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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on June 08, 2020, 12:23:09 PM
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Because I'm curious.
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I’ll play. I voted do no need one.
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Thank you
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I don't have one. They can be useful hunting rifles and modifiability is a plus. And they could be a useful home defense weapon. They also are somewhat fun and inexpensive to shoot targets.
And of course they are very very rarely used in the commission of crimes. The focus on them because of criminal behaviors is rather odd to me. They are no more deadly that rifles like a Ruger Mini-14 with a wooden stock.
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Don’t need one. Don’t have one. Not a gun guy. But if I wanted one it is my right.
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I don't have one. They can be useful hunting rifles and modifiability is a plus. And they could be a useful home defense weapon. They also are somewhat fun and inexpensive to shoot targets.
And of course they are very very rarely used in the commission of crimes. The focus on them because of criminal behaviors is rather odd to me. They are no more deadly that rifles like a Ruger Mini-14 with a wooden stock.
see the thing is youre not required to justify having one
How about I want one cause its fun to shoot
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I voted that I don't need one, because I don't need one but I have one anyway was not an option.
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I voted that I don't need one, because I don't need one but I have one anyway was not an option.
fun to shoot wasnt one either
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IMHO, and I could be wrong, all the focus on assault rifles is ignorance in action.
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IMHO, and I could be wrong, all the focus on assault rifles is ignorance in action.
and the thing is the armed services doesnt even use them cause they arent good enough
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The armed forces all employ assault rifles, the real ones.
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1 Defending your home from looters during a riot/power outage/natural disaster.
2 it annoys the hell out of White liberal elitists.
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1 Defending your home from looters during a riot/power outage/natural disaster.
2 it annoys the hell out of White liberal elitists.
the real fear to gun owners is that if we gave in and AR-15s were banned do you think the left would stop there
nope they would still want to take all guns away
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You can vote for 3 options, btw.
Longhorn, I suppose their being fun to shoot would fall under "it is my right".
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And of course they are very very rarely used in the commission of crimes. The focus on them because of criminal behaviors is rather odd to me.
Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes. It's that when they are, dozens of people die. You get that, right?
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the real fear to gun owners is that if we gave in and AR-15s were banned do you think the left would stop there
nope they would still want to take all guns away
I think this is a total fantasy.
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the real fear to gun owners is that if we gave in and AR-15s were banned do you think the left would stop there
nope they would still want to take all guns away
Yup. You give an inch, they take a mile.
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Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes. It's that when they are, dozens of people die. You get that, right?
Do you appreciate that the weapon depicted below fires the same round just as fast just as lethally and with the same kind of magazine? It can also be chambered to fire a round more lethal than the NATO 5.56 mm as well. If somehow every "AR-15" type rifle disappeared magically, the weapon shown below could be used with the same impact. There is nothing magic about the AR-15, it has features which LOOK dangerous. In fact, it is very difficult even to define the term "assault rifle" legally.
(https://i.imgur.com/nvDRi9i.png)
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Do you appreciate that the weapon depicted below fires the same round just as fast just as lethally and with the same kind of magazine? It can also be chambered to fire a round more lethal than the NATO 5.56 mm as well. If somehow every "AR-15" type rifle disappeared magically, the weapon shown below could be used with the same impact. There is nothing magic about the AR-15, it has features which LOOK dangerous. In fact, it is very difficult even to define the term "assault rifle" legally.
Sigh. Read the title of the thread again.
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Yeah, I took the 3 vote option. Nobody needs one. I do it to hunt and I have the right.
OAM: the subject line creates a little bit of ambiguity, as the actual poll question is materially different. Are we talking about semi automatic weapons period, or only the 'scary' looking semi-automatic weapons.
I don't own an AR-15, but I do own 'or similar semi'. That's a material difference and an important difference.
Many 12 gauge shotguns that people hunt with are going to be semi-automatic weapons, generally able to fire 3 shells relatively quickly, with a plug removed, that capacity can go out to say five shells, though that may be prohibited in most states. Similarly, many hunting rifles which are absolutely not 'AR-15s' are semi-automatic. These would include all kinds of firearms used to hunt small game and larger game. (.22, .308, 30-06, 30-30, etc. (there are many)).
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I responded to the question asked already. I am now responding to another point raised. Banning a rifle because it LOOKS dangerous to me is ignorance in action.
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Yup. You give an inch, they take a mile.
When? Where? Why do you guys pretend there isn't an enormous chasm between semi-automatic rifles with bumpstocks and handguns/traditional rifles?
Fantasyland can't be much fun with so many damn slippery slopes you're afraid of.
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Yeah, I took the 3 vote option. Nobody needs one. I do it to hunt and I have the right.
OAM: the subject line creates a little bit of ambiguity, as the actual poll question is materially different. Are we talking about semi automatic weapons period, or only the 'scary' looking semi-automatic weapons.
I don't own an AR-15, but I do own 'or similar semi'. That's a material difference and an important difference.
Many 12 gauge shotguns that people hunt with are going to be semi-automatic weapons, generally able to fire 3 shells relatively quickly, with a plug removed, that capacity can go out to say five shells, though that may be prohibited in most states. Similarly, many hunting rifles which are absolutely not 'AR-15s' are semi-automatic. These would include all kinds of firearms used to hunt small game and larger game. (.22, .308, 30-06, 30-30, etc. (there are many)).
Hmm, would specifying "high magazine" rifles be more acurate?
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I responded to the question asked already. I am now responding to another point raised. Banning a rifle because it LOOKS dangerous to me is ignorance in action.
Who suggested that?
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There is an enormous chasm (the bumpstocks comment aside). Handguns are the weapon of choice in almost all gun crime in the US for obvious reasons.
And I'd consider a semiautomatic rifle to be a "traditional rifle".
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Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes. It's that when they are, dozens of people die. You get that, right?
You asked me if I get this, and my response required further amplification.
I find it important to note that other types of rifles can be just as lethal. I believe you are focused on the wrong feature entirely, LOOKS.
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You asked me if I get this, and my response required further amplification.
I find it important to note that other types of rifles can be just as lethal. I believe you are focused on the wrong feature entirely, LOOKS.
You're incorrect. I don't give a shit about looks. I care about the number of rounds in one magazine (or one go, before reloading) and the amount of time one magazine (or whatever) can be emptied.
That's what's important, not looks. Please throw that idea out of your head.
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You gave this the thread title "AR-15 or similar". That is talking about looks, not functionality.
The magazine size is a completely different item, as is how fast it can be fired.
Now, if you want to relable the thread, fine with me, but call it "semiautomatic rifles of any type".
I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about, again.
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When? Where? Why do you guys pretend there isn't an enormous chasm between semi-automatic rifles with bumpstocks and handguns/traditional rifles?
Fantasyland can't be much fun with so many damn slippery slopes you're afraid of.
We have seen you people in action before. It is a lot easier for your type to steal out rights inch by inch than all at once.
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We have seen you people in action before. It is a lot easier for your type to steal out rights inch by inch than all at once.
"You people"
You're done.
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You gave this the thread title "AR-15 or similar". That is talking about looks, not functionality.
The magazine size is a completely different item, as is how fast it can be fired.
Now, if you want to relable the thread, fine with me, but call it "semiautomatic rifles of any type".
I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about, again.
You're blaming me for what's going on inside your head. That's.......incredible.
Why didn't it occur to you that "AR-15 or similar" meant AR-15s and guns that are functionally similar? How is that MY fault?
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once again a gun does not have to be suited for a particular purpose to be owned
a gun owner does not have to justify why he wants to own a certain gun
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I audibly took the name of a deity in vain when I saw this thread.
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"You people"
You're done.
are you suggesting BB was being a racist cause I didnt take it that way
I think you people meant people wanting to take our guns away
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I audibly took the name of a deity in vain when I saw this thread.
well I did too but Im having fun with it
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well I did too but Im having fun with it
I'm booing its existence.
There are threads I'm OK with even when they dip into the usually forbidden topics. When they're built around them, there I draw a line. (I have no vote, but I'm disapproving anyway)
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are you suggesting BB was being a racist cause I didnt take it that way
I think you people meant people wanting to take our guns away
No one else thinks I'm black. You're the only one.
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once again a gun does not have to be suited for a particular purpose to be owned
a gun owner does not have to justify why he wants to own a certain gun
I agree, you're free to not vote here, lol.
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You're blaming me for what's going on inside your head. That's.......incredible.
Why didn't it occur to you that "AR-15 or similar" meant AR-15s and guns that are functionally similar? How is that MY fault?
If you meant to refer to ALL semiautomatic rifles, you would not have mentioned AR-15s at all. That reference clearly makes the thread about AR-15 type rifles, "functionally similar", often called assault rifles. They look scary. And you further mentioned that when they are used in criminal acts they can kill a lot of people, which also is something associated with assault rifles.
A 9 mm handgun is "functionally similar" and the barrel is rifled. The Ruger Mini-14 is also functionally similar, but it also of course lacks certain features found in most AR-15 types like a bayonet mount and pistol grip and adjustable stock, so in those respects it is not functionally similar.
Maybe you could clarify what you mean here if you really meant "all semiautomatic rifles". You would get quite different responses because, as noted, most rifles used in hunting are semiautomatic. They are convenient and more popular in general for obvious reasons.
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I audibly took the name of a deity in vain when I saw this thread.
I'm just curious about it. It's harmless. And hell, it's anonymous and voting is a choice.
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No one else thinks I'm black. You're the only one.
Nope not anymore I mean just cause you put Afro in your name means nothing
Youre as white as the wind driven snow as far as Im concerned
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Maybe you could clarify what you mean here if you really meant "all semiautomatic rifles". You would get quite different responses because, as noted, most rifles used in hunting are semiautomatic. They are convenient and more popular in general for obvious reasons.
I should go hunting more.
I didn't know most hunting rifles (or most of the ones people actually use) are semiautomatic. Thanks for that.
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Nope not anymore I mean just cause you put Afro in your name means nothing
Youre as white as the wind driven snow as far as Im concerned
Then him using "you people" couldn't have had a racial slant to it. Now you're just nonsensical. I give up.
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There is not much reason these days to use a bolt action hunting rifle unless your target is an elephant. Most shotguns are semiautomatic as well.
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"You people"
You're done.
I'm just getting started.
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Would a "rounds per minute" distinction be useful, instead of automatic, semiautomatic, and single-shot guns?
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There is not much reason these days to use a bolt action hunting rifle unless your target is an elephant. Most shotguns are semiautomatic as well.
Yeah, semiautomatic seems like a useless term when discussing this. It's also very much about how many bullets you're able to shoot before reloading.
I'm fearful (can't prove) that this is on purpose by the gun lobby. While the egg lobby was resting, the gun lobby harped on the distinction between automatic and semiautomatic, making the semiautomatic moniker sound safer and preferable. All the while, knowing that politicians and the masses wouldn't realize that all of these mass shootings are by semiautomatic weapons with 30-40 bullets being shot in mere seconds.
I think further distinction would be useful, but the NRA would be against it's widespread use. I don't think they want non-gun owners knowing more about this at all.
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Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes. It's that when they are, dozens of people die. You get that, right?
Can you cite the killings of dozens of people in one event by shooters armed with AR-15s?
Can you cite the statistics of how many of the people criminally killed by shooters were killed by shooters using AR-15s?
Do you distinguish between AR-15s and Ruger Mini-14s? If you do, on what basis?
I ask these questions because I do not understand the logic of so many people concerning the AR-15, as if it is some uniquely lethal firearm that has a mind of its own, while other semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and shotguns are left unmentioned.
And I also ask because I believe that the "logic" may be that banning the AR-15 would establish a precedent for banning those other semi-automatic firearms, and that the AR-15 is picked because it looks "scary" to people who know nothing about firearms.
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Would a "rounds per minute" distinction be useful, instead of automatic, semiautomatic, and single-shot guns?
rounds per minute is largely tied to how many rounds a clip will hold cause we cant own true automatics just semi automatics
which translates into how many times can you pull the trigger in one minute
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I'm booing its existence.
There are threads I'm OK with even when they dip into the usually forbidden topics. When they're built around them, there I draw a line. (I have no vote, but I'm disapproving anyway)
For some reason the OP has carte blanche to just piss and sh!t all over the rules regarding politics and religion.
Dude must have compromising pictures of the mods and admins.
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I also ask because I believe that the "logic" may be that banning the AR-15 would establish a precedent for banning those other semi-automatic firearms, and that the AR-15 is picked because it looks "scary" to people who know nothing about firearms.
bingo nailed it CW
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Yeah, semiautomatic seems like a useless term when discussing this. It's also very much about how many bullets you're able to shoot before reloading.
The number of rounds obviously depends on the magazine, not the rifle itself. And semiautomatic is THE critical feature that enables magazine with many many rounds to be fired with each trigger pull. It is not a useless term at all.
It's also worth noting that swapping an empty magazine for a full one takes perhaps a second for a reasonably proficient shooter. So, the different between a killer with a 30 round magazine and one with three ten round magazines is functionally not very significant unless he's incompetent.
The full term should be "semiautomatic rifle with detachable magazine". ANY rifle of that sort can kill a lot of people very quickly.
So can a 9 mm handgun. So can a person with two .357 revolvers with speed loaders and a pump shotgun.
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For some reason the OP has carte blanche to just piss and sh!t all over the rules regarding politics and religion.
Dude must have compromising pictures of the mods and admins.
hey theres just so much football stuff you can talk about specially when there is no football
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The number of rounds obviously depends on the magazine, not the rifle itself. And semiautomatic is THE critical feature that enables magazine with many many rounds to be fired with each trigger pull. It is not a useless term at all.
It's also worth noting that swapping an empty magazine for a full one takes perhaps a second for a reasonably proficient shooter. So, the different between a killer with a 30 round magazine and one with three ten round magazines is functionally not very significant unless he's incompetent.
The full term should be "semiautomatic rifle with detachable magazine". ANY rifle of that sort can kill a lot of people very quickly.
So can a 9 mm handgun. So can a person with two .357 revolvers with speed loaders and a pump shotgun.
lol, this is why there are people out there who want all the guns taken away.
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When it says "these weapons", to what is it referring?
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[img width=500 height=340.99]https://i.imgur.com/YeBcpnk.png[/img]
you still cant have my gun
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hey theres just so much football stuff you can talk about specially when there is no football
True, and I post plenty about football as well. I'm nerdy like that.
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lol, this is why there are people out there who want all the guns taken away.
And that might be a consistent position, but just focusing on scary looking rifles is ignorant for reasons I have explained several times.
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you still cant have my gun
YOU PEOPLE are so brave against fictional foes. :57:
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And that might be a consistent position, but just focusing on scary looking rifles is ignorant for reasons I have explained several times.
There are no words...:banghead:
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YOU PEOPLE are so brave against fictional foes.
you bet and I want to keep it that way
how horrible it would be if I ever had to use my gun for defense
but just in case I choose to remain armed
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When it says "these weapons", to what is it referring?
It's about "assault rifles".
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A friend of mine in Cincy asked me to help her write a letter to our Congressman about banning "assault rifles". She was earnest, and I explained to her what the terms means, and why it really wouldn't matter if we banned them. I educated her on "semiautomatic firearms with detachable magazines" as being the general type that is more dangerous/lethal than other types. So, she wrote her letter, and showed it to me later.
It was a hodgepodge of mixed up silliness. I didn't comment on it when she showed it to me.
If I personally feel strongly about an issue, I am going to get educated on said issue to try and avoid making infantile mistakes about it (not that I think a letter matters either way).
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Yeah, semiautomatic seems like a useless term when discussing this. It's also very much about how many bullets you're able to shoot before reloading.
I'm fearful (can't prove) that this is on purpose by the gun lobby. While the egg lobby was resting, the gun lobby harped on the distinction between automatic and semiautomatic, making the semiautomatic moniker sound safer and preferable. All the while, knowing that politicians and the masses wouldn't realize that all of these mass shootings are by semiautomatic weapons with 30-40 bullets being shot in mere seconds.
I think further distinction would be useful, but the NRA would be against it's widespread use. I don't think they want non-gun owners knowing more about this at all.
How many seconds are "mere seconds"? 30 or 40?
I don't understand your point about the NRA. The NRA would oppose the "widespread use" of what? A "further distinction"? Of what?
I think you alluded to magazine sizes upthread. I think that magazine-size restrictions are largely futile. It would take mass confiscation by the police that you don't trust (and have my doubts too) to round up even a large fraction of the magazines that hold, say, more than 10 rounds. And it doesn't take sophisticated metal-shop skills to expand legal-size magazines into larger, illegal ones.
Trying to forcibly collect AR-15, as you seem to be implying would be a good thing, would encounter massive resistance, even from people who don't own them.
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It's about "assault rifles".
Yeah, and for reasons I have explained, that piece is idiotic twaddle.
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you bet and I want to keep it that way
how horrible it would be if I ever had to use my gun for defense
but just in case I choose to remain armed
I'm actually part of YOU PEOPLE, it was just a call-back. I don't have a gun, but I'm all for people having guns.
At the same time, I don't understand why people want to have 30 guns. Or guns that can shoot 100 bullets in a minute. I'd be for being able to rent them at gun ranges or something. And I guess if you collect guns and they're just sitting in a cabinet for show, that's cool.
I get both sides, but all the guns should never be taken away (AND THEY WON'T BE). But there's no need to have military-grade munitions under private ownership, either.
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It's about "assault rifles".
Have you ever fired one?
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But there's no need to have military-grade munitions under private ownership, either.
Your ignorance is rather appalling. Maybe try and learn something if this issue is important to you. You continue to spew "Talking Points" that simply are incorrect and nonsensical.
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hey theres just so much football stuff you can talk about specially when there is no football
Yeah, if this were a new phenomenon, then it would be understandable. But he does this whether there is football or not.
By his own admission he is too big of a pu$$y to post on Area 51, because he feels outnumbered. So rather than join one of the 50 billion message boards that function as echo Chambers for his fellow White liberal stereotypes, he hides in our elevator in order to sniff his own farts. Trouble is, the rest of us have to smell them too.
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How many seconds are "mere seconds"? 30 or 40? I was thinking more like 8-10 sec.
I don't understand your point about the NRA. The NRA would oppose the "widespread use" of what? A "further distinction"? Of what? IF more specific distinctions were widely made/used within the 'semiautomatic' label, I don't think the NRA would be enthused about the masses becoming more knowledgeable on the subject. I think they like their opponents being less-than-competent when it comes to gun knowledge.
I think you alluded to magazine sizes upthread. I think that magazine-size restrictions are largely futile. It would take mass confiscation by the police that you don't trust (and have my doubts too) to round up even a large fraction of the magazines that hold, say, more than 10 rounds. And it doesn't take sophisticated metal-shop skills to expand legal-size magazines into larger, illegal ones.
Trying to forcibly collect AR-15, as you seem to be implying would be a good thing, would encounter massive resistance, even from people who don't own them.
I hadn't seen the word "forcibly" used in this thread at all. Why are you introducing it? Where was it implied?
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Yeah, if this were a new phenomenon, then it would be understandable. But he does this whether there is football or not.
By his own admission he is too big of a pu$$y to post on Area 51, because he feels outnumbered.
Oh, oh, let me correct this part. I don't post there because those people are completely brain-washed. Even Cincy will tell you that.
Posting a dissenting opinion there is precisely the same as arguing with a wall.
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Have you ever fired one?
No, just pistols/handguns. I bet it's fun, though.
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It is fun, and so was this thread. But, it has to be done. Sorry.