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Re: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.
« Reply #3290 on: February 10, 2022, 02:01:02 PM »


Really nice day here.
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« Reply #3291 on: February 10, 2022, 04:04:16 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 09, 2022, 04:12:29 PM
I still dream of a 1965 Mustang convertible. Perhaps by the time I finally get around to buying one, it'll be easy and inexpensive to retrofit as an electric or hybrid. :) 
Refit it with a crate Windsor 302.  Computer-controlled/EFI.  For $3 thousand or so you can get a very nice powerplant.
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« Reply #3292 on: February 10, 2022, 04:06:13 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 10, 2022, 08:23:03 AM
Frame stiffness in vehicles is a big virtue these days, and car makers design various chassis for various car/truck types and sizes to maximum stiffness and minimize weight.

A battery pack is there and adds, potentially, frame stiffness with little weight penalty if done properly.  This is why cars feel so much tighter today than in 1970, and it's a thing I really notice when I drive an older vehicle, even a restomod.

It's interesting to me how the Chevy EV truck is described as something in between body on frame and unibody.  I'm not sure what that means.
There's a lot you can do to stiffen an old pony-car chassis.  Various sources produce kits for the purpose.
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« Reply #3293 on: February 10, 2022, 04:07:23 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on February 10, 2022, 04:04:16 PM
Refit it with a crate Windsor 302.  Computer-controlled/EFI.  For $3 thousand or so you can get a very nice powerplant.
Yeah but that won't help me re-charge my car whilst cruising along the electrical induction highway.
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« Reply #3294 on: February 10, 2022, 09:33:28 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 10, 2022, 04:07:23 PM
Yeah but that won't help me re-charge my car whilst cruising along the electrical induction highway.
No, it wouldn't do that.
Maybe you need a second car for that.  Not a bizarre incarnation of a Mustang.
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« Reply #3295 on: February 10, 2022, 10:13:08 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on February 10, 2022, 09:33:28 PM
No, it wouldn't do that.
Maybe you need a second car for that.  Not a bizarre incarnation of a Mustang.
Hmmmm, perhaps you're right. ;)
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Re: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.
« Reply #3296 on: February 11, 2022, 08:16:39 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on February 10, 2022, 04:06:13 PM
There's a lot you can do to stiffen an old pony-car chassis.  Various sources produce kits for the purpose.
Money and weight.


It's best if designed into the frame obviously.  My buddy had a 1971 Jag XKE V12, it drove like crap.
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« Reply #3297 on: February 13, 2022, 10:45:21 AM »
In reality if I ever get my long-desired Mustang, it's only going to be used as a fun weekender.  

I'm not much of a speed demon so I don't THINK I'd really need additional frame stiffening or a new crate engine for it, but I'd also like it to be mechanically sound and I'm not sure that's realistic in a near-60-year-old car without replacing a lot of the original bits.

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« Reply #3298 on: February 13, 2022, 10:55:20 AM »
A friend of mine restomoded a 1966 'stang, it looked incredible relative to where he started with it.  He put in a modern 302 and transmission and upgraded the suspension and brakes, and it still drove like crap.  It was fun to be out in on a nice day (not a rag top), but it really didn't drive well at all, in my opinion (and he agreed).

It's also surprising how slow the 60s muscle cars were in comparison in acceleration in most cases.  My other friend's Jag was original, it needed some cosmetics work and he thought the engine wasn't really pulling it's worth but he worked on it a lot.

that said, I think one can have fun with them, just don't expect some great driving experience.
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« Reply #3299 on: February 13, 2022, 11:05:31 AM »
Being in a convertible Mustang on a sunny Austin day, IS a great driving experience. :)

I wouldn't ever be taking it cross country or anything so I'm not overly concerned.  One of my best friends in high school and college had a 66 Mustang coupe that I drove quite a bit, and it was fine for around-town.  

Of course all of this discussion presupposes I ever get one, which is pretty questionable.  Maybe when the kids are out of college in... 2032?
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« Reply #3300 on: February 13, 2022, 11:14:38 AM »
I wish I'd have purchased one of the Vettes I looked at back before crazy inflation

it would be worth a few thousand more today than it was a couple years ago

it's questionable if it will ever happen, not very practicable  or logical
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« Reply #3301 on: February 13, 2022, 11:35:10 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 13, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
A friend of mine restomoded a 1966 'stang, it looked incredible relative to where he started with it.  He put in a modern 302 and transmission and upgraded the suspension and brakes, and it still drove like crap.  It was fun to be out in on a nice day (not a rag top), but it really didn't drive well at all, in my opinion (and he agreed).

It's also surprising how slow the 60s muscle cars were in comparison in acceleration in most cases.  My other friend's Jag was original, it needed some cosmetics work and he thought the engine wasn't really pulling it's worth but he worked on it a lot.

that said, I think one can have fun with them, just don't expect some great driving experience.
The thing that manufacturers can do, that restomodders can't (except with huge inputs of time, work, and expense) is development.  They test, test, test, until they get the right combination of wheel size, tire profile, spring rates, shock settings, steering ratio, etc., etc., etc.  Sometimes, they don't get it quite right, but they nearly always get it better than an individual building his dream car gets it.
20-30 years ago, Korean cars rode and handled like their suspensions were made of two-by-fours.  Probably a lot like your friend's restomod Mustang did.  Then Korean manufacturers learned the development piece, and some of their products are now world-class.
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Re: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.
« Reply #3302 on: February 13, 2022, 11:36:01 AM »
Yeah I coulda/shoulda bought a Mustang 10-15 years ago, prices have skyrocketed since then.
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« Reply #3303 on: February 13, 2022, 12:14:12 PM »
When COVID hit, rental car agencies were fire selling their performance cars, and they had some nice ones.  And yeah, I wish I had stepped in, but it was kind of a scary uncertain time.  Now renting a car costs an arm and a leg.

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