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Topic: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.

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« Reply #3655 on: May 08, 2022, 01:00:02 PM »
The more I read about various battles, the more I realize the apparent fact they have a huge random factor, with some exceptions.  Commanders are apt to make mistakes due to misinformation or assumption or just make mistakes because perhaps their brains are full.  The opponent might not be aware of the mistake and perhaps make their own mistakes, and randomly someone takes advantage of the gap created.
Regarding that last point, I am reminded of the self-induced gap in Rosecrans' line and Longstreet's fortuitous timing in ordering a charge at the point where the gap had just been created.
Because we are discussing the Korean War in my Military History class I am reminded how the hero can quickly become the goat (not the GOAT). MacArthur's bold (some might have said foolhardy) and brilliant landing of X Corps at Inch'on on Korea's western coast in Sep 1950 was quickly followed by the foolhardy (some might have said bold) decision to pull X Corps back out through Inch'on, interfering hugely with Eighth Army's logistics in the process, wasted two weeks for mine-clearing to conduct an amphibious landing on the eastern coast at Wonsan, which the ROK Army had already captured 2 weeks earlier, and then encouraging X Corps to drive to the Yalu even as the Chinese were intervening in great numbers.  Appointing his good friend and chief of staff Maj. Gen. Ned Almond as CG of X Corps, and then keeping X Corps separate from Eighth Army after the Inch'on landing, seems positively nepotistic when looking at the disastrous Chosin Reservoir campaign.  Especially with our knowledge that Almond continued to order 7th ID and 1st Mar Div forward, even as they were being surrounded by Chinese who outnumbered them 10-to-1.  "Don't let a few Chinese laundrymen stop you," said Almond.
I am retiring from my 2nd career in 2 weeks. I received my equivalent of the gold watch--a wooden apple in a block of Lucite--in a retirement ceremony Wednesday.
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« Reply #3657 on: May 08, 2022, 01:59:18 PM »

I am retiring from my 2nd career in 2 weeks. I received my equivalent of the gold watch--a wooden apple in a block of Lucite--in a retirement ceremony Wednesday.
Congratulations CW


Are you planning anything big upon retirement


or just watch the world go by
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« Reply #3658 on: May 08, 2022, 02:06:43 PM »
Regarding the Texas-Nebraska comparison, it's interesting that it starts with the 2010 season.

After the 2009 season, Horn fans could have reasonably concluded that Texas was the ascendant program in the Big 12. They had won the conference's most recent NC in 2005. They had just won the Big 12 CCG. They might well have won the NC again in 2009 had Colt McCoy not gotten injured in the NCG vs. Bama. They had beaten OU in 4 of the last 5 RRS games, and one of those wins had been by their largest-ever margin of victory in the series.

Since then, no conference championships and a 3-10 record vs. OU.


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« Reply #3659 on: May 08, 2022, 02:11:17 PM »
Congratulations CW


Are you planning anything big upon retirement


or just watch the world go by
Thanks, 320.

My plan is to do what my core faculty advisor--in my master's program at Vermont College (Monpelier, VT)--suggested that I do: expand on my my research papers on the development of American strategy in World War II and write a book on the subject.
I was able to easily use the FDR Library at the time, as I was teaching at West Point. Now, I'm within driving distance of the Truman Library in Independence, MO, and the World War II Museum in New Orleans, so those could be two resources.
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« Reply #3660 on: May 08, 2022, 03:03:06 PM »
MacArthur is a bit of a mystery to me, perhaps more politician than field commander.  I've been rereading the books about Korea, historical fiction in particular by Webb Griffin.  The Chosun Frozen did something remarkable I think.

W.E.B. Griffin :: THE CORPS Series (webgriffin.com)

He was an Army guy who for some reason fell in love with the Corps.

My Dad for some reason had a very high opinion of the Corps, he was USAAF.  He told me they had a Marine on board the night they went down, I don't know why, nor did he, and he thinks the Navy searched for them to rescue the Marine.  Only my Dad, the flight engineer named Lamica, and the copilot survived and were picked up.

As to Chickamauga, that was the example I was thinking about.  I visited the battlefield twice but it's so wooded I couldn't make much sense of it.  Gettysburg is a lot different, as is Antietam.

It seems like a kind of crap shoot.

I had fun in my alternate history book moving Lee's Army in 1863 to Mississippi to face Grant at Memphis.  I had to read up on rail transport at the time, it was pretty hilarious really.   I sent Jackson off on a flanking move, who woulda thunk, but he got held up by a swollen river, and then Lee being desparate launched a frontal attack on Grant that ended poorly.

I like making up my own history.



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« Reply #3661 on: May 08, 2022, 09:06:37 PM »
CD:

W.E.B. (William E. Butterworth) Griffin's Brotherhood of War series--about the Army--is very good too.  He did it before The Corps series.  Did he ever finish The Corps?  If he did, I missed it.

You're right about MacArthur, I think.  More politician than general.  He was the senior-ranking officer in the U.S. military establishment in 1941, having retired after his stint as Army Chief of Staff, gone off to be Field Marshall of the Philippine Army, and then gotten recalled to active duty.  He was really senior by 1950.

There was a little dereliction of duty on the part of the JCS in 1950, I think. They deferred to MacArthur, their subordinate in the normal order of things, because he was senior to them and because he was a (somewhat self-created) legend.  Even Truman was wary of taking him on.  Until he wasn't any more, after "God's Right Hand Man" finally went indisputably too far.

MacArthur had wangled for the GOP nomination for president while a serving officer, and he was wangling for it again in 1952 after his relief and 2nd retirement.  I think we are fortunate that he didn't get it either time.  His judgement was not sound.

FDR, when MacArthur was CoS, said that he was the most dangerous man in America.
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« Reply #3662 on: May 09, 2022, 08:32:31 AM »
Dunno why I called him Webb beyond the obvious.

Manstein was a general/FM I thought was at a very high level, though the histories of the Eastern Front may not be entirely reliable.  Guderian got a lot of press with his book (which I read and think is self-aggrandizing, duh) and Rommel of course.  We in the US hear little about Manstein, who might have been able to stabilize the Eastern Front had Hitler left him to it.  The amount of material expended at Kursk by the Germans was enormous.

The what ifs of history are interesting but ultimately mean little, or nothing.

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« Reply #3663 on: May 12, 2022, 03:16:51 PM »
Apropos of nothing at all, the buzz here is that OU and UT go to the SEC in 2024.

I think I remember Utee posting something to that effect 2-3 months ago.

Also, the SEC commissioner has apparently said that there will be a scheduling set-up that involves all teams playing all other teams more frequently than is currently the case in the SEC.

That, to me, says "4-team pods."
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« Reply #3664 on: May 12, 2022, 06:38:35 PM »
Apropos of nothing at all, the buzz here is that OU and UT go to the SEC in 2024.

I think I remember Utee posting something to that effect 2-3 months ago.

Also, the SEC commissioner has apparently said that there will be a scheduling set-up that involves all teams playing all other teams more frequently than is currently the case in the SEC.

That, to me, says "4-team pods."
Nothing like contradicting yourself within a few hours. . . .
Former Sooner LB Teddy Lehman now has a radio show in Oklahoma City that is carried by a station here in Tulsa.
He said that the OU Regents are meeting tomorrow and that facilities upgrades are on the agenda.
He thinks that this implies that OU will not want to move to the SEC early, but to get the improvements completed before the move, on the theory that you only get one chance to make a first impression.
Apparently, one of the improvements under discussion is the long-discussed replacement of the west upper deck and pressbox at Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.  You can't easily tell it from the picture, but the east deck is 2-tiered, with suites in between the tiers. Presumably, the new west deck--whenever it is done--would match that format. and perhaps the north end zone (on the right) eventually could be decked over to match.


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If the name Teddy Lehman doesn't sound familiar, he's the guy who scores the touchdown on this play.

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« Reply #3665 on: May 14, 2022, 02:28:28 PM »
I am retiring from my 2nd career in 2 weeks. I received my equivalent of the gold watch--a wooden apple in a block of Lucite--in a retirement ceremony Wednesday.
Corngrats CWS,haven't stopped over here in a while.Keep moving,a rolling stone gathers no moss.Unless of course you have a good Military History Book in front of you. try Eisenhowers Armies by Nial Barr PHD,if you haven't already.:singing:
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« Reply #3666 on: May 14, 2022, 11:33:04 PM »
Thanks, Mr. Nubbz.

I haven't been able to read a book just for fun in quite awhile.
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« Reply #3667 on: May 14, 2022, 11:34:11 PM »
Congrats to the oSu Cowgirls, who knocked off the #1 Oklahoma Sooners 4-3 today in the Big 12 Tournament championship game.
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