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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Honestbuckeye on September 19, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
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Did anyone else see that amazing come back by NAVY over Tulane?
Amazing.
Hafley’s debut at BC a big success with a drubbing if favored Duke.
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FSU HC Mike Norvell has covid.
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Turns out Chubba Hubbard might have benefitted from some decent blocking last year.
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So, hard to know if Tulsa is a pretty decent team or if Oklahoma State is mundane with the new OL and QB situation.
Tulsa was 0 for 13 or something on 3rd down.
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Tulsa also had 6 sacks. oSu not very formidable up front as suggested by OAM.
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I'm sure most of us fully appreciate the value of a good OL, and vice versa.
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Miami and Louisville are both ranked? :o
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I'm sure most of us fully appreciate the value of a good OL, and vice versa.
A good OL appreciates most of us?
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Got back from the golf course, watching the US Open.
I'll plan to tune in to Miami / Louisville when golf is over, but none of the earlier games intrigued me.
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Got home from softballing a while ago. Watching GT-UCF. Big call coming up on whether the GT QB fumbled or threw an incomplete pass.
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Another sweep for the girls teams in vball today. I missed the early games, been peeking at the golf as I clean up the porches . Beautiful day outside.
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Marshall is up 10 on #23 Appy State, with less than ten minutes remaining.
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GT cuts the UCF lead to 28-21. Over 13 minutes to go.
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Unlike the 2007 Wolverines, Marshall was able to hang onto their late lead over Appalachian State.
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Miami and Louisville are both ranked? :o
Presumably because only ACC, B12, Indys & AAC teams are being ranked. No P12, B10, SEC yet.
Miami looks pretty strong. Giving the Offensive reigns to Lashlee has that unit looking miles better than last season.
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Well, the Stanley Cup will be won in Canada for a change.
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Presumably because only ACC, B12, Indys & AAC teams are being ranked. No P12, B10, SEC yet.
SEC?
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Miami's defense is still blah.
Funny that GT ditches the option when their FR QB is fast as shit and would be awesome at it.
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I really enjoyed that Louisville - Miami game, despite Louisville giving up back to back long TDs in the 2nd half. It actually did have a big game feel that I haven't felt for any previous games. Hopefully we'll get more of that as the season goes on. SEC is starting out this week, and I think we get Auburn-Kentucky as a decent one to kick things off.
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Funny that GT ditches the option when their FR QB is fast as shit and would be awesome at it.
Yeah, I think some kind of option offense was their only realistic hope. I don't see how they can recruit fast enough long enough to field a solid team.
I know teams like Stanford and NW and Duke and whatever have had some good teams for a bit. Wouldn't it be nice to have your kid get a scholarship to Stanford?
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or Duke
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or Duke
For me personally, Stanford would be better, neared wine country etc., and I spent a few years just a bit south of Duke.
I had occasion recently to hire a lawyer, and a few months later to fire him. He was a Duke law school grad. Incompetent doesn't begin to describe it. My current attorney is quite good.
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Presumably because only ACC, B12, Indys & AAC teams are being ranked. No P12, B10, SEC yet.
Miami looks pretty strong. Giving the Offensive reigns to Lashlee has that unit looking miles better than last season.
SEC teams have been ranked, they had something like 6 of the Top 10 headed into the weekend.
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It just means more.
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Lots of games today vs ranked teams.
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Ole Miss busting out some cool uniforms for their beating today vs Florida.
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The one with this decal?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9p1h8aUMAIpoLX?format=jpg&name=small)
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Georgia Tech and Syracuse have a 20 minute weather delay. In a dome.
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The Sooners broke out the white helmets.
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Kentucky strikes first vs Auburn. 7-0
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Georgia Tech and Syracuse have a 20 minute weather delay. In a dome.
Yep, sounds like the world we live in today.
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No offense to anyone, but I've now learned that 16,000 fans in an SEC stadium sounds like a Pac-12 game is being played.
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Looks like the delay at Syracuse was to confirm three negative tests. Looks like they are set to play.
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Auburn is up 8-7 on Kentucky.
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Ole Miss fields an arm punt.
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Ole Miss had a chance to take the lead and blew it with a tipped ball pick.
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Rebels tie it at 14. (extra pt pending)
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Appalachian State is losing to the Campbell Fighting Camels.
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Love Gus Malzahns wardrobe, tribute to Pat Dye.
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Florida's DBs:
(https://i.imgur.com/5HCJrWU.jpg)
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Ole Miss' DBs:
(https://i.imgur.com/105mW9R.jpg)
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Let me just say that you haven't seen maddening kids sports till you've watched a 32-30 deciding set in youth volleyball especially when you have zero subs. Ran way over time, Ref just didn't want to call it early which I appreciated. I must have spent minutes reminding my players that they have to win by two, once we blew past 25.
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Pittsburgh unis are....not good. Some off brand video game ensemble. Im sure the kids think its the bomb.
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K State pulls within a TD of OU
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Pittsburgh unis are....not good. Some off brand video game ensemble. Im sure the kids think its the bomb.
It pains me to say it but Pitt has great uniforms. They should never do the alternative look.
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I know. They are truly awesome across all sports.
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K State blocks a punt and has the ball at the OU 28 with 8:28 to play.
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TD Wildcats. Tie game XP pending.
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So K State was absolutely going for 2 with 8:17 to play but had a delay of game. XP ties it up at 35. OU was up 35-14 at one point.
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So K State was absolutely going for 2 with 8:17 to play but had a delay of game. XP ties it up at 35. OU was up 35-14 at one point.
That's the one I started watching, but switched to Pitt-Ville when it was getting out of hand. Oops.
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K State gets another stop. Getting the ball back.
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K State has a go ahead TD called back for illegal man downfield.
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50 yard FG gives KSU the lead with under 5 to play.
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OU punts with 2:56 to play and only one timeout.
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Sooners beefed it.
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K State pulls off the upset
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That felt like a normal game. Vibe was good.
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Best non Snyder win in school history.
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Riley should have went for it on his penultimate possession.
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***BRIGHT RED BRITCHES ALERT***
Georgia is wearing red pants in Fayetteville.
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Georgia should wear black pants ...
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Got up, took the puppy for an almost 3 mile walk, washed two cars, gave two kids a haircut, and prepped a tray of bacon wrapped jalapeño poppers for a 40th birthday party tonight. Now I can relax and watch football... For two hours until I have to leave.
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Total yards: WVU 270. Ok St 222
First downs: WVU 13. Ok St 12
Score: Ok St. 20. WVU. 7
Only WVU
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Prepped an order
watched the Florida game
shipped out order
now doing online lessons/plans
will go back and watch football while prepping orders
It's a damn good thing I am obsessed with college football or I would've quit the game-making long ago.
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Georgia has 2 points in a half vs West Vanderbilt.
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8 year old just asked me if a refrigerator is plugged in or runs off batteries...
What do you think I should buy with her college fund?
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The Cyclones knocked off the Horned Frogs.
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Pirate has MSU ready today.
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How did Texas Tech pull ahead? They were getting drubbed.
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UT turnovers and lousy special teams.
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TT pouring it in now.
Meanwhile Leach setting SEC passing records already.
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WVU outgains Ok St by 10 yards and gets 2 more first downs but loses by two TDs. Familiar loss to Mountaineer fans. Ok St fumbles four times and recovers all of them. WVU fumbles once and it’s a scoop and score for Ok St. Sometimes it’s more luck than we want to believe. I’ve seen my guys win these type games too. It is what it is.
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Classic XIIng in Lubbock
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Truly miserable DBs on TT. The onside coverage also useless
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LSU goes down.
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Texas survives
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What's twelving?
63 Texas
56 Texas Tech
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That Texas Tech kid never secured the catch. Game shouldn’t be over.
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Now it’s over.
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Forgive me Father for I have sinned
I turned the game off half way through 4th qtr
but of course thats why Texas won so Im to be given credit for that
I'll watch it again in the morning on FS1 so alls not lost
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I have never seen the block in the back in the end zone before. Vandy gets a safety because of it.
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One of the only early winners of this pandemic shaken, partial start to the college football season is the Hurricanes. The broadcast schedule opened for Miami to get consecutive primetime slots and boy are they taking advantage of the bigger stage with dominating performances. Canes crushing the Noles 51-10 with time left.
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Pitt D got 7 sacks and 12 TFL plus held Cunningham to 103 yards passing despite the most talented DL player opting out this season.
They managed to sweat out of victory despite this because Pitt isn't allowed to do things the easy way
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Every time FSU gets pantsed, an angel gets its wings.
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Well, we got "Week One" sort of, in the books, so there is that. Things are looking "OK" for week two.
I think.
UGA has a woeful offense.
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Every time FSU gets pantsed, an angel gets its wings.
Not if it's Miami doing the pantsing. Only real solution for that game, is the meteor.
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Well, we got "Week One" sort of, in the books, so there is that. Things are looking "OK" for week two.
I think.
UGA has a woeful offense.
And Texas has a woeful defense. Again.
But a win is a win. Could be worse, coulda ended up like LSU and OU.
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Overall though, I can't say I'm surprised by how bad/unprepared so many "good" teams look so far this season. Having zero spring or summer football camp was always going to take its toll.
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And Texas has a woeful defense. Again.
But a win is a win.
Did the Horns pull that out?I know it was late when I switched.Checked the scores - wow.Some good games in the BIG SWC yesterday
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It's almost October.
Purdue is still undefeated and IU still winless. I'll take it!
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Heh. Teams with experienced QBs seemed to manage pretty well overall, Texas perhaps excluded. A week's worth of actual play may tighten up some offenses.
I would push Florida up in the rankings and UGA down.
What in the world is up with OU?
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LSU missing Aranda, Brady and the QB?
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Heh. Teams with experienced QBs seemed to manage pretty well overall, Texas perhaps excluded. A week's worth of actual play may tighten up some offenses.
I would push Florida up in the rankings and UGA down.
What in the world is up with OU?
OU is breaking in a new QB.
LSU missing Aranda, Brady and the QB?
They lost a bunch of guys and a bunch of coaches, and then they had to face the Pirate! Arrrrrrrr...
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Texas had a punt blocked, recovered onside kick by the Raiders and a punt fumble
the trifecta for losing and yet they found a way to win
gotta give them credit for that
it did get sorta tiresome watching their 3 man rush sack our QB but hey we won so lets go another round next week
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I despise the three man rush.
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Could be worse.
There was a time when Penn St couldn't even stop Temple's two man rush.
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/RMDZmV7qi7ml6fdRA6gJ0k5q8N8=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4033408/temple.0.gif)
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I figure something like an extra second gained with each man not rushing. A QB without many seconds usually isn't very good.
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I figure something like an extra second gained with each man not rushing. A QB without many seconds usually isn't very good.
you would think 5 guys blocking 3 guys would be no sacks but alas it wasnt to be
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OU is breaking in a new QB.
They lost a bunch of guys and a bunch of coaches, and then they had to face the Pirate! Arrrrrrrr...
the schooner got boarded
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Well, we got "Week One" sort of, in the books, so there is that. Things are looking "OK" for week two.
I think.
UGA has a woeful offense.
See you in Jax!
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LSU missing Aranda, Brady and the QB?
And 17 players who left early or opted out.
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it did get sorta tiresome watching their 3 man rush sack our QB but hey we won so lets go another round next week
How is that possible? I thought he was Tebow Jr.
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How is that possible? I thought he was Tebow Jr.
Nah not Tebow Jr. He's actually much better passing the ball.
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What's twelving?
63 Texas
56 Texas Tech
K.J. Costello passed for an SEC record 623 yards and five touchdowns in the Mississippi State ...
was Pelini in the Big 12 too long?
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K.J. Costello passed for an SEC record 623 yards and five touchdowns in the Mississippi State ...
was Pelini in the Big 12 too long?
Yeah and Florida 51 Ole Miss 35 is a real defensive slugfest too. Always love to laugh at hypocrisy. Such a real treat. That's fun.
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Yeah and Florida 51 Ole Miss 35 is a real defensive slugfest too. Always love to laugh at hypocrisy. Such a real treat. That's fun.
Twelving: when the losing team scores 40+ points (or 50+ if you prefer)
Example of twelving:
63 Texas
56 Texas Tech
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Non-examples of twelving:
51 Florida
35 Ole Miss
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44 Miss State
34 LSU
Some of you are so eager to say I'm wrong, that you, yourselves are wrong. It's super fun!
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Nah not Tebow Jr. He's actually much better passing the ball.
Ohhhhhh, thank you so much for going there!
Ehlinger passing (Tebow in parenthesis):
63.7% comp (66.4%)
8.2 adj ypa (10.4)
78/23 TD/INT ration (88/16)
146.3 pass rating (170.8)
TELL US MORE! Pretty please double down!!!
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So D'wan Mathis was a Michigan State commit/reservation who was jostled the apple cart as South Carolina was trying to get one of its highest rated QBs ever. Mathis flipped to Ohio State just before the end of the Urban era, then flipped to UGA, I think as the Fields thing was going down.
And as a RS freshman, he gets an opening day start and get's replaced by a badly rated JUCO kid who sounds like a law firm and had stats that could only generously be called mediocre. What a sport.
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Twelving: when the losing team scores 40+ points (or 50+ if you prefer)
Example of twelving: 587 total passing yards, both teams combined
63 Texas
56 Texas Tech
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Non-examples of twelving: 889 total passing yards, both teams combined
51 Florida
35 Ole Miss
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44 Miss State :: 968 total passing yards, both teams combined
34 LSU
Some of you are so eager to say I'm wrong, that you, yourselves are wrong. It's super fun!
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I'd don't know that it's supper fun, but saying that the SEC is playing defense is wrong. I'd say their offenses just don't find the endzone as often.
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Oh I'm not saying you're "wrong." You defined twelving as narrowly as you liked and you like to bring it up like it's meanfingul. It's intended to disparage the defense. We all get it. Even the cows get it.
But Florida 51 Ole Miss 35 is not an example of "good defense" even if it doesn't meet your carefully crafted definitiion of a stupid and meaningless concept. Nor does Miss State - LSU. Those were games with bad defense.
It's just always super-fun to see you show your ass with stupid hypocrisy, so keep it up, it's quite entertaining.
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sorry for the cornfusion, I was quoting Afro to point out that 968 passing yards is NOT playing defense
the quote just didn't format properly
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So D'wan Mathis was a Michigan State commit/reservation who was jostled the apple cart as South Carolina was trying to get one of its highest rated QBs ever. Mathis flipped to Ohio State just before the end of the Urban era, then flipped to UGA, I think as the Fields thing was going down.
And as a RS freshman, he gets an opening day start and get's replaced by a badly rated JUCO kid who sounds like a law firm and had stats that could only generously be called mediocre. What a sport.
He was committed to Iowa State, before flipping to Michigan State, then to Ohio State, and finally Georgia.
And FWIW, MSU's two highest rated kids in his class, were his former HS teammates, who committed to MSU within a week of Mathis decommitting. There was talk that the two were not unrelated.
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I was not able to watch much football last weekend so can someone just briefly answer this:
Are MissSt and/or KSU that good, or are LSU and/or OU that bad?
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Probably some of both.
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LSU and OU gotta be bad to lose to those teams
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sorry for the cornfusion, I was quoting Afro to point out that 968 passing yards is NOT playing defense
the quote just didn't format properly
Oh no, I got that. My post was in agreement with yours. Those were some terrible defensive efforts we saw on Saturday. My own team's included, obviously.
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Kansas St lost to Arkansas State the week before, so KSU is probably not very good.
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It's easy to bash, but there's also the fact that none of these teams had spring drills, most of them had zero or highly abbreviated summer drills, and they're also in the midst of a very stressful time.
I can feel the psychological toll this pandemic is taking on me, and the way it's affecting my work and the work of my colleagues. To expect 18-23-yo young people to be able to manage through that without it affecting their training and performance, would be highly unrealistic.
I suspect we will continue to see upsets and weirdness happen throughout the season. It's really impossible for this season NOT to be strange, and deliver strange results.
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I'm hoping the Huskers can pull a couple upsets!
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I was quoting Afro to point out that 968 passing yards is NOT playing defense
Be a good time to make your debut as an O.C.Any swinging Richard could call plays under those conditions
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I'm hoping the Huskers can pull a couple upsets!
Stop with your quibbling uncertainties and your faint ideals
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Oh I'm not saying you're "wrong." You defined twelving as narrowly as you liked and you like to bring it up like it's meanfingul. It's intended to disparage the defense. We all get it. Even the cows get it.
But Florida 51 Ole Miss 35 is not an example of "good defense" even if it doesn't meet your carefully crafted definitiion of a stupid and meaningless concept. Nor does Miss State - LSU. Those were games with bad defense.
It's just always super-fun to see you show your ass with stupid hypocrisy, so keep it up, it's quite entertaining.
Is it "invent shit OAM never said" week?
Please quote where I said or hinted at or even suggested that Florida, Ole Miss, LSU, or Miss State played "good defense." You put it in quotation marks as if I said it. Show us where that happened.
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Also, tell us more about how great a passer Ehlinger is, compared to Tebow! I'll get some popcorn.
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The funny part is that you're kind of making my "twelving" argument FOR me. Florida and LSU give up 35 and 44 points, respectively, and it's godawful.....yet Texas gives up 56 IN A WIN, and you get pissy about me making fun of it.
Losing team scores of 35, 34......and 56. That's 3 additional TDs. 3 additional possessions worse than the embarrassing SEC defenses gave up.
So thanks...I guess.
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I didn't say you said that. So I have no need to show you where you said it. I was just putting emphasis on the idea of "good defense" from the vaunted SEC.
We're certainly in agreement that Florida, Ole Miss, LSU, and MSU all played some really shitty defense last Saturday.
So did Tech and Texas.
The difference is that one conference is constantly lauded by the mediots and general public for being a great defensive conference, and the other is jeered at by many--including you-- for having bad defense. That's the entire purpose of your stupid "twelving" schtick.
So the point is, the B12 certainly isn't unique in playing bad defense. Those two SEC games from last Saturday are just further evidence. But here's a couple of the great ones from last season, the vaunted and unassailable Alabama doing it twice in one season no less!
LSU 46
Alabama 41
Auburn 48
Alabama 45
Wait, are those scores all in the 40s? Wow. I hear there's a stupid phrase for that kind of thing.
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The funny part is that you're kind of making my "twelving" argument FOR me. Florida and LSU give up 35 and 44 points, respectively, and it's godawful.....yet Texas gives up 56 IN A WIN, and you get pissy about me making fun of it.
Losing team scores of 35, 34......and 56. That's 3 additional TDs. 3 additional possessions worse than the embarrassing SEC defenses gave up.
So thanks...I guess.
LULZ
LSU 46
Alabama 41
Auburn 48
Alabama 45
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Also, tell us more about how great a passer Ehlinger is, compared to Tebow! I'll get some popcorn.
Bwahahaha. So defensive. I knew that statement would make your vagina all sandy and itchy.
I actually had no idea what the stats were. I just thought it would be fun to tweak you. And I was right. So thanks for the continued entertainment, as always.
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Bwahahaha. So defensive. I knew that statement would make your vagina all sandy and itchy.
I actually had no idea what the stats were. I just thought it would be fun to tweak you. And I was right. So thanks for the continued entertainment, as always.
But I want to know more! Teach us!
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But I want to know more! Teach us!
Your continued entertainment is much appreciated. It's fun to see how much this bothers you. Keep it up, I'll remain thoroughly amused.
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LULZ
LSU 46
Alabama 41
Auburn 48
Alabama 45
You brought a butter knife to a nuke test:
50 Texas
48 Kansas
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48 KSU
41 OU
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42 OU
41 Iowa St
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48 Iowa St
42 Oklahoma St
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48 Texas
45 OU
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51 OU
46 Texas Tech
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48 OU
47 Oklahoma St
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55 OU
40 Kansas
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45 Oklahoma St
41 West Virginia
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59 OU
56 West Virginia
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And that's just the past 2 seasons, in conference games only. Who knows how many others there were OOC?!?
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Ha! So it looks like the B12 does a lot of Bama-ing. Learn something new every day!
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Stop with your quibbling uncertainties and your faint ideals
Dude, It's all I have.
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bad defense is bad defense is bad defense
so your bad defense is a TD or so better???
corngratulations
SEC defense still sucks
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bad defense is bad defense is bad defense
so your bad defense is a TD or so better???
corngratulations
SEC defense still sucks
High scores in the SEC are due to great offense.
High scores in the B12 are due to bad defense.
PKU.
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bad defense is bad defense is bad defense
so your bad defense is a TD or so better???
corngratulations
SEC defense still sucks
Your math sucks.
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bad defense
bad math
still bad defense
giving up 600+ passing yards is bad defense, regardless of math
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You brought a butter knife to a nuke test:
50 Texas
48 Kansas
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48 KSU
41 OU
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42 OU
41 Iowa St
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48 Iowa St
42 Oklahoma St
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48 Texas
45 OU
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51 OU
46 Texas Tech
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48 OU
47 Oklahoma St
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55 OU
40 Kansas
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45 Oklahoma St
41 West Virginia
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59 OU
56 West Virginia
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And that's just the past 2 seasons, in conference games only. Who knows how many others there were OOC?!?
This "twelving" thing has hit the point of being deeply stupid. It's all football.
150-pound kids playing 8-man in Kansas is football. 165 pound kids playing NAIA ball is football. And the Big 12 playing football is football. Football with sloppy-ass defense, but football all the same.
Tee kinda made the point cleanly, " It's intended to disparage," which I suppose is the nature of a huge proportion of discussion about the sport, but at the heart, it's finding smug satisfaction in disparagement, which makes this whole silly back and forth feel a tad hollow at it's hear.
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Each conference may have a somewhat different "style of play" (or not, I think we make too much of it at times). I find it interesting, when say a good defense like UGA had last year plays a Baylor in a bowl game (Baylor of course was not a typical B12 team last season), or Oklahoma. The Sooners scored 31 in the first half as I recall.
I find it all interesting, not really something about which to bicker. I wish the ACC could find some balance, and this year I'd opine Ohio State is almost as far ahead as Clemson. Well, not almost, but fairly far ahead.
Alabama seems to be annually very sturdy, I think they have a mental advantage over opponents in the SEC, at least over UGA.
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It's easy to bash, but there's also the fact that none of these teams had spring drills, most of them had zero or highly abbreviated summer drills, and they're also in the midst of a very stressful time.
I can feel the psychological toll this pandemic is taking on me, and the way it's affecting my work and the work of my colleagues. To expect 18-23-yo young people to be able to manage through that without it affecting their training and performance, would be highly unrealistic.
I suspect we will continue to see upsets and weirdness happen throughout the season. It's really impossible for this season NOT to be strange, and deliver strange results.
I think this is a good point and something I hadn't really thought about. It is entirely possible that we will see substantially more upsets than usual this year.
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I'm hoping for an upset to start the Husker's season
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From ESPN's Bill Connelly.......................
The SEC: It Just Means Score
Florida 51, Ole Miss 35
The Gators and Rebels combined for 1,255 yards, 61 first downs and a point total that could have been even higher had the teams not settled for four field goal attempts.
Mississippi State 44, LSU 34
Maybe the most incredible thing about this game is that the pass rushes were both excellent. MSU sacked LSU's Myles Brennan seven times in 53 pass attempts, and LSU brought down MSU's K.J. Costello five times in 65. And yet, after a slow start -- 111 combined yards in the first quarter -- the Bulldogs and Tigers still managed to finish with 1,057 combined yards.
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After LSU's magnificent, offense-driven run to the 2019 national title, SEC schools loaded up on points-friendly coaches. Ole Miss hired Kiffin; Mississippi State hired Leach; Missouri hired Eliah Drinkwitz; and while Arkansas went with lifetime line coach Sam Pittman, he in turn hired Kendal Briles as his offensive coordinator. That's a whole lot of offensive IQ residing in what we assume to be the bottom half of the conference. That, in turn, could result in quite a few Big 12-style shootouts and more potential upsets.
(Remind me how fun this all was when Saturday's huge Auburn-Georgia game, pitting the No. 1 and No. 2 defenses in the country per SP+, turns into a rock fight.)
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UGA has a "QB controversy", which is not a good thing to have.
D'Wan Matthis - Started Arky game, was pulled near end of first half with Dawgs trailing 7-2.. Not all his fault.
Stetson Bennet - Unheralded 5'11" backup who came in for Matthis and did reasonably well, reliable, sort of like Fromm.
J. T. Daniels - Now clear to play, USC transfer, was No. 3 rated QB out of HS and played a year as a frosh, did reasonably well, ACL surgery.
Carson Beck - True FR.
Of concern (again) was their inability to run block and RTDB against Arky of all people.
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Of concern (again) was their inability to run block and RTDB against Arky of all people.
Yeah, we know the floor of a Georgia who can't pass, but can at least run.
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Alabama seems to be annually very sturdy, I think they have a mental advantage over opponents in the SEC, at least over UGA.
They don't need that, they have a talent advantage. Over everyone. I haven't kept up with the last 2-3 years of top-end recruiting, but at worse, Alabama is on the back end of the most talented rosters of the scholly limit era.
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Need it or not they have it
it obviously originated from the talent advantage
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I'm hoping for an upset to start the Husker's season
There'll be some upset Huskers if there isn't.
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They don't need that, they have a talent advantage. Over everyone. I haven't kept up with the last 2-3 years of top-end recruiting, but at worse, Alabama is on the back end of the most talented rosters of the scholly limit era.
You might want to pay some attention then before stating things like "over everyone", but perhaps data is not your thing.
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You might want to pay some attention then before stating things like "over everyone", but perhaps data is not your thing.
Over virtually everyone
Over everyone in recent memory
etc
As in maybe Clemson has more talent, by stars. If maybe Georgia...well, the Dawgs haven't done much with it.
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Over virtually everyone
Over everyone in recent memory
etc
As in maybe Clemson has more talent, by stars. If maybe Georgia...well, the Dawgs haven't done much with it.
"They don't need that, they have a talent advantage. Over everyone. "
See the difference? Words matter. Everyone, without qualifier, is not the same as "virtually everyone".
I'm against all over generalizations.
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You nitpick and routinely have big, general ideas fly over your head. It's interesting.
I put the caveat that I hadn't kept up with the last 2-3 years. If MAYBE 1-2 don't fit the bill out of 130 FBS programs, that's a 1-sub 1% number. Such an odd thing to toil over multiple posts.
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Words mean something. Don't blame me for your inaccurate postings. I merely note them.
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Okay, list the teams that definitively have more talent than Bama. Let's gauge how wildly inaccurate I am.
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how ya gonna measure talent?
recruiting stars - numbers or NFL draft or NFL rosters?
or success in college? all-conference selections - wins and losses
or all of the above?
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how ya gonna measure talent?
recruiting stars - numbers or NFL draft or NFL rosters?
or success in college? all-conference selections - wins and losses
or all of the above?
Don't ask me, Cincy's the one claiming I'm wrong.
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Okay, list the teams that definitively have more talent than Bama. Let's gauge how wildly inaccurate I am.
You claimed they have a talent advantage over everyone, now you change your tune.
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You're reeeeeeeally bored.
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Teams that recruit on the same talent level over the past three years include Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State.
Neither has a marked advantage in recruited talent.
Alabama I posited has a mental edge over a team like Georgia, not a talent edge.
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Don't ask me, Cincy's the one claiming I'm wrong.
He's simply going with the law of averages
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The term "law of averages" is often misapplied in sports, as in "They haven't converted on third down in 12 attempts, so the LoA favors them this time."
Nyet.
I don't even know of a law of averages in reality.
I think Alabama has a mental edge against UGA while both teams recruit similar talent levels. UGA has recruited slightly better according to 247 of ate.
We all know recruiting is not everything of course, but it tends to put to rest the idea that Bama beats UGA solely on the basis of having superior talent. And the recent contests have been very close of course, but losing is losing.
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Thanks,Cliff
"I think Alabama has a mental edge against UGA while both teams recruit similar talent levels. UGA has recruited slightly better according to 247 of ate."
Just like during the Cooper years at tOSU.Could have suited up Lombardi's Packers in Scarlett & Gray but as soon as a Michigan team - any Michigan team trotted out there Tennessee John had the deer in the headlights look.
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Obviously, when Florida had their almost uninterrupted run of wins against UGA, often it was shear talent, at times it was coaching (SOS), and then it became mental when talent started to equalize. A team might get ahead and mentally they get tight wondering how they will blow it this time.
Michigan may feel this way about Ohio State IF the talent disparity ever closes. I don't know if Day is anywhere near as good a game day coach as Spurrier. He doesn't need to be right now.
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He's simply going with the law of averages
I don't think it's really a law
more of a rule or ordinance
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What is the law of rules of averages anyway? Ignorance, that's what it is.
The law of averages is the commonly held belief that a particular outcome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcome_(probability)) or event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_(probability_theory)) will over certain periods of time occur at a frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_(statistics)) that is similar to its probability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages#cite_note-2) Depending on context or application it can be considered a valid common-sense observation or a misunderstanding of probability. This notion can lead to the gambler's fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy) when one becomes convinced that a particular outcome must come soon simply because it has not occurred recently (e.g. believing that because three consecutive coin flips yielded heads, the next coin flip must be virtually guaranteed to be tails).
As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects wishful thinking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking) or a poor understanding of statistics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics) rather than any mathematical principle. While there is a real theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers) that a random variable will reflect its underlying probability over a very large sample, the law of averages typically assumes that unnatural short-term "balance" must occur.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages#cite_note-Rees-3) Typical applications also generally assume no bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skewness) in the underlying probability distribution, which is frequently at odds with the empirical evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages#cite_note-4)
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Flip a coin ten times
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flip a quarter into a cup of beer ten times
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Take your quarters to the gentleman's club, and make it hail.
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flip a quarter into a cup of beer ten times
There are easier way to clean quarters and what are you going to do with that beer then?At least use Bud Fat don't waste a Pabst on such silliness
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Take your quarters to the gentleman's club, and make it hail.
I don't even want to know
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I don't want to know, but if there are pics..............
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I don't even want to know
Come on now. "Making it hail" with quarters, as opposed to "making it rain" with dollar bills.
If you are also unfamiliar with the term "making it rain," then there is probably some rather entertaining footage out there somewhere of Pac Man Jones having to explain what it means to Roger Goodell.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Krv6QQM.jpg)
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If you are also unfamiliar with the term "making it rain," then there is probably some rather entertaining footage out there somewhere of Pac Man Jones having to explain what it means to Roger Goodell.
You being Pacman me being Roger 😂 .You know you could actually be talking about "water sports",not that there's anythng wrong with that
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No, I believe that was Usher.
Although the Pacman Jones incident would have been kicked up a notch or two, had that been the way that he made it rain.
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how ya gonna measure talent?
recruiting stars - numbers or NFL draft or NFL rosters?
or success in college? all-conference selections - wins and losses
or all of the above?
More Buckeyes have been drafted by the NFL (141) than from any other school, with only Alabama able to match Ohio State’s 31 first round picks since 2000.
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The ACC network is so weak for this Campbell @ Wake Forest game that the only ads are for cheap crappy infomercial products.
It's literally so low rent that I don't think I've even seen a political ad in the height of an election year.
I mean, I'm not complaining about no political ads. But if I don't turn this off, I'm going to buy something useless because I've been drinking lol!
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Political ads are ruining youtube for me.......it's ENDLESS.
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watching baseball is easier
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The ACC network is so weak for this Campbell @ Wake Forest game that the only ads are for cheap crappy infomercial products.
It's literally so low rent that I don't think I've even seen a political ad in the height of an election year.
I notice this too, but more so on the Cable News networks. Strange, folksy, campy, out-of-place ads across MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN. And I think it’s because big budget brands are getting hesitant about platforming their products on polarizing channel brands, even though on most nights the heavy hitters like Carlson, Maddow, and Hannity pull in over 4 million viewers.
This leaves gaps left to be filled by the likes of “The Ark Experience,” an obscure creationist museum in Kentucky, on heavy Ad rotation on Fox News.
Speaking of religion, watching BYU play La Tech on ESPN2. Really impressed with the nation’s best offense BYU is fielding. More impressive considering the big knock on Sitake was that he’s more of a defense guy. Well he’s addressed that side of the ball - up 14-7.
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28-7 right before the half
Cardinals are toast
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The NL Central was shutout in its 4 elimination games. 3 of those are not surprising.
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Political ads are ruining youtube for me.......it's ENDLESS.
I had pulled up some Lang Lang concerts to watch with the wife, and amidst some excellent passage, here comes some stupid commercial. I swore never to buy anything they were offering.
Lang Lang is pretty amazing to me. He performed here just after we moved, but I was too late getting tickets.
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The real news here is that there are still people on this planet that haven't discovered ad blocker plus. I haven't seen a single commercial on you tube in almost a decade. Kinda forgot they even have them.
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I figure ad blockers are simply a scheme to get my Internet address etc.
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Chrome and ad blocker plus are both free downloads, and in conjunction they are game changers.
You kinda missed out on the golden era though. Several sites, including a lot of college athletic dept sites, have figured out a way to prevent you from viewing their content unless you pause the ad blocker on their site.
I cannot imagine sitting through a you tube video with four or five commercial breaks though.
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some programs wont run if you block ads
does ad blocker plus have this problem
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Settling in to spend next three hours flipping between Gators-Gamecocks & Longhorns-Frogs. Looking forward to Auburn-Georgia tonight. Man, I love having an afternoon of games back on.
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These are some low scoring Big 12 games.
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Does Herman get canned at halftime? Or do they let him finish the game?
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Florida's TE Kyle Pitts is having a monster start to the season. Through seven quarters: 12 receptions, 227 catching yards, 6 TDs. Too fast for the LBs to cover, too big and strong for the CBs to contain.
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Tennessee is dominating their border war with Mizzou.
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Of course the XII game that totals a mere 28 goes to OT. Can't have that.
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Ooh, that safety was overwhelming for some.
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Tennessee is dominating their border war with Mizzou.
Battle of the Caruthersville Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caruthersville_Bridge)
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Wild, penalty marred game in Austin, with TCU coming out on top 33-31. Ehlinger throws four TDs but with only a 47% passing rate. The refs really made this a difficult game to watch. Flags for everything, especially against Texas anytime they had a big first half play. And for the past decade every Longhorns game is as follows: The team with more talent (Texas) out coached by their opponent with less talent (TCU).
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A "top ten" team losing to a winless, unranked Horned Frog squad?
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Florida St is losing to Jacksonville St? :57:
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Bama is boringly predictable.
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Florida St is losing to Jacksonville St? :57:
I'm pretty sure that FSU had several of their best players opt out after the embarrassing game against Miami last week.
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It is beginning to look as if the Noles might survive this one.
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Refs flashed conflicting field goal indicators in ole miss game. Love that
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What is up with the Air Force uniforms?
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Memphis lost to SMUw
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I must say, for me it kinda feels like old times right now... I've got the Georgia/Auburn game on and I've got you guys up on my laptop.
:)
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I must say, for me it kinda feels like old times right now... I've got the Georgia/Auburn game on and I've got you guys up on my laptop.
:)
Hey! Good to see you, hope all is well with your and yours!
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I must say, for me it kinda feels like old times right now... I've got the Georgia/Auburn game on and I've got you guys up on my laptop.
:)
Where in CA did you end up?
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Hey! Good to see you, hope all is well with your and yours!
Hey UTee!! Thank you, hope all is well with you too!
Sorry about those darn Frogs today..
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Where in CA did you end up?
San Diego! Not feeling one bit like fall out here, haha!
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San Diego! Not feeling one bit like fall out here, haha!
I'm just north in OC (Mission Viejo). Yeah, it hit 97 out so here today...
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I'm just north in OC (Mission Viejo). Yeah, it hit 97 out so here today...
Ugh.. But, then again I'm not mad about it yet. Having spent way too many cold/rainy nights and icy winters, I'm here for this.
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Ugh.. But, then again I'm not mad about it yet. Having spent way too many cold/rainy nights and icy winters, I'm here for this.
Yep. Even the heat isn't humid, and there's no winter.
But yesterday was the wrong day for our air conditioning to fail.
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Hey UTee!! Thank you, hope all is well with you too!
Sorry about those darn Frogs today..
Thanks. They earned that win, Horns didn't look ready for primetime. And so it goes.:) No worries.
So you're slumming it down in SoCal now? I feel terrible for you! ;)
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My opinion, and this is just from watching on TV, but day games with almost no fans in the stands, don't feel nearly as awkward and sad, as night games. Somehow, the missing energy from a daytime game, just isn't as noticeable as the missing energy during a night-game.
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Dawgs looking good
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BOTH starting QBs in this Iowa State Vs Oklahoma game, who BOTH have NFL futures, hail from Arizona. Cyclones Brock Purdy from Gilbert and Sooners Spencer Rattler from Phoenix. The Arizona schools can't keep anybody home.
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Matt Campbell DGAF about masks.
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BOTH starting QBs in this Iowa State Vs Oklahoma game, who BOTH have NFL futures, hail from Arizona. Cyclones Brock Purdy from Gilbert and Sooners Spencer Rattler from Phoenix. The Arizona schools can't keep anybody home.
What hurt with Purdy was neither school offering.
Bama did, but I think that was that weird moment when they suddenly needed another body, maybe?
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40s, windy, rain, early October in Ames. Such a crazy microclimate.
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Lincoln Riley is a drama Queen bitching at the refs after he called a play that got picked.Take your ball and go home Lincoln,the fascination with him is starting to wane
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Sooners have Texas and TCU on deck.UT and the Paperclips need that game next week,should be a good one
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It's always a good one, even when both teams suck. Like this year.
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Last time OU lost to the Kitties and Clones in the same season....1931.
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I must say, for me it kinda feels like old times right now... I've got the Georgia/Auburn game on and I've got you guys up on my laptop.
:)
Now you got me thinking about Nash Vegas.
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Dawgs looking good
Surprised me, with what was thought to be a 4th string QB.
Auburn had 39 yards rushing on 22 attempts.
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Pretty impressive even if the ground game on the plains was previously non-existent
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It's always a good one, even when both teams suck. Like this year.
what really hurts is we could have won that game if no fumble on the 1 yd line
Ive never seen a game called as close as this one was
not blaming the refs just making an observation
we still have our destiny in our control
just no more fumbles on the one
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Lincoln Riley is a drama Queen bitching at the refs after he called a play that got picked.Take your ball and go home Lincoln,the fascination with him is starting to wane
I mean, not to back histrionics, but his wide receiver was held/interfered with. The guy didn’t get to the spot in part because someone was tugging on his jersey. Maybe it’s still gets picked, but I can understand being hot under the collar to agree.
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Did anyone anywhere have OU starting out 1-2???
Not I.
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Big 12 is a total grease fire
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Big 12 is a total grease fire
OSU2 is the only remaining undefeated team after three games.
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I mean, not to back histrionics, but his wide receiver was held/interfered with. The guy didn’t get to the spot in part because someone was tugging on his jersey. Maybe it’s still gets picked, but I can understand being hot under the collar to agree.
I watched the replay twice(sober) there was a little bumping/hand swatting but the other guys watching didn't think so either
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Big 12 is a total grease fire
At least most games are close
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Don't pour water on a grease fire.
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Surprised me, with what was thought to be a 4th string QB.
Auburn had 39 yards rushing on 22 attempts.
someone told me the SEC plays defense
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someone told me the SEC plays defense
Oh yeah? Well, at least the Horns kept the score of our shitshow loss down in the 30s this time around. Progress!
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what really hurts is we could have won that game if no fumble on the 1 yd line
Ive never seen a game called as close as this one was
not blaming the refs just making an observation
we still have our destiny in our control
just no more fumbles on the one
And don’t forget on the play before the goal line fumble the WR who caught the long pass and was sprinting a clear ten yards ahead of any TCU defending was somehow caught from behind. Yes, the refs didn’t help, but the growing (and tiring) consensus is Why Texas isn’t starting to muscle their talent advantage over TCU(?), who’s beaten the Horns the last 6 of 7 times. Here’s Joel Klatt’s take on Texas during yesterday’s appearance on Clay Travis’ radio show:
Travis: "Let’s go into the Big 12 because you called that crazy, wild ending of the Texas and TCU game....What in the world is going on at the Texas football program?"
Joel Klatt: “Oh gosh. I can tell you that being around them this year I feel much more confident about their trajectory and where they’re headed than I did two years ago…there’s a mental block with Texas. They are physically better than TCU and should have won...there’s just something holding Texas back and I think it’s mental at this point. They got the players to be a better team. I’m going to group Oklahoma into this next part because I think this applies to both: I think there’s a reason Oklahoma hasn’t taken the next step in the playoff and there’s a reason Texas hasn’t taken the next step. And part of it is when you look at the great teams in college football, what they do is they recruit unbelievable players and those players still develop into even better players. At Ohio State practices I sat there and watched Jeff Okudah and Chase Young. At their third practice you could see how talented they were. Those young men who became top NFL picks developed, they got so much better. Too many times I see underdevelopment at both Oklahoma and Texas. They get unbelievable players and they never take the step to become elite players. I think development still happens at Bama, LSU, and Clemson. It happens at Ohio State. And I don’t think it’s happening at Texas and Oklahoma who’ve recruited at a high level but never take that next step to become elite."
Basically saying Texas doesn't develop their players. The TCU game pretty much summed up the Longhorns past decade of football: Team with significant talent advantage (Texas) gets out coached by their less talented opponent (TCU)
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Basically saying Texas doesn't develop their players. The TCU game pretty much summed up the Longhorns past decade of football: Team with significant talent advantage (Texas) gets out coached by their less talented opponent (TCU)
Sure. I don't think this is a surprise or revelation to anyone. The last 3-4 years of Mack Brown, all 3 years of Charlie Strong, and now the first 3.X years of Tom Herman, different actors, same play.
In conclusion: Sucking sucks.
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and Klatt is a colorado Buffy asshat
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what really hurts is we could have won that game if no fumble on the 1 yd line
I remember at least a couple games with Husker fumbles on the one yard line that the Horns won
gonna have to pay for those sooner or later
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Apparently they retained Tom Herman, even after a loss to a winless unranked TCU squad.
That must suck.
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and Klatt is a colorado Buffy asshat
He's chosen to go the Skip Bayless route....which gets eyeballs. Eyerolls, too, but eyeballs.
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I think player development is an underrated skill in coaches. It's why guys like Ferentz and Dantonio were so successful, despite never pulling all "blue chip" recruits. They were able to identify talent, keep the pipeline full, so that when guys were upperclassmen they were ready to contribute. In short, they were actually coached up over a period of 4-5 years.
We see all sorts of coaches/programs who squander talent. They recruit, but they never win to the level that they should given the talent they have. I'm thinking of pretty much every Notre Dame coach in recent memory. Results never actually match their recruiting.
When you get a coach who can do both, like a Saban or a Meyer, then you've got a dynasty on your hands.
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Wisconsin is another example of development, and perhaps Georgia is a counter example (recruit high, develop low?).
Maybe I'm too hard on UGA, they have been close to an NC three times in the past decade or so. Missed it by THIS much.
It's a tough business.
I think Florida could be an example of doing both, we'll see. Michigan may not be.
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Wisconsin is another example of development,
I left Wisconsin off the list because of their gimmick offense.
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He's chosen to go the Skip Bayless route....which gets eyeballs. Eyerolls, too, but eyeballs.
hey, everybody has to try to make a living
some folks sell their soul for a few bucks
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I left Wisconsin off the list because of their gimmick offense.
Yeah, good point, and all their System Running Backs. Makes me sick.
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I remember at least a couple games with Husker fumbles on the one yard line that the Horns won
gonna have to pay for those sooner or later
Really? Which ones? I don't recall any Texas-Nebraska games that ended that way.
Plenty of OTHER heartbreaking manners of loss for the Huskers, but I don't recall that method in particular.
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Yeah, good point, and all their System Running Backs. Makes me sick.
Pretty sure that was sarcasm
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Really? Which ones? I don't recall any Texas-Nebraska games that ended that way.
Plenty of OTHER heartbreaking manners of loss for the Huskers, but I don't recall that method in particular.
from the 1999 game in Austin................. forgive me, it was the 2 yard line
HUSKER DROP THE BALL AGAINST LONGHORNS
A major turnaround in the second half allowed Texas to keep Nebraska’s number as the No. 18 Longhorns defeated the third-tanked Huskers 24-20.
Texas quarterback Major Applewhite shook off a poor opening 30 minutes to complete 8 of 9 passes for 166 yards and two touchdowns in the second half as the Longhorns knocked Nebraska from the ranks of the unbeaten.
Applewhite found tight end Mike Jones with an 18-yard scoring strike with 5:51 to play. and the defense held tough down the stretch as the Longhorns defeated the Cornhuskers for the third time in as many meetings since the two joined the Big 12 Conference.
Nebraska outyarded Texas by 429-275 but lost three fumbles while the Longhorns played turnover-free football. Perhaps the most costly fumble came early in the fourth quarter when Correll Buckhalter lost the ball on the Texas 2-yard line on 3rd-and-goal run.
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from the 1999 game in Austin................. forgive me, it was the 2 yard line
HUSKER DROP THE BALL AGAINST LONGHORNS
A major turnaround in the second half allowed Texas to keep Nebraska’s number as the No. 18 Longhorns defeated the third-tanked Huskers 24-20.
Texas quarterback Major Applewhite shook off a poor opening 30 minutes to complete 8 of 9 passes for 166 yards and two touchdowns in the second half as the Longhorns knocked Nebraska from the ranks of the unbeaten.
Applewhite found tight end Mike Jones with an 18-yard scoring strike with 5:51 to play. and the defense held tough down the stretch as the Longhorns defeated the Cornhuskers for the third time in as many meetings since the two joined the Big 12 Conference.
Nebraska outyarded Texas by 429-275 but lost three fumbles while the Longhorns played turnover-free football. Perhaps the most costly fumble came early in the fourth quarter when Correll Buckhalter lost the ball on the Texas 2-yard line on 3rd-and-goal run.
Oh okay, I thought you were talking about last-second turnovers that decided the game.
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Oh okay, I thought you were talking about last-second turnovers that decided the game.
maybe not last second, but Texas was out of timeouts on a 3rd down conversion with a little over 2 minutes to go
_________________________________________________ ____
2006 Sharkwater Party in Lincoln
With three minutes left in the game, it looked like Nebraska was going to secure its first win over Texas since 1999. Not only did the Huskers own a 20-19 lead, but the first snowfall of the season began right after NU's go-ahead touchdown and the Blackshirts had stopped Texas on the ensuing drive to give NU the ball back with the lead.
But a fumble after a completed pass on third down by NU gave Texas the ball in Husker territory with 2:17 left. Texas drove to the Husker 5, and Bailey kicked UT's third 22-yard field goal of the game as the brief snowfall stopped falling inside Memorial Stadium.
Before the kick, each of the school-record 85,187 fans in Memorial Stadium and the fans watching the ABC national telecast at home, had plenty of reasons to think the UT kick would be unsuccessful.
Not only did Greg Johnson misfire on a pair of relatively short field goals earlier in the game to keep the Huskers within striking distance, but the Huskers had also blocked an extra point to keep a total of seven Longhorn points off the board.
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Or possibly the 2002 game that Burnt Eyes attended...........
Horns win 27 - 24
Cornerback Nathan Vasher intercepted Lord's pass at the Texas 1-yard line with 10 seconds remaining in the game Saturday, sending the seventh-ranked Longhorns to a 27-24 victory before a record Memorial Stadium crowd of 78,268.
The loss ended the nation's longest home winning streak at 26 games. Nebraska had not lost at home since falling in October of 1998 to -- you guessed it -- Texas.
"All in all, it's a learning experience," said Lord, a junior from Bayonne, N.J., in his first season as starter. "The next time I get in that situation at the end, hopefully the outcome will be different. I have to move on."
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He's chosen to go the Skip Bayless route....which gets eyeballs. Eyerolls, too, but eyeballs.
Problem is Skip is avoidable. They stick Klatt in the booth for big games and jam his idiocy down your throat.
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Or possibly the 2002 game that Burnt Eyes attended...........
Horns win 27 - 24
Cornerback Nathan Vasher intercepted Lord's pass at the Texas 1-yard line with 10 seconds remaining in the game Saturday, sending the seventh-ranked Longhorns to a 27-24 victory before a record Memorial Stadium crowd of 78,268.
The loss ended the nation's longest home winning streak at 26 games. Nebraska had not lost at home since falling in October of 1998 to -- you guessed it -- Texas.
"All in all, it's a learning experience," said Lord, a junior from Bayonne, N.J., in his first season as starter. "The next time I get in that situation at the end, hopefully the outcome will be different. I have to move on."
Yeah, like I said, lots of heartbreaking losses. It really sucks to be you guys.
But you particularly cited a case of a last-second fumble, and I didn't recall that being among the myriad ways y'all lost to us.
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320 didn't state last second, so I didn't either
didn't see the end of the Horn game so didn't realize it
heartbreaking losses are heartbreaking losses, regardless of a late turnover, an early turnover, or other goofy circumstance... such as adding seconds back to the clock after it goes to 0:00
hah
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Problem is Skip is avoidable. They stick Klatt in the booth for big games and jam his idiocy down your throat.
Granted I didn't listen to a broadcast this season but I've never found Klatt revolting.I don't always listen to all the banter either but I don't mind him and Gus at all.Listened to him on Dan Patrick's show a while back he was decent so Im not feeling the umberage.Gary Danielson,Skip Clueless guys like that are the ones to grab the pitchforks and torches and go after.They are a crime against informational broadcasts
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SEC games of apparent interest:
Tenn at UGA (3:30) UGA 13 point favorite
Florida at A&M Noon ESPN
Miss State at UK
Arkansas is an interesting team thus far, maybe. They play at Auburn, who didn't look great against UGA (at this point that is a double edged sword). Of course, Miss State looks dangerous beating LSU and then scores only 14 against Arkansas in a loss.
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Granted I didn't listen to a broadcast this season but I've never found Klatt revolting.I don't always listen to all the banter either but I don't mind him and Gus at all.Listened to him on Dan Patrick's show a while back he was decent so Im not feeling the umberage.Gary Danielson,Skip Clueless guys like that are the ones to grab the pitchforks and torches and go after.They are a crime against informational broadcasts
apparently, you don't have the history with Ralphie the Buffalo
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Problem is Skip is avoidable. They stick Klatt in the booth for big games and jam his idiocy down your throat.
Klatt had more to say on Clay Travis' radio show, moving on from what's wrong with Texas to what's wrong with Oklahoma:
Travis: “How stunned are you over Oklahoma’s losses to Iowa State and Kansas State to begin the season?”
Joel Klatt: “I thought when that schedule came out that at Iowa State game the week before Red River, I always thought that was going to be a tough game. For those that have never been up to Iowa State, it’s a tough place to play and Iowa State is a fundamentally good team. But what you’re seeing right now is that the suspensions, transfers, and opt outs have just destroyed Oklahoma. And we thought that, oh they’ll be fine, it’s Lincoln Riley, they’ll be fine. But they don’t have veteran leadership all over that lineup that can pull out close victories. I believe it was Max Olson wrote a great piece in the Athletic about the rest of the Big 12 starting to catch up to Oklahoma. And talking about the margin of victory getting tighter and tighter over the last two and three seasons. Even since Lincoln Riley has been there. And how Oklahoma was winning so many close games – overtime games, winning on 2 point plays even against Iowa State last year. And that’s catching up with them because they’re so young and inexperienced. They’re offensive line is not quite as dominant in part because they’re young. Their defense is really small at the back end. They don’t run the football as well as they have in previous years. And what happens is you lose tight ballgames…right now they’re just young, inexperienced, and underdeveloped."
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Problem is Skip is avoidable. They stick Klatt in the booth for big games and jam his idiocy down your throat.
Klatt is interesting because he's football smart and sometimes shows that, but he likes to dabble in the takes. He's not a full on take monster, but he turns them out strategically with precision to annoy.
It actually touches on the most odd part about former athletes in the booth. People always talk about how someone "never played the game" and then almost everyone who did play the game either sublimates that to say bland nice things or fires off opinions like a 1980s newspaper columnist. It's super weird.
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apparently, you don't have the history with Ralphie the Buffalo
Haven't the foggiest idea what that's about
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Ralphie is a cow
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Klatt had more to say on Clay Travis' radio show, moving on from what's wrong with Texas to what's wrong with Oklahoma:
Good post that's why I don't mind Klatt at all.Really got down to the nuts and bolts right there.Iowa State is fundamentally sound and does have a HFA - well from those that showed up made some noise.And I really like Matt Campbell - I can see him staying like Ferentz @ I.C. and winning the State.Unless one of the Blue Bloods come calling,and I thought when Urban stepped down the Buckeyes would have offered him(he's an Ohio guy).I wouldn't have complained had they called his number
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Ralphie is a cow
So what's that got to do with Klatt?
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Matt Campbell's name comes up, but then he goes out a loses one or two games a season that he shouldn't
just enough to keep the big guys from calling with that bucket of cash
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Klatt played for the Buffs and has a strong dislike of everything BIG RED
he's a cow with horns
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Ya but many games the opponent has the horses.People aren't happy right now with Frost but i think he's a keeper.Right now Schools like Iowa ST and UNL have to work harder than an ugly stripper on the recruiting trail.
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Klatt played for the Buffs and has a strong dislike of everything BIG RED
So in other words Wisconsin Fans don't like him? :D
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Ya but many games the opponent has the horses.People aren't happy right now with Frost but i think he's a keeper.Right now Schools like Iowa ST and UNL have to work harder than an ugly stripper on the recruiting trail.
Iowa st, Iowa, KAnsas St, and Nebraska
there are plenty of others obviously
all those places are looking for signature wins, winning streaks and other ways of building momentum to attract recruits
other ways not including, "rowing the canoe"
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More like pulling a barge
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Ya but many games the opponent has the horses.People aren't happy right now with Frost but i think he's a keeper.Right now Schools like Iowa ST and UNL have to work harder than an ugly stripper on the recruiting trail.
I don't think that has really changed... they've always had an uphill battle... play close to home or travel thousand of miles. The key has always been walkons and 5th year seniors. Programs like UNL and even wisky have to build players. The can't rely on a 6'6" 340 true freshman at RT. They have to recruit the 6'6" kid who is only 280 right now and playing TE... and make him a RT. You can end up successful and in the same place, but it just has a different pace of recovery/building.
UNL compounded that problem with AD switching systems and basically putting themselves on probation with each coaching change.
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UNL compounded that problem with AD switching systems and basically putting themselves on probation with each coaching change.
Didn't know that,pretty hard to re-establish the recruiting lanes when the the detour has been this long.But today's kids seem more fickle - one good season is all that is needed.And for covid to go away
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Matt Campbell's name comes up, but then he goes out a loses one or two games a season that he shouldn't
just enough to keep the big guys from calling with that bucket of cash
That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.
At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time.
And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming....
The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule.
He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion.
What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?
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Solich - option and inside running game
BC - West Coast Offense
BP - Spread option
Riley - Traditional pro formation, power running
Frost - Spread balance
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That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.
No he isn't he was the guy behind Toledo's resurgence about a decade ago but Tim Beckman got the credit.He turned around and made a mess in Champaign-Urbana.Where as Campell righted the ship so to speak in Ames as reasonably as could be expected.Oh and it's Iowa State,hell Urbz lost to Iowa and Purdue in B2B years with a decided advantage in the talent/roster.And Brohm and Ferentz both later went out and laid eggs - it happens
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That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.
At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time.
And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming....
The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule.
He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion.
What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?
So this is interesting. It asks, does the next hot name coach need to be someone who beaks through with a big season (9-plus wins)? Or can someone who has been more consistently solid get a nod. It's the reason Darrell Hazel gets a promotion after two years on the job, while Chris Chrighton, who has five years of 5 to 7 wins at Eastern Michigan does not. (Four years at one game below .500 at EMU is bonkers).
I supposed the Iowa rivalry thing is notable, though it's two sides of the same coin. Before Campbell, Iowa State could upend decent Iowa teams, but even then was mostly mediocre to bad, so it was losing slip up games aplenty. Now Iowa State can up end better teams like OU and such, but is still prone to slip ups.
I respect there's some tiring of "it's ISU," but it really is. ISU's winningest coach didn't win 40 percent of his games. Since Earl Bruce, the best full-time coach by winning percentage was 18-24-2. But there's also a factor that winning big upsets and losing slip up games works at an underdog school and makes you enemy of the state at a bigger one (it's like a great anecdote about being a bad team goalie in one of my favorite books about hockey).
I think Campbell has some good personality traits. He's got system stuff, but he's mostly a culture guy, makes good impressions. I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand. If that makes him a good option at the next level, who knows? Most coaches rise till they're fired, and he likely will go down that path.
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imo.. building consistency at eastern would be tougher than building one 9 win season... That said, Cultural fit is more important.
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imo.. building consistency at eastern would be tougher than building one 9 win season... That said, Cultural fit is more important.
I agree. But it usually takes that big season. Interestingly, when Urban jumped out of the MAC, he had less of a big season than one remembers, but he upset some mediocre Big 12 teams and had that culture/feel to him that everyone could see.
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Heh, Toledo has had the best roster in the Mac the whole millennium, and they never win their own division, let alone the Mac CCG. Perennial underachievers.
They did manage to muster one the year after Campbell left though. So perhaps he might really set a mean table for the next ISU HC, lol.
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That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.
At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time.
And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming....
The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule.
He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion.
What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?
Uhhh, "this guy's resume sucks when you take all the good stuff out" much?
ISU pre-Campbell: 3-9, 2-10, 3-9
First year Campbell: 3-9
2nd year Campbell: 8-5.....with wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU
He raised the potential ceiling at ISU with those two wins. All 5 losses were to decent programs and none by more than 10 points. He took a talentless? roster and after one year, made them matter and showed what was possible. Multiple wins over top-5 teams (I'd guess) wouldn't happen at ISU in a decade, and he did it in a season - in year 2.
What kind of ceiling you show matters A LOT.
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That's cute.
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I mean obviously he's not a complete dumpster fire. Hence the fawning adoration.
He is definitely the best thing to happen to Kirk Ferentz. He would have finished with a losing record vs the Clones, if it wasn't for the Matt Campbell hire.
I could see why someone like Pitt might take a flier on him. But the "next elite coach"? Come on.
If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
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I'd take 10 wins per season ...
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I mean obviously he's not a complete dumpster fire. Hence the fawning adoration.
He is definitely the best thing to happen to Kirk Ferentz. He would have finished with a losing record vs the Clones, if it wasn't for the Matt Campbell hire.
I could see why someone like Pitt might take a flier on him. But the "next elite coach"? Come on.
If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
I assume this just means predicting the next elite coach is generally meaningless.
The two most elite coaches at the moment, one had no coordinator experience, the other got pissy one year removed from going 1.5 games above .500 his first four years in at MSU. I don't know who else even first that category? Maybe Day? (His resume was odd, to say the least)
Anywho, going 0-3 with passable teams against Iowa is what it is. If that's the be-all, end-all, then sure. It depends what one puts value on, circumstances to a degree, and in the end, there's always a nit to pick with most any coach.
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I'd take 10 wins per season ...
Yeah right. Bo had you at 9, and that got him run out of town on a rail.
10 sounds good now, but it would get old if you were losing all the rivalry games, bowl games, and never winning any B1G West Titles.
Even a run to the NCG wasn't good enough for Solich. No way you'd put up with a John Cooper type coach indefinitely.
This guy is probably a good table setter. Get you out of the basement, and build up a roster so that someone that knows what they are doing can come in and win right away.
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What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?
wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU as stated
also a couple upsets over the Horns
people see these upsets over teams with twice the talent and assume the guy can flat out coach
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If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
I'm not sold Campbell could win 10 each season at Michigan, but it would be fun to watch him try.
He was talked about for the job in Lincoln, I wasn't impressed.
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Yeah right. Bo had you at 9, and that got him run out of town on a rail.
10 sounds good now, but it would get old if you were losing all the rivalry games, bowl games, and never winning any B1G West Titles.
Even a run to the NCG wasn't good enough for Solich. No way you'd put up with a John Cooper type coach indefinitely.
This guy is probably a good table setter. Get you out of the basement, and build up a roster so that someone that knows what they are doing can come in and win right away.
sometimes lessons are learned the hard way... I don't think he's elite. I'd stay at ISU if I were him... 9 wins per season is hero status there...
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I'd much rather a big name hire the boat rower and get him out of the West
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sometimes lessons are learned the hard way... I don't think he's elite. I'd stay at ISU if I were him... 9 wins per season is hero status there...
So this is interesting. It implies he shouldn't test his limits because he might fail. We see this sometimes with great coordinators who become lousy head coaches, where we lament, if only they just stayed at what they were good at.
But in the end, there's almost all upside and no downside in going somewhere better. If he succeeds at the next level, he continues a trend of people with uneven resumes doing well at big jobs. If he fails, some smaller team will give him another chance, probably one with a better foundation than ISU. And in the interim, he gets to feed his ambition and make a boatload more money.
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wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU as stated
also a couple upsets over the Horns
people see these upsets over teams with twice the talent and assume the guy can flat out coach
What's the evidence he cannot coach?
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I'd much rather a big name hire the boat rower and get him out of the West
Every conference needs a carnival barker. Barnum stays.
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So this is interesting. It implies he shouldn't test his limits because he might fail. We see this sometimes with great coordinators who become lousy head coaches, where we lament, if only they just stayed at what they were good at.
But in the end, there's almost all upside and no downside in going somewhere better. If he succeeds at the next level, he continues a trend of people with uneven resumes doing well at big jobs. If he fails, some smaller team will give him another chance, probably one with a better foundation than ISU. And in the interim, he gets to feed his ambition and make a boatload more money.
Some who fail never HC again as well. I also think at times, people are good fits. There is also nothing wrong with being Bill Snyder.
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Every conference needs a carnival barker. Barnum stays.
never thought I'd hear that from you, of all Badgers
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What's the evidence he cannot coach?
oh he can coach
just not sure he can win conference titles at Nebraska or Michigan or anywhere, including Iowa State.
Although, if he can beat Kansas State this season he has a shot at the Big 12 title
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He provides humor to me.
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I think Campbell has some good personality traits. He's got system stuff, but he's mostly a culture guy, makes good impressions. I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand. If that makes him a good option at the next level, who knows? Most coaches rise till they're fired, and he likely will go down that path.
well Campell arrived in Toledo in 2009 prior to that the Rockets had 2,5-7 seasons and 1,3-9 Season and his 1st yr as an assistant they were 5-7 - a team he did not recruit.So I'm not seeing "Given the Talent at hand".But 3 yrs later as HC he went 9-4,7-5,9-4.So pretty decent considering the turn around and tough recruiting.And as you mentioned now the Cyclones can beat an occasional Texas(last year) Oklahoma (this year).Wonder what he would do at a FSU,Oregon or maybe even a USC/UCLA.Those last 2 need a big turn around and surprised Chippy is floundering
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I'm not sold Campbell could win 10 each season at Michigan, but it would be fun to watch him try.
He was talked about for the job in Lincoln, I wasn't impressed.
IMO any reasonable M Fan would roll the dice with Campell,looking like JH's ship is snagged on the rocks
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If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
In your opinion that in this instance is whack.The guy can coach and surrounding yourself with other good coaches is important.Toledo and IA ST are/were both happy with him
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No way you'd put up with a John Cooper type coach indefinitely.
You're getting better ;D
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This is an odd claim to stake so strongly. Raise your hand if you're certain you know who the next great HC will be by a blueblood. To specify Campbell and say it's not him is
a) statistically safe, because no one person is LIKELY to be the next great hire
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b) odd to single him out, considering what he's done
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well Campell arrived in Toledo in 2009 prior to that the Rockets had 2,5-7 seasons and 1,3-9 Season and his 1st yr as an assistant they were 5-7 - a team he did not recruit.So I'm not seeing "Given the Talent at hand".But 3 yrs later as HC he went 9-4,7-5,9-4.So pretty decent considering the turn around and tough recruiting.And as you mentioned now the Cyclones can beat an occasional Texas(last year) Oklahoma (this year).Wonder what he would do at a FSU,Oregon or maybe even a USC/UCLA.Those last 2 need a big turn around and surprised Chippy is floundering
So, when I wrote "given the talent on hand" I was speaking of that last four-year run. His first team mostly had talent the staff he was on recruited. And those teams were your classic looking good off the bus teams. Fast on defense, big lines, fast slot receivers, tall outside receivers, good running backs and a set of pretty impressive looking QBs. They were probably the best recruiting team in the MAC before Fleck got going.
To Campbell's credit, he didn't shy from non-conference foes, so that depressed the record a little. But I think he probably should've been a bit better on the margins. NIU was super those first two years, but they had the talent to push at least the first year. They very much had the talent to at least split with Ball State his first two years. The Cardinals were just more polished and made plays at the end. Shoot, then that 2013 team trips against a sub-.500 Akron team Thanksgiving week and misses a dang bowl.
The 2014 and 2015 teams were different beasts. Ball State fell off, NIU was worse but still good, WMU was rising. In 2014 they still can't beat NIU to get to the MAC title game led by an NFL RB. The next year, they beat two P5 teams and slip up against teams with 5 and 6 losses to miss another title game. Basically, I think they should've made one of those two and not missed a bowl with the pieces they had.
That's not to say he wouldn't be an ideal fit elsewhere. If there's one thing we know, what a coach has already don't often isn't much of a indicator of what comes next. I think he'd be fine at a very good program. I doubt the prognosis is quite as dire as BB said, but then again, most coaches fail. That that beast.
(The Toledo turnaround is interesting. They had unheard of stability with Pinkell, then promoted from within, got five good years and three bad years, and were good in Year 2. It's an interesting program.)
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That's not to say he wouldn't be an ideal fit elsewhere. If there's one thing we know, what a coach has already don't often isn't much of a indicator of what comes next. I think he'd be fine at a very good program.
You talking about Paul Chryst?
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I'm singling out Matt Campbell because he is today's "next elite coach." When the "next elite coach" was Tom Herman, I was singling him out as having major red flags.
If someone wants to bring him in, fine with me. I'm glad that it wasn't OSU, and hope that it won't be if Day splits.
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How about identifying who the "next elite coach IS" instead? Less safe, anyway.
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I had Urban Meyer pegged at BG and Utah as a coach that was destined for great things. Saban's rise was a little before my time, so I am 1 for 1 so far identifying the next elite coach.
I don't see one out there at the moment. Others latch onto a trendy name; Lincoln Riley, Matt Campbell, Tom Herman, etc. As though elite coaches just grow on trees.
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Hell, if I could do that, I'd be collecting consulting fees from USC and UCLA.
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For USC, I'd've suggested hanging onto Ed Orgeron.
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I had Urban Meyer pegged at BG and Utah as a coach that was destined for great things. Saban's rise was a little before my time, so I am 1 for 1 so far identifying the next elite coach.
I don't see one out there at the moment. Others latch onto a trendy name; Lincoln Riley, Matt Campbell, Tom Herman, etc. As though elite coaches just grow on trees.
After Utah, sure. He took a modestly successful program and supercharged it with a QB he inherited and developed.
But at BG, he had two teams that finished in third place in their division and didn't go bowling.
If that's a pereq to eliteness, Campbell is fine, or this exercise is silly and we should just say, maybe Matt Campbell would be pretty good, maybe not. In the end, all coaches have red flags. All are risks. And when they kick ass at the next level, we forget the issues of their resumes, and when they struggle, we say "see, they had that flaw all along."
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Hell, if I could do that, I'd be collecting consulting fees from USC and UCLA.
and FSU and Miami and Arkansas and Texas and UNL and Michigan and ...........
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Yeah, some major programs historically not in a good place right now.
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heck, we could add 3/4ths of the SEC to that list
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Pffft, the entire earth knew Meyer would be good.
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I wasn't so sure
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So what planet were you living on? :57:
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one of the 24 better planets than earth
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They were probably the best recruiting team in the MAC before Fleck got going.
That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
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That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
The recruiting had been there, just not the results. Starting in 2006, in terms of MAC Composite Recruiting rankings, Toledo went #3, #2, #1, #2, #1, #1, #1, #1, #2, #4, #2, #1, #1, #1, #1.
The only time since 2007 the Rockets were lower than #2 was 2015, which was the year Campbell left for ISU, when they fell all the way to #4.
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Don't care about the rankings the standings more often than not bare this out sans injuries
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That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
This logic is circular. I'm saying he had enough talent to win the MAC, you're telling me he simply could not have because he didn't win it.
Let's put it this way, you've explained he was guy playing a big role before he arrived. Well that drought had 12 seasons between titles. He was either a big part or leading seven of those teams. He had juniors and seniors he played a role in recruiting for 3-4 of his seasons. They were always just a little bit short.
I think he's a good coach. I think he could be a very good coach. But he had some teams that probably could've been winning tie-breakers for titles instead of losing them. He had one team that definitely should've. Is what it is.
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Don't care about the rankings the standings more often than not bare this out sans injuries
So for 12 straight years the recruiting rankings were wrong?
Toledo consistently has consistently had the most talent in the MAC for 15 years now, save a one off here or there from NIU or WMU.
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Toledo has scalped more P5s than anyone. They have talent.
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This logic is circular. I'm saying he had enough talent to win the MAC, you're telling me he simply could not have because he didn't win it.
Let's put it this way, you've explained he was guy playing a big role before he arrived. Well that drought had 12 seasons between titles. He was either a big part or leading seven of those teams. He had juniors and seniors he played a role in recruiting for 3-4 of his seasons. They were always just a little bit short.
I think he's a good coach. I think he could be a very good coach. But he had some teams that probably could've been winning tie-breakers for titles instead of losing them. He had one team that definitely should've. Is what it is.
No look at the previous records before he arrived - I posted them.You are making the leap that Toledo did have talent the record doesn't bare that out.Again the Juniors and seniors Campell recruited won the Title though he wasn't there.There was a reason Beckman was shown the door @ Illinois and Campell has went on to defeat storied programs as a 2nd tier team.That is not a coincidence.Why don't you take the time to find out how many of those pre Campell Rockets went sundays.As opposed to the teams that actually won the conference that you insist didn't have as much talent :017:
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Toledo had enough talent to beat Michigan in the Big House, the year that they had their worst record. They've knocked off Penn State, Arkansas, etc.
Checking, it is BYU that has the most P5 wins, as they rack up wins against Pac 12 cupcakes year in and year out. I think they may have beaten Texas a time or two, so a few brand name scalps as well.
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So for 12 straight years the recruiting rankings were wrong?
Toledo consistently has consistently had the most talent in the MAC for 15 years now, save a one off here or there from NIU or WMU.
I dunno,since 2005 NIU has won the MAC 4X C.Mich has won it 3x,Miami & BG 2x and Toledo 1.Jury is still out,your assertion certainly isn't indicated by the actual barometer of competition.
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I dunno,since 2005 NIU has won the MAC 4X C.Mich has won it 3x,Miami & BG 2x and Toledo 1.Jury is still out,your assertion certainly isn't indicated by the actual barometer of competition.
That's sort of the point. That coach after coach was able to bring the talent in, but not do anything with it
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No look at the previous records before he arrived - I posted them.You are making the leap that Toledo did have talent the record doesn't bare that out.Again the Juniors and seniors Campell recruited won the Title though he wasn't there.There was a reason Beckman was shown the door @ Illinois and Campell has went on to defeat storied programs as a 2nd tier team.That is not a coincidence.Why don't you take the time to find out how many of those pre Campell Rockets went sundays.As opposed to the teams that actually won the conference that you insist didn't have as much talent :017:
I mean, I just did a simple thing. I watched the games.
I watched them go through Terrance Owens, Phillip Ely and Logan Woodside at QB. I watched Kareem Hunt and David Fluellen. I watched Cody Thompson, Alonzo Russell, Bernad Reedy. To your credit, they did not build particularly effective defenses most of his years (I think they had a good bit of speed, but I'm not digging through the names tonight).
Anyway, this is all sorts of confusing. Beckman was shown the door because he pressured players to play hurt. He wasn't canned for ineffectiveness (not that he was particularly effective), but because he got in trouble. Shoot, he got fired one week before the season started.
This talent=conference title thing is silly. Did the 2015 Buckeyes have less talent than MSU? Nope. And even if we want to argue that they didn't have the talent four years into his tenure, but did right after, he was on staff the three years before and you wrote "he was the guy behind Toledo's resurgence about a decade ago but Tim Beckman got the credit." So he didn't have any impact on the talent as a position coach/coordinator, but he suddenly took over and then didn't recruit the good talent until it was going to blossom after he left? It's just too convenient.
And that's not all to say that he's not doing a good job at ISU or won't do a good job at the next step (I think he'll be pretty decent, though perhaps not to BB's solve everything level). But his two third-place team probably should've produced at least one second-place finish (plus not lose to Akron to fall out of a bowl game). And his last two teams were picked to win the West and neither did. The final team lost as an 8 and 9 point to two 8-5 teams and one win would've meant at trip to the title game. They underachieved a little there. Not a lot, but a little. And yes, a team can in fact underachieve five years removed from a 18-27 run.
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15 yrs is a trend not a coincidence and they weren't the 2015 Buckeyes or Spartans.You have to go by results on the field it's why they play the games or we're left with the opinions of those who won't accept those results because it would indicate their findings were forlorn.Long winded diatribes doesn't make it less so.
Alot of reporters/writers at the time said it was Campell's input that made the difference.So it's a coincidence at Illinois the wheels came off.It all to convenient.Listen you may not be impressed by a guy who has defeated national powers at a 2nd tier program.
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15 yrs is a trend not a coincidence and they weren't the 2015 Buckeyes or Spartans.You have to go by results on the field it's why they play the games or we're left with the opinions of those who won't accept those results because it would indicate their findings were forlorn.Long winded diatribes doesn't make it less so
By this logic, teams cannot underachieve their talent. This is the point you have made. As we're going in circles, let it be written, let it be done.
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Talk about MACtion!
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By this logic, teams cannot underachieve their talent. This is the point you have made. As we're going in circles, let it be written, let it be done.
Not over 15 years,If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.So from now on we should wait on your unrivaled insight to comment on the contests instead of the actual results from the field of play :breakcomp:.Would that satisfy your morbid craving for controversy.?
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That's sort of the point. That coach after coach was able to bring the talent in, but not do anything with it
But that is my point,A quick draft check 2009-2016,that's 8 yrs the Rockets had nobody picked in the NFL draft
https://www.footballdb.com/draft/college.html?c=Toledo
But from 2012-2015 Campell went 35-15 so back to the original point before the orgy of disorder interrupted,he didn't have a glut of talent over the opposition like what was previously suggested.He's a solid coach and really thought Sparty would come calling
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Talk about MACtion!
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There's more MAC talk here than at the MAC CCG.
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But that is my point,A quick draft check 2009-2016,that's 8 yrs the Rockets had nobody picked in the NFL draft
https://www.footballdb.com/draft/college.html?c=Toledo
But from 2012-2015 Campell went 35-15 so back to the original point before the orgy of disorder interrupted,he didn't have a glut of talent over the opposition like what was previously suggested.He's a solid coach and really thought Sparty would come calling
I think Campbell is a good coach. He was the one to finally harness the talent. MSU did come calling, through back channels, he turned them down. Makes me think for now he's betting on himself to land either a helmet job or a Sunday job.
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Not over 15 years,If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.So from now on we should wait on your unrivaled insight to comment on the contests instead of the actual results from the field of play :breakcomp:.Would that satisfy your morbid craving for controversy.?
I named players that I watched play football. I watched a not insignificant amount of MAC football. We can talk about an offense with an NFL QB and WR not being able to beat an NIU team with one NFL draft and a division title on the line. We can talk about the next year, when a Toledo team with three NFL picks blew an 8-point fourth quarter lead to a NIU team with a backup QB and one NFL guy (to their credit, when they lost to a 6-5 team to lose the MAC West that year, it was a pretty talented 6-5 team). You seem to be talking about batches of records, not actual players/teams etc.
But if 15 years of evidence can't be wrong, I'm sure 13 is near as good. I'm pleased to learn a certain school with a strong tradition simply didn't have the talent to compete with a school up north. Shoot, couldn't go 2-10-1 with more talent.
(The guy had a couple of teams that should've been a bit better. It's really not actually much of a deal at all)
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I think Campbell is a good coach. He was the one to finally harness the talent. MSU did come calling, through back channels, he turned them down. Makes me think for now he's betting on himself to land either a helmet job or a Sunday job.
Really?The Bastage - I take everthing back
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You seem to be talking about batches of records, not actual players/teams etc.
I left actual stats I didn't splice in my opinion.So let me get this right NIU won 4 MAC championships but Toledo was better because they under achieved and it fits your narrative that's really it.CMU won the MAC 3x but Toledo was better for the same reasons, even though 3 years leading up to Campells hire they had losing records.And in 8 yrs didn't have a NFL Draft Pick 3 of those during MC's tenure - and that tells you Toledo was loaded?
Lee Harvey you mad man - I want to party with you
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I left actual stats I didn't splice in my opinion.So let me get this right NIU won 4 MAC championships but Toledo was better because they under achieved and it fits your narrative that's really it.CMU won the MAC 3x but Toledo was better for the same reasons, even though 3 years leading up to Campells hire they had losing records.And in 8 yrs didn't have a NFL Draft Pick 3 of those during MC's tenure - and that tells you Toledo was loaded?
Lee Harvey you mad man - I want to party with you
See, this is the thing, you're misreading both me and my narrative.
NIU won three conference titles in this period. In the MC era, NIU was much better in Years 1 and 2. Ball State was not much better, they were maybe even. But Ball State's quarterback staged game-winning drives to snatch victory twice. Toledo probably should've got one of those. And they were def better in 2013 than a 5-7 Akron team the prevented them from going to a bowl.
In 2014, they were good enough to be right there with an NIU team that was probably equivalently talented (I should be nicer there, they had QB issues that night). In 2015, they were good enough to drop the MAC champs on the road by 16 points, but couldn't win at home against teams that lost 5 and 6 games to get to the title game. He built a good program. But he also was a little short in a few of those years. They just left a lil something on the table. (Bolded because that's the narrative)
I don't know why you mentioned CMU other than to obfuscate. Their last title was when Campbell wasn't even a coordinator. The draft part is interesting, but it's the MAC. Not that many kids get drafted. Those NIU teams didn't have many picks. Some of those CMU teams had like 2-3.
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He'd probably do best at a school where the "rivalry game" was no longer played; Nebraska, Texas A&M, Pitt, W Virginia, etc. Take that blemish out of the equation.
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See, this is the thing, you're misreading both me and my narrative.No I'm not you mentioned 3 pages back and I quote " I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand".At no time did Toledo have talent at hand over CMU or NUI or even Miami or BG.I don't need dissertations on what you say/think should have happened or why it didn't.It was a little short because the Talent of afore mentioned squads.Coaches coached,players played and games were held and by that collective compilation I drew my conclusions.Records/stats/standings count
I don't know why you mentioned CMU other than to obfuscate. Because they won the Title 3x - you not I falsly protracted Toledo had this plethora of talent.You can can cherry pick and henpeck bits and slices of this/that but it changes nothing.But for what ever reason you felt the need to correct someone who evidently held a different view than yours that happened to be correct.Making a point is one thing proliferating bombast for reasons unkown are another - Good Night
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If you're writing the sentence "At no time did Toledo have talent at hand over CMU" you're making things up to support some narrative you want. And if you're telling me a team whose last title was in 2009 has a place in a discussion of a coach who coached from 2012-2015, then we're just being silly.
Do you watch a ton of MAC football? Like actually?
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He'd probably do best at a school where the "rivalry game" was no longer played; Nebraska, Texas A&M, Pitt, W Virginia, etc. Take that blemish out of the equation.
That seems like a sorta micro way to judge a coach. I mean, he did manage to sweep Bowling Green, even when the Falcons won a couple conference titles.
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Is the concept of accepting the results of conference play(repeatedly) a little too complex for you?.Yes,yes we'll just ignore all of that and harken back to the 2-3 paragraphs tossed out citing you've watched a few games and even mentioned some plays.Further more we'll ignore NIUs 4/CMUs3/Miami & BGs 2 conferences titles in favor of TU's 1 over that 15 yr run - because you fookin' say so.And your word is platinum at all inter-Galactic Councils.Oh and just a reminder Toledo's lone Title over that time span was in 2017 2 yrs after MCs exit.Further cementing your idiom "I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand".Slammed the door shut on another case there Deputy Fife
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Is the concept of accepting the results of conference play(repeatedly) a little too complex for you?.Yes,yes we'll just ignore all of that and harken back to the 2-3 paragraphs tossed out citing you've watched a few games and even mentioned some plays.Further more we'll ignore NIUs 4/CMUs3/Miami & BGs 2 conferences titles in favor of TU's 1 over that 15 yr run - because you fookin' say so.And your word is platinum at all inter-Galactic Councils.Oh and just a reminder Toledo's lone Title over that time span was in 2017 2 yrs after MCs exit.Further cementing your idiom "I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand".Slammed the door shut on another case there Deputy Fife
This is the weirdest way to spackle over things you don't know.
I accept the results of conference play show me who the best teams are. I also know that being the best team isn't directly correlated to having the best talent. Sometimes teams with good talent underperform by a game or so every year.
If you want to pretend otherwise, that's fine. But it's silly. If you're gonna get heated and erratic, fine. I'll revise my word (you said it went intergalactic, not I): "Matt Campbell is without failing. He is the greatest. Because Dan LeFevour was a beast when Campbell was an OL coach at BG is clear and strong evidence why Campbell simply couldn't be even with Ball State his first two years or win a MAC title like Michael Haywood or Dave Doeren"
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I had Urban Meyer pegged at BG and Utah as a coach that was destined for great things. Saban's rise was a little before my time, so I am 1 for 1 so far identifying the next elite coach.
I don't see one out there at the moment. Others latch onto a trendy name; Lincoln Riley, Matt Campbell, Tom Herman, etc. As though elite coaches just grow on trees.
Here's the previously referenced article on how all the fawning over Lincoln Riley might be due to end - rest of Big 12 is catching up with Sooners.
"OU suffered fourth-quarter meltdowns in each of its first two Big 12 Conference games, and thus started 0-2 in Big 12 play for the first time since 1998.
If the Sooners are going to avoid their first 1-3 start since 1965, they’re going to have to tackle much better against Texas.
“We’ve just got to all do a better job of doing what we do,” Riley said, “and I think that’s the bottom line.”
https://twitter.com/max_olson/status/1312072817614168066
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Here's the previously referenced article on how all the fawning over Lincoln Riley might be due to end - rest of Big 12 is catching up with Sooners.
"OU suffered fourth-quarter meltdowns in each of its first two Big 12 Conference games, and thus started 0-2 in Big 12 play for the first time since 1998.
If the Sooners are going to avoid their first 1-3 start since 1965, they’re going to have to tackle much better against Texas.
“We’ve just got to all do a better job of doing what we do,” Riley said, “and I think that’s the bottom line.”
https://twitter.com/max_olson/status/1312072817614168066
Two things
1. Remember who OU was known a ton for defense in the early 2000s? Crazy how much that changed.
2. Brutus kinda said he doesn't see a next elite coach. Considering there's like twoish now, and correctly picking them out seems like a once or twice a decade thing, perhaps it just makes sense to assume no one is actually going to be that, many more will be the win 10 games at a blue blood type and leave it at that. Like we just assume the hype doesn't cover all the way up to "elite" since almost no one is actually at that place.
(Also, if the Big 12 is catching up to OU, it's about damn time. They won 5 in a row and 12 of he past 18)
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Gotta love the sMACk talk.
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many teams were previously known for good solid defense
not many these days
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Big 12 teams aren't catching up to OU's talent or coaching, but those high "twelving" scores do lend to the best team not always winning. We all know this.
Even when Florida sucked, we had 1st round defenders getting drafted - something UM pointed out that OU and Texas have lacked lately.
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Texas arguably has more talent than OU this year. But Texas is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to coaching.
Both teams have had atrocious defenses for decades.
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Texas arguably has more talent than OU this year. But Texas is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to coaching.
Both teams have had atrocious defenses for decades.
Oh lord, I'm not that old.
Oklahoma is about four or five years removed from just outside the top 25-level. You have to go back to 2010-2011 for them being top 15 or 10ish.
Texas is actually only a couple years removed from some top-15 quality defenses. Herman and Strong each had one. Mack had one top-20 level one in 2011 and then top 10 in 2009. They have been both inconsistent year to year and great at pairing the good defenses with bad offenses.
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Are Texas fans regretting pushing Mack out of town?
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Oh lord, I'm not that old.
Oklahoma is about four or five years removed from just outside the top 25-level. You have to go back to 2010-2011 for them being top 15 or 10ish.
Texas is actually only a couple years removed from some top-15 quality defenses. Herman and Strong each had one. Mack had one top-20 level one in 2011 and then top 10 in 2009. They have been both inconsistent year to year and great at pairing the good defenses with bad offenses.
Eh, one or two good years mixed in with atrocious, is still atrocious.
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Are Texas fans regretting pushing Mack out of town?
Nah, Mack needed to go. He was mailing it in-- poorly-- for the last few years.
But Texas fans are certainly regretting the subsequent hiring decisions.
As we've discussed many times around here, seems like coaches have a shelf life. Even very good ones burn out or fade away at a certain point.
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https://twitter.com/EricBlackerby/status/1313970390537056256?s=20
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Even very good ones burn out or fade away at a certain point.
Yeah, look at Saban, once pretty good, now a shell of his former self.
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Yeah, look at Saban, once pretty good, now a shell of his former self.
Yeah, you found the sole exception.
Pretty much proves my point.
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Nah, Mack needed to go. He was mailing it in-- poorly-- for the last few years.
But Texas fans are certainly regretting the subsequent hiring decisions.
As we've discussed many times around here, seems like coaches have a shelf life. Even very good ones burn out or fade away at a certain point.
I think they have some shelf life and their fans have some shelf life. The allure of something different is always strong unless you're winning at the Dabo/Saban rate. And Mack was always a hair or two under that even in the best times.
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This is the weirdest way to spackle over things you don't know. You continue to display your unique ability for fetching bombast from your backside
I accept the results of conference play show me who the best teams are. I also know that being the best team isn't directly correlated to having the best talent. Sometimes teams with good talent underperform by a game or so every year. Oh you know this! so TU underperformed for 14 of those 15 yrs because"I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand" and by what metric do you know that to be accurate outside of self aggrandizement?As I've previoiusly posted that lament isn't evident over MCs 4yrs as HC in the midst of an 8 yr span that not one Rocket was taken in the draft
If you want to pretend profess otherwise, that's fine. But it's silly. FIFY
If you're gonna get heated and erratic, fine.Hardly your bristling pride and seething grievance and aversion to actual protracted results on the field has been duly noted and blissfully woeful
I'll revise my word (you said it went intergalactic, not I): "Matt Campbell is without failing. He is the greatest. Because Dan LeFevour was a beast when Campbell was an OL coach at BG is clear and strong evidence why Campbell simply couldn't be even with Ball State his first two years
I'll bite,let's review that troubled little tale shall we?Ball State and TU both finished 2012 @9-4 with BSU beating TU 34-27.In 2013 A 10-3 BSU squad bested a 7-5 TU team 31-24.Doesn't appear the epic David vs Goliath scenario you were grasping for,almost exactly opposite
or win a MAC title like Michael Haywood or Dave Doeren"
Oh ya got me Haywood stayed 2 seaons and won the conference with JRs/Srs he didn't recruit and finished with a 10-15 record @ Miami.But he really established himself at Texas Southern where he finished 18-40.Doeren is interesting,and desirable,like Haywood stayed only 2 seasons but finished 23-4 winning the Conference twice albeit with veterans not procured by him but he certainly lead and directed.And the Huskies did appear in the title game the year before Dave arrived - just to be accurate.Must be noted in 9 yrs NIU played for the conference championship 7X(2010-2018).Now there's the talent at hand you were previously pontificating
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Nah, Mack needed to go. He was mailing it in-- poorly-- for the last few years.
Like John Cooper but Mack at least grabbed the hardware in smashing fashion.Did Mack ever say"Ah don't hayva Kl-e-e-w?"You can still hear collective sighs from the faithful but we've gotten better
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Nubbz, if you wanna say protracted results matter, then John Cooper didn't have the talent to win more than twice in 13 tries against Michigan. And I know you don't believe that.
I'll address the Ball State thing. In 2012, Toledo started 8-1, got ranked, lost at home despite leading at the start of the fourth quarter. They ran for 311 yards at 6 a carry, won the turnover battle 3-1 and lost (with a slew of penalties). They ultimately finished tied for second having lost to the team they were tied with. The next year, they played at Ball State. Twice in the fourth quarter, they tied it up. Twice they couldn't hold on. They averaged about 100 yards of penalties in those games. And while it is true, that Ball State went 10-3 and Toldeo was 7-5, that's in part because Toledo scheduled a pair of SEC teams and in part because after losing to NIU, Toledo had a letdown against 4-7 Akron. Looking at that, based on watching MAC football at the time, Toledo was good enough to split with BSU and for sure good enough to beat Akron.
As for those coaches, we pointed out Hayward took a team from being pretty bad with recruits from a coach who was 10-27 his last three years (then he got hired by Pitt and fired for hitting his wife). Doeren took over a team in a nice spot. He replaced Jerry Kill, who jumpstarted things after the Jay Novak era got stale.
But Campbell inherited a team that went 14-2 in conference and split a division title, losing the tiebreaker by 3 in a wild shootout. Somehow, some way, Toledo, which I've been told was barren of talent and had coach in Tim Beckman, who I've been told was a dunce, 87.5 percent of its conference games. I'm pretty impressed.
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I should be charging for this.Nice try @ spin you popped off Toledo had all this talent - Not I,so you've been doing the telling.Simply pointed out their roster was not nearly as resounding as you made it out to be unlike NIU or even CMUs.And Campell lost many starters from that team also.Leading rushers Adonis Thomas(1071yds) & Morgan Williams(671yds),leading receivers WR Eric Page(1152yds) who also had 860 yds as a returner and WRKenny Stafford.Leading tacklerr Desmond Marrow(83 tackles)Diaunte Morrow(63 tackles)Terrel Anderson (54 tackles) and leading kicker Ryan casano (96pts).Rockets lost 6 offensive and 7 defensive starters total from 2011. BSU had better teams those 1st 2 yrs that you thought to pass off a swiss cheese again who actually had a better records, reread those posts I'm not chewing my cud twice - try and remember it kinda help things along.Nice spin on Beckman also,who referred to him as a dunce?I'll wait.......but if you can't admit what a dumpster fire he left the Illini in - then like Elvis you've left the building.Try visiting their team boards and espousing his virtues.And i have no Idea why your caterwauling on about a guy who was propped up repeatedly who should have been shown the door after opening up his tenure with 4 straght losses(not 9 yrs later) to a rival.One that both previous and succeeding coaches had no problem with.You can look it up - i recommend it
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Yeah, you found the sole exception.
Pretty much proves my point.
Been hearing rumors that UT wants to pony up for Urban.
He'd be a whale of a catch... for maybe 3-4 seasons before he burns out again.
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Been hearing rumors that UT wants to pony up for Urban.
He'd be a whale of a catch... for maybe 3-4 seasons before he burns out again.
Fans talk a lot. Fans were convinced Texas was hiring Saban 7 years ago.
And yeah, IF anyone that has any say in the matter at Texas is actually considering Urban, then they'd know it's only for a few years. Just gotta decide if it's worth it and have a solid replacement plan already in place.
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I should be charging for this.Nice try @ spin you popped off Toledo had all this talent - Not I,so you've been doing the telling.Simply pointed out their roster was not nearly as resounding as you made it out to be unlike NIU or even CMUs.And Campell lost many starters from that team also.Leading rushers Adonis Thomas(1071yds) & Morgan Williams(671yds),leading receivers WR Eric Page(1152yds) who also had 860 yds as a returner and WRKenny Stafford.Leading tacklerr Desmond Marrow(83 tackles)Diaunte Morrow(63 tackles)Terrel Anderson (54 tackles) and leading kicker Ryan casano (96pts).Rockets lost 6 offensive and 7 defensive starters total from 2011. BSU had better teams those 1st 2 yrs that you thought to pass off a swiss cheese again who actually had a better records, reread those posts I'm not chewing my cud twice - try and remember it kinda help things along.Nice spin on Beckman also,who referred to him as a dunce?I'll wait.......but if you can't admit what a dumpster fire he left the Illini in - then like Elvis you've left the building.Try visiting their team boards and espousing his virtues.And i have no Idea why your caterwauling on about a guy who was propped up repeatedly who should have been shown the door after opening up his tenure with 4 straght losses(not 9 yrs later) to a rival.One that both previous and succeeding coaches had no problem with.You can look it up - i recommend it
Charging me? This is speed bag work, keeps me limber. Just out here sharing the MAC knowledge.
Never said it was resounding. Said it was better than the results.
You're right they lost some pieces. But they also had some. He inherited a starting QB, now third on the program's all-time passing list. He inherited the No. 3 rusher on that team, a kid who had almost 500 yards. The next two years, he put up 2,600 yards and he stuck on the edges of NFL rosters for six years. He got back the No. 2 WR from the 2011 team, that guy had seasons of 1,113 and 840 yards the next two years is is sixth on the Toledo all-time list in catches, yards, TDs. He also inherited a 6-foot-4 receiver who redshirted Beckman's last year. That young man had 960 yards as a RS freshman and is top-5 in program history in yards, TDs, catches. So he inherited some dudes.
I also never said those Ball State teams were bad. They were good. But they had the same record in 2012 because Toledo couldn't beat them in Toledo. And in 2013, Toledo could've had at least the same record, but it lost head to head again, and then lost to a 4-7 Akron team (Toledo also scheduled better in the non-conference, taking two more understandable losses).
You're right that Beckman left Illioins a dumpster fire. He did that by getting fired a week before the season. On the field, he had them in OK enough shape that they managed to not have the bottom fall out with the interim coach (then it fell out the next year). He handed Matt a 9-4 team with young talent, and Matt maintained, breaking through to a degree his last year, even if it didn't mean a trip to Detroit.
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Charging me? This is speed bag work, keeps me limber. Just out here sharing the MAC knowledge. That's a strange definition there of,is this what you call that Halloween Thesis
Never said it was resounding. Said it was better than the results.
No it isn't given the weight of evidence,a mantra you keep repeating,rather than admit the muff(football wise)
You're right they lost some pieces.
Some pieces,Seriously Clark?
-The Rockets lost 2-4yr starters on the O-Line.6-7 304 lb left tackle Mike VanDerMeulen and 6-5,301 lb right tackle John Morookian.VanDerMeulen was 1st team All-MAC.
-Also RBs Thomas & Williams were 4th & 12th in Rushing yards in a 13 team Conf.Thomas was also 2nd in yds per Att.@ 6.3 per.
-WR Eric Page was 2nd in receptions and 3rd in rec yds,2nd in punt return yds 1st Team All-MAC as a WR,KO & Punt retun specialist.
-Ryan Casano was 1st in extra pts , 2nd in field goal %,7th in MAC scoring.
-Already mentioned DB Marrow 8th in Conf.in tackles and 1st team All-MAC DB
So you see reality exists,MC never had them as HC and was swinging from his heels and you were braying that they couldn't beat a team that had as good or better records when they1st faced off.
I also never said those Ball State teams were bad. They were good.
Well stating he(MC) couldn't even beat Ball St the 1st 2 times they played(or sum such) doesn't exactly lend itself to that sentiment
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What features make you think a coach is going to be good?
Obviously, winning is one. I'm thinking about a coach for an FCS team, or lower ranked FBS team (Vandy) and you see something that makes you think he's likely to succeed at the next level.
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Being solid,consistent and steady improvement in all aspects,teaching X&Os,fundamantals,techniques,mechanics.Of course recruitng other good coaches and players precede that
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As a fan watching on TV, is that assessible?
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By the W/L column I'd imagine
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What features make you think a coach is going to be good?
Obviously, winning is one. I'm thinking about a coach for an FCS team, or lower ranked FBS team (Vandy) and you see something that makes you think he's likely to succeed at the next level.
I think there are a couple of things you want to see:
- He recruits above the team's historical level. So much of this game comes down to recruiting, and while helmets somewhat "self-recruit", having someone who is a proven strong recruiter always helps.
- Someone who shows player development. Not just that they've come in and taken someone else's players and the team got better, because that could be X&O coaching and scheme. More that over a 4-5 year period, the players they have show growth and as upperclassmen are "playing above their recruiting rating" so to speak. I've seen a lot of coaches [Danny Hope is an example] that bring in players that flash as freshmen but then by the time they're seniors they haven't really changed or improved at all.
- Obviously W/L is huge. But it's more than just raw record. You want a coach that can motivate their team to not slip up in the games they should easily win, and at least occasionally can steal wins from teams they should have no chance beating. This is partly X&O stuff, but is also partly team culture and people management.
Those would be important to me as an AD. One of the biggest problems, of course, is #2. If you wait until an up-and-comer at a lower program gets to his 5th season, he'd often be snapped up by another program... So often you don't have an opportunity to get as much data as you'd really like to make the decision.
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I think there are a couple of things you want to see:
- He recruits above the team's historical level. So much of this game comes down to recruiting, and while helmets somewhat "self-recruit", having someone who is a proven strong recruiter always helps.
- Someone who shows player development. Not just that they've come in and taken someone else's players and the team got better, because that could be X&O coaching and scheme. More that over a 4-5 year period, the players they have show growth and as upperclassmen are "playing above their recruiting rating" so to speak. I've seen a lot of coaches [Danny Hope is an example] that bring in players that flash as freshmen but then by the time they're seniors they haven't really changed or improved at all.
- Obviously W/L is huge. But it's more than just raw record. You want a coach that can motivate their team to not slip up in the games they should easily win, and at least occasionally can steal wins from teams they should have no chance beating. This is partly X&O stuff, but is also partly team culture and people management.
Those would be important to me as an AD. One of the biggest problems, of course, is #2. If you wait until an up-and-comer at a lower program gets to his 5th season, he'd often be snapped up by another program... So often you don't have an opportunity to get as much data as you'd really like to make the decision.
Frank Beamer is a shining example of achieving and coalescing all three of these factors. And credit VT for showering him with the appreciation he deserved.
As for Number 1, I think it's a big sign of maturity for a coach who can recruit to still realize they have to then turn around and develop players. Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian (especially ten years ago) we're prime examples of leaning everything on their recruiting. So much of their roster never developed, position by position.
Another, smaller factor (3.5?) is a coach whose ego isn't too big (like Kiffin's) to realize their own limitations and in turn have the humility to give control elsewhere, like an assistant who is better suited. I see this with Herm Edwards at ASU. I also saw this with Les Miles at LSU, giving up control of the offense (most of the time). However, I think factor 3.5 is something a coach matures into rather than comes to the table with. Even Kiffin and Sark seem more OK with moving decisions around to other entrusted folk these days. Beamer eventually let Bud Foster do most anything he wanted with the Hokies D. However, Tressel is a good counter example of a guy who demanded utmost control over everything (even how the stadium scoreboard was operated) but it was all OK because he singlehandedly excelled at taking responsibility for the three above factors, especially factors 2 & 3. Dude could get his boys focused.
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As for Number 1, I think it's a big sign of maturity for a coach who can recruit to still realize they have to then turn around and develop players. Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian (especially ten years ago) we're prime examples of leaning everything on their recruiting. So much of their roster never developed, position by position.
Thinking more about it, I wonder how much of #1 and #2 are almost mutually exclusive.
I think a lot of recruiting is salesmanship, and salesmanship has a certain level of bullshit associated with it. Developing players is much more nuts & bolts teaching and doing, where bullshit doesn't fly.
Shifting to basketball, I think of a guy like Matt Painter. Dude has a hell of an eye for talent, and is an absolute superstar at developing players and developing schemes to work around his players' skill sets. Has trouble recruiting because he's honest, forthright, and will tell you exactly what he sees [even if it's not something you want to hear]. Compare that to Juwan Howard, for example, who came into Michigan and started winning recruiting battles despite having absolutely zero college coaching experience and no head coaching experience at any level, because he can sell the NBA angle. He has proven nothing about getting his recruits to the league, because he has no track record.
Now, that's not to say Juwan Howard isn't a great coach; the jury is still out on that. But he hasn't yet shown that he can do #2. He knows what the NBA wants, sure. Does he know how to teach his players to get there (and hopefully play good team basketball and show up in wins in the conference as well)? We don't know.
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Matt Painter is like Greg Gard to me. They are like their teachers too.
Gard ID's talent really early, spends a year cultivating the relationship, and then the kids blow up and end up elsewhere. It's very frustrating. But as for development, he rocks it.
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Bill Snyder? Great coach? Or very good coach? Or perhaps would have been epic at a name program?
What about a coach with a "gimmick" at an FCS program that works?
Conversely, what about a decent enough coach who lands at a top program where he can recruit lights out but never quite climbs the final mountain?
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Matt Painter is like Greg Gard to me. They are like their teachers too.
Gard ID's talent really early, spends a year cultivating the relationship, and then the kids blow up and end up elsewhere. It's very frustrating. But as for development, he rocks it.
Yep. The joke is that Izzo just sits around eating Funyuns and drinking Mountain Dew waiting to see the top-tier kids Painter wants, and then goes in at the last second and suddenly they're MSU leans.
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Thinking more about it, I wonder how much of #1 and #2 are almost mutually exclusive.
I think a lot of recruiting is salesmanship, and salesmanship has a certain level of bullshit associated with it. Developing players is much more nuts & bolts teaching and doing, where bullshit doesn't fly.
Shifting to basketball, I think of a guy like Matt Painter. Dude has a hell of an eye for talent, and is an absolute superstar at developing players and developing schemes to work around his players' skill sets. Has trouble recruiting because he's honest, forthright, and will tell you exactly what he sees [even if it's not something you want to hear]. Compare that to Juwan Howard, for example, who came into Michigan and started winning recruiting battles despite having absolutely zero college coaching experience and no head coaching experience at any level, because he can sell the NBA angle. He has proven nothing about getting his recruits to the league, because he has no track record.
Now, that's not to say Juwan Howard isn't a great coach; the jury is still out on that. But he hasn't yet shown that he can do #2. He knows what the NBA wants, sure. Does he know how to teach his players to get there (and hopefully play good team basketball and show up in wins in the conference as well)? We don't know.
To look at another exclusivity between #1 and #2, there's this logic that a grand developer of talent (or master schemer) that does well at a place like Texas Tech, Washington State, Kansas State, Northwestern, would explode at a place that recruits itself like Miami or USC. How many times have we heard "C'mon, he won at Washington State - imagine what he'd do with the talent Miami gets!" But in thinking about it for about 25 years of watching college football, I've come around to realizing it's not that simple.
We really underrate what it takes to socially manage some of the big personalities that Ohio State and Alabama land. It takes a rare type that can mesh big personalities into a workable system despite how that coach might want to differently scheme or differently develop talent. Conversely, Washington State or Kansas St signees go to Pullman or the Little Apple with little other options in mind, and knowing they'll need time in the weight room and under a position coach before they put a uniform on. Mike Leach going to Miami wouldn't be used to the amount of player pushback he'd get from personalities like Kellen Winslow wanting more early playing time and willingly and effectively voicing his complaint through media backchannels.
There's a lot to say about this, but how many times have we seen a program "do it right" in slowing building a winner with player development and consistent winning which parlays into better recruiting classes, only for those 4 star laden classes to fall apart two seasons in. Examples: Iowa's 2005 or 2006 signing class; Michigan State's monster 2016 signing class.
In short, the logic doesn't work that developing signing classes of three stars into a consistent top 25 program translates by the same equivalency into signing the Ohio State level of 4/5 star players and by the same coaching approach assuring a seasonal top 5 contender. Signing 4/5 stars requires a different (or added) type of coaching to keep things together.
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What features make you think a coach is going to be good?
Obviously, winning is one. I'm thinking about a coach for an FCS team, or lower ranked FBS team (Vandy) and you see something that makes you think he's likely to succeed at the next level.
This takes me back to my college days. Myself and another person were handed some mid-level roles. Everything we knew pointed to my counterpart at worst being competent and guiding the people working under us. That person arrived to start the job, suddenly had other priorities and did the bare minimum.
You just don't know how someone will fit in a job and adapt to a role until they're in it.
I look for different positives. What can a coach do? Are they well rounded? Can they fill out the staff with others that can help? And I know no matter what I know, the outcome will look different. A MAC developer might not be a B1G developer. I think scheme travels, but it's not always enough.
Take Paul Chryst. The man barely recruited as UW OC and sometimes has the personality of wet paper. He's now recruiting about UW's historical level. He hired one so-so DC at Pitt and then one kinda underrated one, then nailed three hires in a row. In the end, you guess at certain skills and hope some of the soft skills deliver.
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Yeah, I agree that a coach that does relatively well with 2-3 star players might not excel with 4-5 star personalities.
A thing I saw Mark Richt try was to hire troubled talented players out of HS thinking he could fix them. With few exceptions, they could not be fixed, they either left, were kicked off, were arrested and kicked off, or poisoned the locker room. A huge chance I see with Smart is MANY fewer off season "issues". I think he is demanding not only talent but also character (or perhaps the Athens police have gotten lax).
It used to be a routine fear in August as to which players were about to be suspended.
So, in other words, duh, this is a complex issue that even highly paid ADs don't manage all that well except hit or miss.
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We picked up some fresh grouper from a farmer's market yesterday and will cook it tonight. Blackened in a cast iron skillet. Fingerling potatoes and some fresh green beans.
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Some pretty good games today, which is a something considering where we were a few months back.
I saw some stat on baseball that they had over 8,000 tests of late, none positive. They've done a very credible job with this.
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Yeah, I agree that a coach that does relatively well with 2-3 star players might not excel with 4-5 star personalities.
A thing I saw Mark Richt try was to hire troubled talented players out of HS thinking he could fix them. With few exceptions, they could not be fixed, they either left, were kicked off, were arrested and kicked off, or poisoned the locker room. A huge chance I see with Smart is MANY fewer off season "issues". I think he is demanding not only talent but also character (or perhaps the Athens police have gotten lax).
It used to be a routine fear in August as to which players were about to be suspended.
So, in other words, duh, this is a complex issue that even highly paid ADs don't manage all that well except hit or miss.
Not to be too cynical, but I think that might be a case of demanding less of them character-wise, not more. Now that admittedly might've been one of Richt's flaws coaching at that level, i.e., holing the good kids more accountable instead of slap on the wrist football accountable.
But them's the breaks. I do think IDing and developing the right 2-3 star can be different than developing many 4-5 stars, sometimes it's the same. Sometimes not.
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But them's the breaks. I do think IDing and developing the right 2-3 star can be different than developing many 4-5 stars, sometimes it's the same. Sometimes not.
Off the top of my head this is something that Mark Dantonio did well @ MSU,Chryst in Madison and Fleck for the Goophs
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beautiful October day here
full sun, a breeze and 76 degrees
therefore I'll be playing golf - won't be too many more days like this one
I have a wedding reception to attend this evening so won't be watching much football
I'd like to watch the Horns and Sooners, but........
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Not to be too cynical, but I think that might be a case of demanding less of them character-wise, not more. Now that admittedly might've been one of Richt's flaws coaching at that level, i.e., holing the good kids more accountable instead of slap on the wrist football accountable.
Their problems usually were with the Athens PD, not the coaches.
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beautiful October day here,full sun, a breeze and 76 degrees
Same-same,couldn't ask for a nicer day
therefore I'll be playing golf - won't be too many more days like this one
Would go fishing but everyone's pulling their boats,plus I'll be staying at my sisters as she had hip replacement last week.Her sons live out of state but I can still sip Beam/Yuengling and watch CFB
I have a wedding reception to attend this evening so won't be watching much football
2 yrs ago I attended an October Wedding and Bride/Groom made sure TVs were off as to focus on their special day.It'll was the longest Night of my life not knowing many there and the supposed Filet Mignon smacked of ASS.I didn't tell the Groom's Mother as I didn't want to ruin their special day
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When did Kiffin get fat?
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Lazy rainy day with no softball games for my daughter. I have a day to watch football and of course WVU is off. Probably watch UGA-UT later and then some of Clemson-Miami.
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When did Kiffin get fat?
Financially a while back
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He has kinda been pushing maximum density for a while now. Was bound to happen.
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30,000 in the stands at A&M / Florida game in College Station
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30,000 in the stands at A&M / Florida game in College Station
Feels like almost an actual stadium experience
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V-ball tourney most of afternoon. Hot gyms suck.
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Feels like almost an actual stadium experience
Welcome back!
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Welcome back!
Hey we all need a vacation sometimes ;)
Florida's tight end is a problem
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Interesting way to try and make an atmosphere, and a little money.
https://shop.fancutouts.com/products/wisconsin-bucky-boards?variant=36570003964057
I'm not doing it... But imagine a lot of fans will want their picture on some bench in the empty stadium.
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Hey we all need a vacation sometimes ;)
Florida's tight end is a problem
I have it on, but have not looked at it yet.
Might try to make a Gator game sometime, now that I'm down here. Board meeting maybe.
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I have it on, but have not looked at it yet.
Might try to make a Gator game sometime, now that I'm down here. Board meeting maybe.
Is that what you are closest too?
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Texas off to another awful start. Fumbles on first run of game. INT on next drive, though fortunately called back by Sooners' defensive hold. Down 10-0. Good news for Longhorns is Oklahoma's tendency to fall apart in the fourth quarter.
Meanwhile, Florida Gators up 14-7 @ Texas A&M. For all the deserved praise for Kyle Pitts, Kadarius Toney's speed and open field elusiveness is Florida's long awaited second coming of Percy Harvin. Just caught the TD. Dude is a gamebreaker.
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https://twitter.com/TheMichaelGrey/status/1314946662582743040?s=19 (https://twitter.com/TheMichaelGrey/status/1314946662582743040?s=19)
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Texas off to another awful start. Fumbles on first run of game. INT on next drive, though fortunately called back by Sooners' defensive hold. Down 10-0. Good news for Longhorns is Oklahoma's tendency to fall apart in the fourth quarter.
Meanwhile, Florida Gators up 14-7 @ Texas A&M. For all the deserved praise for Kyle Pitts, Kadarius Toney's speed and open field elusiveness is Florida's long awaited second coming of Percy Harvin. Just caught the TD. Dude is a gamebreaker.
They do get a fortunate pick and are in great position to score. Rattler for OU is not shy about throwing to the other team
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Rattler with another turnover, Texas in business again
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Rattler with another turnover, Texas in business again
Along with the high scores, lofty passing yards, and vaporous defense, is part of 'twelving it' also careless QB play, lack of ball security, and drive killing penalties? No discipline or situational awareness is so far characterizing the first half of this Red River Shoot Out.
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Hey we all need a vacation sometimes ;)
Florida's tight end is a problem
Did the County put the Public Services back to Work or did you go out of town defending protesters? :cool2:
I didn't even notice until I checked for a new SOC Thread that you beat me to
Meanwhile Sooner/Horns are in the Christmas spirit of giving
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Along with the high scores, lofty passing yards, and vaporous defense, is part of 'twelving it' also careless QB play, lack of ball security, and drive killing penalties? No discipline or situational awareness is so far characterizing the first half of this Red River Shoot Out.
Yeah isn't really great football. Texas' QB in particular seems to hold onto the ball forever
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I'm probably closest to Miami, but... not a chance.
USF would be easy.
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Did the County put the Public Services back to Work or did you go out of town defending protesters? :cool2:
I didn't even notice until I checked for a new SOC Thread that you beat me to
Meanwhile Sooner/Horns are in the Christmas spirit of giving
I hold my silent protest by refusing to go to wear pants during my virtual court hearings. Fighting the power.
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A&M about to score again, maybe, some time out weirdness.
Five drives by both teams and 5 TDs.
Add another ending with FG.
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What in the wide,wide world of sports is going on?!5 min ago I posted it was goose eggs,now 17 all,jeebis
Nope I got a bad feed or read,goose eggs :-[
Man is CBS screwed up front page had the score at 0-0 check actual scoreboard and it's 17-17.They've had nothing but time with COVID,I'm deep sixing them
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OU with a new quarterback
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And Sam with a new avatar
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And Sam with a new avatar
Pride of the Buckeyes and Bungles. Watching Burrow get murdered by his offensive line
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Maybe he needs an agent then the Horns help them out more
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Great punt,great return
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This UF/A&M game is dangerously close to reaching OAM's "not football" threshold.
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This UF/A&M game is dangerously close to reaching to OAM's "not football" threshold.
Man what happened to Florida's defense?
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Aggie defender injures himself celebrating a sack
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BTW LSU is tied with Mizzou at 38-38 and I think Bo Pelini might get run out of Baton Rouge on a rail
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After fussing earlier this week about the lack of player development at Texas, all these costly, ill-timed penalties against Oklahoma really is a new low under Tom Herman. The punter trying to start a fight with Oklahoma's KR. The Sr OL's offsides penalty knocking Texas out of FG range right before the half. 8 penalties for 71 yds so far, and it's getting worse.
How many coaching staffs come in and clean up penalties right away? Conversely, it's such a huge red flag when penalties worsen during a coaching tenure because of how noticeably costly penalties are, and thus worth actively addressing by even the most clueless of coaching staffs.
Over 50 4/5 star recruits across the Longhorn's roster, yet by the week Texas is this season's mentally weakest team.
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Whoot hell of a run by Spiller for the Aggies as they take the lead on the Gators
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Gators back on top. 6 minutes and Aggies need a touchdown
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Gators in real trouble now
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Gators have no D.
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Texas back within spitting distance
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Wow LSU. Just... Wow.
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Wow LSU. Just... Wow.
(https://i.imgur.com/vxwYElD.png)
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Gators in real trouble now
Aggies beating #4 Gators is Jimbo's biggest win since Jameis QBed. About time Jimbo finally started earning his $7.5M salary.
Wow LSU. Just... Wow.
Elsewhere, I knew LSU wasn't their usual top 5 or 10 this season, but what the heck? Second loss this season to a mid-shelf conference opponent.
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Gotta say for my money Gus and Klatt are the only team that I actually want to hear call a game these days. Wish they could do the noon game then shuttle to the night game
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overtime city
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So cool to have CFB back. Some great games already today.
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they just announced this is only the 2nd time OU and UT have gone to overtime
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Well that clip about 2 year old Sam Ehlinger pretending to be Chris Simms makes me feel awfully old
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Well that clip about 2 year old Sam Ehlinger pretending to be Chris Simms makes me feel awfully old
Haha yeah I was a senior in HS when he made that clip
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2OT it is.
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Man this has been a hell of a noon slate
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What a wild run by Elhinger.
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JFC
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Honestly both teams here should get the L
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Tough break for the Longhorns.
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Finally
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When did Tennessee get good again?
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When did Tennessee get good again?
Very surprised - didn't think they could score on Georgia
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Very surprised - didn't think they could score on Georgia
The “water bottle” drive. What a dumb ass.
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On review the vols are on pace for fewer than 300 yards so maybe a bit of smoke and mirrors
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Gators have no D.
I feel like an OU fan.
No team is truly good if their defense is a sieve.
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I have a great idea. The Dawgs need to run the ball up the middle for the 41st straight time on 1st down. Guaranteed this time UGA will pick up more than 2 yards into a 9 man front because the Vols will never be expecting that.
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These offenses have turned into Rutgers
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Gotta say for my money Gus and Klatt are the only team that I actually want to hear call a game these days. Wish they could do the noon game then shuttle to the night game
Ha! a couple posters earlier in the week held just as much regard only opposite of yours....and mine
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37-21. Order has been restored by, shockingly, not running up the middle on 1st down. Who could have ever seen that coming?
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Anybody catch the mother of all bad calls vs K-State on that call incomplete by the goal line?Seriously some one should lose their job.Have all that technology,time and equipment and they don't either have guts or the good sense to call the obvious.SMDH
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Arky up 28-27 on Auburn with 2:23 to go.
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Weird ending in Auburn. The Tigers were trying to clock the ball to get in position for a GW FG. Nix fumbled the snap and hurriedly picked up the ball and spiked it, but he spiked it backwards.
The refs threw a flag and called intentional grounding because once the snap was fumbled the spike was off. Arkansas coaches argued if the spike was off then Nix spiking it behind him was actually a fumble that Arky recovered. Refs reviewed but upheld the intentional grounding call. Auburn ends up kicking the GW FG. I think Arky had an argument. The announcers did too.
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Take your word for it after what I saw - unbelievable.At least the blown call didn't cost KSU the game - though it could have
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The refs threw a flag and called intentional grounding because once the snap was fumbled the spike was off. Arkansas coaches argued if the spike was off then Nix spiking it behind him was actually a fumble that Arky recovered. Refs reviewed but upheld the intentional grounding call. Auburn ends up kicking the GW FG. I think Arky had an argument. The announcers did too.
I think what didn’t help Arkansas was whether either side bothered recovering the fumble after Nix’s backward pass. Seemed like the ball rolled around and settled until picked up by a ref on whistling the play dead. Which defaulted the refs to instead call grounding on Nix. Or was the play whistled dead while ball was still live and in process of being recovered? Not sure I saw that right. Weird ending indeed. And another sloppy showing by Mahlzan and Auburn.
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I saw a ref whistling the play dead as an INC pass waving his arms when the ball was rolling about.
At that point, it was a done deal, weird play.
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I think what didn’t help Arkansas was whether either side bothered recovering the fumble after Nix’s backward pass. Seemed like the ball rolled around and settled until picked up by a ref on whistling the play dead. Which defaulted the refs to instead call grounding on Nix. Or was the play whistled dead while ball was still live and in process of being recovered? Not sure I saw that right. Weird ending indeed. And another sloppy showing by Mahlzan and Auburn.
I’d have to see it again. I thought the refs finally blew it dead as an Arkansas player picked it up but I could be wrong. They definitely let it roll around a second or two before blowing the play dead. Either way, Arkansas has a beef with it how it ended. The play should not have been blown dead.
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I definitely saw a ref coming in from the top of the screen waving his arms dead ball, which is why the players eased up.
One that happens, I think it's not reversible.
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Canes not showing much resistance, but FSU-ND might be a game
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My tv is out with rain
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Ole Miss just went 11 plays, 75 yards all on the ground to retake the lead on Bama 21-14. Don’t know I’ve ever seen such a methodical drive on a Saban defense.
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Ole Miss just went 11 plays, 75 yards all on the ground to retake the lead on Bama 21-14. Don’t know I’ve ever seen such a methodical drive on a Saban defense.
Turning that game on now - Ole Miss already has over 300 yards, about equally rushing and passing. That's a bad omen for Bama.
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Alabama is all O, no D. UGA might take them to the cleaners.
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I can feel Nick Saban's frustration from here
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Mixed results at vball. My 5th6th team won the season end tournament, we had a fire alarm go off during 1st set added some drama.
Then the 3rd4th went down in grueling fashion, lots of tears. Amazing how many ridiculous plays happen at their age. Everybody had a big smile once we got them some ice cream for their labors. 7 matches in 8 hrs today, looks like I missed some good ones.
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Bama and Ole Miss tied at 35 with 6:00 left in the third. Both teams with over 460 yards of offense.
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Bama and Ole Miss tied at 42. It isn’t just that Ole Miss is moving the ball, it’s that they are just running it right at Bama.
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Meanwhile the Pirate with a lonely deuce on the scoreboard. Going out on a limb and guess Miss St has last lost w 2 points in that 2008 3-2 loss to Auburn.
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It took the Pirate a few seasons to get going at Wazzu, fwiw.
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Bama finally forces a FG. 49-45 with 7:00 to go.
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https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/1315032930687873026?s=19
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Weird ending in Auburn. The Tigers were trying to clock the ball to get in position for a GW FG. Nix fumbled the snap and hurriedly picked up the ball and spiked it, but he spiked it backwards.
The refs threw a flag and called intentional grounding because once the snap was fumbled the spike was off. Arkansas coaches argued if the spike was off then Nix spiking it behind him was actually a fumble that Arky recovered. Refs reviewed but upheld the intentional grounding call. Auburn ends up kicking the GW FG. I think Arky had an argument. The announcers did too.
Arkansas got screwed.
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The Southeaster Twelve Conference looked really weird.
I lost TV due to the storms around 7 PM and it never came back at all. And, during the UGA game some gal kept interrupting key moments about some maybe tornado 50 miles south of the city that never materialized.
It was raining so there were clouds, but this is by far the longest TV has been out with DirectV here.
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https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/1315032930687873026?s=19
Ya my Brother,nephew and I cracked up.It was like she set the camera man up.Looking removed but completely aware of the camera focus then bam
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Bama and Ole Miss tied at 35 with 6:00 left in the third. Both teams with over 460 yards of offense.
twelving
12ing
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OU/UT fans were definitely not 6ing
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I didn't watch any football yesterday, but the round on the golf course was awesome. Hit the ball well and the foliage was pretty as a picture
wedding reception wasn't terrible - bride seemed happy I attended
successful Saturday
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I was disappointed not to be able to watch the night games, especially the Bama game. But, I did go to bed early and read a bit and then slept well, so all's good.
UGA is evidently a second half team.
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We were talking about coaching hires earlier, and obviously we are only three games in so a lot of things can do a lot of directions, but man did the Arkansas hire look bad when it happened, and man does it look a lot better now.
And the weird part is that it probably shouldn’t have been a good hire but football is just like that sometimes.
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We were talking about coaching hires earlier, and obviously we are only three games in so a lot of things can do a lot of directions, but man did the Arkansas hire look bad when it happened, and man does it look a lot better now.
And the weird part is that it probably shouldn’t have been a good hire but football is just like that sometimes.
I've been thinking about that too and think maybe the other way. Hires tend to be guys who have won something at lower levels or someone who fields a whiz bang offense or defense as a coordinator. But being a head coach is more about your ability to recruit and organize the team more than what whiz bang plays you bring. An oline coach who already is already up to speed about organizing guys and if he's a great recruiter...well, there ya go.
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I've been thinking about that too and think maybe the other way. Hires tend to be guys who have won something at lower levels or someone who fields a whiz bang offense or defense as a coordinator. But being a head coach is more about your ability to recruit and organize the team more than what whiz bang plays you bring. An oline coach who already is already up to speed about organizing guys and if he's a great recruiter...well, there ya go.
Another interesting case comes with PJ at Minnesota. When he was at Western Michigan, he hired good scheme guys and he basically recruited like a lower end Big Ten team. They had a couple of years where they were decent but maybe not as good as the talent they were bringing in and then finally fully out talented the conference.
since he got to Minnesota, he hasn’t really recruited all that well. I think they’ve brought in maybe three 4 stars total. But he has identified and developed super well. So it’s another reminder that you sometimes just don’t know about someone until they actually get the job and are dealing with those circumstances.
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Arkansas has something of a team now, competitive, not bizarrely bad, even with about the same talent.
I saw that at UNC as well, a team that didn't tackle, seemed frail on defense, and now they are ranked pretty high, about the same talent aside from QB.
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So, Clemson looks to be Clemson. I'm pretty sure Ohio State is at least close to that caliber, the rankings don't show that yet. UNC is probably a decent team, but Top Five? Ohio State would be a 14 point favorite over UNC I suspect.
What to say about Alabama? Can they find a defense somewhere? That was Ole Miss, and the preceding weeks had shown weakness as well, this is not your standard Bama team. We're about to find out Saturday evening I think.
Is anyone sold on Oklahoma State?
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So we had some all-time high score, high total yardage games (non-OT) across a couple conferences yesterday. Our sample size is small, but in addition to of course this following a general trend to more scoring and yards, what role has CV and the manner at which this season has been assembled played in leading to a growing number of video game box scores?
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I would have thought offenses would have been behind defenses due to COVID stuff.
Not.
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So we had some all-time high score, high total yardage games (non-OT) across a couple conferences yesterday. Our sample size is small, but in addition to of course this following a general trend to more scoring and yards, what role has CV and the manner at which this season has been assembled played in leading to a growing number of video game box scores?
it's called twelving
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I would have thought offenses would have been behind defenses due to COVID stuff.
Not.
Nah, offense is glorofied 7 on 7 now. The offenses are always ahead of the defenses now, and this has just magnified that. I thought maybe, due to lack of hitting, you'd see more fumbles due to guys not being ready for real contact. Not sure if the stats bear that out.
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defensive players don't hit hard enough to force fumbles
don't get practise time and afraid of ejections
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When you see SEC scores like last week, you know something has changed.
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Maybe contact in practice is limited?
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that's my guess
hopefully Frost is paying attention
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Saint Nick thinks Ole Miss might have had Bama's defensive signals.
Kitten denies this, of course.
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They withheld the pre-snap footage.
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When you see SEC scores like last week, you know something has changed.
Sure. But what exactly, that's deeply unclear.
It's funny, but to cross thread for half a moment, sports taught me a great deal of how to consume pandemic news. Sports fans are very quick to assign reasons to thing that happen in games and big moment, when the answer is often, that's just how it happened. It's been the same way with the news of different spread. People have been quick to assign reasons to things happening here vs. there (often self-serving ones) and sometimes it's a case that the thing just hasn't happened at that place yet.
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The Big Ten Conference announced on Monday morning that Nebraska's matchup with Iowa will be played on Friday, Nov. 27 in Iowa City. Kickoff time will be announced at a later date and the game will be televised by FOX or FS1.
The Big Ten West rivals have met on Black Friday each year since the Huskers joined the Big Ten and the 2020 matchup will mark the 10th straight season Nebraska and Iowa have squared off on the day after Thanksgiving. Overall, this will mark the 31st straight season Nebraska has played on Black Friday, dating back to the 1990 season. In addition to 10 matchups with Iowa, the Huskers played Colorado for 15 straight seasons from 1996 to 2010, and met Oklahoma six consecutive years from 1990 to 1995.
Monday's announcement was part of several special date games and kickoff time and television announcements by the Big Ten. The Big Ten's announcement of Week 1 television and kickoff times included the previously announced Husker game at Ohio State, which will be televised nationally on FOX, with kickoff set for 11 a.m. CDT. Start times and television information for the remainder of Nebraska's 2020 games will be announced six to 12 days in advance of kickoff.
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The Big Ten Conference announced on Monday morning that Nebraska's matchup with Iowa will be played on Friday, Nov. 27 in Iowa City. Kickoff time will be announced at a later date and the game will be televised by FOX or FS1.
The Big Ten West rivals have met on Black Friday each year since the Huskers joined the Big Ten and the 2020 matchup will mark the 10th straight season Nebraska and Iowa have squared off on the day after Thanksgiving. Overall, this will mark the 31st straight season Nebraska has played on Black Friday, dating back to the 1990 season. In addition to 10 matchups with Iowa, the Huskers played Colorado for 15 straight seasons from 1996 to 2010, and met Oklahoma six consecutive years from 1990 to 1995.
Monday's announcement was part of several special date games and kickoff time and television announcements by the Big Ten. The Big Ten's announcement of Week 1 television and kickoff times included the previously announced Husker game at Ohio State, which will be televised nationally on FOX, with kickoff set for 11 a.m. CDT. Start times and television information for the remainder of Nebraska's 2020 games will be announced six to 12 days in advance of kickoff.
Big Ten football in the snow here we come
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not much better than that
I'll be sitting in my nice warm recliner
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I miss Nebraska-Colorado games.
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Maybe contact in practice is limited?
More like you can't have contact without practice. How many hours of practice time was missed in the Spring and Fall? Tackling drills actually help?! Who'da thunk it?!?
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I miss Nebraska-Colorado games.
Well, we did just get two, albeit in the wrong month. Etc.
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2 more coming in 2023 and 2024
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I miss those games, but miss the Sooners on black friday much more
I'm going to norman next sept
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I miss those games, but miss the Sooners on black friday much more
I'm going to norman next sept
That's why I hope the big 10 dozen screw around with Nebraska Iowa on Black Friday, it feels like a fairly natural replacement there. And maybe the next generation will learn to associate it just like mine did with Nebraskan Colorado and prior generations with Nebraska Oklahoma
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yup, it seems odd to me that Husker fans and ADs have had to push so hard to make this happen
the Big Ten commish past and present should understand traditions have value
the Hawkeye's AD should understand the advantages of playing on Friday to national audiences as opposed to playing Saturday to regional viewers
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Now that we have an updated conference schedule, it's time to once again figure out who has the most difficult schedule in the Big Ten.
1. Nebraska
2. Michigan
3. Maryland
4. Indiana
5. Michigan State
6. Penn State
7. Rutgers
8. Illinois
9. Iowa
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Northwestern
13. Purdue
14. Ohio State
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-toughest-schedules-2020 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-toughest-schedules-2020)
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Weird to me that Ohio State is ranked so low compared to UNC.
Not really. Rankings are silly.
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Now that we have an updated conference schedule, it's time to once again figure out who has the most difficult schedule in the Big Ten.
1. Nebraska
2. Michigan
3. Maryland
4. Indiana
5. Michigan State
6. Penn State
7. Rutgers
8. Illinois
9. Iowa
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Northwestern
13. Purdue
14. Ohio State
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-toughest-schedules-2020 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-toughest-schedules-2020)
OSU doesn't duck a single "helmet" and gets ranked last?
Seems a little fishy to me....
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OSU doesn't have to play OSU
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Nebraska doesn't play Nebraska or Michigan, and they are in the B1G West.
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OSU doesn't have to play OSU
This.
Any schedule that doesn't include Ohio State is going to be immediately easier.
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This is pretty funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgIIHCmyiRY
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Nebraska doesn't play Nebraska or Michigan, and they are in the B1G West.
when's the last time OSU lost to Nebraska or Michigan?
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2011.
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This.
Any schedule that doesn't include Ohio State is going to be immediately easier.
Penn State is the only other team that plays all the Helmets. They don't duck OSU, yet they can't even crack the Top 5.
Yeah, I know. They don't have to play Penn State. And they probably duck the big bad Golden Gophers.
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Nebraska doesn't play Nebraska or Michigan, and they are in the B1G West.
I mean, I think Nebraska would want to play a team the quality of Nebraska.
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Penn State is the only other team that plays all the Helmets. They don't duck OSU, yet they can't even crack the Top 5.
Yeah, I know. They don't have to play Penn State. And they probably duck the big bad Golden Gophers.
It seems like an affect of this smaller schedule.
OSU three hardest games per FPI: PSU, Mich, IU (rated 19th!), Nebraska (rated 39th)
PSU's: OSU, Mich, IU, Nebraska (rated 39th)
Since it's such a small set, that one extra game against the No. 1 team feels like it swings things. UW is probably a bit high, though Nebraska is the sixth hardest game on the schedule. Weird deal for sure.
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As f'up as 2020 is, this could be the year Indiana wins the Big Ten.
I'm half serious.
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2011.
well, I knew about Nebraska
did the Wolvies get you that season as well?
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I mean, I think Nebraska would want to play a team the quality of Nebraska.
Huskers would have a 50/50 chance in that one
not so much vs OSU, Wisconsin, and PSU
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well, I knew about Nebraska
did the Wolvies get you that season as well?
Haha yeah. That was a rough year.
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As f'up as 2020 is, this could be the year Indiana wins the Big Ten.
I'm half serious.
they are trending up
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well, I knew about Nebraska
did the Wolvies get you that season as well?
Yes, as hard as it might be to believe.
The magical Hoke 11 win season, combined with poor Luke Fickel's inability to overcome the insurmountable obstacle of having by far the best roster in the Big Ten.
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poor Luke
name tarnished
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As f'up as 2020 is, this could be the year Indiana wins the Big Ten.
I'm half serious.
Badge, it's a bit early in the day to be into the whiskey...
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Eastern time, bro.
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https://twitter.com/ramzy/status/1316114284863250435?s=20
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Shocking
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Yeow
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typical mouth breathing knuckle dragging football guy
no positive contribution to society
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Florida's game cancelled......for this week
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postponed
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There are 76 teams at the FBS level in college football currently competing. Six SEC defenses rank in the bottom half of those teams in scoring defense. Alabama is currently 44th nationally in points allowed, at 30.3 a game. LSU is tied for 51st, at 32.0. Florida is 58th, at 33.3.
Those three all also rank 53rd or lower in team defense.
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Pinnacle Bank Arena is canceling its Husker football watch party, one day after announcing the event.
Tuesday, PBA announced it would invite fans to watch the Ohio State game on October 24 on the arena’s video boards.
Tom Lorenz, General Manager of Pinnacle Bank Arena, said the event would have had limited attendance, and social distancing and mask guidelines would have been followed.
Following the announcement, the event received a lot of online backlash from critics saying it was irresponsible to have a large indoor event during a pandemic.
Wednesday, Lorenz notified City and local Health Department officials that PBA would not open for the Husker football viewing event on October 24.
“As we’ve learned, the COVID-19 pandemic is unpredictable, and with the current high number of cases and hospitalizations, we reconsidered this event. We have worked with the Health Department to successfully and safely hold other events, and plan to continue that cooperation for future events at PBA."
Tom Lorenz, PBA General Manager
Lincoln Mayor Leirion Gaylor Baird also released a statement following the cancellation fo the event:
“I appreciate and support the decision to cancel this watch event. It’s another example of Tom and his staff at Pinnacle Bank Arena modifying events with a priority for the safety of patrons and performers.”
Lincoln Mayor Leirion Gaylor Baird
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DUH
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Saban has the covid.
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Covid will lose
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Saban has the covid.
Hes on the phone with Trump right now
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Wheels coming loose
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Wheels coming loose
how many coaches does Bama have
surely theres one that can fill in
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I think the question is how many bodies does bama have that can be used as empty vessels for saban's brain? It's ignorant for people to not think that Alabama would already have a contingency plan in place
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Saban has the covid.
That's what giving up 48 points will get ya.
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That's what giving up 48 points will get ya.
Oh no! I’ve been giving it 48 points probably every other week since this pandemic started. I’m screwed!
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That's what giving up 48 points will get ya.
Remember when K had a bad Duke team, and suddenly had a "back issue"?
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I remember. It was a crock.
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can't tarnish that winning percentage
Saban might think the Dawgs have a good chance
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The early betting lines for Big Ten's week one games are out, and Nebraska, which plays at defending conference champion Ohio State, will be the second-biggest underdog of the bunch.
Nebraska is a 21½-point underdog to OSU according to betonline.ag. Only Illinois, which is a 23½-point underdog at Wisconsin, is bigger for the time being.
The Huskers have been a big underdog to the Buckeyes for several seasons now. Ohio State was a 17-point favorite at NU last year. OSU won that game 48-7.
The tightest Big Ten betting lines belong to the Iowa-Purdue game — where the Hawkeyes are a 2½-point favorite, and the Michigan-Minnesota game, where the Gophers are a 2½-point favorite.
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Houston is beating BYU at the half.
COUGAR FIGHT!!!!
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...and BYU wins by 17.
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A great night game, though the day slate is somewhat uninspiring
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What are you cooking Max?
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What are you cooking Max?
Chili. We got the first real frost of the season last night, and I have some leftover brisket, so a pot of chili seems right on target. I need to run to the Mexican grocery store sometime this morning, because my heathen Kroger refuses to stock dried peppers
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Beautiful day here, clear blue skies, fall is in the air, the leaves are just starting to color up some. We will take a walk when the wife wakes up (she sleeps late) and then I'll settle down for the usual.
I have a bunch of shoulder exercises to do each day and that keeps me moving around a bit, and the kid in Texas sent me these exercise bands that I use some on my legs. One exercise seems pretty good for my hamstrings.
We did a two mile walk in the mountains at Kilmer NF and both of us "noticed". I had always wanted to see that forest, it's out of the way, and it's "interesting" I think, but one visit is good. It's not that much different from regular forest. It has some 400 year old eastern poplars that were saved from logging. Very little old growth forest remains east of the Mississippi. The forest we see in the Smokies etc. are new growth, everything is 90-100 years old and a bit different eco system.
We took the Cherohala Skyway, which is pretty, but also is out of the way and doesn't connect much of anything to anything. A lot of bikes in that road as you can do a loop with Tail of the Dragon that way. One guy was on a bicycle. That is pretty brave, and he was young.
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65 degrees here, too warm for chili
last golf tournament of the season, $1 everything to "clean out the coolers"
can't afford to stay sober!
marinating chicken breasts for later
Perhaps the golf tournament will have food following...??
I'll have a schooner and a Charlie Boy on the way to the golf course
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Chili sounds good. But it's going to be 90 here today.
I know it's weird, but I'm making Sauerbratin tomorrow. Not exactly warm eeather food, but I have been craving this. It's been marinating for 6 days now.
Tonight we are having triple tale. The wife picked it up at the farmer's market yesterday. Glad she didn't buy a farmer.
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national dish of Germany
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Going to get an Oriental Rug for the home office today. Kept dragging my feet on this most of year. Will also help dampen sound during my many phone calls.
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national dish of Germany
I'm gonna throw a nice slab of Scotland's National animal into the smoker.
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In NC for a softball tournament. Chilly morning in the 40s. Daughter just finished her first game and got the win as the starting pitcher. Gonna have to watch WVU on the phone today.
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Chili. We got the first real frost of the season last night, and I have some leftover brisket, so a pot of chili seems right on target. I need to run to the Mexican grocery store sometime this morning, because my heathen Kroger refuses to stock dried peppers
Ya it did get frosty last night,I'll be making my 1st batch in a few weeks - with beans of course.And I'll be stopping a Mexican market also for some Anchos.Love to mix some pork in but Cindy doesn't like it.And a 1/2 bottle of Porter
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I'm gonna throw a nice slab of Scotland's National animal into the smoker.
Gopher?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFpm2LR0sGQ
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Gonna smoke pork spares for this evening. We have two soccer games this morning so I'll have to manage around that, but if I get them on the smoker at 1, they'll be ready by 6:30 or so.
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Ya it did get frosty last night,I'll be making my 1st batch in a few weeks - with beans of course.And I'll be stopping a Mexican market also for some Anchos.Love to mix some pork in but Cindy doesn't like it.And a 1/2 bottle of Porter
Man no anchos at the mexican grocery. Not sure why and it's not like I can ask very easily. So I bought some mulatos as well as guajillos so we'll roll with that.
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Ya it did get frosty last night,I'll be making my 1st batch in a few weeks - with beans of course.And I'll be stopping a Mexican market also for some Anchos.Love to mix some pork in but Cindy doesn't like it.And a 1/2 bottle of Porter
That porter should work well in your bean soup.
I like to use Sam Adams Chocolate Bock-- it's in their winter mix pack and it's just not very good as a straight beer, but when used in chili, it's excellent. Since NOBODY drinks them at Christmastime, I always have 4 of them lying around in the back of the fridge throughout the year.
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Man no anchos at the mexican grocery. Not sure why and it's not like I can ask very easily. So I bought some mulatos as well as guajillos so we'll roll with that.
If you can find poblanos, you can smoke them and make your own ancho. Throw some jalapenos in there at the same time, and you've made your own chipotle peppers.
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That porter should work well in your bean soup.
I like to use Sam Adams Chocolate Bock-- it's in their winter mix pack and it's just not very good as a straight beer, but when used in chili, it's excellent. Since NOBODY drinks them at Christmastime, I always have 4 of them lying around in the back of the fridge throughout the year.
I do,as I'm not a fan of Holiday/Chistmas(coriander/cinamon - yech) Ales even though Great Lakes makes a killing on them and Shiner actually had a decent one.My local Suds contact has a back room filled with past date Beers that i procure at a discount and I had some(before they fetch them back and give him credit) .Also Texans were known to take beans on cattle drives and I'm sure that some of the Pokes threw them in the pot along the way.Of course they are little more refined culinarly speaking than you
Don't use a smoker as it's just me and Cindy and she's practically vegetarian,so not worth hassle
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If you can find poblanos, you can smoke them and make your own ancho. Throw some jalapenos in there at the same time, and you've made your own chipotle peppers.
I might go for that one of these days, probably not this morning
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Probably
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Kansas is beating W Virginia, and Liberty is beating Syracuse.
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2020
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17-7 Kentucky over Tennessee. Tennessee just scored its first points with a little over a minute left in the 1st half.
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not many big games today
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Given the choice of these games versus no games, to me these are all big games.
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UK-Tenn is a border rivalry of sorts.
I think Tenn comes back to win.
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not many big games today
Got Auburn/S.Carolina on. Bo Nix is moving around well in the pocket and the Tigers two outstanding weapons - Seth Williams & Tank Bigsby - are doing their usual damage, but somehow the Tigers are playing their talent advantage down to the competition. Again. I haven't seen Auburn assert their will since crushing a suspension-ridden Miss St last season. Just no killer instinct under Malzahn these past few years.
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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1317501267669864448
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27-7 Kentucky. Tennessee fans really want their team to be good - kinda like Nebraska fans and their team.
Is the magic really gone? Tough to say.
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UK-Tenn is a border rivalry of sorts.
I think Tenn comes back to win.
I knew Tennessee still sucked.
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27-7 Kentucky. Tennessee fans really want their team to be good - kinda like Nebraska fans and their team.
Is the magic really gone? Tough to say.
Two mirror programs. Limited in-state talent. Got rid of HCs that were doing perfectly well, and haven't been as good since.
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Tennessee's last 6 quarters - outscored 61-7.
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Ouch.
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Liberty beat Syracuse.
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Smoking ribs and drinking beer whilst the i s c & a aggie wife is watching TAMU-MSU. Gig 'em. i guess. :)
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Liberty beat Syracuse.
Which program will sell their soul for Hugh Freeze?
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The way he recruits prolly the Political Parties.Money,hookers talk about jesus......that's got office written all over it
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Liberty beat Syracuse.
I guess they prayed harder.
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Kentucky is doing well of late, saban is negneg
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Mullen is pos-pos.
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The ESPN announcers for the Miss State - A&M game are either on a 1-second delay or should find new jobs. It's like they're both nodding off and/or slow. It's odd.
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Notre Dame beat da Ville by 5.
How can the Rebels be worse than the Razorbacks?
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Arkansas has improved to mediocre.
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Woopig
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not many big games today
Been napping through most of today's milder match ups, sipping either coffee or apple cider between shut eye. Tuned in MS St/TXA&M. Meanwhile ABC is showing Memphis UCF while the nearly closed circuit SEC/ACC networks have all day hoarded Tenn/UK, Duke/NC St, Pitt/Miami, Ole Miss/Ark, which would usually be destined for ESPN2, who has instead are left with Navy/East Carolina and Texas St/South Alabama. Waiting for UGA/Bama later.
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This UCF game is a complete banger
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Florida-LSU being postponed screwed all the TV up.
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This UCF game is a complete banger
50-49 wouldn't mind a little Defense
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Well already in replay Hell
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Uga qb situation doesn't make sense to me. Of course I'm not at practice or the coach.
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I told a degenerate gambler buddy of mine this week to take Florida St and the points against UNC. So far, so good.
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UGA-Bama is such good, intense football every time. I wish they played every year.
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UGA-Bama is such good, intense football every time. I wish they played every year.
Agree. Good game.
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Uga qb situation doesn't make sense to me. Of course I'm not at practice or the coach.
In what respect? Bennett came in and did pretty well, he's solid, not tall, accurate, decent arm, team apparently likes him.
Yes, he's probably a 2 star with 4 stars and 5 stars backing him up.
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Whoosh Waddle is fast
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In what respect? Bennett came in and did pretty well, he's solid, not tall, accurate, decent arm, team apparently likes him.
Yes, he's probably a 2 star with 4 stars and 5 stars backing him up.
Just a clunky way of saying it seems fluid, suboptimal, I havent had undivided attention on it and you're right, if they buy in to Bennett perhaps it works out. This 19 minutes will tell the story of course.
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That pick deep in Bama territory was huge. Looked like UGA was at worst going to tie the game with a FG. Now they are down 10.
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UNC FSU turned into a game. Tar heels down 3
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Yep, that pick helped this one slip away. See you in Atlanta for number 2. Hope we can cover Smith in that one. I bet Daniels is starting by then.
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Goodness - game slips away from UNC after three straight dropped passes
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I really thought UGA got away from running the ball. They put the ball in Bennett’s hands too much.
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Goodness - game slips away from UNC after three straight dropped passes
That was nuts.
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The new “Jake from State Farm” has been doing his dumbbell curls.
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Goodness - game slips away from UNC after three straight dropped passes
Yup I was pulling for Mack Brown. Just can't get that monkey off his back.
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I don't know if he's any good but its great hearing Tessitore's voice doing this boxing and not a college football game.
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I really thought UGA got away from running the ball. They put the ball in Bennett’s hands too much.
That's what 3rd and long does.
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I don't know if he's any good but its great hearing Tessitore's voice doing this boxing and not a college football game.
Man I don't know what Loma was thinking. How are you going to wait 8 rounds before throwing a punch and expect to win?
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I told a degenerate gambler buddy of mine this week to take Florida St and the points against UNC. So far, so good.
next time you have a lead pipe lock, let this degenerate know
I took the Canes and gave 10 - it worked
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I really thought UGA got away from running the ball. They put the ball in Bennett’s hands too much.
I had the same notion, and thought they went play action on first down too much, but I guess that was the scheme they thought would be most effective. The batted down passes was clearly an issue. I think Bennett is a decent but shorter QB but history suggests you need an elite QB to compete at the elite level.
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Dawgs had shown solid defense to this point
560 yards and 41 points
of course, the Bama offense is pretty good
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Your defense will be strained if your offense doesn't control the ball better and turns it over.
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If the turnovers get returned for TDs, the D gets extra rest. O0
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Damn nodded off the Dawgs were up 24-20,would have been nice
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Man I don't know what Loma was thinking. How are you going to wait 8 rounds before throwing a punch and expect to win?
It ended up being a really good fight, but yes Loma seemed to dig himself a hole. I didn't think the one judge's 119-109 card was remotely close to what I watched. Lopez looked vulnerable there in the late rounds but man did he finish strong in the 12th.
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so are all the Big Ten teams healthy for play
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Haven't the foggiest not sure how many recommited after saying they'd sit the COVID out
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Haven't the foggiest not sure how many recommited after saying they'd sit the COVID out
ought to be interesting
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I would guess teams would start reporting if they were healthy enough to play early this week as to notify their opponent
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Yup I was pulling for Mack Brown. Just can't get that monkey off his back.
I like Mack, but he is who he is, and that hype train was a little out over its skis (god that's a strained metaphor)
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Made grilled tri tip with a creamy peppercorn sauce, "Northwoods Inn" purple cabbage salad, and sous vide corn with cilantro butter.
All delicious, but the sauce didn't quite reduce and thicken as much as I'd like...
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I like Mack, but he is who he is, and that hype train was a little out over its skis (god that's a strained metaphor)
It's still a fun metaphor.
It generates imagery of Eddie the Eagle.
And the bobsled team from Jamaica.
Teams, especially mediocre teams, can look great one week and terrible the next.
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Yeah Mack's got a ways to go, if he's going to "get there" at all, but I do think UNC is better now than before he was there. He still appears to be a good recruiter, and having talent is always better than not having talent.
Still, this year's FSU team is not very good, and this would have been a great chance for him to rid himself of that particular bugaboo. Ah well, maybe next year.
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I think UNC is the kind of team that can beat mediocre teams, and also then lose to them as well. They might have a 60% chance of winning each game, but that means they will hit the 40% at times. Their opponent might also have a bad day, or very good day where everything works.
They aren't Clemson. Yes, you read that here.
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I think UNC is the kind of team that can beat mediocre teams, and also then lose to them as well. They might have a 60% chance of winning each game, but that means they will hit the 40% at times. Their opponent might also have a bad day, or very good day where everything works.
They aren't Clemson. Yes, you read that here.
I think that's true, right now.
But I don't think there's anything systemic within UNC, or structural within the ACC, to prevent them from doing as well as Clemson. Before the past several years, Clemson wasn't anything special.
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The Big Ten Conference announced Monday morning that Nebraska's 2020 home opener against Wisconsin on Oct. 31 will kick off at 2:30 p.m. CT, with television coverage on FS1.
Nebraska's season opener this Saturday at Ohio State will be televised by FOX with kickoff set for 11 a.m. CT (Noon in Columbus). Kickoff times for Nebraska's remaining 2020 games will be announced six to 12 days in advance.
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But I don't think there's anything systemic within UNC, or structural within the ACC, to prevent them from doing as well as Clemson. Before the past several years, Clemson wasn't anything special.
Clemson has always been a football school, more of an SEC program like FSU than is UNC. I was astonished when I went to UNC at how casual they were on football Saturdays. It's just not a "thing" there as it is at Texas or Ohio State or Florida.
FSU was nothing special before Bowden. We all know the right coach makes a difference, but at UNC, I think they COULD have an upper limit that is basically "pretty good most years and occasionally very good, but not great".
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Clemson has always been a football school, more of an SEC program like FSU than is UNC. I was astonished when I went to UNC at how casual they were on football Saturdays. It's just not a "thing" there as it is at Texas or Ohio State or Florida.
FSU was nothing special before Bowden. We all know the right coach makes a difference, but at UNC, I think they COULD have an upper limit that is basically "pretty good most years and occasionally very good, but not great".
As you say, FSU was nothing, and then it was something.
The only upper limit at UNC, is whatever their own athletic department places on them. If they don't want to be known as a "football school" then they won't ever be one.
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yup, I'm guessing if UNC went out and hired Dabo, or Urban, or Saban to take the football program on par with the hoops program, it would happen.
not that the UNC AD could get any of those coaches to accept their offer, but........
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Made grilled tri tip with a creamy peppercorn sauce, "Northwoods Inn" purple cabbage salad, and sous vide corn with cilantro butter.
All delicious, but the sauce didn't quite reduce and thicken as much as I'd like...
Ya I could clearly see that
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An elite HC would have an easy time at UNC. Good in-state talent, bordering GA, SC, and the very fertile VB/NN/Norfolk area of VA.
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I THINK Dabo would have a tougher time at UNC than he has had at Clemson.
UNC more or less pretends to be an academic school and above all that, like how football schools create crip classes for players to keep them eligible.
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I THINK Dabo would have a tougher time at UNC than he has had at Clemson.
UNC more or less pretends to be an academic school and above all that, like how football schools create crip classes for players to keep them eligible.
North Carolina got off cheating, because it's a hoops blueblood. IF NC State did that, it would not have been pretty for them.
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I THINK Dabo would have a tougher time at UNC than he has had at Clemson.
UNC more or less pretends to be an academic school and above all that, like how football schools create crip classes for players to keep them eligible.
yup, just put the football team in the basketball team classes
I don't think it would be much different than Clemson
Plenty of recruits within driving distance
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yup, just put the football team in the basketball team classes
I don't think it would be much different than Clemson
Plenty of recruits within driving distance
Absolutely-- North Carolina had multiple degrees' worth of crip classes for basketball, they had an entire program of "tutors" that did all the players' homework and even took tests for them. I'd be pretty shocked if their football players aren't enrolling in those as well.
Of all schools, they've proven they're PLENTY happy to cheat to excel in sports.
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almost SEC SEC SEC worthy
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No kidding. How many schools would actively throw their academic reputation under the bus to save one athletic team?
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That porter should work well in your bean soup.
I like to use Sam Adams Chocolate Bock-- it's in their winter mix pack and it's just not very good as a straight beer, but when used in chili, it's excellent. Since NOBODY drinks them at Christmastime, I always have 4 of them lying around in the back of the fridge throughout the year.
Iowa Breweries doing good work....
Pivo Brewery of Calmar and Newton's Gezellig Brewing Company are both medalists in back to back years at the 2020 Great American Beer Festival contest.
Pivo's Decorah Nordic Gruit beat 27 other beers to win a gold medal in this year's contest for historical beer. In 2019 the beer received a silver medal in the came category.
The brewery's Old Balltown Bulleit Bourbon Barrel Aged Salted Caramel Dark Chocolate Brownie Milk Stout won a silver medal in the contest's chocolate beer competition. 53 beers were entered in the category. In 2019, the beer was a gold medalist.
SingleSpeed Brewing Company in Waterloo won a gold medal by beating 88 other beers in the session beer or non-alcoholic beer category for its Tip the Calf session milk stout. It is the brewery's first GABF medal.
Gezellig Brewing Company won a silver medal for its Hugzilla rye hazy double IPA in the rye beer category. 52 beers were entered in the category.
In 2019, the Newton brewery's All The Goodness won a silver medal in the Belgian-Style Fruit Beer category and Hug Deal Gone Sideweiss won a silver in the South German-Style Hefeweizen category.
Gezellig also received several awards and was named the champion brewery at the 2020 San Diego International Beer Competition awards announced earlier this month.
Big Grove Brewery of Iowa City won a bronze medal in the German-style Marzen beer competition for its Oktoberfest. 142 beers were entered in the category. It is the brewery's first GABF medal.
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Sounds good to me. Drink up, Johnny!
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Old Balltown Bulleit Bourbon Barrel Aged Salted Caramel Dark Chocolate Brownie Milk Stout
seems overkill to me, but it's descriptive
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North Carolina got off cheating, because it's a hoops blueblood. IF NC State did that, it would not have been pretty for them.
Coastal Carolina better straighten up and fly right
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Iowa Breweries doing good work....
Big Grove Brewery of Iowa City won a bronze medal in the German-style Marzen beer competition for its Oktoberfest. 142 beers were entered in the category. It is the brewery's first GABF medal.
You didn't need a bunch of Sud Snobs at the GABF to tell you that.Hell send all their efforts to my zip code and theyll win alot more awards than that.We are talking Inter Galatic Accolades and Yuenglings all around
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Old Balltown Bulleit Bourbon Barrel Aged Salted Caramel Dark Chocolate Brownie Milk Stout
seems overkill to me, but it's descriptive
Think Bud Fat from the pots out back
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Absolutely-- North Carolina had multiple degrees' worth of crip classes for basketball, they had an entire program of "tutors" that did all the players' homework and even took tests for them. I'd be pretty shocked if their football players aren't enrolling in those as well.
Of all schools, they've proven they're PLENTY happy to cheat to excel in sports.
I was kidding obviously.
But, UNC does walk around pretending to be an academic school along the lines of Duke, I'm not kidding, or they did when I was there.
Now, it's a pretty good public by most metrics, but it isn't Duke. They had a big inferiority problem there.
Now, Georgia at times tries to pretend it's on the level of Tech, sort of, but mostly they just say scoreboard when some Technie trumpets their akademicals.
I find it all rather amusing. I suspect Michigan parades this out after OSU schools them in football. "Yeah, but in four years I'll be your boss."
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OSU is pretty damn good. They improved greatly under Gee.
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I was kidding obviously.
But, UNC does walk around pretending to be an academic school along the lines of Duke, I'm not kidding, or they did when I was there.
Now, it's a pretty good public by most metrics, but it isn't Duke. They had a big inferiority problem there.
Now, Georgia at times tries to pretend it's on the level of Tech, sort of, but mostly they just say scoreboard when some Technie trumpets their akademicals.
I find it all rather amusing. I suspect Michigan parades this out after OSU schools them in football. "Yeah, but in four years I'll be your boss."
Yeah, Longhorns say similar things whilst losing to "inferior academic schools" on the playing field.
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Love High School football, especially the Texas variety, but just about every week ESPN2 broadcasts one of Arch Manning's games. 15 year old quarterback nephew of Peyton & Eli. When not on field, the cameras follow around Arch on the sidelines like it's the Osbournes Reality show, with the announcers incessantly reminding viewers this is the anointed nephew of Peyton and Eli. Even Arch seems put off with the attention. Yes, they'll be good storylines as to where Arch eventually signs (LSU? Tennessee?) but for now he's only a sophomore. It's a good example of how 20 years ago ESPN's network strategy was to expose the viewer to as much of the sports landscape as possible. I remember watching a lot of NHL and XGames in high school, and now their strategy appears to be directing and cultivating the endless headlines of select few ascendant stars - Lebron, Steph, Brady, Mahomes, etc. Arch, at 15, is the youngest subject to come under this attempt of finding and building up the next athlete to worship.
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Love High School football, especially the Texas variety, but just about every week ESPN2 broadcasts one of Arch Manning's games. 15 year old quarterback nephew of Peyton & Eli. When not on field, the cameras follow around Arch on the sidelines like it's the Osbournes Reality show, with the announcers incessantly reminding viewers this is the anointed nephew of Peyton and Eli. Even Arch seems put off with the attention. Yes, they'll be good storylines as to where Arch eventually signs (LSU? Tennessee?) but for now he's only a sophomore. It's a good example of how 20 years ago ESPN's network strategy was to expose the viewer to as much of the sports landscape as possible. I remember watching a lot of NHL and XGames in high school, and now their strategy appears to be directing and cultivating the endless headlines of select few ascendant stars - Lebron, Steph, Brady, Mahomes, etc. Arch, at 15, is the youngest subject to come under this attempt of finding and building up the next athlete to worship.
I like local high school football. Not so much these all start televised games. I generally watch Pittsburgh cable's broadcast of the WPIAL game of the week though, and I enjoy going to games.