It's become an annual thing. Isn't that amazing???Barry Sweatshirt saw this coming in the 80's
I gotta go to Thanksgiving, but one more tidbit about possibly the best defense, at least of my lifetime.That really was a terrific defense. But WVU had a lousy offense and special teams that was even worse. They were 7-0 and ranked in the top 10 when Miami came to town. They were up 7-3 with like 30 seconds left when Tremain Mack blocked a punt that Miami returned for a TD. Up until the 13-9 loss to Pitt that cost them a shot at the BCS Title game that was the most devastating loss in my lifetime. It was an excruciating way to lose a game especially considering it ended an undefeated season.
1996 West Virginia
WHO???
In terms of yards per play allowed, both rushing and passing, WV's '96 defense is the only one I've found that rates as elite in both. 2.0 yards per rush or less AND 5.0 yards per pass attempt or less. BOTH! Incredible!
And what's more - that Mountaineer team wasn't great - it only went 8-4. What???
WV didn't allow a TD until Oct 5th. Any type of TD.
3 of their 4 losses were to ranked teams, and their offense only put up a single score in 2 of the losses. Canute Curtis had a big sack year. Despite having a 1,000 yard rusher and a 1,000 yard receiver, the offense was retarded by poor B play. Didn't have good season from the kicker or punter. Just and all-time elite defense.
Anyway, I just wanted to put that out there. Greatness deserves to be identified - even if it's by a nerdy guy on a random website on a holiday. Right?
How on earth did the 2000 Warshington Huskies go 11-1???I find it interesting too. I definitely would have thought Tuiasosopo had better numbers than that
Won the Rose Bowl
Gave two teams their only loss of the season
QB finished 8th in the Heisman voting, but had a really bad season
20th in scoring offense, 46th in scoring defense, but went 11-1
What caught my eye was how poor QB Tuiasosopo's season was. I remember him as a good runner and good-enough passer. His 8th place finish for the Heisman mirrored my memory of him. But he was awful.
52.6% completion percentage
14 TD, 11 INT
putrid 115.9 rating
awful yards per attempt (6.6)
So he had a high volume, throwing a lot of passes without much payoff.
Fine, his strength was as a runner, right? He must have had 1,000 yards on the ground, or something near that, right?
394 yards rushing
Hmmmph. Good yards per carry average?
3.1
Shit. So the guy with the godawful passer rating was also an unproductive, marginal-at-best runner. Then how in the hell was he 8th in the Heisman??? How did Washington finish 11-1???? And against the 4th toughest schedule that year?!?!?
"Leadership", I guess. Lots and lots of articles touting leadership. Ugh.
Washington didn't have a great defense. Didn't have a good turnover ratio. Hell, they only picked off 6 passes all year. Didn't have any return TDs. Kicker wasn't great. Punter stunk. Didn't have a lot of sacks. What in the hell?
They beat Miami? They beat Miami. Miami, with Dorsey, Portis, Wayne, Moss, Shockley, Reed, Buchanan, Morgan....wtf???
Okay, that's one game, fine. Upsets happen, great.
They beat Oregon State. 11-1 Oregon State. Best Oregon State team ever, Oregon State. With 1500 yard rusher Simonton, Chad Jackson, and TJ Housmansomething? wtf?
Aside from the close Miami win, UW had 5 other one-score victories. None of those teams finished above .500. They played to their opponent's level, I guess. The numbers say they should have gone 8-4. I guess the guy who couldn't pass and was an ineffective runner "led" them to 3 more wins than they should have gotten.
Meh, I don't care, it's just interesting to me.
Every QB recruit the Gators signed from 2010-2014 (5 years, 7 players) transferred away from Florida. Yes, that will cause a downturn in a program, even if it's coached by Nick Saban or Vince Lombardi.the downturn occurred whe Meyer left and the following coaches didn't stay
Right, but most any program has had a worse run than Florida did from '10-'14, and still, this unprecedented thing occurred. The specificity of it is the amazing thing.I’m not sure what part is more notable, the oddities on the margins or the sort of natural churn.
Not just the backup not getting playing time decides to transfer, the guy who started 20 games leaves, too. And the guy who never played and the guy who was doing well, but got in trouble. And the backup for the guy who left who is now getting playing time, he leaves, too.
Everyone. Total. Gone.
How does a team whose defense did THAT still go on to lose 5 games?I get the point. You asked the question
Got a new one....#1 in rushing offense @ 342 per game
How did the 2014 Georgia Tech team finish 8th in the country while ranking 100th or worse in both yards per carry allowed and yards per pass attempt allowed? It's incredible.
They didn't have an abnormal number of INTs on D(18). Not great special teams. A good, option offense, sure, but still! VERY unique team.
Their last 4 games were wins vs #18, #8, and #8 again (bowl). The only loss was vs #2, by 2 points.
It doesn't make sense!
I've been reviewing the top 10s, starting in 1971. Houston really had a good run in the late 70s. Anyone recall those Cougars teams, coached by Bill Yeoman?Meyer was offered the New England Patriots job and took it.
Also, I had no idea Charley Pell had a big year with Clemson (11-1) before coaching at Florida (and getting us on probation).
Texas' Fred Akers always had a great defense.
Boy, Bo sure did have a great run at UM - seemingly top 10 and often top 5 every year, but never breaking through.
SMU was a top 5 team in both 81 and 82, but changed head coaches. Did that have anything to do with the cheating that was going on there?
I just want someone who wasn't in diapers (like me) back then to share the thinking at the time of these guys/programs.
Yes, but I was too young to remember it well.I'm in the upper left part of the photo, barely visible.I was there in another life
Here's a football oddity for y'all.Holy hell!
2008 UCLA @ Arizona St (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=283330009) when the Sun Devils beat the Bruins by 25 (34-9)
Now these were both mediocre teams, neither went to a bowl this season but damn was this specific game quite unique.
Now while the UCLA offense didn't exactly tear it up (306 total yards) the ASU offense played like hot ass gaining only 122 total yards for the game. UCLA yards per carry wasn't great at 2.5 but ASU only managed 0.9 YPC. UCLA completed twice as many passes as ASU with a 9% higher comp % and 1 more yard per pass.
So how did ASU win by 25 points? If you haven't clicked the link already you probably already are guessing turnovers and/or special teams and while that's not wrong, it's still quite rare what ASU accomplished to beat UCLA by such a solid margin.
While the UCLA offense only managed 9 points off 3 FGs, that still outscored what the ASU offense did (6 points off 2 FGs). The ASU defense forced 4 Bruin turnovers and scored on every single one of them. That's absurd. Especially seeing that ASU's defense outgained their offense off these 4 turnovers.
UCLA QB sacked, fumbled, and defense scoops it up and takes it 17 yards for a score.
UCLA throws a 38 yard pick six
UCLA throws a 100 yard pick six
UCLA throws a 45 yard pick six
That's exactly 200 yards in 4 plays, 78 more yards then the entire offense managed in 50 plays.
Yes, but I was too young to remember it well.Not GT, but this tech. Alabama Polytechnic Institute.
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I'm in the upper left part of the photo, barely visible.
As Georgia Tech (http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/geot-m-footbl-body.html) did not yet have its own team, the Athens Weekly Banner reported that "the Technological school was out in force wearing the colors of the University and aiding the lung gang by vigorous use of cow bells." The score was tied 0-0 at the half, and the second half, marked by heavy rain, produced a final score of Auburn 10, Georgia 0.
Between 2,000 - 3,000 people attended the game at Piedmont Park, with tickets 50 cents for adults and 25 cents for children. It was Atlanta's first experience with college football, and in the weeks leading up to the meeting, the city's papers explained the new sport to their readers as well as hyping the game by noting that "Atlanta is wild over the matter."
So now we know the origin of the cow bell thing. Blame it on Tech. The train track is not where the East Beltline trail runs, though that portion is not yet improved, it's gravel and mud.
In the final poll of 2000, none of the top 4 teams had finished in the top 10 of the previous year's final poll. That's got to be rare, I'll look it up later to see.Doesn’t quite meet your criteria but the final AP Poll of 1985 was
FYI: 1-OU, 2-Miami, 3-Washington, 4-Oregon St
perhaps he was told by administration he couldn't cheat any longer there?But wouldn't they have self-reported, as all guilty parties do? lol
so yer saying he won the close ones?About 3 a year, sure...
Could this be why the option was a thing for 20+ years?I believe that the old single-wing offense had option elements to it, but the first real option offense may have been the split-T, introduced at Mizzou by Don Faurot in 1941. It was the predecessor to the veer and the wishbone.
I was watching some old college football games on youtube. Many of the fields were that old, tough astroturf - basically concrete with carpet over it. And at a few angles, I got to see how sever the crown of the field was. Some were bad, you could only see the top half of the other team across the way, then I remembered hearing old players talk about how theirs was so bad, you couldn't even see the other players across the field.
I know a crown is for drainage, and it's supposed to be slight, but over time, with no one keeping an eye on it, and these artificial fields sprouting up everywhere, the lack of regulations would lend itself to the idea some crowns were extreme.
I know the veer and single-wing were older, but didn't Royal at Texas come up with the triple option? And from that all these different incarnations came, obviously. But basically, on many of the plays, it was basically a race to the sideline, wasn't it? And with all these fields of concrete with severe crowns, wouldn't that make sense?
On a grass field with a noticeable crown, you simply fix it by moving dirt and laying some more grass on it. But back then, you weren't going to rip up your paved stadium floor, were you?
So that's the question - was a paved, crowned field surface the reason option football was a thing?
Don Faurot, the head coach of the Missouri Tigers, developed the split-T and unleashed it onto the college football world in 1941.[8] He combined this new formation with the athletes he had at running back and quarterback and created an offensive juggernaut. The Tigers finished the season 8-1, with the sole loss in the season opening out of conference game at #10 Ohio State. They were the Big Six Conference champions, ranked #7 in the AP poll, and accepted the invitation to play #6 Fordham in the 1942 Sugar Bowl.
In 1946, Jim Tatum became the Oklahoma head coach. He installed the split-T offense that he had learned as an assistant coach under Don Faurot at the U.S. Navy's Iowa Pre-Flight school football team during World War II. In his first year, he turned around Oklahoma's losing record and delivered a Big Six Conference championship.[9] In 1947, Tatum left Oklahoma for Maryland, where he saw even more success with the split-T, including a consensus national championship in 1953.[10]
Bud Wilkinson, also a Faurot assistant at Iowa Pre-Flight, was the next Sooners head coach. In 1953, after losing to Notre Dame and tying Pittsburgh, Oklahoma beat arch-rivals Texas, 19–14, and went on to win their next 46 games in a row, setting an NCAA record that stands to this day. Notre Dame book-ended the streak when they again beat Oklahoma in Norman, 7–0 on November 16, 1957.[11]
Tatum and Wilkinson would later face off in the 1954 Orange Bowl, when #1/#1 Maryland and #4/#5 Oklahoma met on the field for the first time. Both teams used the split-T as their base offense. Other top football programs used the split-T during this period as well, including Alabama, Houston, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State.
While the record books commonly refer to Emory Bellard developing the wishbone formation in 1968 as offensive coordinator at Texas,[2] the wishbone's roots can be traced back to the 1950s. According to Barry Switzer, it was Charles “Spud” Cason, football coach at William Monnig Junior High School of Fort Worth, Texas, who first modified the classic T formation in order “to get a slow fullback into the play quicker.”[3] Cason called the formation “Monnig T”. Bellard learned about Cason's tactics while coaching at Breckenridge High School, a small community west of Fort Worth.
Earlier in his career Bellard saw a similar approach implemented by former Detroit Lions guard Ox Emerson, then head coach at Alice High School near Corpus Christi, Texas. Trying to avoid the frequent pounding of his offensive line, Emerson moved one of the starting guards into the backfield, enabling him to get a running start at the opposing defensive line. Bellard served as Emerson's assistant at that time. During his high school coaching career in the late '50s and early '60s, Bellard adopted the basic approaches of both Cason and Emerson, as he won two 3A Texas state championships Breckenridge in 1958 and 1959 and a 4A state title at San Angelo Central High School in 1966, using a wishbone-like option offense.
In 1967 Bellard was hired by Darrell Royal and became offensive coordinator a year later. The Texas Longhorns only scored 18.6 points per game in a 6–4 season in 1967. After watching Texas A&M—running offensive coordinator Bud Moore and Gene Stallings' option offense—beat Bear Bryant's Alabama team in the 1968 Cotton Bowl Classic, Royal instructed Bellard to design a new three-man back-field triple option offense. Bellard tried to merge his old high school tactics with Stallings' triple option out of the Slot-I formation and Homer Rice's variations of the Veer, an offensive formation created by Bill Yeoman.
Introducing the new offensive scheme at the beginning of the 1968 season, Houston Chronicle sportswriter Mickey Herskowitz stated it looked like a “pulley bone”, while Royal agreed but changed the name to “wishbone”.[4] Royal quickly embraced the idea of the wishbone, though it did not immediately work, as the Longhorns tied their first game running the new offense and went into halftime of their second game against Texas Tech trailing 21–0. This led Royal to make the first of two changes which proved key to the future success of the wishbone. He replaced initial starting quarterback Bill Bradley, who proved to have trouble with the reads and pitches that were key to the new formation, with James Street, who nearly led the Longhorns to a comeback win. Then, while analyzing film from the Texas Tech loss, an assistant noticed that fullback Steve Worster was reaching the line of scrimmage too soon. At the assistant's suggestion, Royal and Bellard then had Worster start a step farther back from the quarterback. According to Bradley, "When we moved Worster back and James took over, we just caught fire."[5] Texas won its next 30 games, leading to two national championships using the formation.[6] In 1971 Royal showed the offense to Bear Bryant, who was so enamored with it that he installed it at Alabama complete with his own touches.
Bellard later left Texas and – using the wishbone – guided Texas A&M and Mississippi State to bowl game appearances in the late 1970s. At Mississippi State Bellard “broke the bone” and introduced the “wing-bone”, moving one of the halfbacks up to a wing formation and frequently sending him in motion. Another variation of the wishbone formation is called the flexbone.
Ironically, the longest running wishbone offense was run not by Texas but by their arch-rivals, the University of Oklahoma, who ran variations of the wishbone well into the mid-1990s. Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer has been credited by some for having “perfected” the use of the wishbone offense and former OU quarterback Jack Mildren is often referred to as "the Godfather of the wishbone" by University of Oklahoma football fans.[7] In 1971, the Oklahoma Sooners wishbone offense set the all-time NCAA single-season rushing record at 472.4 yards per game, a record which still stands to this day.[8]
Sort of like the rumor of ND letting the grass grow higher for uber-talented teams coming to play in South Bend, huh? Well if there's any connection, it hadn't occurred to me until yesterday, and it'd be cool if I was right.the big crown was for the fast guy that always ran out of bounds before taking a hit
Doing some research yesterday, apparently the old Cowboys Stadium had a big crown. Just another reason for people to discredit Emmitt Smith, I guess.
There are a couple low-angle shots, at a slant across the field, but the TV shots wouldn't be perceivable, no matter how big the crown was.
Here are some highlights of Texas running the wishbone in 1969. The field does not appear to be particularly high-crowned.
The crown would seem to help or hinder defenders just as much as offensive guys.if you practice on it
1995 Husker Retro - Fiesta Bowl predictions.... and Grass"Florida's going to control the ball by throwing it and scoring quickly." Or words to that effect. That doesn't even make sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrOc2sxgjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrOc2sxgjw)
1995 Husker Retro - Fiesta Bowl predictions.... and Grass - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrOc2sxgjw)
"Florida's going to control the ball by throwing it and scoring quickly." Or words to that effect. That doesn't even make sense.So his age evidently has nothing to do with his perspective
So his age evidently has nothing to do with his perspectiveRight. You can blather nonsense at any age.
I'm not sure why we feel the need to hammer Corso and/or Beano. I loved Beano. Yeah, he (like another guy I knew locally) couldn't go a breath w/o uttering Notre Dame, but he was a great source of commentary and perspective on college football. He cut his teeth working at Pitt for years, among other stops. He was a good soul, and Corso's a great personality for college football too. These guys are/were just having fun like the rest of us.Maybe it's something like this: hate Notre Dame => hate Beano Cook.
I'm not sure why we feel the need to hammer Corso and/or Beano. I loved Beano. Yeah, he (like another guy I knew locally) couldn't go a breath w/o uttering Notre Dame, but he was a great source of commentary and perspective on college football. He cut his teeth working at Pitt for years, among other stops. He was a good soul, and Corso's a great personality for college football too. These guys are/were just having fun like the rest of us.yup, I'd kill for that job
I'd love to do Play by play,analysis,color on the stage with some of you yokels
I'm sure you're right, but I'd guess it pays better than my current gig and I'd be doing something I have a passion about I'd take a crack at itNailed it
hopefully I could get past the face for radio
I'd love to do Play by play,analysis,color on the stage with some of you yokelsI'd be too boring... the anti-Skip Bayless. I'd be prudent and have support for my claims. That would earn me some low ratings, I'm sure.
I guess I'll ask this here......in my head, Penn State had a split of the NC in 1994. I know they didn't for some reason, but they so easily should have, that I count it. And I've counted it for so long, I include them automatically when listing such things.Nah, I’m the exact same way. Whenever I’m running through a list of past national champions in my head my first instinct is to always include Penn St because I felt like they deserved one. I have to remind myself they didn’t actually win either poll that season. And, no, for whatever reason it’s not the same for Auburn and I don’t know why either.
Am I the only one who does that?
If you wonder about 2004 Auburn, it's not the same to me, but I don't know why. Maybe because USC destroyed a very good OU team that year? Anyway, how do you all consider them?
I'd be too boring... the anti-Skip Bayless. I'd be prudent and have support for my claims. That would earn me some low ratings, I'm sure.Why start that shit now? ;D Well we could have MDoT next to you doing the color,I'm sure when word got out it'd be a windfall.Couldn't do worse than the empty vessels they shove out there now.Gary Danielson for instance,guy should have some dignity and wipe Saban's cack off of his chin already
tough to set up the screen when ya never passHe had 19, but the Cowpokes did have a good passing game that year, throwing for over 2,000 yds.
how many receptions did he get? less than 20?
Hart Lee Dykes! I was just mentioning him to my wife today, as we were listening to his old Cowboy head coach Pat Jones on the radio.I always thought it was more than that, Illinois and A&M were caught up in that too. He sung like a bird to the NCAA.
How many recruits manage to see three schools get slapped with probation over their recruitment of him? Hart Lee Dykes did--OU, fOSU, and SMU all got penalized for the manner in which they recruited him.
Athlon's ranking of the national champions of the last 50 years is so bad, it must be trolling. I counted to 10 and I'm moving on. Breathe.......This stuff should be on my list of useless lists and rankings.
which led to the Big 12Which led to the end of the annual OU-Nebraska game.
Which led to the end of the annual OU-Nebraska game.this is why some Husker fans really really dislike Texas
Dadgum Big 12.I and many blame DeLoss Dodds and Texas
I and many blame DeLoss Dodds and TexasYes, but OU sided with Texas at almost every key decision point. So you can blame David Boren too.
sloppy joes being called barbecueMy mom did this growing up, and that's all I knew them as until I was in my teens, and wondered why. I've literally never heard anyone but her (and her parents) call them that
this is why some Husker fans really really dislike TexasI thought this was why....
the other stuff isn't important enough to build really really strong dislike
My mom did this growing up, and that's all I knew them as until I was in my teens, and wondered why. I've literally never heard anyone but her (and her parents) call them thatShe called sloppy joe's bbq?
I thought this was why....nope, many fans of other teams think the 1-9 record vs the Horns is the reason. It's not.
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In following up with my earlier post about great Saturdays in college football, I next submit October 15, 1994, with 5 games between ranked teams (including two games between top 6 teams, which included #1 going down at home), and a pair of helmets suffering upset losses, plus the 3rd Saturday in Septemberwho is the 3rd sat in sept? only one that pops up on google machine is uf/tenn, but they didn't play that weekend.
#6 Auburn 34, #1 Florida 31 (@Gainesville)
#2 Nebraska 17, #16 Kansas State 6 (@Manhattan)
#3 Penn State 31, #5 Michigan 24 (@Ann Arbor)
#4 Colorado 45, #22 Oklahoma 7
#10 Alabama 17, Tennessee 13 (@Knoxville)
Rice 19, #12 Texas 17
#14 Arizona 10, #20 Washington State 7 (@Pullman)
BYU 21, #17 Notre Dame 14 (@South Bend)
I hate when that happens. I get snitty. I had a GF once from Long Island walking about barbecuing swordfish. I was perplexed.I've yet to meet a sane one. Well, a sane one that was also interested in me.
She had great legs. She was a bit crazy though. I seem to have stumbled across crazy females until I met the current wife.
In following up with my earlier post about great Saturdays in college football, I next submit October 15, 1994, with 5 games between ranked teams (including two games between top 6 teams, which included #1 going down at home), and a pair of helmets suffering upset losses, plus the 3rd Saturday in September
#6 Auburn 34, #1 Florida 31 (@Gainesville)
#2 Nebraska 17, #16 Kansas State 6 (@Manhattan)
#3 Penn State 31, #5 Michigan 24 (@Ann Arbor)
#4 Colorado 45, #22 Oklahoma 7
#10 Alabama 17, Tennessee 13 (@Knoxville)
Rice 19, #12 Texas 17
#14 Arizona 10, #20 Washington State 7 (@Pullman)
BYU 21, #17 Notre Dame 14 (@South Bend)
Truth occasionally I'll go to opponents board.The widest one might be The Red Cedar Message Board.A bastion of Sparty supporters and a bit salty I might add.I use to go to Shaggy Bevo but that place had fleas.I swear I've only had to take my Laptop in 3x to get cleaned in 3 years.Coincidentally each time after visiting there,SMDHI don't think Shaggy Bevo exists anymore, MrNubbz. UT made them drop the "Bevo" part of the name, so they morphed into Shaggy Texas. But, after a while, it wasn't the same. Maybe there was a purge, maybe all the best posters just went elsewhere, or maybe something happened with the ownership. There was a great (by Texas standards, anyway) poster named Scipio Tex on Shaggy Bevo. He wasn't on Shaggy Texas the last time I visited it.
BY DAVID MAX (https://www.huskermatwitter.com/author/davidmax) ON 8/4/2019This is sexy. :72:
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I seem to have stumbled across crazy femalesIt's a rampant,unabating afflication that has lambasted the unsuspecting
I've harped on it once before, but since I'm making every top-10 team going back a ways, I recently made the QB card for the top-10 Michigan team in 1975. They went 8-2-2 and finished 8th, with the only losses coming vs #1 and #3 at the end of the year. Somehow, they blasted a lot of teams with this at QB:I just listened to a podcast the other day with Don Nehlen telling stories. It was great. I could listen to him all day. But somewhere in there he is talking about his time as an assistant to Bo at UM and he brings up Leach. He says “Ricky” (that’s what he called him) couldn’t really throw it very well, couldn’t really run very well, but had all the confidence in the world and carried himself like he was an All-American.
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Easily the worst QB card I've made so far, including exclusive, option-only QBs. Ick.
I just listened to a podcast the other day with Don Nehlen telling stories. It was great. I could listen to him all day. But somewhere in there he is talking about his time as an assistant to Bo at UM and he brings up Leach. He says “Ricky” (that’s what he called him) couldn’t really throw it very well, couldn’t really run very well, but had all the confidence in the world and carried himself like he was an All-American.You have an address wouldn't mind listening
I just listened to a podcast the other day with Don Nehlen telling stories. It was great. I could listen to him all day. But somewhere in there he is talking about his time as an assistant to Bo at UM and he brings up Leach. He says “Ricky” (that’s what he called him) couldn’t really throw it very well, couldn’t really run very well, but had all the confidence in the world and carried himself like he was an All-American.He wouldn't be the first or last guy to have booze fueled confidence
This is sexy. :72:I thought you would appreciate
You have an address wouldn't mind listeninghttp://wvmetronews.com/podcast/3-guys-before-the-game/
I've harped on it once before, but since I'm making every top-10 team going back a ways, I recently made the QB card for the top-10 Michigan team in 1975. They went 8-2-2 and finished 8th, with the only losses coming vs #1 and #3 at the end of the year. Somehow, they blasted a lot of teams with this at QB:How did this end up working out with you being able to use the names and logos? I assumed the logos were strictly controlled and have no idea as to names.
[img width=259.091 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/R1gn9TE.jpg[/img]
Easily the worst QB card I've made so far, including exclusive, option-only QBs. Ick.
How did this end up working out with you being able to use the names and logos? I assumed the logos were strictly controlled and have no idea as to names.It's not legal, but I don't feel bad about it, and there's a reason why.
Hell, maybe I should post on the buying website that it merely takes a $40 "donation" to receive the game.....that'll work, right?Yeah, the ongoing process makes it nearly impossible for even decently sized small businesses.
I honestly don't see how anyone could secure licensing with what the application asks/requires. To solidify a distributor who would be willing to sell your product, it would hinge on the licensing....it sort of seems like it's putting the cart before the horse. If it was just putting money up front (app fee starts at $1000), that'd be fine, but it's much more than that. I don't see the feasibility in it.
"There are three things that can happen when you pass the football, and two of them are bad."Hey, I think Darrell Royal said that. Or Woody Hayes. Or Robert Neyland...
"There are three things that can happen when you pass the football, and two of them are bad...so run a jet sweep with the fullback to the short side of the field"-Dave Warner
an 8-team playoff will take it to Feb.Not to make it a pro- or anti- playoff thing, but if it's stretched out by meaningful games, that's one thing. They are stretching it for no apparent reason, and filling in the gap with meaningless games.
Not a stat, but literally a random revelation. The national championship is on January 13? Why? Last year the semis were on Saturday, December 29, championship Monday, January 7. This year, Saturday, December 28, but the national title game is pushed back a full week to the 13th?Whoever is responsible for scheduling the CFP and NY6 bowl games has head up his 4th point of contact. This will be the 6th year of the CFP, and it's still a botch.
I'm sorry, it's tough enough to gear back up for a January 6 game, by January 13, I truly won't care about college football anymore.
EDIT: Ugh, not a total break, back to playing garbage bowls between NYD and the championship for some reason. Birmingham and Gator on January 2, Potato on January 3, Armed Forces on January 4, Mobile on January 6. God the bowl schedule is a disaster this year
You had also mentioned historical logos? This site (can't speak to the accuracy) lists the dates that certain logos were used, including alternate logosYeah, that's the one I've been using. Thanks.
http://www.sportslogos.net/leagues/list_by_category/14/American_Colleges_-_NCAA/logos/ (http://www.sportslogos.net/leagues/list_by_category/14/American_Colleges_-_NCAA/logos/)
"There are three things that can happen when you pass the football, and two of them are bad."-Eleanor Roosevelt
"There are three things that can happen when you pass the football, and two of them are bad."
I have to share this:that isn't what they called him when he missed
1969 Texas' kicker's name was Happy Feller.
that isn't what they called him when he missed
how many did he miss?
Attempts, which is basically play-calling (minus scrambles).did you have any adjustment for situations?
Yardage would be basing it off outcomes, not process.
that isn't what they called him when he missedHe was 6 for 8, 75%.
how many did he miss?
I considered that, but there's two things:that's true, but presumably a game between top teams (which this game will almost exclusively feature) will be close. and using overall % wouldn't give an accurate representation of the offense, nor would it be advisable for defenses to use that %.
1 - this is true for all the top teams each season, so as long as it's across the board, it's fine, because...
2 - a "balanced" team isn't simply a 50/50 run-to-pass ratio, it's lower than that.
Plus, as the "run heavy" moniker for a team in my game is simply what the opponent's defense is playing the percentages against in its play call in solo play, it makes sense. If you're playing anyone, your goal is most often to stop the run first.
If all of that doesn't suit someone, I'm fine with it, as my game is designed to not have all the tangents and branches a Strat-o-matic or APBA does.
Looking at Bama....and if he had run the ball more and not had the INTs he may have had a great chance of beating Clemson
2018...43/57
Then we have 2018, with a real passing threat at QB. Sure, it's just a few percentage points, but it's at the top in terms of pass/run ratio. I'm sure 2018 Bama's first half play-calling skews towards more passing, but comparing it to previous championship seasons still shows Saban's reluctance to trust his QB to pass a lot. In 2018, he trusted his QB more and let him throw it more often.
gee, just about wore out that leg:86:
I view Bama as run heavy, but the stats can be colored by the games that were early blowouts of course. In contested games they passed more obviously.Right, but this is true of everyone, so it's a universal, and doesn't have to be taken into account on an individual basis. That's why the "balanced" teams I've labeled aren't 50/50, they're from 39/61 to 46/54 (or whatever, I don't recall the exact numbers atm).
and if he had run the ball more and not had the INTs he may have had a great chance of beating ClemsonRight, and I fully expect Bama to throw the ball less this year because Tua's talents influenced Saban to allow the offense to pass more last year, and it didn't yield a NC.
I feel the QB sneak/run up the middle could be very effectiveHey, Tommie and Timmy could do it...
but, I understand the risk of the QB taking hits between the tackles
| [th]Season[/th] [th]Cmp[/th] [th]Att[/th] [th]Yards[/th] [th]TD[/th] [th]Int[/th] [th]Long[/th] [th]Cmp%[/th] [th]Effcy[/th] [th]200Y[/th] [th]300Y[/th] [th]400Y[/th] [th]500Y[/th] | |||||||||||||
| 1973 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-passing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1973) | SO | 38 | 91 | 934 | 9 | 6 | 41.8 | 147.4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| 1974 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-passing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1974) | JR | 26 | 63 | 601 | 11 | 4 | 41.3 | 166.3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| 1975 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-passing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1975) | SR | 22 | 61 | 501 | 1 | 7 | 36.1 | 87.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| Totals | 86 | 215 | 2,036 | 21 | 17 | 0 | 40.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| [th]Season[/th] [th]Att[/th] [th]Yards[/th] [th]TD[/th] [th]Long[/th] [th]Y/A[/th] [th]100Y[/th] [th]200Y[/th] | ||||||||
| 1973 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-rushing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1973) | SO | 179 | 887 | 18 | 47 | 5.0 | 6 | 0 |
| 1974 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-rushing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1974) | JR | 165 | 659 | 9 | 4.0 | 3 | 0 | |
| 1975 (http://www.soonerstats.com/football/players/game-log-rushing.cfm?playerid=410&seasonid=1975) | SR | 190 | 578 | 7 | 3.0 | 2 | 0 | |
| Totals | 534 | 2,124 | 34 | 47 | 4.0 | 11 | 0 |
Not many. He's actually the kicker that scored the go-ahead extra point to seal #1 Texas' win 15-14 against #2 Arkansas in the 1969 "Game of the Century"-- the game where President Nixon awarded Texas the national championship after the game.Ha, I just came across the game program for this game while unpacking my office. My Dad was at this game, for work purposes.
I didn't PICK it, it just stood out as bad.
So his best season in all categories was 1973, his sophomore year.
Some long-time observers of the Sooners think that the very young 1973 team, 10-0-1 with a tie at defending NC USC in the 2nd game, was the best of the '73-75 bunch. They were on probation, and ineligible for the then-UPI rankings, but that tie might have cost them the AP championship. Maybe not, though, as Notre Dame finished 11-0 and finished #1 in both polls. The Nebraska game over Thanksgiving weekend wasn't the last, but it was the best--27-0 with Nebraska (who finished AP #7) never starting a play in Sooner territory. OU's DC Larry Lacewell said after that one that he would take his defense and go fight Russia. It was the last televised Sooner game until the 1975 (season) Orange Bowl vs. Michigan.
The '74 team might have been a bit better, though. At the time, some national pundits were calling it the best team that no one would ever see, as there was no TV coverage and no potential for a bowl game. It went 11-0, and Joe Washington had his best year. They finished AP #1, while 11-0 Alabama finished #1 in the UPI.
The '75 team, which finished #1 in both polls, was the least good of the three by a good margin. Ball security was severely lacking. Some of the younger guys on the team thought that winning was just automatic, and the work ethic was not as good as the two previous years. Lost 23-3 at home to Kansas (admittedly, one of Kansas' better teams). Almost lost at Mizzou a week later, but Joe Washington saved the day with a 75-yard TD run and 2-point conversion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbirSv4kgNA) in the waning moments. The Sooners lucked into playing for the national championship with losses earlier on New Year's Day.
Speaking of those 70s OU teams...the only way to win over the 71 sooners is to take Nebraska's defense and than get a punt return for a TD
I'm thinking of doing a giveaway - if a customer can beat '71 OU and can prove it by videoing it or something, they get a free team set or something. Their offensive averages are sick - 6.6 per rush and 12.8 per pass.
I think that's the 3rd-highest per rush number in the game (behind '83 and '95 UNL), and OU's 12.8 per pass is the highest I've found so far. So they'll be a handful, as they were in real life.
While '71 Nebraska's offensive numbers don't compare, they do boast a "perfect" defense, as far as the game is concerned. So there's a fighting chance.
as you're well aware, Switzer and Osborne believed the 74 team was the best
Some long-time observers of the Sooners think that the very young 1973 team, 10-0-1 with a tie at defending NC USC in the 2nd game, was the best of the '73-75 bunch. They were on probation, and ineligible for the then-UPI rankings, but that tie might have cost them the AP championship. Maybe not, though, as Notre Dame finished 11-0 and finished #1 in both polls. The Nebraska game over Thanksgiving weekend wasn't the last, but it was the best--27-0 with Nebraska (who finished AP #7) never starting a play in Sooner territory. OU's DC Larry Lacewell said after that one that he would take his defense and go fight Russia. It was the last televised Sooner game until the 1975 (season) Orange Bowl vs. Michigan.
The '74 team might have been a bit better, though. At the time, some national pundits were calling it the best team that no one would ever see, as there was no TV coverage and no potential for a bowl game. It went 11-0, and Joe Washington had his best year. They finished AP #1, while 11-0 Alabama finished #1 in the UPI.
Didn't Tulsa have an epic passing game in the 60s, about 30 years before anyone else?Yep. Supposedly inspired LaVelle Edwards at BYU.
The QB for the 71 Sooners had as good a passer rating as Tua and Kyler Murray last year (199). An option QB with a 47% completion percentage matched those two. How? 10 TD, 2 INT and massive yards per attempt and yards per completion numbers.Mildren was highly recruited as an all-purpose QB out of Abilene, TX. He was a sophomore starting at QB for OU in '69, when Steve Owens won the Heisman. OU switched to the veer offense for 1970 and it didn't work well, as the Sooners lost at home to Oregon State in game 3. So, during the bye week before the Texas game, OC Barry Switzer installed the wishbone (which he had learned with the help of Darrell Royal and the UT assistants), with Mildren running the offense. They got shellacked in the RRS, 41-9, but the promise was evident. They lost 19-14 to K-State 2 weeks later, lost 28-21 in Lincoln to eventual MNC Nebraska (it was a split MNC that year, as Texas won the UPI championship, before losing to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl), and tied Bama 24-24 in the Bluebonnet Bowl to finish 7-4-1. They finished ranked #20, which was an improvement from 6-4 unranked in 1969. In '71, Mildren and the wishbone offense were Hell on Wheels. He had a strong arm. After Nebraska scored the winning TD late in the GOTC, he twice had Jon Harrison open deep and beyond the coverage, but overthrew him by about a foot both times.
Pretty incredible. Famous, name option QBs routinely had low TD-high INT seasons in the past...it was the norm. But for one of them to have that TD/INT ratio is crazy sauce.
Jack Mildren.
as you're well aware, Switzer and Osborne believed the 74 team was the bestOh, they're probably right. The '74 team scored more points and allowed fewer points than the '73 team did.
I will agree. Although all 3 teams were outstanding
with Mildren running the offense. They got shellacked in the RRS, 41-9, but the promise was evident.This is where coaching genius happens. You got stomped. You only score 9 points. But to see the potential and to stick with it - wow.
In researching, I came across a team that finished the year with one loss, by one point. That made me wonder how many such teams there have been...one point away from an undefeated season.1983 Huskers
I know '94 Alabama was such a team, losing by 1 to Florida in the SECCG. 2016 Clemson was another, in their upset loss to Pitt.
If you know of any others off hand, please post them for me.
Didn't know where else to put this, but down the youtube rabbit hole....I'm reminded of Super Play Action Football. It was a horrible football game on Super Nintendo that I played incessantly.I do not remember that game at all.
The one good thing it had going for it was you could play NFL, college, or even high school. You could make your high school and its colors, which was amazing at the time. I, of course, played college.
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Without licensing, it had to get creative with the team names. Schools that are just states, they could use - Florida, Illinois, etc. FSU or MSU were called "St of Fla" or "St of Mich", etc. Great. But the real fun was the other schools. Here, see if you can 'translate' these:
Windy Belt
Standard
Spice
Two Lanes
Moldy Moss
Fluke
Pursue
Smart Mouth
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Anyway, I remembered all that already, and have mentioned it somewhere on this board before. Whatever. Why I'm posting is that I forgot the game had to also make up the bowl names as well. All of these had to be made up, translate if you can:
Violet Bowl
Banana Bowl
Salt Bowl
Wool Bowl
Siesta Bowl
Alligator Bowl
Pear Bowl
Lemon Bowl
Vacation Bowl
Oahu Bowl
Franklin Bowl
Patriot Bowl
Independent Bowl - nice one
Smash Bowl
Justice Bowl
Fame Bowl
USA Bowl
This would have been around 1991 or so, if that helps. The first 5-6 are super easy, but they get squirrely down the line. Fun share!
Windy Belt = VanderbiltBanana Bowl is the Orange Bowl.....Lemon Bowl must be.....???
Standard = Stanford
Spice = Rice
Two Lanes = Tulane
Moldy Moss = ?
Fluke = Duke
Pursue = Purdue
Smart Mouth = Dartmouth
Violet Bowl = Rose Bowl
Banana Bowl = ?
Salt Bowl = Sugar Bowl
Wool Bowl = Cotton Bowl
Siesta Bowl = Fiesta Bowl
Alligator Bowl = Gator Bowl
Pear Bowl = Peach Bowl
Lemon Bowl = Orange Bowl
Vacation Bowl = ?
Oahu Bowl = Hawaii Bowl
Franklin Bowl = ?
Patriot Bowl = Liberty Bowl
Independent Bowl - nice one = Independence Bowl
Smash Bowl = ?
Justice Bowl = ?
Fame Bowl = ?
USA Bowl = ?
Smash Bowl = ?Smash= Blockbuster (get it, Block buster. Am I reaching here?)
Justice Bowl = ?
Fame Bowl = ?
USA Bowl = ?
it wasn't good. It had an overhead view, and it was diagonal. You moved the ball from the lower left corner of the screen to the upper right. The only plus thing about it was the option mechanic worked really well.Out of curiosity I YouTubed it. Yes, that was terrible. Had a “10 Yard Fight” feel which I played religiously until Tecmo Bowl came out and changed my life.
I don't recall Holy Cross mattering in the 70s or 80s either, but I do like the descriptor Moldy Moss. :)I think it has to be Holy Cross. I mean if they would put generic Dartmouth in they would put generic HC in. They probably still had a little post-Gordie Lockbaum name recognition going for them too.
Out of curiosity I YouTubed it. Yes, that was terrible. Had a “10 Yard Fight” feel which I played religiously until Tecmo Bowl came out and changed my life.I never got into Tecmo Bowl. Seems like I was the only one, lol.
I think it has to be Holy Cross. I mean if they would put generic Dartmouth in they would put generic HC in. They probably still had a little post-Gordie Lockbaum name recognition going for them too.The biggest mystery that I never figured out was "St of ND". It had Notre Dame (ND), and St of ND. Thinking about it now, it might have solely been included for the green jersey variant for the Irish. Hmmph.
IThat was hilarious. I remember we were laughing out loud at the pace of play. Even the time meter of the music bed during game play was sluggish.
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I looked up videos of Super Play-action Football, too, and couldn't find any showing the option play on it. That part was good and fun. The problem with the game overall was that a 50-yard TD run took about 3 minutes, lol. If you watch the gameplay on 1.5 speed on youtube, it actually looks normal. Meh.