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So, about two songs posted here recently:

I had the privilege of learning music from a lot of very talented people who taught me a lot about production as well as playing instruments.  I still think like a producer when I listen to songs, and I'm pretty well aware of accepted norms within genres.  Bon Jovi's song "Never Say Goodbye" has an odd thing about it which maybe a lot of people overlook, but it jumps out at me, kind of annoys me, and also surprises me that it made it in the final track.  If you go to about the 1:09 mark, toward the end of the first half of the first chorus, there's a syncopated snare hit.  It's not wrong, and it's not terribly uncommon for a drummer to do something like that in a live setting if he's feeling mildly frisky, but it definitely goes against the album-style, slick, pop-production of the rest of the track, and how pretty much all other Bon Jovi songs get sanded, stained, lacquered, and buffed.  It sticks out like a sore thumb to me, because comparatively, it's not something that would've escaped the producer.  Like, I would've expected the producer to say "Let's do that section again, but just hit the snare on 2 and 4 there."  It may not jar you like it does me, and that's fine, I know I'm uber-sensative to stuff that doesn't matter to most people at all in this regard, but my main point is more to say that I'm surprised it was left that way on the album cut.  I believe Tulip is a drummer.....I was wondering what his take on it is.  

Second thing--I never thought about it before until I just posted it recently, but Van Halen's "Love Walks In" is one of the few songs I can think of where the chorus brings the energy down instead of up, compared to the verses.  The drummer is "in" on the verses, and mostly "out" on the chorus.  Usually it'd be the other way around if there's a big change in dynamic between verse and chorus.  The vocals are also a lot more forceful on the verse than the chorus.  Very interesting to me.  It's so common to do it the other way around that I probably wouldn't have thought of it, but, that's why they're Van Halen and I'm not.  

I like talking to somebody who knows the term "cymbal wash"

I don't currently own a full kit. I'd love to check out Roland's VAD series, but for some reason the wife doesn't think that's a good use of $10,000.
So I like my 16" Remo djembe. I let it ring, and damp with the fingertips when called for. I bring it out when friends are demonstrating their acoustic guitar skills, and I'm wanting to add something else. I've got a cheap 18 crash-ride mounted, and a mark tree clamped underneath it.
In full setup, I'll sit on the cajon, play the djembe, velcro some shakers or zils to my toes, and keep the padded mallets handy. Hopefully the guitarist isn't too self-conscious, plays to decent volume, and we can get things grooving.

The mark tree is not debatable. I'm playing it often, because it's possibly one of the most glorious sounds Gawd made.

I don't currently own a full kit. I'd love to check out Roland's VAD series, but for some reason the wife doesn't think that's a good use of $10,000.

The mark tree is not debatable. I'm playing it often, because it's possibly one of the most glorious sounds Gawd made.

I don't either.  You can get a pretty choice acoustic set for a quarter of that, although maybe not with all the hardware and cymbals.  So let's say half.  But I just plain don't like the feel of electric drums.  Acoustic sound is compression waves, and I feel it both in my body at the center of the kit, and in the reverberation of the sticks when I hit a drum.  It's all dead and lifeless with electric drums, because there's no actual air being moved around.  

heh.....the chimes.....as I recall, they were ubiquitous in churches with contemporary music in the 80's.  No self-respecting drummer in the 80's would be caught unprepared for a ballad without them.  Like roto-toms, they had largely fell out of fashion by the time I started getting my own kits, so I never had any.  

The 80's even had cooler drums.  Like Sammy Hagar said, everything smiled in the 80's, the hair, the clothes, the music....

Do you have a preference between Van Halen and Van Hagar?  Some VH fans I've come across through the years are very opinionated about it.  I like both, though I suppose overall I lean Hagar, since 5150 is my favorite album and I prefer his voice to DLR, in a vacuum.  DLR sure fit the DLR songs, though. 

Nah no real preference.  I never got into the debates, I found them to be silly and pointless.  Like droog said, Van Halen music is supposed to be fun.  Arguing about the different versions of the band, is not fun.

If you absolutely made me pick I'd probably go with DLR but it's no slight to Sammy at all.

My favorite VH song is "I'll Wait" off 1984 and my favorite VH album is VH I, but 5150 was a really great album as well and I thoroughly enjoyed all 4 of Sammy's studio albums with the band.

I was a little young to see DLR play with Van Halen live (although I did see him solo for his Skyscraper tour), so Hagar is the only version I ever saw live and I saw them twice in that configuration.  I also saw Sammy and Michael Anthony and Co. on tour for his Circle album, which was a great show.

VH is different obviously with David Lee and Hagar

I like them both.  a LOT!
why worry.

one of my many favorites

https://youtu.be/Sp5Nd93gQ5I