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Title: Michigan State (0-2, 2-3) at Maryland (1-1, 4-1) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on September 27, 2022, 07:41:12 AM
The game is at 3:30 PM EDT Saturday on FS1.  Maryland is favored by a touchdown.  Is Sparty really as bad they looked at home against Minnesota?  I think so, the butt kicking by the Gophers was worse than the score indicated.  Michigan State's secondary was bad last year and I think they got worse.  Not a good situation going into a game with talented Maryland offense.  But Mel has got nothing to worry about for the rest of his life thanks to Spartan generosity.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2022, 09:28:05 AM
a few folks think perhaps Minnesoota is just that good

to make Sparty look that bad

I expect Sparty to circle the wagons
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on September 27, 2022, 10:02:22 AM
a few folks think perhaps Minnesoota is just that good

to make Sparty look that bad

I expect Sparty to circle the wagons
i agree and i think MSU pulls this one out.  
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 27, 2022, 10:25:28 AM
I heard on WTKA that two starters in Sparty's defensive backfield are former Div. II players.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 27, 2022, 10:31:45 AM
a few folks think perhaps Minnesoota is just that good

to make Sparty look that bad

I expect Sparty to circle the wagons
I'm interested in both sides of that question with this game:

This game, M/IA, and MN/PU will help clarify and explain what happened last week. 

Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
a few folks think perhaps Minnesoota is just that good

to make Sparty look that bad

I expect Sparty to circle the wagons
yeah, I don't. You don't fix the worst secondary in America and a bad OL in a week. Not sure you can even fix that during a season. That takes coaching changes and recruiting better talent and adding better players through the portal.

Maryland is at home and my guess is they throw a party all over the Spartans. Taulia will throw for 400 and Maryland will win by like 7-10 is my guess.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
speaking of bad O-lines

I brought this up a year or two ago

O-line play seems to be down from past seasons and decades

Iowa's O-line has struggled the past 2 seasons, Wisconsin's is struggling this season, Nebraska's has struggled for 4 seasons
Horn fans say they haven't had a decent O-line in a long time

Minnesoota seems to have a good one.

Even CincyDawg says his Bulldogs are run blocking well

Whazzup?

More talented big uglies going to the defensive side?
Poor coaching is what I suspect
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 27, 2022, 12:28:46 PM
yeah, I don't. You don't fix the worst secondary in America and a bad OL in a week. Not sure you can even fix that during a season. That takes coaching changes and recruiting better talent and adding better players through the portal.

Maryland is at home and my guess is they throw a party all over the Spartans. Taulia will throw for 400 and Maryland will win by like 7-10 is my guess.
Taulia throws for 400 and Maryland only wins by 7-10?
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 12:32:44 PM
Taulia throws for 400 and Maryland only wins by 7-10?
Maryland defense isn't the best....they'll score 35-42 but give up 24-30
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 27, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Maryland defense isn't the best....they'll score 35-42 but give up 24-30
Ok. I was confused because when I read "throws for 400" I was thinking blowout. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: SuperMario on September 27, 2022, 12:42:43 PM
Ok. I was confused because when I read "throws for 400" I was thinking blowout.
He’s a game time time decision anyways. May not be fully healthy.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Abba on September 27, 2022, 02:46:15 PM
His backup looked decent once he got settled in.  Yes, it was garbage time, but he seems serviceable.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 03:02:29 PM
His backup looked decent once he got settled in.  Yes, it was garbage time, but he seems serviceable.
not to mention he came back into the game and played basically the rest of the game after he took that big shot....so my guess is he'll be good to go and the only reason they kept him out at the end because as you said...it was truly garbage time. Maryland was down 15 with under 2 mins to go in the game and no timeouts....they were in obvious passing every down situation which would just open him up to more shots and getting hurt more- they weren't going to win barring a miracle. Makes zero sense to let him stay in there just for Michigan to tee off on him and potentially get hurt even more seriously.

he'll be back imo.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2022, 04:09:53 PM
The game is at 3:30 PM EDT Saturday on FS1.  Maryland is favored by a touchdown.  Is Sparty really as bad they looked at home against Minnesota?  I think so, the butt kicking by the Gophers was worse than the score indicated.  Michigan State's secondary was bad last year and I think they got worse.  Not a good situation going into a game with talented Maryland offense.  But Mel has got nothing to worry about for the rest of his life thanks to Spartan generosity.
They are better this year, but the number of injuries (7 defensive starters out, 6 in the front 7) has revealed the depth issues.  So yes, what is essentially the 2nd team defense this year is worse than the 1st team defense last year.  The OL is still a problem.  Dantonio was a phenomenal coach, but his recruiting the last couple years was horrendous, as it's showing.  There is an uptick, but how many jump ship if this is a 4-8 season?  One of the MSU bloggers pointed out that the highest rated recruit to play last week would be the 15th lowest rated recuit for OUS in the past 4 seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) at Maryland (3-1, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
They are better this year, but the number of injuries (7 defensive starters out, 6 in the front 7) has revealed the depth issues.  So yes, what is essentially the 2nd team defense this year is worse than the 1st team defense last year.  The OL is still a problem.  Dantonio was a phenomenal coach, but his recruiting the last couple years was horrendous, as it's showing.  There is an uptick, but how many jump ship if this is a 4-8 season?  One of the MSU bloggers pointed out that the highest rated recruit to play last week would be the 15th lowest rated recuit for OUS in the past 4 seasons.
Uptick is putting it mildly. Tuck has crushed the 'crootin trail. Can't remember seeing MSU recruit better nationally. Tuck just got a commitment from a big-timer down in Hialeah, FL aka Cuba. Have heard some say he might wind up being 5 STARZ in the 2024 class. When is the last time MSU 'crootin did something like that? 
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 29, 2022, 04:38:11 PM

Michigan State Spartans (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland Terrapins (0-1, 3-1)
3:30 - College Park, MD - FS1
Fairly amazing how drastically the fan bases' feeling towards this game swung in the last week.  The road loss at Washington could be somewhat written off as what typically happens in those Big Ten west coast trips, and at least Peyton Thorne actually looked like the guy he was in 2021.  But after last week, it's clear that all of the defensive issues were completely valid, and the Thorne we saw in Seattle appeared to be the exception, not the rule.  He's getting no help from his running game, either from the line, which isn't opening holes, and the backs, who have a troubling lack of vision.  Instead he's throwing into 7 man coverages, where the four are still getting pressure.  Now Washington and Minnesota have much better defenses than Maryland, but if Minnesota, in their first game without their WR1, could torch this secondary, imagine what Tagovailoa can do, even if if Rakim Jarrett can't go.  It's unclear whether he's going to play or not, but it's also clear that it probably doesn't matter.  The pass rush is still getting penetration, but against better teams, better quarterbacks, they don't need that much time to get separation against this secondary.  Minnesota absolutely destroyed Michigan State on third ground, so perhaps things will look a little better if the Spartans can at least flip that a little bit, and get off the field.  But if this run game, against a defense that gave up 243 yards, and 8.1 ypc to Blake Corum and Michigan last week, they aren't going to run on anyone.  I do think we see a bit of a bounceback from the Spartan offense, but I don't see how the Spartan defense can hold Maryland to even under 30 points?
MARYLAND 31, MICHIGAN STATE 24

Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 30, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
Also, MSU is down 5 of their 8 rotation defensive lineman, and the LB and S who call out the defensive adjustments, due to injuries.  So if MSU wins, it certainly isn't because the defense is going to step up
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 30, 2022, 02:49:14 PM
An MSU writer mentioned how many late 1st round picks MSU had in the past draft. Those were the program guys, who were borderline pros by the time they were seniors. Those kids in the 2018 and 2019 classes are the sophomores who transferred out. So while this team has more overall NFL talent than last year, they are extremely low on NFL ready talent. How many guys are getting picked next year? Reed and Windmon? Anyone else?
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 01, 2022, 03:18:27 PM
https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1576285706208841729?t=tgcmE92olr1kcqaVKkHHog&s=19
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 01, 2022, 03:21:11 PM
After seeing Minnesota and Washington....I'm starting to think Maryland is going to win by a lot more than 7-10. Thinking they might beat down Michigan State by 21-30.
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 01, 2022, 03:23:35 PM
I mean it sounds like MSU might be STARTING two defensive linemen who weren't even on the travel roster two years ago, so Maryland should be able to pick their score
Title: Re: Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) at Maryland (0-1, 3-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 01, 2022, 03:34:25 PM
Maryland's fan turnout might be worst in the Big Ten