would we expect a receiver to make some weird lateral shift if it's not necessary as part of the route he was already running?I simply enjoyed that postseason after the refs gifted the Cowboys a win over the Lions, then proceeded to screw them the following week against the Packers, who went on to choke against Seattle. Basically the entire NFC playoffs was the football gods giveth, the football gods taketh away.
The call on the field was correct, and the reversal was crap.
He didn’t take 5 steps. He caught the ball got one foot down then another and then basically immediately the ball was knocked out of his hands. He never had possession of the ball and made a move up the field. Watching it live I immediately thought that it was an incomplete pass.Watching it live I did too. In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me. He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back. Looked like a catch and fumble to me.
You B10ers are incorrigible. The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.Who said it was a conspiracy? Please post quotes.
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I came here to post what a great game this is. Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win. No one is hoping, they expect it. And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
Watching it live I did too. In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me. He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back. Looked like a catch and fumble to me.That's what I don't get. Live I thought incomplete, but they didn't rule it that way. The replay seemed to actually show the ref was right, and at most that the call stood. And somehow, in the face of greater evidence, they overturned it. If they had called it incomplete live, and upheld it on review I'd be fine with that.
You B10ers are incorrigible. The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.You do know that you can stick to the sec area
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I came here to post what a great game this is. Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win. No one is hoping, they expect it. And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
You B10ers are incorrigible. The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.Oh yeah people never complain about marginal calls that have huge effects on the game
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I came here to post what a great game this is. Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win. No one is hoping, they expect it. And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
I wonder if Lawrence has ran this much all season.Maybe when he had a Groupon at GreatClips?
I wonder if Lawrence has ran this much all season.Highs of 11 rushes and 66 yards (different games).
Ohio State is 0-3 against Clemson all time. I didn't know that.Shouldve read my breakdown
Watching it live I did too. In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me. He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back. Looked like a catch and fumble to me.
Replay was intended to make calls more accurate, but lately it seems replay is becoming more and more inaccurate. Those people need to be reviewed with the rest of the officiating crew, and more closely reviewed, because they have more time for consideration, and could actually consult the rule book.
Shouldve read my breakdownI did, but not carefully. I was most interested in the bottom line.
Man think they should have gone for itYeah, didn't get Dabo declining the delay. Once he did that, I would've gone for it.
I'm really tired of folks saying, "Well, it looks different under replay, than it does in real time."This season I saw at least two results in Iowa games in which the replay official was obviously incorrect, and one was last night in the USC game. And the narrators on Fox Sports agreed with me. It's perplexing.
Well, no shit. That's the entire point of replay. In real time, we can't see everything that happens. Refs can be out of position, refs can think they see something that isn't actually there. Replay shows us the things we don't see, or can't see, in real time. If that's not the purpose of replay, then what IS the purpose of replay? If we're not going to use it to see the things we missed in real time, then why have it at all? Get rid of it. It just slows down the game and turns it into a beating.
Scored too fast...Yeah, once Clemson was in FG range, that was best case scenario for OSU
Wtf was Fields looking at there? Must’ve been a broken play/miscommunication.Sucks. Just a miscommunication
Fields threw it right too the safety.
Sheesh. The best team lost.Penalties and red zone offense matter. Clemson found the inches. They shouldn't have just lost, they should have lost decisively. They didn't. Bully to them.
I think LSU is going to destroy them. They probably would've beaten OSU too, but Clemson got every bounce to go their way, and barely won this one. I don't see how they stay close with the Baton Rouge TigersDisagree.
Disagree.Yes, Oklahoma was clearly not good, but Clemson scored twice on drives extended by penalties, had an OSU TD nullified by a BS review, and had a WR fall down on the final play, just to squeak it out. OSU outgained them by 100 yards, and that is even with Clemson having 140 yards after drives extended by unforced errors. Unless OSU shoots themselves in the foot over and over and over, they win in a blowout. And unless LSU does the same, I don't see how Clemson hangs with them.
LSU just played a patsy in the final.
Clemson got tested by a really good team and responded.
Clemson is now playing for their what- 5th National Championship during the playoff era? Clemson is used to this stage. LSU isn’t.
I think Clemson wins their 3rd title in the last 4 years.
my eye test says the better team didn't win, not by a bunch, Clemson is a great teamFacts matter.
but you can't have penalties like that cost you a game
the targeting call was the correct call, but didn't need to happen. Don't tackle high. Get below the shoulders. w/o that call Clemson loses the game.
the roughing the punter??? WTH? player has to know better. If there's a chance the player doesn't understand, them don't call the play.
the incomplete pass/ fumble - looked like a catch and fumble to me - no reason that call on the field is overturned
great game
great season for the Buckeyes
my eye test says the better team didn't win, not by a bunch, Clemson is a great team
but you can't have penalties like that cost you a game
the targeting call was the correct call, but didn't need to happen. Don't tackle high. Get below the shoulders. w/o that call Clemson loses the game.
the roughing the punter??? WTH? player has to know better. If there's a chance the player doesn't understand, them don't call the play.
the incomplete pass/ fumble - looked like a catch and fumble to me - no reason that call on the field is overturned
great game
great season for the Buckeyes
How is that not targeting on Olave?He got creamed late in the 3rd beginning of the 4th,no Flag such BS.Next play was Fields 1st pick.But the refs reversed a TD,WTF Scott Van Pelt said it looked like a catch and so did everyone else.Don't mind losing just crap how the #@&^%$ do you reverse a legit TD.I think this should push for solid replay.I saw helmet to helmet on the ejection so can't bitch at that but the *@*#&^% Zebras miss the other shit.Buckeyes botched chances to put them away early
Really feel for Ohio State tonight. Played their guts out and for a number of reasons fate didn’t work out.Nah. Clemson is a great team.
Disagree.Wade lead with his shoulder, wrapped up and didn't launch. Text book good tackle. Lawrence turned into the hit that lead it being helmet to helmet.
Wade was targeting. I don’t understand these players. They know that targeting is going to get called every time. It’s f’in SIMPLE....STOP LEADING WITH YOUR FRICKEN HELMET.
Also, calling for the punt block was just stupid coaching. Harbaugh does that crap ALL the time and it’s bitten him in the ass way more times than I care to count.
IMO that was an incomplete. Watched it repeatedly in real time. WR never made a football move or ever really had possession of the ball.
This was Clemson's first, and only real test of the season.Ohio St halftime scores:
Sure, they have the talent, but the ACC sucks.
Would love to see "minutes played" as a stat here.
The weight of a tougher schedule and season plays a part in these games.
Clemson players had plenty of rest all season.
Now that those are done with, the real game is on Monday - ORANGE BOWL!I believe you mistyped "Tuesday" and "Alamo Bowl!" :)
btw, "had it re-taped in the lockerroom" = we shot him full of stuff so he can finish the game.More like, "He wanted us to shoot him full of stuff so he could finish the game. So, we did as asked."
Wade lead with his shoulder, wrapped up and didn't launch. Text book good tackle. Lawrence turned into the hit that lead it being helmet to helmet.all true, but it was definitely helmet to helmet. a penalty. Gotta go lower, below the shoulder pads and there's no penalty.
That’s what I don’t understand. Technically, I can see the call, but intent? Why the ejection?Word - call is a mess,call personal foul.But to take a future number 1pick off the field is horse hooey
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.Disappointing. I think he actually led with his shoulder, but Lawrence moved down and turned making it look more like helmet to helmet
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence
OSU AD Gene Smith lashes out at officialsGene should be more upset with the coaching and players than the officials.
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ (https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ)
If you’re going to use the helmet as a weapon- just make sure you go super low and try to take out a guys legs- bc that’s not a penalty and it never gets called.Not true. I've seen plenty of calls for tackling too low on a QB.
Impartial:This and in truth could be called against the offense every play.That Sooner DB who got kicked out was targeting.Wade was simply leaning in and their heads collide - like every other play during any game
it WAS targeting, intentions don't matter.
Not true. I've seen plenty of calls for tackling too low on a QB.there's plenty of target area below the neck and above the knee
How about they either a) eliminate tackling, or b) eliminate helmets?
Ohio St halftime scores:Are you kidding me?
28-3
28-0
30-10
49-5
38-0
27-10
31-3
10-0
42-0
35-7
14-0
28-16
7-21
Not sure I’m buying the argument Ohio St was just too beat up from playing into the 4th quarter every game.
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.Maryland averaged 3 of those a game this year, along with holding, which apparently doesn't happen at any school yesterday.
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence
More like, "He wanted us to shoot him full of stuff so he could finish the game. So, we did as asked."Wow.
That's how it works. Team players wanna play for their team. Others prepare for the draft.
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time. If we had to pick one thing, this is it. Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this.
Ohio State had a bunch of trips to the red zone and they got 3 or none how many times?
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time. If we had to pick one thing, this is it. Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this.I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??
If it's 24-7, OSU wins the game. Period. Done. Then we could avoid the whine-fest for 5 pages.
Wow.:72:
I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses. Winning teams score TDs. Losing teams kick FGs. That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.
It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses. Winning teams score TDs. Losing teams kick FGs. That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.Well no shit. Also three 50/50 calls that all go against OSU and cause a 21 point swing also affect the outcome.
OSU was moving the ball - they had to be, or else they wouldn't have had that many trips inside the 20.
A combination of OSU's failures and Clemson's efforts prevented OSU from getting into the end zone when they were so close.
If OSU clamps down and the defense keeps it up, OSU wins easily and all the FG trips don't matter - but we realize Clemson did come back, and thus, the FGs came back to bite OSU in the butt.
Are you kidding me?I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime. Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight. They weren’t. Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.
Show me on Clemson's schedule what compares to...
Michigan....
Wisconsin x2....
PSU.....
Ohio State couldn't rest their top players by half, like Clemson could.
Every competitive game comes down to 2-3-4 conspicuous and probably 8-9-10 inconspicuous "what ifs". It's the nature of the sport (and every sport). This one had several of the conspicuous types obviously, and they merit some discussion. Ten years from now, five even, all that will be remembered is that it was a close game, if that, and Clemson won, and not even that if LSU beats them.Is it me or do we have a healthy habit of indirectly whipping Utee with the same three sticks ('84 Cotton, '91 Cotton, and Route 66 games.). We all have our wounds, but man we love talking about those three games.
Did I mention the 1984 Cotton Bowl?
Well no shit. Also three 50/50 calls that all go against OSU and cause a 21 point swing also affect the outcome.YES!
YES!This is a message board not a practice facility. What do you think people are going to talk about? Don't be annoying.
You're missing the point: one thing is in your hands and the other isn't. You worry about what you can control.
Why does Lockheed sponsor a bowl? Am I a potential customer for an F-35B?you know the answer to that...
This is a message board not a practice facility. What do you think people are going to talk about? Don't be annoying.exactly..
I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime. Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight. They weren’t. Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.You showed half time scores, not who they played.
i recall, '95 maybe? UT played tOSU and beat them like a drum in a bowl game. they were penalized early costing them 15 yards on the kick after half for 'improper equipment'. they were wearing cleats too long, and that field was super sloppy... it looked like UT was faster by a massive margin, but... they could simply get traction. was it cheating? serendipitous mistake? if anyone who watched that game doesn't believe it a factor, they'd be crazy. and this, from a UT fan...There are tOSU fans who still refer to UT as "Tennecleat" or "Tennecheat" based on that game.
You showed half time scores, not who they played.Meh, people wait for the result and then make up reasons why the result happened. If Ohio St wins a close game you are probably citing being “battle tested” as a reason why. They lose and all of a sudden they are just too drained from a brutal schedule.
If you don't think the weight of playing a full season with a stronger schedule doesn't play a part at the end of the season, then please, by all means, tell that to the committee so we can get more teams in the playoff, and wipe away the theory that RB's have a shorter playing span, and the more hits you take, the more likely you are to get injured.
I'll be waiting for your submission.
why did BASF run ads, or 3M, or any # of other B2B corporations?
Why does Lockheed sponsor a bowl? Am I a potential customer for an F-35B?
I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime. Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight. They weren’t. Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.To simplify the point here:
why did BASF run ads, or 3M, or any # of other B2B corporations?Yeah, I wondered that all the time when they'd come on TV. I can only guess it's PR, like "We're a nice friendly company and deserve your tax dollars" or something so we can blow stuff up better.
write off.Yeah, it's a business expense, but you don't make money with this sort of write offs. Spend $100 and get $30 back in taxes.
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.Old guys who post on Internet message boards all year about the backup long snapper on Eastern Missouri State.
Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.I assume the goal was at one point to go wall to wall for people who took off between Christmas and New Years. And you gotta burn off bowls somewhere.
Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
I assume the goal was at one point to go wall to wall for people who took off between Christmas and New Years. And you gotta burn off bowls somewhere.Winner. "Capital One Bowl Week" was born of this.
I can find a vague reason to watch any of them, though today’s slate has less pull than tomorrow’s for me.
The OB has a lock with the ACC, I believe. Notre Dame would have been a far better choice here.Yes, they do. What they need to do is what the old BCS did (the "Big East Rule"). That rule allowed bowls to opt out on selecting a "contracted" team if they were ranked below a certain number (I forgot) or unranked. Maybe K60 will recall. I remember some discussion here on that, after the ACC screwed everything up.
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown".
Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
We already have 5 Dr. Pepper Bowls in early December. Please. No Mas.Who even drinks that stuff? It's disgusting.
My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown"."work"
We've since gone to a PTO honor system (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043269/vacation-policies-youll-envy-from-companies-you-dont-work-for) which negated the financial incentive for a forced shutdown. However, in my role, most of my customers are off for the holidays so I'm working from home, as it's incredibly slow. So having these games on gives me something to put on in the background while I work.
Who even drinks that stuff? It's disgusting.Hillbillies.
Notre Dame - Florida would attract some eye balls, including mine. Instead, ND played ISU in the Underpants bowl.The Toilet Bowl from Flushing,New York
Or was it the Tampax Bowl? Charmin Bowl? Did we ever have a Pepsi or Coke Bowl? Why not a Dr. Pepper Bowl? They could have Tech play State.
I'd like to see a "2000 Flushes Bowl". The AMX Bowl? The BMW Bowl? The Pepto Bismol Bowl.
The Tito's Vodka Bowl.
Hillbillies.Ahh, State fans then?
My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown".Yup. The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech. Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.
We've since gone to a PTO honor system (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043269/vacation-policies-youll-envy-from-companies-you-dont-work-for) which negated the financial incentive for a forced shutdown. However, in my role, most of my customers are off for the holidays so I'm working from home, as it's incredibly slow. So having these games on gives me something to put on in the background while I work.
Yup. The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech. Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.Yeah, although we were "shut down", it was actually less than half the company that was off. Our manufacturing facilities overseas were still going strong.
I used to work on Christmas Day back when I was in semiconductor manufacturing. Wafer fabs run 3 shifts and don't ever shut down. That sucked and is one of the many reasons I left semiconductors.
Yep. And they call it "Coke" when they order it.y'all are talkin bout Texans
Yeah, although we were "shut down", it was actually less than half the company that was off. Our manufacturing facilities overseas were still going strong.Me.
Was this you back in the day? "Time to make the semiconductors."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ)
Me.Me.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
And you don't ever order a Dr. Pepper by saying coke. That's just silly.This is true hereabouts. "Coke" means soft drink. Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.
But you do say, "Hey y'all I'm fixin' to go to the store and grab some cokes, anybody want one?" And when the reply is, "Sure!" then the response is, "Ok, what kind do you want? Coke? Dr. Pepper? Mountain Dew?"
This is true hereabouts. "Coke" means soft drink. Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.the unwashed masses
the unwashed masses
This is true hereabouts. "Coke" means soft drink. Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.
the unwashed massesCoke seems popular hereabouts. I have not been in a single restaurant that had Pepsi since we came here.
This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.Yeah, in Cincy they called it pop also, drove me crazy. Someone would ask me if I wanted a "pop". I thought they mean a popsicle.
This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.Does it drive you crazy when people refer to a Puffs tissue as a "Kleenex?" Or in days of yore, when people called a photocopy made on a Canon copier, a "Xerox?"
Does it drive you crazy when people refer to a Puffs tissue as a "Kleenex?" Or in days of yore, when people called a photocopy made on a Canon copier, a "Xerox?"Your point is well taken because I do generically call tissues a Kleenex. That being said, if I ask for a Kleenex and you hand me a Puffs I’d never know the difference.
I'm playing around of course. Slang, jargon, and diomatic expressions are interesting, but to me what's more interesting is determining why the different idioms exist in the first place.
Ketchup comes from the Hokkien Chinese word, kê-tsiap, the name of a sauce derived from fermented fish. It is believed that traders brought fish sauce from Vietnam to southeastern China.Just don't put it on hot dogs.
The British likely encountered ketchup in Southeast Asia, returned home, and tried to replicate the fermented dark sauce. This probably happened in the late 17th and early 18th centuries as evidenced by a recipe published in 1732 for “Ketchup in Paste,” by Richard Bradley, which referenced “Bencoulin in the East-Indies” as its origin. (See “How a Food Becomes Famous (http://onward.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/11/how-a-food-becomes-famous/).”)
But this was certainly not the ketchup we would recognize today (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/dining/building-respect-for-ketchup.html?pagewanted=all). Most British recipes called for ingredients like mushrooms, walnuts, oysters, or anchovies in an effort to reproduce the savory tastes first encountered in Asia. Mushroom ketchup was even a purported favorite of Jane Austen. These early ketchups were mostly thin and dark, and were often added to soups, sauces, meat and fish. At this point, ketchup lacked one important ingredient.
Wiley partnered with a Pittsburgh man named Henry J. Heinz who had started producing ketchup in 1876. Heinz was also convinced American consumers did not want chemicals in their ketchup. In answer to the benzoate controversy, Heinz developed a recipe that used ripe, red tomatoes—which have more of the natural preservative called pectin than the scraps other manufacturers used—and dramatically increased the amount of vinegar and to reduce risk of spoilage. Heinz began producing preservative-free ketchup, and soon dominated the market. In 1905, the company had sold five million bottles of ketchup.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/)
I showed that wasn’t close to being true.With no context, that info is as useful as a used condom.
He showed that Ohio State was often leading by a lot at the half and could have rested players in nearly every game had they chosen to do so.They did.
Western won.When I saw this at work I assumed that you meant "Western" Michigan.
When I saw this at work I assumed that you meant "Western" Michigan.Yes.
Nope. Both teams were "western" directional state schools.
Yes.Similarly, I predict that the Tigers who play their home games at Death Valley, will win the CFP championship this year.
That was the joke.
Similarly, I predict that the Tigers who play their home games at Death Valley, will win the CFP championship this year.HA!Ya some brilliant imaginations down yonder but at least Clemson fiqured out Tigers are Orange.Perhaps the hot sauce has the Cajuns seeing purple
FL/VA, a matchup of two ranked teams from two P5 conferences, should excite me a little. But although I'm going to watch it, it just doesn't seem all that exciting this year.Yet another of the most lopsided games you can watch this year.
Is it just me?
FL/VA, a matchup of two ranked teams from two P5 conferences, should excite me a little. But although I'm going to watch it, it just doesn't seem all that exciting this year.No. And it's not 2 P5 teams. One is G5.
Is it just me?
Yet another of the most lopsided games you can watch this year.So why is this one so bad? I looked at Wiki and it says it's ACC#1 vs SEC#2...
So why is this one so bad? I looked at Wiki and it says it's ACC#1 vs SEC#2...UVA was only ranked because the ACCCG would have looked pathetic had they not been, and they played Clemson.
I'm assuming that this became ACC#2 vs SEC #4 because Clemson and LSU are in the CFP, and Alabama/Georgia are in the NY6?
But because the ACC is so terrible this year, the ACC#2 is FAR inferior to SEC#4?
I'd just be all over Molly McGrath.Eh.
Yup. The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech. Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.Marcus right after college I worked at Applied Materials in Austin around 2001.That was definitely an eye opener.
I used to work on Christmas Day back when I was in semiconductor manufacturing. Wafer fabs run 3 shifts and don't ever shut down. That sucked and is one of the many reasons I left semiconductors.
Marcus right after college I worked at Applied Materials in Austin around 2001.That was definitely an eye opener.
Now I work for a large chemical company and since Christmas and New Years falls midweek if you take 5 days of vacation you get a good chunk of days off since Christmas Eve and New Year’s Eve are considered holidays. That and the 9 80 schedule of every other Friday off. I don’t go back to work until Jan 6th.
That's awesome! Enjoy the long break.Thanks! Good luck vs the Utes tomorrow.
The rule includes "in order to avoid a sack"....It does? I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.
It does? I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.I like the rule because when I am a neutral fan it keeps games interesting longer.
https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/
I (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/)t does say things like "to preserve yardage" and additional rules if it's done "to preserve time" but the specific exception is made for the immediate spike.
And I'm saying I don't like that exception. Why does it exist? It just adds another line item to an already too complex rulebook.
If you want to save time outs and still stop the clock, then you can take the penalty for grounding. Obviously just my opinion, I simply don't see a need to make a distinction in cases and treat them differently.
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the boardBut it does not just favor the offense it also favors that team that is behind. That keeps games interesting longer.
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the boardYup. Which is one reason I want it gone.
There really is no penalty for intentional grounding versus being sacked, and the clock stops, which can be desirable.In the NFL I believe it's 10 yards, or the would-be sack yardage? Don't recall exactly. It's not often called.
I'd like to see ALL intentional grounding calledThrowing the ball away is what good QBs do. They're taught that from a young age. And you just want to reverse that? Force the ball into a bad spot! Risk untold interceptions!
this outside of the tackle and ball thrown to the LOS is BULL!@#$
it's very intentional
try to make a play or get called
I think they are just trying to protect the QB and of course reward the offense to score more points
Throwing the ball away is what good QBs do. They're taught that from a young age. And you just want to reverse that? Force the ball into a bad spot! Risk untold interceptions!Throwing it away is what good QBs do because it's allowed by the rules.
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Crabby old man talk.
After every incomplete pass the new LOS is from where the QB threw it.Interesting indeed.
Genius, right? Am I right?
True, yet we love the game.
But we all have things we'd like to change about the game.
True, yet we love the game.Indeed. Only reason any of us keep coming back to this joint.
And my buddy just texted me saying UK’s scoop and score on the last play of the game allowed them to cover the spread.Not true. UK was 2pt dog. Their td to take the lead gave them the cover. The scoop n score was window dressing, or miracle whip.
Indeed. Only reason any of us keep coming back to this joint.Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook.
Beth Mowins is dressed like she is going on a nature hike immediately following the game.It would be nice if she would take a hike...
Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook.Why don't we have our own cookbook? Use the proceeds to fund the site?
Is she the lady announcer in the UK game? I would ask how she got that job, her voice is unappealing, to me. I didn't see her on camera.Spent 20-plus years working up to it.
I wanted to mute the sound.
Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook.Heh, amen brutha! :)
Which one of you is the best cook? Worst?You tryin' to start a fightin' war, Brutus?
I find the 80-20 ground chuck is best for burgers. I try and let the meat come near RT and then sear the heck out of them. The wife likes hers blu rare. Meh.I mix chuck roast and brisket point through the grinder. The point allows you to calibrate how much fat you want.
I usually don't serve on a bun. Cast iron works pretty well for this, and it works on an inductive stove.
I just had a Live Oak Primus weizenbock.Dayum those dark Hefe's sound w-a-a-ay better than the holiday ales.
Dayum those dark Hefe's sound w-a-a-ay better than the holiday ales.They're all good. I always go booze-free in January, so this is my last hurrah.
Nice. What are Hasselbeck potatoes? I've seen two mentions this week, and don't believe I'd ever heard of them before.They're pretty attractive and reeeeally conservative. :86:
I think the Utes roll tonight.Or not.
Haven't seen Bevo look this good in years.Tom Herman in bowls my man
Or not.Lulz
Tom Herman in bowls my manIf only all games could be bowl games!
They're pretty attractive and reeeeally conservative. :86:LOL! I've seen that chick, wasn't she on Survivor?
We have the kids tonight... We've had them since Christmas Day, and will give them back to their mom tomorrow at noon.I really like your wife. THAT is nice.
But we're going for a much more fancy dinner than we typically do with them. Surf & turf (tri tip and shrimp), with grilled asparagus, and a monkey bread that my eldest will be making. Gotta get him started young.
And speaking of cooking, I'd be remiss not to mention my Christmas gift from my wife--a 270 mm carbon steel gyuto, hand-forged by a blacksmith in Japan. It's amazing...
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That is what I made last night. Came out really good. Cannoli's were store-bought...Amazing!
Our plan was to go out to our favorite restaurant last night but on the way I had to stop at my sister’s and drop off a book my mom was loaning her.Sounds like a great time, I love it when things just come together organically.
We get to her house and her and her bf were making wings, cheese dip, and appetizers and just staying in for the night. They offered us a glass of wine and the next thing you know one glass is two and then we’ll eat our appetizers there instead of the restaurant and all of a sudden steaks are on the grill. Needless to say we never made it to the restaurant but had a really good time.
Oh weird. I just let a little 'yes' slip out under my breath when TTUN scored. I think it's more hating 'bama than liking their opponent, or conference pride, etc.You should take something for that.
Yep. And they call it "Coke" when they order it.Now it sounds like you're talking about Texans, at least from what I remember of the rambles of Hooky/CharleyHorse.
This is true hereabouts. "Coke" means soft drink. Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.Don't the folks "thereabouts" call it "Co-Cola"? They did when/where I lived in Alabama 50 years ago.
We were talking earlier about inconsistencies in rules, and one that I really don't like, is spiking the ball to stop the clock.Doesn't intentional grounding also include "in order to avoid a sack"?
Under normal circumstances, throwing the ball directly into the ground, while in the pocket, not passing the ball past the LOS, and with no receivers in sight, is flagged for Intentional Grounding. Why should it be different all of a sudden when a team wants to stop the clock? Shouldn't they still be penalized?
My position is, sure, you can stop the clock if you don't have any timeouts, but you still have to take the penalty yardage along with the loss of down.
Don't the folks "thereabouts" call it "Co-Cola"? They did when/where I lived in Alabama 50 years ago.My grandparents did, from east rural GA. Always thought it was funny.
It does? I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.The "to preserve yardage" part means the same thing as "to avoid a sack."
https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/
I (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/)t does say things like "to preserve yardage" and additional rules if it's done "to preserve time" but the specific exception is made for the immediate spike.
And I'm saying I don't like that exception. Why does it exist? It just adds another line item to an already too complex rulebook.
If you want to save time outs and still stop the clock, then you can take the penalty for grounding. Obviously just my opinion, I simply don't see a need to make a distinction in cases and treat them differently.
Wtf? Michigan boned on a truly terrible roughing the passer called that should have been called intentional grounding.I agree. Booth is saying you can no longer 'drive a player to the ground. ' wtf??? What is this rule? Is it really 2 hand touch now?
Wtf? Michigan boned on a truly terrible roughing the passer called that should have been called intentional grounding.Nah, can’t drive them in the ground like that.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/8250252/r/il/0ed5e9/1602970032/il_570xN.1602970032_9oon.jpg)Big Ten Fans bitching about Big Ten things on a Big Ten Board - who'd thunk it.Not everyone gets to line up against Virginia after all
Wow, some of you guys need to take these off and enjoy the games. For real.
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No, you cannot drive a guy into the ground anymore - that's been a thing for years.
No, it's not always intentional grounding.
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Jesus Christ.
Minnesota doing the conference proud so far.
Nah, can’t drive them in the ground like that.I don't know what that means.
[img width=273.429 height=310 alt=Image result for big ten glasses]https://i.etsystatic.com/8250252/r/il/0ed5e9/1602970032/il_570xN.1602970032_9oon.jpg[/img]Lol the for the rule to apply, the pass has to obviously be away AND he has to land on the player. Neither of those happened. Geez just admit that sometimes the refs bone a call. I'm not into constantly blaming the refs for things but this wasn't close and changed the game.
Wow, some of you guys need to take these off and enjoy the games. For real.
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No, you cannot drive a guy into the ground anymore - that's been a thing for years.
No, it's not always intentional grounding.
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Jesus Christ.
I don't know what that means.It’s another rule that makes it hard to play defense. But if a pass rusher hits and wraps up a QB he basically can’t fall on him with all his weight.
It’s another rule that makes it hard to play defense. But if a pass rusher hits and wraps up a QB he basically can’t fall on him with all his weight.But he didn't fall on him
Easier said than done. But as soon as I saw the replay I knew Hutchinson was getting flagged.
But he didn't fall on himYeah he did. What made that particular play look worse was when Hutchinson fell on him the crown of his helmet sort of came up under Jones’ facemask. It almost pushed Jones’ helmet off of his head.
Yeah he did. What made that particular play look worse was when Hutchinson fell on him the crown of his helmet sort of came up under Jones’ facemask. It almost pushed Jones’ helmet off of his head.This is a lost cause. We can't even agree if he landed on him. it's a sickness.
This is the 2nd time someone's said "hey, let us be wrong and push a false narrative in our corner of the internet and stop being a buzzkill."Learn the rules and then come at me. I didn't say there was a conspiracy. I said the refs boned the call. Which they absolutely did.
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No. NO!
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If the UM player let up, roughing wouldn't have been called. If there was no WR in the area, grounding would be called. Sorry/Not sorry that I'm holding you accountable on a silly football forum. I can't help but wonder if you're this slanted on something so trivial, is your process similar on more important topics?
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When your finger gets caught in the door, it didn't bite you. What you're doing is like a kid giving agency to inanimate objects. The refs aren't looking for ways to screw up. They're not pro-team A or anti-team B. UM isn't the good guys and Bama the bad guys.
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Having a shared reality is important. Let's share. Get out of the bubble.
https://twitter.com/DavidRNoe/status/1212455994363666444?s=19I don’t know what to tell you. To me, it looks pretty clear that all is weight is pretty much coming down on Jones’ head and neck area.
Hopefully that embeds properly. He doesn't actually land on him with his full body weight. This is both clear and obvious. I understand why the ref boned the call. But it got boned.
I don’t know what to tell you. To me, it looks pretty clear that all is weight is pretty much coming down on Jones’ head and neck area.👌
How was that not called targeting???If you're talking about the Bama guy launching into the Michigan guy's head as he was going down on the far sideline, I wondered that myself.
So a far more blatant targeting that OSU got flagged for gets ignored, followed immediately by Ronnie Bell getting credit for a catch with far less control than what the Clemson WR got called incompleteNever mention the refs. That's not what message boards are for
https://twitter.com/DavidRNoe/status/1212455994363666444?s=19But but but, if you have a different opinion than the non Big Ten fan your a sickness...
Hopefully that embeds properly. He doesn't actually land on him with his full body weight. This is both clear and obvious. I understand why the ref boned the call. But it got boned.
That was targeting on Bama. Hit him right in the ear holeYeah, I thought that could have been targeting too.
76 yrd td pass gophers. 31-24Man my tv setup doesn't favor flipping back and forth but these are two good games
If you're talking about the Bama guy launching into the Michigan guy's head as he was going down on the far sideline, I wondered that myself.
Man my tv setup doesn't favor flipping back and forth but these are two good gamesNeed some 1990s style PIP
Need some 1990s style PIPMan we had one of those as a kid and it was the coolest thing for like two hours
So a far more blatant targeting that OSU got flagged for gets ignored, followed immediately by Ronnie Bell getting credit for a catch with far less control than what the Clemson WR got called incompleteEhh. Clemson player only took 3.8 steps, Bell had a full 4 steps...
Man we had one of those as a kid and it was the coolest thing for like two hoursI remember seeing the Magnavox ads and begging for it. We got it and yeah...it was great until you realized you couldn't see either game.
Hard not to be happy for the Gophers. They had some disappointments late and showed up for the bowl game and should finish 11-2, which is remarkable. I think Auburn showed up also, they just were outplayed and out manned. I thought for a while Michigan was going to whip Bama with their running game, but it seems Bama tightened it up and caught a few breaks. These teams are close in talent I think, all four of them.Not THAT hard.
A break here, a missed call there, some weirdness over yonder, and you have a winner.
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:Such BS. Go get the Rose Bowl Wisconsin!!
Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.
LMAO.
I remember seeing the Magnavox ads and begging for it. We got it and yeah...it was great until you realized you couldn't see either game.Yeah, I hated it.
Minnesota makes me proud to be a Big Ten fan.
Thank you gophers!
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:
Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.
LMAO.
Hmm. Minnesota with a 1 score lead takes a knee to end the game.Might have to do with some of the off field comments and issues with Harbaugh and Saban.
Alabama with a 2 score lead runs a play for a TD to end the game.
Hmm.
Here's the proper way for PIP.Nice set up. Maybe someday when my kids are grown I can do that in our bonus room upstairs.
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:I think this was more an attempt at hype than anything serious. Auburn was supposed to be tough in the lines, but Minnesota exposed them rather obviously all day, and it was about as close to a blowout as a 7 point win ever can be.
Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.
LMAO.
Might have to do with some of the off field comments and issues with Harbaugh and Saban.Is that the issue where Harbaugh is all talk?
Ya just turned the game on and see UW up 10-7 yet they have practically negative yrds what happened?Kick return TD, INT to a FG.
Well that'll workThe INT was a good sign because on Oregon's first drive their offense looked like a hot knife through the butter that was Wisconsin's defense
Whew!Thanks for the free time out.
Hey, I'm back, sorry guys.
Did they show me on TV??? I know King Barry was enjoying my moves!
Anyway, it took them awhile to track me down.
I'm back home now.
Thanks for the free time out.Where do I procure your neghibors?
I'm back too. Neighbors knocked on the door and invited us over for Italian Beefs. Can't beat Italian Beefs.
Where do I procure your neghibors?I'll let you know when we are getting ready to move out. We have a great landlord too.
How is the spot not being reviewed? It looked like he got the 1st by at least 6 inches.That was strange. And I’m annoyed to took a timeout and they still didn’t.
Man, I really don’t like that call.There were a few I didn't like. Especially that one.
Badgers dominating but shooting themselves.Kinda like a team from C-Bus
Once he had the 1st down the Badgers should have let him score.He would’ve figured out to stop at some point.
I have no idea why, on a 3rd and 3 with the game on the line, the corner for UW was playing that far off the WR.When you’re in that loaded box setup, it’s usually cover-3. I suppose press would’ve been smarter, but I also assume most teams just run.
He would’ve figured out to stop at some point.Probably, but once he passed the 1st down marker the Badgers' only chance was to hope he got the TD, then try to score a TD and 2pt conversion for OT.
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls.The one you linked earlier with Dobbins getting head butted the 1st series after Wade got tossed for the very same thing.In the 3rd qtr a Clem.DB ran into Olave as the ball bounced off the DB no flag.A program shouldn't have to face a staunch opponent and the officials also but I was pissed saturday night
How does the board intelligentsia view this matchup.Giant meteor?
Evil SEC vs Baylor.
How does the board intelligentsia view this matchup.Lol. You eliminated me with “ intelligentsia” but I will weigh in. No dog in the fight- just like to see a good game. I think both coaches are good.
Evil SEC vs Baylor.
Ha - this from 11 Warriorslooked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caught
"I'm not a lip reader but I'm pretty sure Paul Chryst uttered some profanities."
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls.None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic. Officials are human. They will make mistakes. You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials. And I get why. We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game. We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.
It shouldn’t be that way.
Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
Rhule is a very likable dude. Last game for the art smock apparently.Because the Giants won't let him wear that "outfit" on their sidelines?
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls.I’m betting it’s a blend of better replay, super available replay and more and more rules. Plus I think certain things are being taken more advantage of (OPI and lineman downfield), so we’re looking for it more and refs are looking for the first one more.
It shouldn’t be that way.
Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
looked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caughtI mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.
good call IMO
I'm not a fan of all the picks and blocks before the ball is thrown
and I was rooting for the Badgers
that loss cost me a wager with my Brother - now I owe him lunch next week in Texas
The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic. Officials are human. They will make mistakes. You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials. And I get why. We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game. We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.No I’m not really glossing over anything. I acknowledge that Wisconsin lost because they made too many errors. I will acknowledge it again now - for absolute clarity. Wisconsin lost because they made too many mistakes.
We’ll never have that though. I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way. As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
I mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball. The ref felt compelled to call it.
On that route combo, he’s supposed to run the defender off, at least when when defender isn’t initiating contact throughout.
(I don’t think it was a game-changing call, but maybe one that was too cute in the moment. I’m betting we could find a ton of OPI picks on actual designed run plays)
Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball. The ref felt compelled to call it.The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic. Officials are human. They will make mistakes. You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials. And I get why. We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game. We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.The call the Badgers are complaining about could have gone either direction, which is why it perhaps should not have been called, or if called, called against Oregon. Having said that, I can live with the call. I cannot endorse all the turnovers the Badgers made.
We’ll never have that though. I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way. As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.Double bonus play was Lotti dropping the ball on a punt attempt. I noticed he never touched the ball again after that.
Outside the Davis fumble, biggest UW play was having 3rd and 4 before that last field goal blown up. Get a jet blown up (after like seven of them) and then unable to cap the drive, that’s a killer. (Bonus play was the hold that made it 1st and 20 from the 39 before the missed kick).
Obviously also must say, the late first half TD and the returns were massive swing plays that helped UW.
The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?
Still too big a moment to get cute with a middling at best call. And if it had gone the other way, I'd be telling you "man, UW got a big break there because that was a mighty dicy call."
The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it.
I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it.Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.
Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.Hmm, I honestly can’t find it in the boxscore.
Yeah, I don't see it in the box score either. On the play I'm talking about, it looked like Pryor was actually trying to grab the defender, and he whiffed. Then he was called for holding anyway.I specifically remember that play. He was called for holding because he had the intent to hold he just missed. It was another horrible call in a sea of them this last few days
Maybe all punters are weird, but Lotti is a weird kid, I've heard. I wonder if he goes back to school to finish his degree, or just transfers somewhere else to do it.
I specifically remember that play. He was called for holding because he had the intent to hold he just missed. It was another horrible call in a sea of them this last few daysNow as you mention it I recall this too. A Wisconsin player apparently reached and to try and hold and completely whiffed. He whiffed as bad as Wisconsin's punter whiffed. The holding shouldn't have been called. I don't recall what happened in sequence afterward following the whiffed holding and whether it affected the game.
7 pm, ESPNThis game, to an extent, reminds me of the Purdue/Auburn game last year in the Music City Bowl... A game that I'm painfully unable to forget.
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
Tennessee v. Indiana
Thanks to some truly rotten luck, the Big Ten is 4-4 in bowls instead of 6-2 and now needs a Hoosier win to get above .500. Their task is to take down the mighty Volunteers of Tennessee. Perhaps the most puzzling movement I've seen this year was the cry for Jeremy Pruitt to win coach of the year in the SEC after going 7-5 with losses to Georgia State and BYU. I read one article that he led "the greatest turnaround in program history" after close wins over Kentucky and Missouri. In any event, Tennessee does play pretty good defense and the Hoosiers can move the ball, although they lost their offensive coordinator so how they move on from that will be a question.
This game, to an extent, reminds me of the Purdue/Auburn game last year in the Music City Bowl... A game that I'm painfully unable to forget.Maybe, though last year auburn finished 7th in SP+ and Purdue 44th. This year Tennessee is 32 and Indiana 24
Essentially it was a team that had punched above its weight to an extent to make it to a bowl game at all at 6-6, against a much more talented (per the STARZ on the roster) team that had a few bad breaks to fall to a 7-5 record.
In some sense it came down to who really wanted to be there (I was hoping Auburn would be disinterested), but if both teams came to play, the talent disparity was ENORMOUS and far too large to overcome. Sadly, the latter scenario happened and Purdue got run off the field.
I don't like this site's methodology (I think it overweights freshmen), but they have the 4-year recruiting ranking of Tennessee at 17th in the nation, and of Indiana at 41st in the nation. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class)
That's a problem, if Tennessee comes in with a chip on their shoulder.
I suspect that Indiana, by virtue of an easy schedule, is not as good as their 8-4 record would suggest. And Tennessee is a lot more talented than their 7-5 record would imply, considering the team at the end of 2019 would likely have beaten Georgia State to be 9-3 and in a more prominent bowl.
Maybe, though last year auburn finished 7th in SP+ and Purdue 44th. This year Tennessee is 32 and Indiana 24Fair enough. ESPN FPI has Tennessee 30th and Indiana 35th, which isn't a big gap.
If your team draws Boston College in a bowl game at this point, is there any point in even planning on there being a game?There might be more players on the field than fans in the stands.
Fair enough. ESPN FPI has Tennessee 30th and Indiana 35th, which isn't a big gap.Yes. Though it is not result based - being good against Penn State but losing will count more than liking like crap and winning
Indiana won 7 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 28.6%. Not a single team they beat finished the year with a winning record.
Tennessee won 6 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 48.6% (regular season, bowls excluded). 4 of those 6 teams finished bowl-eligible.
Is SP+ adjusted for strength of schedule? Because Tennessee's was definitely tougher.
There might be more players on the field than fans in the stands.It's more than last years bowl game for BC.
W I N D I A N AMore wins this decade than Clemson or LSU
Not sure why this never occurred to me, but why did they build the Gator Bowl in the first place? For two games a year?And those two games still draw more folks than the NFL team.
Uh oh, guys. Shield your eyes from the conference bowl records...Yes, but the fumble, scoop, and score was just that, a fumble, scoop, and score. This year will go down as the year of the SEC football officiating team as winners. SEC, SEC, SEC. Go officiating team!!!
Yes, but the fumble, scoop, and score was just that, a fumble, scoop, and score. This year will go down as the year of the SEC football officiating team as winners. SEC, SEC, SEC. Go officiating team!!!well... sorta.
More wins this decade than Clemson or LSU?
?Yeah, that one sorta backfired.
Yeah, that one sorta backfired.Oh right, Fiesta was in December.
All three teams are currently tied at zero wins for this decade, the 2020s.
As another big ten season winds down I just want to say it's been a pleasure to enjoy everyone's company.Same here.
Bearcats win.Does Fickell get phone calls this off season? They did pretty well. Teams that fired their coach might be sniffing.
The difference between 7-2 and 1-8 often is a few plays or ref calls in bowl season.Osborne and Pelini liked to point this out - post-game
Does Fickell get phone calls this off season? They did pretty well. Teams that fired their coach might be sniffing.Apparently he rebuffed multiple schools last year, including WVU, Maryland and Louisville.
?I was actually watching the MSU basketball game, and thought Sam's post meant the game was over.
The Sugar Bowl has taken the SEC champion for a long long time now, against some at large. the Rose Bowl obviously favored the Big Ten/Pac matchup for a longer time. The Orange more recently took the ACC champion, if available. The Cotton back in the day would often get the SEC #2 team.Just as the Sugar took the SEC champ, the Cotton was bound to the SWC champ. Then they could take any at-large team. It sometimes an SEC team, although the B8, B10, and Notre Dame and Penn State made plenty of appearances over the years as well.
something occur in the SEC that season?Yeah. The rematch happened.
That's because basketball is dumb.😂😂
I'm impressed that the bowl thread caught and surpassed the basketball thread in length.the way it should be
Imagine if Clemson was in the SEC instead of USCe ...I assume they'd be 7-5