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Georgia started out as the high-minded project of General Oglethorpe. A haven for debtors and paupers, a beacon of freedom and opportunity, a land where there would be no slavery.

Soon, "Enough of that!"

Utee mentioned good intentions gone wrong a page or two back. I mentioned the road to Hell being paved with them.

Speaking of Cherokee, there's this interesting story from the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge. (By family lore, I'm supposedly 1/16 Cherokee, but then once I was supposed to be part-Irish too, and that turned out to be bunk, so I question the Cherokee DNA story.)

"Indian Reservation (The Lament of the Cherokee Reservation Indian)" is a song written by John D. Loudermilk. It was first recorded by Marvin Rainwater in 1959 and released on MGM as "The Pale Faced Indian", but that release went unnoticed. The first hit version was a 1968 recording by Don Fardon – a former member of the Sorrows – that reached number 20 on the Hot 100 in 1968 and number 3 on the UK Singles Chart in 1970.[3]

In 1971, the Raiders recorded "Indian Reservation" for Columbia Records, and it topped the Hot 100 on July 24. On June 30, 1971, the RIAA gold certified the record for selling over a million copies.[5] The record was later certified platinum for selling an additional million copies. The song was the group's only Hot 100 Number 1 hit and their final Hot 100 Top 20 song.

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A well-known story told by Loudermilk is that when he was asked by the Viva! NashVegas radio show about the origins of the song "Indian Reservation," he fabricated the story that he wrote the song after his car was snowed in by a blizzard and he was taken in by a small group of Cherokee Indians. A self-professed prankster, he spun the tale that a Cherokee chieftain, "Bloody Bear Tooth," asked him to make a song about his people's plight on the Trail of Tears, even going so far as to claim that he had later been awarded "the first medal of the Cherokee Nation," not for writing the song, but for his "blood." He went on to fabricate the detail that on that day the tribe revealed that his "great-great-grandparents, Homer and Matilda Loudermilk" were listed on the Dawes Rolls (the citizenship rolls of the Nation). Had this detail of his tall tale been true, he would have been a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, which he was not.

In spite of the song's title, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma are not known as "reservations," and singing that they may someday "return" is at odds with the fact that these Cherokee Nations still exist.

One of the tragic ironies of the Cherokees is that they thought that white Americans would consider them to be civilized because they had taken up owning black slaves.

So, when most of them were exiled to "Indian Territory" (now the eastern part of Oklahoma), they brought their black slaves with them. Since the abolition of slavery in 1865, there has been off and on litigation between the "Cherokee Freedmen" (descendants of the Cherokees' slaves) and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma over the question of whether or not the Freedmen are citizens of the Nation. I think that the most recent court decision was in favor of the Freedmen, but that's probably not the end of it.

An interesting example of kicking down. You get unfairly kicked, so you find someone weaker to unfairly kick. It's as old a weakness as coveting your neighbor's wife and/or cattle.

they've been kicking down for decades

to no avail 

An old BB like that armed only with 5"/38 DP gun mounts could have been an effective kamikaze deterrent.  And sponge.

they've been kicking down for decades

to no avail

Weren't kicking down here.


https://youtu.be/0-OuxgNkq4I

Good point about the CVEs. I guess it was considered enough to have destroyers around them to provide AA protection. Off Samar, that proved not to be true. Not true enough to prevent 2 escort carriers, 2 destroyers, and a destroyer escort from being sunk.

Sooners gave him plenty of opportunities. 9 fumbles, 6 lost.

Did he make the "game-winning" recovery at the 3?